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    Hey filbike,
    Well here's my thoughts- certainly not saying what's true for me will be the same for you or anybody else.
    I spent 2010-11 riding a yelli screamy and this season on the prime. Rode both bikes on everything from cascades XC to BC corridor FR trails. So....

    There's a lot of hype about what 29'ers do/don't do well, but I think it's mostly bad info. Basically IMO most all the negatives people associate with 29'ers are due to poor geometry, particularly long wheelbases & chainstays- not the wheelsize. The Yelli was actually more nimble than many 26'ers I've owned. For AM hardtails, I just don't see much point in 650b, since 29'er wheelbase & chainstay lengths aren't necessarily longer than 26". Adding full suspension, longer travel and front derailuers to the mix, and I can see where smaller wheels are easier to design around, without the wheelbase getting too long.

    So the interesting thing to me about the Prime vs. 650b Spitfire, is that the wheelbase lengths are pretty similar (though the spitty does have longer reach). Based on that I don't think the spitty is going to have any huge advantage cornering. On the flipside, I don't see 27.5" wheels having quite the advantages of 29" when it comes to carrying speed or rolling over junk.

    So my .02c, if you were shorter, rode a lot of twisty trails or enjoy jumping, the 650b spitty probably will have some advantages. But if you're willing to manhandle the bike in corners & in the air, the prime will have advantages elsewhere. And really, it's an awesome riding bike. So my vote would be Prime.

    This is all speculation and I would love to ride both bikes back-to-back... but I am pretty sure Id prefer the Prime, personally. I've adjusted my riding style to bigger wheels, there's nothing I miss about 26'ers, so 650b doesn't hold much allure to me.

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    Thanks FM,
    you confirm my thoughts about the Prime, and I agree whit you point to point, at least theorically as I tried a 29er just a few moments in pretty flat land.
    My only concern is about building a lighter bike.

    Spitty frame should be considerably lighter than Prime (around 2 pounds I think) and sure same strenght and stiffness wheels, are lighter:
    Other components will come from my Rune.
    Let's put in that I save money for fork, these should be the points for spitty choice.
    That said, will the 29er advantages overcome my Spitfire points?
    I need to test a 29er seriously.

    ....but you know what? I'm sure whichever I pick I'll be super happy
    both are awesome bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by filbike View Post
    That said, will the 29er advantages overcome my Spitfire points?
    I need to test a 29er seriously.
    I agree you can't really go wrong
    As for the weight- another 29'er myth is that wheels are heavier. due to the shallower angle of the bigger wheels, pinch flats are way less of an issue...and there's more traction so you don't need as much tread. 750g 29'er tires ride like 900g 26" tires. im sure the same is partially true for 650b.

    Test ride would be great but there's not many 29'ers that ride like the Prime.

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    Like many, dyin' to hear some reviews on the Spitty at 27.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Well, 29 er fans like to say there are no drawbacks.
    Did I say that?

    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    So my .02c, if you were shorter, rode a lot of twisty trails or enjoy jumping, the 650b spitty probably will have some advantages. But if you're willing to manhandle the bike in corners & in the air, the prime will have advantages elsewhere.
    Look it's simple as that, if filbike had said he rides a lot of tight flow/jump lines, I would have steered him towards 650b or 26", due to the physics you mentioned. I ride a fair bit of that stuff and 29'ers generally require more manhandling in the air and in tight corners. Again, I feel that's the wheelbase more than the wheelsize, and there's pro's elswhere.

    It's OK to be a "fan" of more than one wheelsize or riding style.
    Horses for courses.

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    Hey filbike,
    Well here's my thoughts- certainly not saying what's true for me will be the same for you or anybody else.

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    Ugh, submitted my claim for the KS upgrade program just before Trident shut down for their Christmas/winter break. At least I got the confirmation e-mail that I qualify. The wait is gonna raise my blood pressure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Sure, agreed!
    I spent sunday riding jump lines & tight slalom-y DH pump trails at the local skills park, on my Prime. It can be done! But it's sort of like trail riding on a FR bike. Overkill and slow at times, compared to a tighter bike (i.e. maybe a 27.5 spitty).

    Just wanted to make it clear that although I really dig the Prime, I wouldn't push it as the ultimate bike for all uses. It excels at long raw high-speed backcountry descents, that's what I enjoy most, for that I'll make some concessions on the manicured skills park trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FullMonty View Post
    Ugh, submitted my claim for the KS upgrade program just before Trident shut down for their Christmas/winter break. At least I got the confirmation e-mail that I qualify. The wait is gonna raise my blood pressure!
    Mmmm I never got any confirmation email whatsoever after I submitted my claim on Dec 17th....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Yeah, Build-Up made by german Distributor Mr. B..
    Steerer will cut down, rear Brake gets longer Cable and a lower external Cup (Fox Talas with "only" 15 cm Travel).



    Edith: Weight is 12,3 kg!
    NoStyle...any chance you can get a ride report from your distributor since this is still the only V2 Spitty I'm aware of built up and about ready to ride.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one chomping at the bit for more info. Rune and Prime are pretty well covered now. Time for the Spitfire (26 or 650 no matter)
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    I can try to get some Riding-Report from Bernhard, the owner of the red Spitfire.
    You can bet that Iīm excited to build up and ride mine, but missing parts with lots of delay keep me patiently on the Wildcard
    All I can do at the moment is buying a scale to give some weigths, thatīs all ...

    But honestly, why hesitate? You can read that the Runes and Primes are doing so damn well - so should the Spitfire. Go buy one, before the third, fourth or fifth Batches are sold out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FullMonty View Post
    Ugh, submitted my claim for the KS upgrade program just before Trident shut down for their Christmas/winter break. At least I got the confirmation e-mail that I qualify. The wait is gonna raise my blood pressure!
    Same here; I received the offer email from Trident on Dec 11th and replied on the 14th, but haven't heard back yet. I just want to get my V2 Spitfire ordered so I can start disassembling my V1 and figuring out what new parts to get.

    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    Mmmm I never got any confirmation email whatsoever after I submitted my claim on Dec 17th....
    It took about 2.5 weeks for me to get a reply, so hang in there.

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    For all of you guys waiting on Email replies from Trident there is one dude handling the whole warranty/upgrade situation. He is swamped.

    Be patient he will get back to you.

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    Thanks for the update! Figured that was the case. Submitted mine Nov 1st and I've been dying. Luckily I got him to follow up that my claim was submitted properly. Here's to a Banshee New Year on a V2

    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    For all of you guys waiting on Email replies from Trident there is one dude handling the whole warranty/upgrade situation. He is swamped.

    Be patient he will get back to you.

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    Anyone besides NoStyle even have a frame yet?

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    I am completely torn between getting a new Spitfire or Rune.
    Hopefully someone can comment and help others on a decision too
    I'm 180cm and have ridden a Medium Rune with 60mm stem for 3 years and its just the best bike i've ever ridden. It just felt perfect the 1st time i sat on it.
    I love the ridding position (although perhaps a little cramped when climbing) but i can effortlessly lift the front when decending over drop offs, manual over rollers and just manouvre the bike in the air without thinking, i really dont wont to lose that ability above all else.
    If i get the spitfire I am just a little concerned it may have that feeling the front just tips away in front of you when going off drops etc. (I bought a new Med Spec Pitch a few years back and quite frankly hated it, i sold it within 5 months and got a second hand SC Bullit and loved that)
    So basically if this V2 spitfire has similar characteristics as the old rune I would love to know.
    I really dont need 160mm travel, i see the new spitfire being more robust than the old rune anyway, and a fraction lighter and more effeceint so I like the idea of heading in that direction?
    Any thoughts anyone?
    PS anyone used the fox 34 160mm? I have heard it tends to brake dive and that is a poor trait that i found with my 36vanR till i converted to RC2. I am considering this if i get the spitfire.
    Any thoughts out there?

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    TokRot, you might consider the Xfusion slant which is about 2/3 the price of a 34 ctd float and is supposed to be available sometime this month. However, I think it only has open/lockout + rebound for damping adjustments.

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    Yea there are a few forks I havnt really considered, I think I will do one thing at a time at this stage so will look at all fork options in future. First the frame and i will use my van36, its been a great fork. I'm just becoming a weight weenie.

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    geometry chart i got somewhere on the v2 spitfire lists a 2.25" stroke shock - but in the vital piece john says the new frames use a 2.5" stroke shock. which is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    geometry chart i got somewhere on the v2 spitfire lists a 2.25" stroke shock - but in the vital piece john says the new frames use a 2.5" stroke shock. which is it?
    Its a 7.875 x 2.25" shock - my mistake in the Vital slideshow

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeJon View Post
    Its a 7.875 x 2.25" shock - my mistake in the Vital slideshow
    ah thanks john. you didn't sound positive in the slideshow, is why i figured it was worth asking

    new bike looks rad btw. dying to see one (mine?!) in black

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    Have we gotten any official frame weights on the new Spitty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BansheeJon View Post
    Its a 7.875 x 2.25" shock - my mistake in the Vital slideshow
    Whew! This is the info I can here looking for. I was worried it was a custom size shock and the CCDB air I have to put on it wouldn't fit...but it will. Now time to buy some XX1.

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    I'm gonna get one of these, maybe, but I want the SRAM XX1 crankset. Will this be possible? if so, what BB should I be looking at(GXP?) and what Q-factor(156?)?

    gracias, in advance...

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    So I have read the entire thread and any other info I could find on this bike and I still have some questions with sizing. I have been riding a large 2012 Nomad for the past season, I initially started off with a medium but found the top tube to be to short, and traded it out for a large. I am 5' 10.5" and I always find trouble finding a bike that fits me properly. The large nomad was great when riding DH and high speed situations, but didn't have the playfulness I have found when riding medium sized bikes. I have also ridden a 18.5 2012 Trek Remedy, which is actually a 17.5, and found it to fit me pretty well expect again, kinda shot top tube.

    So after reading this thread it sounds like the medium has a longer than average top tube and reach so the medium should be good for me.

    To add, I have shorter legs, 31inch inseam, but long torso and arms.

    Also wondering which XT front mech people are running. Is it the E2-type or the direct mount? I am thinking it is the E2? Shimano FD-M785-E2 to be exact.

    Thanks for any help.
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    Can any of the Banshee reps. tell us when the next batch of V2 Spitfires will be available? I believe Trident received the first production batch and all are spoken for which means there currently no V2 models available. So when can we expect another production batch to hit the North American market? Any estimates on how long it takes to get the V2 Spitfires made and shipped out?

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    Out of stock already? I was waiting for them to arrive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    Can any of the Banshee reps. tell us when the next batch of V2 Spitfires will be available? I believe Trident received the first production batch and all are spoken for which means there currently no V2 models available. So when can we expect another production batch to hit the North American market? Any estimates on how long it takes to get the V2 Spitfires made and shipped out?
    Pretty much mirrors what my dealer told me the other day. Not many left and if I wanted a black one it would be Feb. some time I think is what he said. WOW, and only 1 very brief ride review so far. Wonder if most of these 1st batch of frames went to the trade in program guys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Pretty much mirrors what my dealer told me the other day. Not many left and if I wanted a black one it would be Feb. some time I think is what he said. WOW, and only 1 very brief ride review so far. Wonder if most of these 1st batch of frames went to the trade in program guys?
    I am one of the upgrade guys and have not been given any kind of priority by any means. In fact, communicating with the guy at Trident Sports is difficult at best. I'm sure it's on a first come first serve basis in terms of getting a V2 frame. That's why I'm hoping the Banshee guys will chime in and give us an idea how long is turn around time for a new and fresh batch of frames coming from Taiwan? Anybody?

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    Well I hope they can chime in as I have a decision to make soon....but if you can wait till after July blue will be an available color.
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    If it's July then I'll be forced to ride another brand. I've never understood why bike manuf's don't have their product ready & available by Feb. for the spring riding season.
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    No it wont be anything near July I'm sure for more frames to show up. I inquired about the blue color like the Rune and was told that will be an option after a July build.

    Norco is almost sold out of their new 650B Sight and Scott is sold out of the new 700 Genius models with neither brand in showrooms yet.
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    Got mine!

    OK I picked up my new large raw frame on Saturday and built it up in a couple of hours.
    I loved my old V1 spitfire so this bike had a lot to live up to. I had my first ride yesterday and WOW! this new frame is like the old spitty on steroids! It climbs better, rides better and downhill with the fox CTD in descend mode is even better than the old version. Although its meant to weigh approx 100 grams more it actually feels lighter to me. No I don't weigh my bikes as I build them heavy anyway. Feel free to ask me any questions!
    Current build:
    Large Raw Spitfire V2
    Fox 36 Talas - running banshee zero stack headset
    Hope pro evo 2 hubs and ZTR flow rims (26")
    SLX cranks with race face chainring and bash
    XTR shifters and shadow plus rear mech
    KS dropper
    Hope M4 brakes
    Hope 50mm stem
    Race face atlas 760mm bars
    No front mech yet as the E-typr is hard to find in Malaysia....hopefully one arriving tomorrow.

    The only negative point so far is that I could not fit my Blackspire stinger as it clashed with the rear triangle. I could cut a bit of the backplate out but with the shadow+ rear mech I don't think i'll be needing it now.

    For the future I'm considering 650b and XX1.....but i'm just going to enjoy it for now!

    PS I gave up trying to attach pics....why is it so hard?

    Cheers

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    The next batch of spitfires will be shipping very soon, so should be in shops in Feb.

    Shimano Etype is same as E2 (the 2 just refers to 2x10 I believe). The FD M785-E2 is one of the few shimano front derailleurs that we recommend for this bike. Overall the SRAM S3 low diretc mount derailleurs offer much more clearance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrdude View Post
    If it's July then I'll be on another brand. I have never understood why bike manuf's don't have their product ready & available by Jan-Feb. for the spring riding season.
    The first mentioned availability of the V2 Runes from Banshee was December! The first mentioned availability of the V2 Spitfires was January. So everything is just in Timetable, as we are talking about 2013er Bikes!!! Only a very few Customers had the Chance to get their Frames earlier, maybe due to very first placed Order, or Upgrade-Programm or Loyalty to the Brand for Years.
    Itīs Business as usual that fresh new Parts, proudly presented at Euro/Interbike, are available Weeks or even Months later ...

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    Hi from Trident. I figured I would clarify what availability is like for Spitfire V2's in North America. Select colors are sold out from the first shipment of Spitfires to North America but we do have some available now. I would get your dealer to inquire as to what we have that can ship right away, I'm pretty sure we have something in nearly every size available.

    We are seeing very high demand at the moment for Spitfire V2's between upgrades and shop orders. We have increased our orders with Banshee to keep up with demand. We have more coming in late February and then early April just in time for Spring time riding. If you are super keen to get one asap the I highly recommend placing an order asap with your local shop or one of our dealers. Otherwise if you wait for them to arrive to place your order you can run the risk of them being sold out or not getting your first color choice.

    Hope this helps to clarify things with availability.

    Please keep in mind I do not spend a lot of time on MTBR so if you send me a message or ask me a question it may take some time for me to respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVman View Post
    Hi from Trident. I figured I would clarify what availability is like for Spitfire V2's in North America. Select colors are sold out from the first shipment of Spitfires to North America but we do have some available now. I would get your dealer to inquire as to what we have that can ship right away, I'm pretty sure we have something in nearly every size available.

    We are seeing very high demand at the moment for Spitfire V2's between upgrades and shop orders. We have increased our orders with Banshee to keep up with demand. We have more coming in late February and then early April just in time for Spring time riding. If you are super keen to get one asap the I highly recommend placing an order asap with your local shop or one of our dealers. Otherwise if you wait for them to arrive to place your order you can run the risk of them being sold out or not getting your first color choice.

    Hope this helps to clarify things with availability.

    Please keep in mind I do not spend a lot of time on MTBR so if you send me a message or ask me a question it may take some time for me to respond.
    Trident,
    Well the guy who is handling upgrades for your business must be extremely busy because there are several riders still awaiting warranty replacements that have yet to be addressed. If Trident is saying V2 spitfire frames are still available then why are there still warranty claims for the spitfire pending? Myself included. Can you give" that guy" some help?

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    Hiawatha-de we just received our first shipment of Spitfires yesterday. That is why no one waiting for a Spitfire upgrade has go it yet. We have been really busy with handling people upgrades and have been working on getting people with Runes sorted out first since we had the inventory. Each case takes a fair amount of time since there have been many questions about sizing, drop out options, shocks, people changing colors and sizes at the last minute, etc. Please be patient. You will get taken care of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The next batch of spitfires will be shipping very soon, so should be in shops in Feb.

    Shimano Etype is same as E2 (the 2 just refers to 2x10 I believe). The FD M785-E2 is one of the few shimano front derailleurs that we recommend for this bike. Overall the SRAM S3 low diretc mount derailleurs offer much more clearance.
    Just a BTW to those figuring out front derailleur choices, I ran the X9 S3 front derailleur on my Prime and had no issues at all. It worked great and had lots of clearance - highly recommended (and I personally am not a SRAM fan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVman View Post
    Hiawatha-de we just received our first shipment of Spitfires yesterday. That is why no one waiting for a Spitfire upgrade has go it yet. We have been really busy with handling people upgrades and have been working on getting people with Runes sorted out first since we had the inventory. Each case takes a fair amount of time since there have been many questions about sizing, drop out options, shocks, people changing colors and sizes at the last minute, etc. Please be patient. You will get taken care of.
    No worries! I wasn't hating, but just trying to get a little info on what the status was in terms of availability.

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    Hey NoStyle, do you know what the BB height is on the red bike with that 150mm Float? I was looking at the geo table which is based on 545mm a2c and therefore assume it must be pretty low??

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    The bb height has me a little concerned as well as I will be winding down my lyric to 140 or so for xc.

    Can someone tell me the bb drop with the 545 fork in the mid setting, it is not listed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Can someone tell me the bb drop with the 545 fork in the mid setting, it is not listed.
    it is here:
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    @ Barbs,

    I have already contacted the owner. Letīs wait and see what he has to tell about how it rides and your requested bb height.
    Itīs really a damn bit annoying having a Frame for a month now and still waiting for Parts to arrive, knowing all you Guys are hungry for some Impressions ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Shimano Etype is same as E2 (the 2 just refers to 2x10 I believe). The FD M785-E2 is one of the few shimano front derailleurs that we recommend for this bike. Overall the SRAM S3 low diretc mount derailleurs offer much more clearance.
    the M785-E2 is Dyna-sys 10 spd, this will work ok with an older 2x9 spd set-up? and do SRAM S3 front deraileurs work with older 2x9 shimano xtr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    the M785-E2 is Dyna-sys 10 spd, this will work ok with an older 2x9 spd set-up? and do SRAM S3 front deraileurs work with older 2x9 shimano xtr?
    No problems on my bike. Shifts up and down

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    it is here:
    I see the height but how do I covert that to bb drop. Sorry if this is a stupid question.

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    put a fork on your frame, grab a ruler and/or do some trig?
    or pm/email keith

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    put a fork on your frame, grab a ruler and/or do some trig?
    or pm/email keith
    Thanks, but I like to ask before I get the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    The bb height has me a little concerned as well as I will be winding down my lyric to 140 or so for xc.

    Can someone tell me the bb drop with the 545 fork in the mid setting, it is not listed.
    Measured ~328mm with Fox 36 in 140mm setting, spitfire in slackest setting, running Maxxis Minion 2.5 DHF DH casing tires (large volume)

    *Edit* Zero stack headset as well

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