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    Does anyone even make an EC56 lower cup/bearing setup? Seems when you get to that size it was designed around the use of ZS lower.

    Works components has an 1 or 1.5 degree angle set for a tapered fork with a ZS lower and EC upper.

    So you're gonna run the bike in it's slackest setting, a longer fork and an angle set to slack it out even more

    On another note I'm gonna be demoing a Prime today It'll be my first ride on a Banshee and am really looking forward to trying the new KS suspension.

    NEW - 1 0 Degree EC44 - ZS56 - To Suit Tapered Steerer Tube Forks

    NEW - 1 5 Degree EC44 - ZS56 - To Suit Tapered Steerer Tube Forks
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    The warranty for the spitfire covers up to 160mm travel forks with all headset options.
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    Keith, thanks for your Info.

    Skidad, thank you too. These Works Components must be the ones GrazerTourer has mentioned - good to know.
    And: Sorry mate, I havenīt had much time the last few days, but I will answer your PM asap!

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    Sorry if this was already posted, but what size shock is the new Spitty running?

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    7.875 X 2.25"

    Listed in the specs near the bottom 1 page back
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Sorry if this was already posted, but what size shock is the new Spitty running?
    This one should help:

    http://forum.velovert.com/uploads/ve...605_150246.jpg

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    Looks like the same size the old Rune ran so you might find a few good deals on some Elkas or other shocks as people go from the Rune V1 or V1.5 to the V2.

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    builttoride, can you say anything on 140 mm fork on v2 stitfire?

    currently owns HT with marz 44/140mm, so i'm thinking on such variant until getting new 1ne.

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logoffski View Post
    builttoride, can you say anything on 140 mm fork on v2 stitfire?

    currently owns HT with marz 44/140mm, so i'm thinking on such variant until getting new 1ne.

    thanks!
    Personally I'd recommend a 160mm fork for the spitfire to really get the most out of it (150mm if more XC focused). A 140mm Marz44 has an axle to crown height of 507mm I believe, which is certainly on the short end for this frame. With the 44 the head angle will be steepened by about 1.5 degrees for each setting (so 67.5-68.5) which means you will loose that slack geometry confidence, and the BB will drop about 10mm. You could slacken the head angle out with an angle set, but that would just drop the BB further. So while it will work, I'd certainly recommend a fork with an a-c in the 520-545mm range.

    If you do stick with the 44, I would recommend running an external lower headset cup to help raise the stack height a bit.

    #edit# I just realised that the a2c on the 44 depends on what model and also what year you have, you can find the information for your fork here Tenneco Marzocchi Suspension
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    mine one is 44 RC3 Ti / 2010 and it has "fork lenght" (hope that IS AtC ) 514mm. i had already thought on extended lower cup. some kind of cane creek S3 +, i can't post a links

    Fur sure that is subject to change (would prefer 55 RC3 Ti 'cause i'm in love with those plushiest coil RC3 series) but it's not so easy to find one. There are some offers but 1.5 steerer is uncompatible with spitty

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    You can run a 1.5 steerer on the spitfire, but will require a top cup headset that is not very common (I believe that nukeproof make one tho).
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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    You can run a 1.5 steerer on the spitfire, but will require a top cup headset that is not very common (I believe that nukeproof make one tho).
    Well yeah, but it's also requires a stem for 1.5.
    But thanks for idea in any cases!

    still waiting for official release from our Banshee dealer

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    (I believe that nukeproof make one tho).
    44EEOS
    Ø50x44mm
    1.5" steerer fork in 44mm dia headtube with external cups
    S.H.I.S. Top Cup | Bottom Cup: EC44/38.1 | EC44/40

    49EEOS
    Ø56x49.57mm
    1.5" Steerer fork in 1.5" Headtube with external cups
    S.H.I.S. Top Cup | Bottom Cup:EC49/38.1 | EC49/40

    1st one as far as i understood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logoffski View Post
    mine one is 44 RC3 Ti / 2010 and it has "fork lenght" (hope that IS AtC ) 514mm. i had already thought on extended lower cup. some kind of cane creek S3 +, i can't post a links

    Fur sure that is subject to change (would prefer 55 RC3 Ti 'cause i'm in love with those plushiest coil RC3 series) but it's not so easy to find one. There are some offers but 1.5 steerer is uncompatible with spitty
    I ran a marz 44 RC3 TI MY2010+external lower cup when i first got my spitfire V1. Lots of pedal strikes and a front end much lower than i like.

    Now I run a Marz 55 RC3 TI MY2010+external lower cup. This how ever gets the front end a bit high but way better tho, and a lot less pedal strikes!

    Just palced an order for the new Spitfire should be good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mishtar View Post
    Looks like the same size the old Rune ran so you might find a few good deals on some Elkas or other shocks as people go from the Rune V1 or V1.5 to the V2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by legendMKI View Post
    Just palced an order for the new Spitfire should be good!
    are u gonna build it with 55 rc3 or gonna get another fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logoffski View Post
    are u gonna build it with 55 rc3 or gonna get another fork?
    No, I am going to get a BOS Deville for my new build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by legendMKI View Post
    No, I am going to get a BOS Deville for my new build!
    Don't do it!

    When I got my Cotic this summer (with a Stoy as an upgrade), not only did BOS send the wrong weight spring, they'd fitted offset bushings. When I contacted R53 I found that they didn't deal with BOS anymore and had to go to BOS direct.

    BOS could apparently not care less about having me as a customer. They weren't interested in swapping or even just taking back the spring and bushings, the only correct weight spring they had was used, but I couldn't have a discount, even used it was full price or nothing.

    When it turned up not only was it used (visible wear, numbers/markings long gone), it was the wrong length and didn't fit the shock. So I called quits and got a Manitou spring.

    On the phone to them the whole impression I got was that I was some kind of annoyance for daring to ask for what I had paid for, nevermind that the shock was nearly Ģ600. It's gone on Ebay since then, on a Monarch RT3 now and it's really not that much better on a short travel bike.

    By contrast, I had great service from Magura this summer when the spring on my 2009, second hand Thors went pop.
    To quote Mike from Magura UK, "I've checked the serial numbers on your fork and that one came from a faulty batch, we've got a few spare springs so you can have one as a sort of good will type... thing,"
    I told them it was second hand, they still repaired it free (and I ended up buying a service anyway because I figured it could use some love).

    So, I strongly advise against BOS, it isn't worth the hassle. I'm happy to recommend Magura though.

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    The sizing still has me a bit boggled... I'm 180cm, and currently ride a large Spitfire with a 50mm stem and the seat fairly forward on a KS supernatural post. I see the reach on the medium gen 2 spitfire is only 3mm shorter than the gen 1 large so it seems like to keep a similar feel for the attack position I would want to drop down a size. I'm worried that going to a medium will create too cramped of a cockpit when seated since ETTs haven't grown, but like Keith mentioned previously perhaps the bent seat tube will cancel this out. Anyway, the medium seems really small for someone my height, but maybe I'm just too old skool. Anyone able to give some insight?

    As an aside, this is my second Banshee (had a Rune previously) and the second one that chews up pivots and wears the pivot faces despite careful frame assembly, but I just love the ride of the damned things. It's like some horrible love/hate relationship with a series of drug-addicted strippers or something.

    For people complaining about a lack of playfulness, I think you may have your bars too low. I know I had my setup pretty slammed and felt like the bike was too dead. I put some 38mm rise sunlines on there and the bike came alive on the descents with no real negative impact on the climbs - still leaning forward the same, my hands are just in a different spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FullMonty View Post
    The sizing still has me a bit boggled... I'm 180cm, and currently ride a large Spitfire with a 50mm stem and the seat fairly forward on a KS supernatural post. I see the reach on the medium gen 2 spitfire is only 3mm shorter than the gen 1 large so it seems like to keep a similar feel for the attack position I would want to drop down a size. I'm worried that going to a medium will create too cramped of a cockpit when seated since ETTs haven't grown, but like Keith mentioned previously perhaps the bent seat tube will cancel this out. Anyway, the medium seems really small for someone my height, but maybe I'm just too old skool. Anyone able to give some insight?
    I'm inclined to suggest that a medium might be better fit for you since you ran the saddle forwards in the rails on your old large. The cockpit ends up being a bit longer (around 5-10mm, depends on final saddle height) when you have saddle up at full height. so if you run the saddle in middle of rails then I think you'll end up with about the same cockpit length and will have the ergonomic fit that you seem to like which isn't so reached out. thats my $0.02
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    @ FullMonty
    I am 180/181 cm tall with 85/86 cm inseam and, coming from a medium Wildcard, decided finaly to go with a medium Spitfire V2, at least after some communication with Keith.
    I always feel good on medium Sizes, never cramped but upright enough to go with 50 mm Stem and 38 mm Riser Bars with no Spacers, to have a nice and controlled Handling. Although I could go with large too ...
    I can only afford one Bike which has to excel in all Areas, so in the end I like to have a more BMXish and playfull Feel overall, plus the needed Benefit of great Standover and a not overly long Seattube, which is mostly the Dealbreaker for me with large Sizes.
    Letīs say I am old skool because Iīm used to shorter Freeridebikes ...

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    I am excited for the Spitfire, I think it will be a great Super D/Enduro race rig. I would be torn on which shock to run, does anyone have an opinion on which shock they plan on running and why?

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    If I wanted my frame without a rear shock so I could order one from XFusion what tune is recommended?

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    I am planning on running the DB air for its tunability. The Team Geronimo guys were running them last year on the 2012 Spitfires and used them for everything from dual slalom events to trail riding to big mountain enduro events with a few tweaks to the set-up to best suit each particular event or ride. I feel like the versatility of the DB air makes it the best choice in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brokepeddler View Post
    If I wanted my frame without a rear shock so I could order one from XFusion what tune is recommended?
    I'd ask the xfusion guys this, they have the information from me to custom tune already.
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    That's good to know. Sounds like it would be worth the extra cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Don't do it!

    When I got my Cotic this summer (with a Stoy as an upgrade), not only did BOS send the wrong weight spring, they'd fitted offset bushings. When I contacted R53 I found that they didn't deal with BOS anymore and had to go to BOS direct.

    BOS could apparently not care less about having me as a customer. They weren't interested in swapping or even just taking back the spring and bushings, the only correct weight spring they had was used, but I couldn't have a discount, even used it was full price or nothing.

    When it turned up not only was it used (visible wear, numbers/markings long gone), it was the wrong length and didn't fit the shock. So I called quits and got a Manitou spring.

    On the phone to them the whole impression I got was that I was some kind of annoyance for daring to ask for what I had paid for, nevermind that the shock was nearly Ģ600. It's gone on Ebay since then, on a Monarch RT3 now and it's really not that much better on a short travel bike.

    By contrast, I had great service from Magura this summer when the spring on my 2009, second hand Thors went pop.
    To quote Mike from Magura UK, "I've checked the serial numbers on your fork and that one came from a faulty batch, we've got a few spare springs so you can have one as a sort of good will type... thing,"
    I told them it was second hand, they still repaired it free (and I ended up buying a service anyway because I figured it could use some love).

    So, I strongly advise against BOS, it isn't worth the hassle. I'm happy to recommend Magura though.
    Sorry to hear you had isues dealing with BOS.

    One of my team mates runs BOS fork and shock and newer had any problems. He has had his fork rebuild for free a few times. His fork started out with a piggyback on the left side of the lowers (one of the first DH forks form BOS) and has rebuild to a RaRe idyle.

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    Woahhhh yeah Baby, my Spitfire has landed in Germany and is on itīs way

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    any idea when the US guys will be getting the replacement frames?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Woahhhh yeah Baby, my Spitfire has landed in Germany and is on itīs way
    You lucky dog and earlier than I expected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Don't do it!

    When I got my Cotic this summer (with a Stoy as an upgrade), not only did BOS send the wrong weight spring, they'd fitted offset bushings. When I contacted R53 I found that they didn't deal with BOS anymore and had to go to BOS direct.

    BOS could apparently not care less about having me as a customer. They weren't interested in swapping or even just taking back the spring and bushings, the only correct weight spring they had was used, but I couldn't have a discount, even used it was full price or nothing.

    When it turned up not only was it used (visible wear, numbers/markings long gone), it was the wrong length and didn't fit the shock. So I called quits and got a Manitou spring.

    On the phone to them the whole impression I got was that I was some kind of annoyance for daring to ask for what I had paid for, nevermind that the shock was nearly Ģ600. It's gone on Ebay since then, on a Monarch RT3 now and it's really not that much better on a short travel bike.

    By contrast, I had great service from Magura this summer when the spring on my 2009, second hand Thors went pop.
    To quote Mike from Magura UK, "I've checked the serial numbers on your fork and that one came from a faulty batch, we've got a few spare springs so you can have one as a sort of good will type... thing,"
    I told them it was second hand, they still repaired it free (and I ended up buying a service anyway because I figured it could use some love).

    So, I strongly advise against BOS, it isn't worth the hassle. I'm happy to recommend Magura though.
    You made mistake, sorry.

    You should have contacted Mad Elk Cycles, it was nothing else than excellent!

    I had long corresponence with them, they have trained in Bos facility. When they ordered rear shock to me from Bos, they had routine to go through things and found one fault on the shock and asked if they should ship the fork or I'd wait for both parts (fork and shock).

    I have contacted to R53 before and they referred to Mad Elk cycles.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    You lucky dog and earlier than I expected

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    Yes mate, earlier than I have expected, too!

    Just 2 hours ago Bernhard, the german Distributor wrote via Email that the Frames have arrived today and mine is going out tomorrow.
    Of course Pictures and weight of an andodized black medium Spitfire will follow asap.

    - Fortunately it seems that I am the one of the very few with additional 650B-Dropouts at the moment.
    - Unfortunately I have to wait for the CCDB which is coming with the next Batch in January. So maybe weight may vary a bit as Iīm not sure to get all required Shockmounts at the moment. I would like to measure with 142x12 Axle and all mounting Hardware to give real Numbers ...

    To see things positive: Time to check the Spitfire with a DHX-Coil and Evolver in the meantime.
    The build-up can hopefully start the next week, as I have to wait for Fork and Angleset.

    Really so damn excited ... I am waiting for a Bike like this for more than two Years now and slowly but surely a Dream comes to Reality!

    Cheers everyone
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    I am excited for you. I am really excited about my future build, I hope my plan to run a single ring upfront isn't to ambitious for my chubby body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coocoomike View Post
    any idea when the US guys will be getting the replacement frames?
    I'm curious, too. Trident sports was saying first week of December for v2 upgrades. I'm not holding my breath, but hey, who knows. Anyone know when spitfire v2s will be available for north america? And is there enough for everybody?

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    I suspect that you guys are only a few days away from receiving your orders ...

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    NoStyle, did you placed pre-order to dealer or how did you do it so fast?

    i had found new banshees on two german online-shops, so its looks like i can get it that way, and much faster. our russian dealer still keep the silense (((.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomasis View Post
    Good luck!
    Don't need luck, got Rockshox...

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    @ Logoffski
    I had placed my (Pre)-Order back in June, when the first Infos of the V2 Runes and Spitfires were seen here. At that Time the Distribution for Germany was not clear at all. Shortly after the Distribution was confirmed I got in Contact with them and ordered.
    So "fast" in my Case only means Receiving Delivery in December, not the originally stated January.

    According the Online-Shops: Shops/Dealers can only sell what is available through the Distribution, who is dependent on the manufacturer! The new Banshees were online shortly after Eurobike back in September, but that only means Pre-Order. Shipment of the Frames is right now.

    But: If buying online from a German Shop is faster than through your russian Dealer than I wouldnīt think too long and go for it.

    Or: Get in Contact with the russian Distribution and check if they can help you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fix the Spade View Post
    Don't need luck, got Rockshox...
    then I wish you good luck with Rockshox,

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    I might be jumping the gun a bit, but will the v2 frames ship with a seatpost and collar similar to the V1's?

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    Do we know the production colour options? Black, raw, and something I'm sure. (On that note - I think it should be black OR raw, plus 2 colour options)

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    When I placed my order for the upgrade, the guys from Banshee confirmed black, raw and red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Yes mate, earlier than I have expected, too!

    Just 2 hours ago Bernhard, the german Distributor wrote via Email that the Frames have arrived today and mine is going out tomorrow.

    Really so damn excited ... I am waiting for a Bike like this for more than two Years now and slowly but surely a Dream comes to Reality!

    Cheers everyone
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    Uhmm, there might be a little missunderstanding? Maybe from me as Iīm no native speaker

    As far as I know Banshee has developed the V2 Generation of Primes, Spitfires and Runes during the last two Years, if not longer.
    At the same Time my Riding changed towards "Trailriding", where my Wildcard has some compromises given to itīs initial Nature. So I was looking for an aggressive Bike, short(er) Travel but with DH-Geometry. The V1 Spitty was really close and shortly before I was pulling the Trigger to buy it, Iīve heard of the V2-Generation and their Features back in June - and ordered immediately.

    So I am not waiting two Years for this particular Frame! But for a kind of Bike like this - the Downhilles XC-Bike - shorter Travel, aggressive Geometry and now versatile as hell with Geo-Adjustments and Wheelsize-Options. Thatīs one of a kind!

    BTW: The Frame arrived yesterday and I will take some Pics asap. Unfortunately my Scale is damaged, so Weights will follow later ...

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    Spitfire quick & dirty Sneak-Peak.




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    wow, looking good!!!

    IM REALLY EXCITED NOW!

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    I cannot express in words how much I'm looking forward to seeing that built into a full bike.

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    beautiful.......

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    Very nice NS! Frame looks as least as capable as V1/1.5 Runes, but in a stiffer, overall better performing package. I have been going back and forth between the new Spitty and the Rune V2 myself as I seem to be more of a trail/AM rider these days, with a little harder riding (Enduro DH/aggro AM) come summer. The only thing holding me back on the Spitty is that I have two new'ish 8.5"x2.5" shocks laying around and no 7.875x2.25" of my liking except an old 2009 RP3 that came with first Rune (2008). So, most cost effective for me to go Rune V2 sans shock. But, man the Spitty looks to be a rippin' trail machine and more than likely more preferred ride of choice for most of the trail riding I do around here and even the whole Oregon Enduro Series here at home as well. Decision, decisions?
    Ride On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    oh hell yeah

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    Thank you, but most of all: Thank you Banshee!!! And thank you Bernhard from everyday26.de!!

    I have to wait for some Parts, so the Build will be finished hopefully around Christmas.

    New Parts will be BOS Deville 16 cm Fork, CC Angleset, SRAM X0 FD and the CCDB which comes later.
    Most Parts have to come from my Wildcard first, like Thomson Stem and Seatpost, Flite, Formula The Ones, full Shimano XT Drivetrain, Wheelset and Manitou Evolver, as long as the CCDB is on itīs way.
    So Colorsheme will be Black, White and Raw-Alu the most.
    Planned Parts in the Future will be hydraulic Seatpost (maybe X-Fusion Hilo SL), of course nice and light 650B-Wheelset for Allday-Riding and maybe upgrading to 2x10 Drivetrain.

    Comparing the Spitfire to the Wildcard is somehow funny. The Rear-Triangle features almost the same Tubing-Dimensions (Ribbed Tubes). The Front Triangle is kind of filigree and I think Rune and Wildcard-Tubing are more similar in Dimensions. Fingersnapping the Tubes makes a nice and higher "klink"-Sound, so the Spitfire Tubes seems to have reasonable Wall Thickness to withstand serious Abuse!!! Welds and Forgings are nicely done.

    Comparing Geometry is funny too. Toptubelength is closely the same, so is the Standover! The Spitfire has a remarkable longer Reach than the Wildcard - forward Geometry at itīs best.

    But thats all Theory - looking forward to build up and ride that Beauty ...

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