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    Nice!
    Unfortunately I can´t travel my BOS Deville from 160 to 150mm. If I could I would go with a -1 or -1,5 deg angleset as well. So far keeping it with -0,5 or -1 deg ...

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    Why are you guys going with shorter forks and angle sets? #ignorant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    Why are you guys going with shorter forks and angle sets? #ignorant
    Lower BB, longer reach, longer wheelbase, steeper seat angle, slacker head angle. Apart from the slacker head angle, the changes are just like on the 2016 version. I'm also running 26" dropouts with 27.5" wheels for shorter chainstays.

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    Very nice! That sounds like a great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threehats View Post
    Lower BB, longer reach, longer wheelbase, steeper seat angle, slacker head angle. Apart from the slacker head angle, the changes are just like on the 2016 version. I'm also running 26" dropouts with 27.5" wheels for shorter chainstays.
    Aiiiiight Sir - so do I.
    Plus: It´s not about the quantity of travel, but the quality of it.

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    Just finished upgrading my Spitfire.

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    Whats the frame weight on a 2016 spitfire now?

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    Love this bike.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kazlx View Post
    Love this bike.

    Hi, what tune do you run on your rear shock?

    My DbInline is crap (hooping for warranty, but do not look good), looking to replace, but CCDB Air is quite expensive, the RS RC3 seems more affordable

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroll View Post
    Hi, what tune do you run on your rear shock?

    My DbInline is crap (hooping for warranty, but do not look good), looking to replace, but CCDB Air is quite expensive, the RS RC3 seems more affordable
    You need a M/L tune for the spitty. But without debonair can, i had a DA M/L tune and it felt much too slow and unsensitiv and gone too fast through its travel. So i filled the aircan with spacers and the shock was more crappy than before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrewslice View Post
    You need a M/L tune for the spitty. But without debonair can, i had a DA M/L tune and it felt much too slow and unsensitiv and gone too fast through its travel. So i filled the aircan with spacers and the shock was more crappy than before
    Thanks for the info.
    We are talking about this one, just to be sure https://www.sram.com/rockshox/products/monarch-plus-rc3
    I have not, so far, found it without debonair (is it really an option?) and all I see has M/M.

    To add another question, is CCDB Air worth the money? And is it that much better and more reliable then DbInline, I kind of lost my trust for CC there.

    In the meantime I run with a RS Monarch R HV :-D
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    has anyone ridden a spitfire and a Transition scout? how do they compare? I currently have a Scout but I want to change it to possibly get a new spitfire. I really like how playfull and agile the scout feels but want something a little more forgiving on bigger hits. Thanks.

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    Hi,

    How do I calculate spring rate?
    Anything more needed for selecting a spring?
    I'm about 80 kg without gear
    Bike: Spitfire
    Is Rockshox and Cane Creek calculated in the same way?

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    Spring Calculator - TF Tuned

    This spring calculator gives a pretty accurate starting point... as far as this calculator is concerned you can consider the KS link to be close to 'single pivot / DW'. Make sure you use weight as you wuld be when riding with gear on + pack etc. I'd guess a 450lbs spring was a good starting point for RS, 400 for cane creek. I would definitely advise testing a cheap steel spring to get weight right before considering investing in a lighter option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroll View Post
    To add another question, is CCDB Air worth the money? And is it that much better and more reliable then DbInline, I kind of lost my trust for CC there.
    I use the CCDBA on my DH and AM bikes. Do the recommended annual maintenance and they'll last for years. I have seen a few issues with the DBInline among the local crew, but the CCDBA looks to be pretty bombproof.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Spring Calculator - TF Tuned

    This spring calculator gives a pretty accurate starting point... as far as this calculator is concerned you can consider the KS link to be close to 'single pivot / DW'. Make sure you use weight as you wuld be when riding with gear on + pack etc. I'd guess a 450lbs spring was a good starting point for RS, 400 for cane creek. I would definitely advise testing a cheap steel spring to get weight right before considering investing in a lighter option.
    Thanks a lot for quick response!
    Any serious concerns against RS vivid compared to CCDB, coil versions?

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    Finally "done" with the Spitfire. Weighs in at 30.5lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Spring Calculator - TF Tuned

    This spring calculator gives a pretty accurate starting point... as far as this calculator is concerned you can consider the KS link to be close to 'single pivot / DW'. Make sure you use weight as you wuld be when riding with gear on + pack etc. I'd guess a 450lbs spring was a good starting point for RS, 400 for cane creek. I would definitely advise testing a cheap steel spring to get weight right before considering investing in a lighter option.
    Additional question.
    For Spitfire it is medium rebound, low compression, is that for all RS shocks?
    That is both for Vivid R2C and Monarch RC3.
    And is so, I can not find a retailer that stocks that for 200/57, in Europe, any suggestions?

    Edit: aftermarket tune is apparently MM, but can be altered but bike shop.
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    New '16 frame. Thanks Dirt Merchant.

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    I went this morning for a small, 20 km, ride over the clouds. Apart from a rear tyre which lost some air on a rock strike and slowed me a bit...

    The Spitfire is a so great trail bike, no matter what you ride, it's at home !

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    4500km on my Spitfire frame now. Still going strong and just finished a week of riding in Pisgah, North Carolina.





    The only thing I'm not keen on is the rear shock. But meh, it feels good once you start getting the speed up in the rough stuff.

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    Only 2'500 in mine so far, but also not so keen on my rear shock (CCDB air), which is lacking a platform I think.

    For the rest, it's just an awesome bike, the best I've ever owned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    Only 2'500 in mine so far, but also not so keen on my rear shock (CCDB air), which is lacking a platform I think.

    For the rest, it's just an awesome bike, the best I've ever owned.

    Lets trade. haha

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    4 years old, still cleans up nicely.
    Installed new bearings, serviced shock and fork, tires, some purple bling = feels like a new bike :thumbs:

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    4 years old, still cleans up nicely.
    Installed new bearings, serviced shock and fork, tires, some purple bling = feels like a new bike :thumbs:

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    Question:
    If given the option to run either CCDB Air CS or DB Coil IL CS, what's the best pick for trail riding? Not XC but still not DH, more like Swedish Enduro, that is a bit of all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroll View Post
    Question:
    If given the option to run either CCDB Air CS or DB Coil IL CS, what's the best pick for trail riding? Not XC but still not DH, more like Swedish Enduro, that is a bit of all.
    I have ridden both. Replaced the DB Air CS after a year with a DB Coil Inline. My only regret is not doing it sooner!!! Man the coil just runs so nice on a Spitfire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CastorTroll View Post
    Question:
    If given the option to run either CCDB Air CS or DB Coil IL CS, what's the best pick for trail riding? Not XC but still not DH, more like Swedish Enduro, that is a bit of all.
    Ignoring the brand/model of shock involved for a minute; just considering air vs coil on a bike like the Spitfire -

    - Ideally you have an overall suspension rate that is supple at the beginning stroke, ramps up to provide mid-stroke support, and ramps up more to provide bottom-out protection. You'd like the increase in support to feel as linear as possible when riding; humans are pretty sensitive to rate changes.

    - Coil springs increase in force in a linear fashion, for a 500lb/in spring every inch it's compressed it's force increases 500lbs.

    - Air springs increase in force in a non-linear fashion, generally the force is high at the beginning of travel, then both falls and then increases over the mid-stroke followed by a large increase at end stroke.

    - If you want the ideal suspension rate with an air-shock you design a linkage that negates those large changes in rates. The Spitfire does that, that's why air shocks feel really good on it. However a coil spring doesn't negate the rate changes. What you wind up getting is a suspension that is really supple at the beginning stroke, has a lot of mid-stroke support, and not as much end-stroke support. The last point is something you have to deal with to prevent harsh bottoming, usually by increasing the spring rate, which also increases that mid-stroke support even more. Whether or not you're good with that is up to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djjohnr View Post
    Ignoring the brand/model of shock involved for a minute; just considering air vs coil on a bike like the Spitfire -

    - Ideally you have an overall suspension rate that is supple at the beginning stroke, ramps up to provide mid-stroke support, and ramps up more to provide bottom-out protection. You'd like the increase in support to feel as linear as possible when riding; humans are pretty sensitive to rate changes.

    - Coil springs increase in force in a linear fashion, for a 500lb/in spring every inch it's compressed it's force increases 500lbs.

    - Air springs increase in force in a non-linear fashion, generally the force is high at the beginning of travel, then both falls and then increases over the mid-stroke followed by a large increase at end stroke.

    - If you want the ideal suspension rate with an air-shock you design a linkage that negates those large changes in rates. The Spitfire does that, that's why air shocks feel really good on it. However a coil spring doesn't negate the rate changes. What you wind up getting is a suspension that is really supple at the beginning stroke, has a lot of mid-stroke support, and not as much end-stroke support. The last point is something you have to deal with to prevent harsh bottoming, usually by increasing the spring rate, which also increases that mid-stroke support even more. Whether or not you're good with that is up to you.
    Really good info, cannot say I know that much about shocks, hence my question here. Your reasoning sounds sound, I'll do some reading about it. And thanks for taking the time to elaborate the matter.

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    FYI. Running 2.6 Rocket Ron on Flow MK3 and there is plenty of room in the rear. No review yet since haven't taken it out.



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    hello

    I have a Devinci Dixon 2011 frame and I wanna buy a Spitfire 2017 to replace it.

    Do you know if the spity is heavier than dixon?

    Thanks!

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    Hi, i am looking at a spitfire, or a transition scout. Which is the better climber and would be the better choice for big climbs and long days out. thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by froutts View Post
    Hi, i am looking at a spitfire, or a transition scout. Which is the better climber and would be the better choice for big climbs and long days out. thanks
    May be this will help you:

    Banshee Spitfire vs Transition Scout « Singletrack Forum

    Banshee Spitfire vs Transition Scout « Singletrack Forum

    It seems that Spitfire is better climber than Scout (KS >FSR), but for long days you will need to mount it with no-heavy components in order to contain the total weight of the bike.

    Remember that the anodized frame is 150-200 gr lighter than the raw one.

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    Are you sure the anodized frame is lighter than the raw frame ? The anodization don't destroy any material. This is just an oxidation of a thin layer on the surface. A raw frame and a anodized frame are lighter than painted frames for sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    Are you sure the anodized frame is lighter than the raw frame ?
    The designer wrote that in this forum, I will try to find those words

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The raws are around 200g heavier than the ano frames.
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    The raw is the heaviest (slightly) due to 2 clearcoat layers...
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    Ok, if they are clearcoated then it's normal ;-)


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    Some Spitfire fun. Yes that log is hanging by its own wedge in my wheel. Caught it mid air in a whip. Once in a lifetime wreck. Rode 20 miles after this. Only casualty was a single broken spoke/nipple.


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