2013 Spitfire

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  • 01-09-2013
    Nescafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cave dweller View Post
    Measured ~328mm with Fox 36 in 140mm setting, spitfire in slackest setting, running Maxxis Minion 2.5 DHF DH casing tires (large volume)

    *Edit* Zero stack headset as well


    Thanks man

    Keith, can you tell me what the bb drop is with the 545 fork.
  • 01-09-2013
    Dlongb13
    Got my frame ordered! CCDB Air (and a Foxctd for local XC stuff) , DT Swiss M1700 650B wheelset, Fox 34 Float 650b dropped to 150, and XTR brakes all standing by! Waiting to decide if I want to go with the XTR drivetrain I have or if I wanna sell it and go XX1.
  • 01-09-2013
    cave dweller
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Thanks man

    Keith, can you tell me what the bb drop is with the 545 fork.

    Sorry, thought I read bb height.

    The drop (difference in bb to ground and rear axle to ground) is measured at ~14mm in slack setting.
  • 01-09-2013
    hiawatha-de
    Does anyone know what company makes an 56mm ID external headset cup?

    I'm gonna run a 150mm RS Revelation and wanted to add some stack height to the lower cups, rather than the zero stack, to keep the BB height proper. So, far all I've seen for the 56mm option is zero stack height. Anyone know?

    Keith you mentioned Banshee was making some headsets. Are the lower cups zero stack only or is there some stack height options?
  • 01-09-2013
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    Does anyone know what company makes an 56mm ID external headset cup?

    I'm gonna run a 150mm RS Revelation and wanted to add some stack height to the lower cups, rather than the zero stack, to keep the BB height proper. So, far all I've seen for the 56mm option is zero stack height. Anyone know?

    Keith you mentioned Banshee was making some headsets. Are the lower cups zero stack only or is there some stack height options?

    I've not seen any 56mm external head set cups. The reason for the big 56 in the first place is to get away from the external cup.

    I'm willing to bet that Works Components might be able to make what your looking for. They make sweet angle sets and can do custom stuff so drop em an e-mail.

    Works Components - Angle Headsets to fit Most Frame Types & CNC Bicycle Components Proudly Made in the UK
  • 01-09-2013
    Dlongb13
    Does the frame come with a headset? I thought I read that it did.
  • 01-09-2013
    MartinS
    Qbert mentioned in the Prime build forum that Cane Creek does an external 56 lower cup for their angleset HS. It is a pricey solution, but it is a solution....
  • 01-09-2013
    MartinS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    Does the frame come with a headset? I thought I read that it did.

    No they don't.
  • 01-09-2013
    Dlongb13
    Thanks.
  • 01-10-2013
    builttoride
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Thanks man

    Keith, can you tell me what the bb drop is with the 545 fork.

    BB drop (If using same rim and tire front and rear):

    -8mm in high position.
    -2mm in neutral position.
    4mm in low position.

    Remember that tire choice will affect BB height almost as much as fork choice.
  • 01-10-2013
    Sov
    What sizes are people ordering? I'm 5'7 and have a medium on order but am second guessing myself a little as I suspect I'm in between sizes.

    I currently have a small '11 Trance with a 70mm stem and measured reach of 395mm = 465mm total. I find it to be a bit short (but this could be a ride feel thing as it has a short wheelbase and steep head angle)

    The medium Spitfire is 428mm reach and I would like to run a 50mm stem = 478mm in total, so a touch longer than the Trance which should be good in theory.

    My V1 Rune was a medium with a 70mm stem and felt great, but with 379mm reach the total = 449mm, so quite a bit shorter than the small Trance and waaaay shorter than the V2 Spitty.

    I guess I am wondering if I should change my order to a small given that the Spitfires tend to run a bit longer than equivalent trail bikes (Blur TRC, SB66, 5 Spot)

    Thoughts anyone? Small or Medium?
  • 01-10-2013
    NoStyle
  • 01-10-2013
    Dlongb13
    The pics are but everything else, specs, geo, ect, are for the old model still.
  • 01-10-2013
    cooldaddy
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NVman View Post
    Hiawatha-de we just received our first shipment of Spitfires yesterday. That is why no one waiting for a Spitfire upgrade has go it yet. We have been really busy with handling people upgrades and have been working on getting people with Runes sorted out first since we had the inventory. Each case takes a fair amount of time since there have been many questions about sizing, drop out options, shocks, people changing colors and sizes at the last minute, etc. Please be patient. You will get taken care of.

    I'm one of those patient people, but it would be nice to get at least a confirmation email that an upgrade request was received. I submitted mine on Dec 17th and have gotten nothing. Makes me wonder if it was really received, regardless of the website stating that the request was submitted successfully...
  • 01-10-2013
    hiawatha-de
    Is the V2 spitfire bottom bracket press-fit or is it external outboard bearings like the V1?
  • 01-10-2013
    builttoride
    External outboard bearing... no creaky hard to change press fit bearings in these bikes.
  • 01-10-2013
    boomforeal
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    just got my L black frame swapped for a red. a few details still to be worked out but its in the queue at trident for to be shipped out - stoked! (for the patient people: if it helps, email chain on this goes back to august 2011...)
  • 01-10-2013
    hiawatha-de
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    External outboard bearing... no creaky hard to change press fit bearings in these bikes.

    Glad to see this standard hasn't changed in the frames.
  • 01-10-2013
    skidad
    What shock is on that frame?
  • 01-10-2013
    MartinS
    Looks like a Manitou, maybe the Radium Pro. Manitou's air shocks are pretty nice, loved both of the ISX-6's Ive owned.
  • 01-10-2013
    Nescafe
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    What shock is on that frame?

    ISX6 off his Rune?
  • 01-10-2013
    bhaithcock
    What are my fork options? Was looking to get the X-Fusion Slant RL2 DLA 27.5, and run it @ 160mm, but got word that it won't be avail till mid year. There's also the 2013 Fox 34 FLOAT 160 CTD, but I would need to choke on the $1,000 price tag. I think I want to keep it @ 160mm. Bilttoride, what are you guys using?
  • 01-10-2013
    boomforeal
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    What shock is on that frame?

    some random manitou i imagine - that's not necessarily my frame, which i don't have yet, just an appetite whetting shot trident sent me during the correspondence
  • 01-10-2013
    MartinS
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bhaithcock View Post
    What are my fork options? Was looking to get the X-Fusion Slant RL2 DLA 27.5, and run it @ 160mm, but got word that it won't be avail till mid year. There's also the 2013 Fox 34 FLOAT 160 CTD, but I would need to choke on the $1,000 price tag. I think I want to keep it @ 160mm. Bilttoride, what are you guys using?

    Are you running 27.5? I've heard that the X-Fusion Velvet's are 27.5 compatible and the price is good.

    ed: I meant the Vengeance, not the Velvet - brainfart...
  • 01-11-2013
    builttoride
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bhaithcock View Post
    What are my fork options? Was looking to get the X-Fusion Slant RL2 DLA 27.5, and run it @ 160mm, but got word that it won't be avail till mid year. There's also the 2013 Fox 34 FLOAT 160 CTD, but I would need to choke on the $1,000 price tag. I think I want to keep it @ 160mm. Bilttoride, what are you guys using?

    I'm running an X-fusion vengeance personally, Jon has a fox 34 27.5, and Dennis runs a 26" fox 34 as seen in the promo vid. It just depends what your priorities are, and how much you want to pay.

    While I've been told the vengeance works with 27.5, I don't think it would work very well in the thick mus we have here. I personally run my spitfire in 26".
  • 01-11-2013
    bhaithcock
    [QUOTE=builttoride;10060159 While I've been told the vengeance works with 27.5, I don't think it would work very well in the thick mus we have here. I personally run my spitfire in 26".[/QUOTE]

    OK, I guess I'm asking this: If Banshee were offering built kits for these bikes, then what fork would Banshee be spec'ing the V2 with, in a 27.5 config?
  • 01-11-2013
    builttoride
    Fox 34 27.5 would probably be what our distributors would ask for.
  • 01-11-2013
    bhaithcock
    10-4, thanks!
  • 01-11-2013
    NoStyle


    For those who have Interest, Bernhard the german Banshee-Distributor gave me some Info about his Spitfire:

    He himself is 174 cm tall, with 78 cm Inseam and rides Sizes Medium. Stem-Length is 60 mm, Bars are 740 mm wide. He would suggest to go with Size Large for those who are 180 cm and taller, while another Rider with my Body-Measurements (181/85 cm) demorode it and felt pretty comfortable on Size Medium ... so should I, hopefully ...

    Weigth is 12,3 kg, BB-Heigth is 32,7 cm with the 150 Fox Float and ZS-Headset, slack Setting.

    His Impressions (in short Terms):
    - Rides great, feels/maneuvers directly
    - Rear-End is very stiff
    - Feels very planted/saturated on the Trail due to the low BB
    - Climbs "like a Goat" due to the steep Seatangle
    - He overall likes the Geometry very very much
    - Rear Suspension feels more than 14 cm Travel
    - Can be setup very plush without bottoming
    - When pedalling seated the Rear is neutral, with open/no Propedal
    - Out of the Saddle the Rear sags more, but not very much bobbing - at least less than other VPP-Designs
    - Can be easily tuned more firm due to the Fox CTD

    Hope it helps a little!

    Greetings
    NoStyle
  • 01-11-2013
    Dlongb13
    Awesome build, mine will be very similar except in 650B mode and with KS LEV dropper. Should be built by the end of the next week. Then it's mini winter vacation time to Pisgah NC.
  • 01-11-2013
    hrdude
    Quote:

    For those who have Interest, Bernhard the german Banshee-Distributor gave me some Info about his Spitfire:

    He himself is 174 cm tall, with 78 cm Inseam and rides Sizes Medium. Stem-Length is 60 mm, Bars are 740 mm wide. He would suggest to go with Size Large for those who are 180 cm and taller, while another Rider with my Body-Measurements (181/85 cm) demorode it and felt pretty comfortable on Size Medium ... so should I, hopefully ...

    Weigth is 12,3 kg, BB-Heigth is 32,7 cm with the 150 Fox Float and ZS-Headset, slack Setting.

    His Impressions (in short Terms):
    - Rides great, feels/maneuvers directly
    - Rear-End is very stiff
    - Feels very planted/saturated on the Trail due to the low BB
    - Climbs "like a Goat" due to the steep Seatangle
    - He overall likes the Geometry very very much
    - Rear Suspension feels more than 14 cm Travel
    - Can be setup very plush without bottoming
    - When pedalling seated the Rear is neutral, with open/no Propedal
    - Out of the Saddle the Rear sags more, but not very much bobbing - at least less than other VPP-Designs
    - Can be easily tuned more firm due to the Fox CTD

    Hope it helps a little!

    Greetings
    NoStyle
    Thanks NoStyle, great info, my order has been placed.
  • 01-11-2013
    hrdude
    Double post
  • 01-11-2013
    skidad
    X2...thanks for getting that info NoStyle. Lots of positives but I especially like the "climbs like a goat" part.

    Now I just need to sell my 2011 Jamis Dakar 650 B2 with less than 250 miles on it before I can order a new Spitty frame. The Dakar is really a sweet bike but I feel the Banshee is more what I'm after.

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  • 01-12-2013
    NoStyle
    If things go well my ordered Parts will hopefully arrive during the next week, so I can start building up mine - and give more Impressions, if wanted. :)

    Greetings
    NoStyle
  • 01-12-2013
    kijan
    - Did Anyone try a 190mm shock in the New Spitfire?
    -is it worth running a db air in that travel range?
  • 01-12-2013
    Dlongb13
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kijan View Post
    - Did Anyone try a 190mm shock in the New Spitfire?
    -is it worth running a db air in that travel range?


    Been using a DB air since they came out and it is totally worth it in any travel range!

    And does anyone have a frame weight yet?
  • 01-12-2013
    kijan
    Did anyone already run a db air in the new spitty?
  • 01-12-2013
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    And does anyone have a frame weight yet?

    Yes, someone please get one of these frames on a scale
  • 01-12-2013
    hrdude
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Yes, someone please get one of these frames on a scale

    Banshee's site has it listed as 5.86 lbs. I'm assuming that's for a medium size but not sure if that includes shock or not.
  • 01-12-2013
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by hrdude View Post
    Banshee's site has it listed as 5.86 lbs. I'm assuming that's for a medium size but not sure if that includes shock or not.


    Those specs are still for the old frame
  • 01-12-2013
    joemosq
    I Just weighed a medium Raw production V2 Spitfire, with the 142 drop outs and axel, derailer hanger, Fox CTD shock, and Banshee seat clamp and the weight was 8.09 lbs.
  • 01-13-2013
    kijan
    Wow a whole lbs heavier than the old one...
  • 01-13-2013
    Dlongb13
    Try 2lb heavier.

    Holy crap. 8lb?!?! That is insane. Probably be a medium black ano for sale by the end of next week.

    When aluminum 160mm bikes are coming in under 7lb, a 140mm trail bike at 8lb is crazy. Sure hope that is wrong.
  • 01-13-2013
    skidad
    Well....the red built up bike pictured above is "supposed" to be 27.1lbs which is a very respectable weight. Add XX1 and you could save maybe another pound. Ok, it doesn't have a dropper post or beefy forks so that would bring it closer to a 30lb weight I suppose. Not having owned a V1 Spitfire I'm not sure if that's good or bad but both my bikes now are around the 30lb mark so I'd be cool with that. Especially knowing the Banshee can take a beating.

    Still a few more frame weight checks would be nice and fully built bikes also. Patience I guess.
  • 01-13-2013
    Dlongb13
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Well....the red built up bike pictured above is "supposed" to be 27.1lbs which is a very respectable weight. Add XX1 and you could save maybe another pound. Ok, it doesn't have a dropper post or beefy forks so that would bring it closer to a 30lb weight I suppose. Not having owned a V1 Spitfire I'm not sure if that's good or bad but both my bikes now are around the 30lb mark so I'd be cool with that. Especially knowing the Banshee can take a beating.

    Still a few more frame weight checks would be nice and fully built bikes also. Patience I guess.

    Yeah the red one is light but like you said, fox 32 and a carbon post. And I am going 1x10 with full XTR b/c it is lighter than XX1. Wish I knew the weight of the wheels on the red one so I could do some math here.

    This is supposed to be my Enduro/Super D race bike, chose it over Carbon Divinci Dixon due to the 650B factor, just hoping I didn't make a bike mistake. I raced on a 30.5 lb Nomad last year and I don't want to be in that range again this year.

    Banshee really needs to update their website, that 5,86 number is incredibly misleading.
  • 01-13-2013
    hrdude
    8.09 :eek: That's slightly more than the Prime weights that have been posted. Was kind of expecting the Spitfire to be at least a pound less.
  • 01-13-2013
    hrdude
    :eek:
  • 01-13-2013
    skidad
    Here's the build list from the red bike. Do some digging and you can figure out some weights. Frame is around 7.5lbs but by a scale I don't know.

    The weight is great, so are the Parts. Here´s an Overview the owner gave me:

    Rear Derailleur, Triggers, Brakes, Chain and Cassette: Shimano XTR
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT
    Fork Fox 32 Float RLC
    Wheelset: DT 240 mit XM450TL Felgen und Messerspeichen
    Handlebars: Syntace Vector Carbon 740mm
    Stem: Syntace F109 60mm
    Headset: Pivot
    Handles: Pivot
    Seatpost: P6 carbon hiflex
    Saddle: Selle Italia SLR
    Tires: Kenda Nevegal
    Tubes: Kenda

    The owner of the red Spitfire stated around 3,4 kg Frameweight with Shock, Dropouts and Seatclamp.
  • 01-13-2013
    Nescafe
    After the bushing issues I guess they are not taking any chances with frame breaking.

    We need a scale shot
  • 01-13-2013
    Dlongb13
    Wonder how many holes I can drill in the frame to shave weight.