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    Good advice from CoolDaddy, I'll add hopefully something helpful...

    I'm 6'2.25", 35.25" inseam and I ride a Large Phantom (it's Reach is 5mm shorter than the L Spitfire) and I run a 65mm stem and 785mm bar, have arms that match my inseam, I also own a Prime XL with a 474mm Reach and I used to run it with the same bar/stem combo as I have on the L Phantom, it always felt hard to control on the faster stuff, but short stems and wide bars were still fairly new to me and I thought I was "short enough" with the 65mm.

    2 years after getting the Prime I got the Large Phantom for something a bit more "XC" with the intent to go with a 75mm stem, which I rode for a bit, but ultimately went down to the 65mm and it's been great. I've accumulated enough parts so rebuilt the Prime, this time with a 40mm stem and voila, my high speed problems were gone and handling in tight stuff was much easier, actually, honestly I had no more trouble than on the L Phantom, I cleared every tight spot on my fav trail I know like the back of my hand, no problems, actually the longer WB made it easier to stall the bike when I needed in the tight stuff and readjust and move again.

    I'd say if you want to run a really short stem, go for the XL, you should prob end up on a 35-40mm with a 785mm bar, unless you're very flexible, then maybe a 50mm and if you go with the Large you'll end up on a 60-70mm stem, so think on that. Also will note I like to be about 2.5-3cm behind KOPS, so use a setback post with the steep STAs of the Phantom and Prime, if you happen to pedal closer to KOPS, most definitely look at the XL as your cockpit will definitely be shorter on a straight post - my only gripe with both frames is the super steep STA.

    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    What do you guys think is the height requirement for an extra large? It seems bikes are getting much longer these days. Bikes like the 5010 and the Troy now have longer top tubes then a large Spitfire. It seems I've seen all different heights riding large and extra large Spitfires on here. I'm a hair under 6'2" with no shoes and am wondering if I should look at an extra large. Also have a 34" inseam for pants and weigh around 250lbs. Which size should I be looking at?
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    Plenty of room; I run a 125 KS Lev, with over an inch seat post extension still visible so I could run a 150 dropper if I wanted. Btw I measure 28.5" from center bb to seat rail with seat post fully extended on my set-up.

    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Does the longer seat tube on the xl still leave you with enough room for a dropper post? Can you still get behind the seat without much trouble.

    I'll look at the Rune too.

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    Well I jumped in and now own a Spitfire from the Jenson specials. I went for the XL and can't wait for it to arrive to check the sizing. They even threw in a KS Lev to sweeten the deal. Always wanted a Banshee.

    I see some people are running 650b wheels in 26" dropouts. Any more opinions on this? Can you really tell that much of a difference with the shorter chain stays? Anyone know if a nobby nic will fit in the 26" dropouts. It's an upgrade I'd consider.

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    From my experience 10mm longer or shorter chain-stays make for a noticeable difference, same as a 10mm higher or lower bb.
    I´m running 650b wheels in the 26" dropouts. Did some experimentation from the start with both dropouts and liked the nimble and playful feel of the shorter dropouts more, so I kept it this way. But tire-clearance is then limited to max. 2.3.

    Best thing to do is: Get both and find out for yourself if you like the short stays, as longer chain-stays can have some advantages when it comes to very steep climbings or high-speed-stability in gnarly terrain. Plus you´re flexible with tire-sizings like 26+ or B+ ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by richulr View Post
    Well I jumped in and now own a Spitfire from the Jenson specials. I went for the XL and can't wait for it to arrive to check the sizing. They even threw in a KS Lev to sweeten the deal. Always wanted a Banshee.

    I see some people are running 650b wheels in 26" dropouts. Any more opinions on this? Can you really tell that much of a difference with the shorter chain stays? Anyone know if a nobby nic will fit in the 26" dropouts. It's an upgrade I'd consider.
    Nice! Post up some photos when you get it. I've been considering the complete XL Spitfire from Jenson as well, at 6'1" I owned a large V2 Rune and it fit slightly on the small side for me. Fantastic price on Jenson, almost worth the gamble on size. How did you get them to throw in a dropper?

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    Re: 650b versus 26" dropouts.
    I started with running the 26" dropouts when I converted to 650b wheels, now I'm using 650b dropouts. I prefer them as the bike seems to climb a little easier (more leverage and less front wheel wandering), tall riders might benefit from this more than shorter ones. Didn't feel the bike is less nimble and wheelies are still easy on this bike (although I've never been any good at those in general).

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    When I placed my order there was no picture on the site. I ordered the anodized black 2014 Spitfire .The next day I go online to check something on the specs, and now there is a picture but it's the black and white. I called to ask which I was getting . They said the black and white. I said I ordered the 2014 black which should be the black on black. I really wanted that color and the 2013 model won't work for me since it doesn't have stealth routing like the 14, and I need to put my reverb on it. They did some checking and saw they made a mistake in how they had it listed .They threw in the dropper post to make up for it.

    Amazing customer service from Jenson. They really made up for the mistake. I will definitely send more business to these guys .

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    I thought about going with the Prime, but the shock and fork are better on the Spitfire, and the Prime is about $250 more. And I like the black more than the raw . I think I'll be happy with the Spitfire.

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    If it ever dies I'll get a V3 but damn what a fun bike!!!!


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    Has anyone used Silk Graphics decals on your Spitfire. I searched but didn't find much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hangtime View Post
    Has anyone used Silk Graphics decals on your Spitfire. I searched but didn't find much.
    I've got the Slik Graphics package, but decided to use it to highlight graphics a bit, rather than completely replace them.
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    That Spitfire life. What and awesome bike.


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    Got a new shock last week... ooooh baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupervillainX View Post
    Got a new shock last week... ooooh baby!
    !!!!!!!!!!!

    You know we need a ride report. CS version? Looks awesome man.






    Seriously....that ride report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    !!!!!!!!!!!

    You know we need a ride report. CS version? Looks awesome man.






    Seriously....that ride report?
    Yup CS. I don't think the standard one comes in 200x57? Anyway...

    Shock feels great. But I can't give an accurate review yet as I'm still tuning.

    Got a shuttle day to attend tomorrow, so I'll be fiddling then! I set it to the base tune of the Air CS with a tad more HSC, since the coil is linear, vs. the progressive nature of an air shock.

    Pops off stuff beautifully, feels super plush. My only gripe was that it's a bit chattery through rock gardens. I read I should knock the LSR down a tad, so I'll try that first.

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    To any of you running a bos kirk rear shock on your spitfire. What tune do you have? Is it KI03 or KI04?
    Do any of you know what is the difference? Does the 04 have more compression and/or rebound or is it the other way around?


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    time for some winter maintenance

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    Thought I should contribute to the bike porn.

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    18mnths later still loving this bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by algian View Post
    To any of you running a bos kirk rear shock on your spitfire. What tune do you have? Is it KI03 or KI04?
    Do any of you know what is the difference? Does the 04 have more compression and/or rebound or is it the other way around?


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    This is just an update for anyone that is interested in trying BOS kirk rear shock.

    I have had a reply from Jungle products in the uk and also Mad elk cycles in Ireland.
    They both confirmed that KI04 is a firmer tune (compared to KI03).
    KI03 is M rebound M compression
    KI04 is H rebound M compression

    I am running a shock with KI03 and the rebound tune is more than ok for my weight (75kg without gear).

    By the way Kirk is much better than ccdb cs. Huge improvement in small bump compliance and no spikes! Very happy with the change. And 180gr lighter.
    Highly recommended

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    Going on a year in April with this thing. No intentions of changing directions any time soon!


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    Looking to improve my Banshee for trail riding. What is trail riding here in Switzerland ? I think, and hope, this is exactly the same as everywhere in the world, ride up, ride down, ride up, ride down, ride .... everywhere having fun and maintaining or improving fitness.

    My Spitfire is a 2013 model. Or 2014, I'm not sure and it doesn't matter. It is now equipped with a CCDB air (not CS). And if my build is not the lightest, and like all Banshee riders i'm not a weight weenie, i'd like to make a gain in weight and pedaling efficiency. So my question, what do you have for a shock ? I'm thinking of a CCDB Inline CS, but what's about the Monarch. A guy from Banshee told me that I need to fin a low compression, middle rebound.

    Help !

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    If you are a fan of the DBair, then I think the inline CS would be a great upgrade for you, drops a chunk of weight (although not lightest shock on the market) gives CS feature which I think is great, and keeps all adjustibility you are used to.

    However, if you don't use all the damping adjustents, then it is worth considering a simpler shock like the monarch which would save more weight, as long as you get the right base tune.
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    I'm very happy with my CCDB and I love this adjustability. And secondly it is very very difficult to find an RS Monarch with the correct tune, which is low compression, medium rebound (if you can confirm?).

    So I will maybe go for the CCDB Inline CS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    I'm very happy with my CCDB and I love this adjustability. And secondly it is very very difficult to find an RS Monarch with the correct tune, which is low compression, medium rebound (if you can confirm?).

    So I will maybe go for the CCDB Inline CS.

    Here a pic of my loved Spitty :

    That's a beautiful bike!!! Always loved the red. FWIW, I've had a DB inline for about a year on my 2015 Spitty and won't be changing anytime soon. Love it.

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    Thanks. At this time of the year, here in Switzerland, I'm enjoying some xc'ish riding. Because from home I can see the snow on the hills. By night, searching for some to short single tracks.

    I'll go with the CCDB Inline CS. First because I miss a CS or platform, second because I will save some weight.

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    2013 Spitfire

    I'm wondering now if I should hangs my frame for a longer one. I'm 1.70 in meters. Mine is a 2014 in S size. As you can see in the picture posted a few days ago, my saddle is very high. It's almost at the limit of insertion.. I choose a small because I had some upper back/neck/shoulder problems. I'm feeling far better now and feel a little bit on the short side. Maybe one factor is also at I'm riding more XC-stuff in the last months. Sunday it was 50km for 900m +/- and a lot of easy roads, fire roads, nothing very technical.
    Do we already know something about the next year Banshee bikes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    I'm very happy with my CCDB and I love this adjustability. And secondly it is very very difficult to find an RS Monarch with the correct tune, which is low compression, medium rebound (if you can confirm?).

    So I will maybe go for the CCDB Inline CS.

    Here a pic of my loved Spitty :

    To confirm the shock tune that we spec on the spitfire is:
    200x57 RT3 M L S 320 HV This tune should fit the average weight banshee rider well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lithified View Post
    That's a beautiful bike!!! Always loved the red. FWIW, I've had a DB inline for about a year on my 2015 Spitty and won't be changing anytime soon. Love it.
    Eating my words here. Had my inline sh!t the bed and Cane Creek hooked me up with a great deal on a DBAir CS. 3 rides in, a bit of fine tuning and holy moly the thing is dialed. Love it!!!!! Many steps above my Inline. Opens up the Spitty, man what a great bike!!!!

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    Guys,

    Anyone had real experience with both 2014-15 and 2016 Spitfires? Are the geo changes noticeable at all in 650b mode?

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    My spitty just got treated to some pikes! Looks much better than with the white x-fusion sweeps it used to have on there. Loving the stealth look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thedrizzle View Post


    My spitty just got treated to some pikes! Looks much better than with the white x-fusion sweeps it used to have on there. Loving the stealth look.
    Looks familiar this one..

    Just wanted to bump my post count past yours.

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    I forgot to post a pic' of mine with the new 27.5 wheels here!


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    Keith, what are our chances of possible running the new metric shocks on the old 2014-2015 spitfires? i was on the market for a frame change to the rune but this new standard kind of put me on hold, also what is the chances of actually having a usable bottle cage mount on the new spitfires for us riders in the tropics,

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuman View Post
    Keith, what are our chances of possible running the new metric shocks on the old 2014-2015 spitfires? i was on the market for a frame change to the rune but this new standard kind of put me on hold, also what is the chances of actually having a usable bottle cage mount on the new spitfires for us riders in the tropics,
    No chance I'm afraid... the metric shock bodies are WAY longer than the standard shocks so you would end up with very steep angles and high BB's if you even managed to fit one in a frame, which is highly doubtful.
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    That's a pity!
    I'll just have to wait on Christmas day for your redesigned spitty then,
    the spitty being the perfect one bike for most of my local trail riding but was really considering getting the rune in the hopes that it will give me the boost to ride more real downhill tracks, with the plan to swap out the shocks when the metric ones comes out.
    any way thanks for answering my inquiry.
    you don't have to reply to this, as i know you are very busy redesigning my next banshee bike!

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    My 2013 Spitfire with some 2016 upgrades

    Custom wheelset with Hadley Hubs and LB AM728 carbon rims
    Geax Goma 2.4 tires
    Easton Haven 35mm bars and stem
    Ergon Enduro grips

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    Getting there, hopefully the last of my parts will be in by Friday.
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    18 months in this is the most fun bike I've ever owned. Two things I'd change....1. weight (duh), and 2. water bottle cage inside triangle. But those things aren't enough to really matter, so shred on.

    I have ridden the DH bike a bit lately and was surprised to get on this and have it feel a bit short. I imagine the 2016 geo changes will fix that fit issue for me. Wonder what 2017 will bring!?


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    Above tree line @ 12,600ft in the Rocky Mountains

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    Folks, i need help on compatible shock and tune for the spitfire, as there is a nice bargain for a fox float that came form a build bronson 2016 model, Measurement: 200 x 57 or 2.25 x 7.875 evo can
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    i was thinking this would be a good back up for when i need to ship my ccdb air for servicing to another country.

    i hope keith's online, hehehe
    thnxz

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    2016, FLOAT DPS, F-S, K, 3pos-Adj Evol LV, 7.875, 2.250, CL, RM, Climb L

    Thats the shock tune we offered for 2016 after testing. Hope that helps. The brosnon has a very different shaped (almost opposite) leverage curve shape, so tune may well not be compatible as is.
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    Thanks Keith, can't wait for the new spitfire to be released into the wild.

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    Col de Seron, Swiss Alps this morning. Nice views, perfect bike but to less flow for my taste.




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    One more red bike

    I updated my 2013 Spitfire with a bike skills course, best money I spent ever! After that I "had" to get new brakes, Guide RSC's and a new saddle.

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    Love it but I am really looking forward to the new bike as it might be time to change frame.

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    Over 2.5 years and 2000 miles of fun! Love this bike. Just treated it to a 170mm Reverb Stealth.

    I've taken to riding it in the high/steep setting on my very tight twisty rooty local singletrack, and then going low/slack when heading to gnarlier places (swapping the bars from 740 to 800mm at the same time). It's on 27.5 wheels but I changed to the 26 dropouts earlier this year.






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