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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    UK debacle continues. just been told that no XLs were sent out in this batch, due to an admin cock up apparently, so i'll have to wait another couple of months. thanks banshee
    I've spoken to Ison about this and they are working hard to fix the soluton as soon as possible for you. They know we have spare spitfire XL frames here and have reserved one for you.
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    What do you think about DSP Dueler with Ti spring at Spitty frame? I know that during riding down it will be great, what about going uphill? This shock doesn't have any propedal etc, of course it has LSC and HSC. Is it good or bad idea if I'm looking for plush but effective suspension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I've spoken to Ison about this and they are working hard to fix the soluton as soon as possible for you. They know we have spare spitfire XL frames here and have reserved one for you.
    Thanks Keith. Fair enough - as long as it gets sorted out quick and its getting dealt with. I'm just going nuts not having a trail bike. I'd be grateful if someone could get in touch and give me a fixed date for when it arrives. The second drop date is given as 31/12 but if that gets shifted back I'll just have to give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    Thanks Keith. Fair enough - as long as it gets sorted out quick and its getting dealt with. I'm just going nuts not having a trail bike. I'd be grateful if someone could get in touch and give me a fixed date for when it arrives. The second drop date is given as 31/12 but if that gets shifted back I'll just have to give up
    I just want to chime in here and kind of defend mine (Ison's) and Keith's position on stuff.

    We order frames, Banshee ship, we get a rough date the ship is into port, it takes 5 weeks on the sea, we add a few days for customs, and then we have arrange a day with the freight forwarder to get it, unpack it, check it, and process the shop orders in date order. This takes time. Generally we ship pallets of frames, this takes longer to get through customs, and we have ZERO control over it. We do our best to provide the best date we possibly can to shops, if that slips due to unforeseen circumstances, we can't help that. We tell the shops the best date we can, if they tell you something else, we can't help that.

    We had the frames in on Friday morning, and we managed to turn pretty much all of them around and ship them out the same day, props to our warehouse for that.

    I'm sorry that we are lacking XL frames, we sell very few of these and don't keep a huge amount in stock. We sell almost 10 to 1 on all other frame sizes to XL.

    We have more frames shipping next week, which should put them to us at the end of December all being well, but I cannot promise that or give you a fixed date for all of the reasons I listed above until it gets closer.

    We do our best to keep you all happy in the UK with the best service and stock possible. I apologise if you feel let down, but remember that there is 4 sizes of Spitfire, 3 colours, 3 shock options, and 4 drop-out options, this makes stock pretty entertaining to handle.

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    And, kind of in support for Ison as well. There are guys like me that we're lucky and got our frames early, in our pleasure we post them on the forum for all to see which a means for those of you still waiting for your frames it seems that much more insulting knowing that others already have theirs. My country's dealer had one order for the Spitfire, mine. So it was posted from the factory instead of shipped so I got mine early for this reason.

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    I'm just placing an order for my groupset. With the XX1 cranks do I want BB30 or GXP? I have no idea what either are it just has that as an option where I am buying them from.

    Thank you

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    GXP

    But make sure that you know what you are doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeeze View Post
    I'm just placing an order for my groupset. With the XX1 cranks do I want BB30 or GXP? I have no idea what either are it just has that as an option where I am buying them from.

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    Ok, so I've ordered myself a large 2014 spitfire. Should arrive this late week.
    My build is pretty well ready to go, however I'm a little concerned as my fork has a lower than recommended axle to crown. I have a 150mm revelation with an axle to crown of 530mm, 15mm lower than ideal. I've searched for an EC56 lower headset cup, but all I can find is the cane creek Angleset, which I'm frankly just not willing to pay for.
    Does anyone know of an alternative to the Angleset, at the moment I'm going to be running a larger front tire to attempt to correct the deficit, but would love to get hold of an EC56 lower cup.

    Once again, all help appreciated.

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    Born on the Shore - The Banshee Bikes Blog: Spitfire Headset Options

    Are these headtube specs out of date then ? Says 49.61 bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Born on the Shore - The Banshee Bikes Blog: Spitfire Headset Options

    Are these headtube specs out of date then ? Says 49.61 bottom
    This is for the v1. V2 uses :

    Top: ZS44/28.6
    Bottom: ZS56/40

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    Mine's being brought to me, in about 30 mins time - huzzaaah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Mine's being brought to me, in about 30 mins time - huzzaaah!
    Please post photos on arrival! I've been picturing my excitement when the courier rocks up at my door with a bike box.

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    Loooong day in the office, I just got home and only had time to do this before I now collapse in bed.



    Build's going to have to be done later on during the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcj View Post
    I just want to chime in here and kind of defend mine (Ison's) and Keith's position on stuff.

    We order frames, Banshee ship, we get a rough date the ship is into port, it takes 5 weeks on the sea, we add a few days for customs, and then we have arrange a day with the freight forwarder to get it, unpack it, check it, and process the shop orders in date order. This takes time. Generally we ship pallets of frames, this takes longer to get through customs, and we have ZERO control over it. We do our best to provide the best date we possibly can to shops, if that slips due to unforeseen circumstances, we can't help that. We tell the shops the best date we can, if they tell you something else, we can't help that.

    We had the frames in on Friday morning, and we managed to turn pretty much all of them around and ship them out the same day, props to our warehouse for that.

    I'm sorry that we are lacking XL frames, we sell very few of these and don't keep a huge amount in stock. We sell almost 10 to 1 on all other frame sizes to XL.

    We have more frames shipping next week, which should put them to us at the end of December all being well, but I cannot promise that or give you a fixed date for all of the reasons I listed above until it gets closer.

    We do our best to keep you all happy in the UK with the best service and stock possible. I apologise if you feel let down, but remember that there is 4 sizes of Spitfire, 3 colours, 3 shock options, and 4 drop-out options, this makes stock pretty entertaining to handle.
    Thanks Pat, I appreciate the difficulties and variables etc and see that you've done a good job in turning round the first UK shipment. re UK distribution just to let anyone know who's bothered - Ison have stepped up and sorted my frame out now so should have it built up next week and riding soon. Lets just hope the crappy UK winter holds off for a bit

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    @Fingerbanger that's great news you're going to be riding soon.

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    Hello All

    Been a long time lurker here on this forum and thought it was about time I contributed.

    Been waiting for my Spitfire frame for quite some time so was pretty excited to pick it up on Monday. I've started the build but I'm waiting for a few drive train bits to arrive before I can finish her off.

    One thing some of you may be interested in is that for the time being I'm going to be running my new 650b Pikes with my old 26 inch wheels. As you can see they just look normal, albeit with good clearance. A2C is the same as 160mm Fox 34's give or take.







    The brown saddle is just for testing, I'm waiting for a black and blue Charge Scoop

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    Definitely is nice in blue. Looks like you've a nice build on its way. Pics when complete please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    ... Ison have stepped up and sorted my frame out now so should have it built up next week and riding soon. Lets just hope the crappy UK winter holds off for a bit
    Oh yes, thatīs pretty good news and I feel happy for you - the Wait is over! Hope you enjoy the Ride - and please post Pics!

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    Seems I was being a a whinger - with some careful consideration to the spec, without actually going all weight weenie, she's come in at a very respectable weight.

    Really awful pics since I'm pulling in some shitty long days at work and only have a little bit of time at night to build it.





    I did forget to put the front rotor on in that weight pic, so I hung it on as well - and it came to 29.23 lbs

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    Hey Supercow , how did the medium size frame work out for you ? Happy with it ?

    In other news , still waiting for my frame............

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Seems I was being a a whinger - with some careful consideration to the spec, without actually going all weight weenie, she's come in at a very respectable weight.
    HOW? Mine is 30.43 lbs with 26" carbon rims, XTR pedals, XX1 and DBAir. I cannot go more WW on this without going for no dropper and silly brakes and disks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp View Post
    HOW? Mine is 30.43 lbs with 26" carbon rims, XTR pedals, XX1 and DBAir. I cannot go more WW on this without going for no dropper and silly brakes and disks.
    Medium Anodised frame (is your's painted?)
    BOS Deville forks
    Reverb
    CCDBair CS
    Formula R1 brakes, 180mm rotors
    Spank Oozy 26AL EVO (27.5") with Nobby Nic and Hans Dampf combo
    Thompson Elite stem (50mm)
    Production Priveé LG bars (being replaced by Raceface Sixc bars when they show up)
    Raceface N/W ring
    SDG - Falcon Ti-Alloy Rail Saddle
    XTR shifter
    Zee mech
    XX casette
    Truvativ X.0 DH cranks (165mm)
    Hope Headset
    Raceface grips
    Superstar Mag CNC Pedals
    KMC SL 10 chain

    So my major parts are light, but can be a tad lighter.
    The wheels are surprisingly light for such burly wheels, but my brakes are super light. The little bits then count - pedals are fractionally lighter etc.

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    Thanks.
    My spec:
    Large, painted blue frame
    Lyrik Solo Air with AVA cartridge (heavier)
    DBAir CS
    X0 Trail brakes (200/180 rotors) (heavier)
    1500 g Light Bicycle/Hope/Revo carbon rimmed wheels
    full XX1
    Syntace Vector and Megaforce 2 cockpit
    Gravity dropper Turbo LP
    SDG Duster
    Works Angleset
    Renthal Lock On grips
    Nobby Nic Evo TSC 2.4" front
    Hans Dampf Evo TSC 2.35 rear
    Stan's Tubeless setup with tape
    XTR M970 pedals
    142x12 dropouts

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    Yea, so there's quite a bit in there heavier than mine - the frame and paint itself will be a lot, same with the forks and the dropper too.

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    The GD is actually fairly light...

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    I don't know how you can have such a light bike. Mine, a 2013 medium painted frame, is about 31 lbs

    Here my build :

    CCDB air
    RS sektor
    Hope hoops Archives EX with Hans Dampf front and rear
    Zee brakes
    X0 rear der and shifters
    X0 front shifters and X7 front der
    RS Reverb
    Truvativ AKA Stem
    Dartmoor Nitro handlebar
    Race Face Deus XC drivetrain
    Nukeproof pedals

    I know it's not the lightest build, but it's reliable. Thinking to change the drivetrain for 1x10, but I need some more range and not a ghetto solution. I'm also thinking to change the rear tire fore a Maxxis ikon or Crossmark. But that will be for the summer. Such a tire in winter in Switzerland would be like a suicide....


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    Another pic from me showing last nights progress

    All is pretty much good to go apart from one important job that I'm not looking forward to! Measure once cut twice isn't it.....

    Not too bothered how much it weighs but it feels "solid"


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    Done, measured twice, then once more. Marked with tape and set to work with the hack saw.... Seems to of done the job. Just got to decide where to go on my shake down ride tomorrow...

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    Can people sum up how great theirs are so i can justify buying one?

    After a reasonably efficient bike i can rag.

    What are the anti-squat and brake jack values at approx 25% sag, 34t chainring, middle of a typical cassette?

    There's a rough model on linkage, just after a bit of verification?

    What are they like for bottoming out? Good resistance?

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    Hahaha, how great is great ... ???

    Seriously - I donīt care too much about Anti-Squat. If it pedals without any Pedal-Kickback and very minimal bobbing (without Platform-Damping!!!) Suspension Iīm fine. Some Riders, coming from the V1 and able to compare, have said the Pedal-Kickback is very much not noticable. I personally has never experienced one during this Season.

    Same for Brake-Squat or Brake-Jack - All I feel is still ongoing smooth Traction and Suspension-Action when being hard on the rear Brake, lock-out Wheel or not.

    Bottoming out is possibly something what depends on your Shock and Setup. For the CCDBīs there are several Airchamber-Volume-Reducer coming with the Shock. If the Travel feels too linear for your Liking put some Spacers in to get it more progressive in the last Quarter of Travel. This can be done by yourself, at least for the CCDB-Air. I donīt know for the other Shocks ...

    The KS-Link feels very "neutral" to me. Itīs the very first Short-Link-Design I like, because it excels well in every Aspect, feels more lively and more direct Feedback compared to some others. Very subtle on small Bumps, wide Midstroke, ramps up nicely and very plush overall.
    Geometry and Sizing is the more important Part for me and itīs why I love the Spitfire so much. Very long, low and slack on Paper. But a lot more playfull and nimble than Numbers will tell you. Some are concerned because of the higher Frame-Weight. I never have the Feel the Spitfire, as a whole Bike, rides heavy or sluggish at all ...

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    Well, for what it's worth - the bike once again reminded me that I also fall into the trap of being overly academic about all the little details at times. Anti squat, effective toptubes, BB heigh, frame weight ... the lost goes on.

    I got on the bike today for the first time, and didn't stop grinning - it was just a f*cking hoot to ride. It's long, low and slack, it pedals well.

    Demo one, set it up like you would ride it and the bike will speak for itself.

    Crappy pic of mine today:




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    Nice one, how was the low bb? Any issues? I see you had it slacked out. Where did you go riding? It'd weird how in that last photo the HA looks steep

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    Nice one, how was the low bb? Any issues? I see you had it slacked out. Where did you go riding? It'd weird how in that last photo the HA looks steep
    Yea set it in the murder setting!
    I went to Swinley Forest in Bracknell - just a trail centre with very manmade "homogenized" tracks. Good fun day out, just to get the feel of the sizing, suspension, bigger wheels and the like. Felt so fantastic everywhere, especially with the CDBair and the Deville working great together.

    Went to Woburn Sands today, which is quite loose, loamy, sandy, jumpy type tracks - wanted to get the suspension dialled in a bit more - and there's plenty of very short, varying runs to give me a good idea.

    Took a few vids:
    Woburn Sands | Banshee Spitfire V2 teasting - YouTube

    The spitty is the black in front - apart from the last section where it's just me.

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    Very nice Trail! And yes - BOS Deville and CCDB-Air are a great Combination. The Factory-Setting of the Deville, with the right Air-Pressure, felt great right out of the Box. So much that I keep it in this Setting, because I didnīt found something better. Just awesome as it is.

    Due to the HA - it might be Camera-Perspective. The HA is actually slacker than shown. Itīs more like this:


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    Hate to continue the dead horse beating here, but I've seen a lot of questions on sizing between M and L. Some of you guys that were on the edge have followed up with your thoughts and some haven't. I did put an order in for a Large this weekend, but I'm sure I can call tomorrow and change that if needed. I'm 5' 10" (179 cm) and probably close to 250 with gear. My current hardtail is a 22" (55.9 cm) top tube (but the stem is LONG at 120mm) and 19.5 (49.3 cm) seat tube, with about 8" (203 mm) extended out of the frame of a 375mm post of which 285mm is usable, to be at my desired height for XC stuff.

    I'm concerned that with the medium I'm going to have very little (near minimum) seatpost insertion, but the TT on the large may be too much. I did ride my buddies 13 rune large over the weekend, and while its totally different from what I have (2000 trek 820, I'm making a big step here!) it felt good. I believe he has a 70mm stem on it. I have a 50 spec'd on the spitty right now. Am I going nuts right now over nothing, or should I go M?

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    Go with the large. Slightly too big bike is always better than slightly too small. Better to play it safe.

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    I reckon large - you can always run an even shorter stem (35mm spank comes to mind)

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    sorry to go into bb height again, youll have to bear with me. Its just that I intend to run my spitty at slack setting and 26 wheels so 13 inch BB height. How is this affected by sag? still concerned that I could be plagued by rock strikes and by then the frame won't be returnable. Im not happy getting an angleset, increasing wheel size, shortening crank arms etc so the only option is to run it steep which I don't fancy doing.

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    Do you ride on particularly rocky trails, I use my spitfire in the medium setting with 26in wheels and 175mm cranks. I get the occasional pedal strike but not that often, I'm used to riding bikes with low bb though. I rode my spitfire at a local bike park yesterday where I would normally have used my dh bike and i was impressed with how it coped!

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    yeah I do ride on pretty rocky trails - peak district and Yorkshire dales. It's large rocks and steep climbs. I've not had a demo and just waiting for my frame so fretting about this and that. Its difficult to know without riding. Im also going to be running a 1x10 set up for the first time, with a 33t chain ring so if im climbing with a high gear im thinking that I can 'ratchet' the gears and avoid pedal strikes. Too much time on my hands and not enough riding is what's wrong here

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    Aye too much thinking not enough riding! I use 1x9 34/34 and it is fine for all of the Scottish trail centre climbs there is nothing there I can't climb with those gears, for the big mountain stuff up north I push/carry up anyway. I got this bike last jan before there was any real reviews or a distibuter in this country so had no real idea what to expect... I just emailed Keith with lots of questions and took his advice that I would love the frame and it was true.. The best frame I've ridden by a long shot!
    How does the bb height compare to your current bike do you get many rock strikes just now? I'm not familiar with the area you ride, up here the trails I ride are steep rooty hand cut forest and the bike seems to love it, it's also really good on the smooth trail centre surfaces where you can hammer the berms!

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    Thanks for the responses guys. It's a done deal now, should have it the week of Christmas, sure will be a nice gift to myself! Not a crazy build since the only parts transferring over from the old ride will be pedals, but should fit my riding style and terrain well.

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    As for the BB, I think you will be able to compensate. I'm running 175mm in the medium setting and rarely have a pedal strike even on rocky or rooty climbs and have never hung up a pedal on a downhill. I do think that I've grown more aware of where my pedals are since I've been riding really low BB bikes for years though... One nice thing is that this bike stays up in its travel really well compared to others I've had and I think this makes for fewer strikes than one might expect given the geo.

    Bottom line, another vote for "don't worry about it, you'll love it."

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    Hey folks! Reading all of your replies has got me excited about building up my spitfire. I'm hoping to get it down to near 28lb, but that may be more of a challenge after reading some of the recent weight postings. I'll try and get some pix up this weekend if my fork arrives from qbp this week.

    Here's what I'm looking at:

    Med, ano black spitfire w/ fox float CTD
    Syntace 32h w30 wheels' 27.5, 142x12
    150mm rock shox pike
    Works components -1 degree headset
    Race face turbine stem 60mm
    Race race next sl carbon bars 725mm
    Sram XO1 drivetrain grey/black, 175 mm cranks, 32t
    2.25 hans dampf, will run tubeless, opted for the 2.25s given the wide inner width of the rims
    Race face atlas pedals
    Reverb
    Wtb volt slt
    Shimano xt brakes, 180mm f/r

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    725mm bars?!

    Your elbows will be touching!

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    my 2014 ano black spitfire just got shipped!

    i still have my 2013 ano black spitfire...can't wait to do a weight comparison.

    any guesses to what the weight difference is going to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    my 2014 ano black spitfire just got shipped!

    i still have my 2013 ano black spitfire...can't wait to do a weight comparison.

    any guesses to what the weight difference is going to be?
    Jesus, I thought I was a weenie

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Jesus, I thought I was a weenie
    ha! thats offensive! My build was 33 lbs this past season. and that bike owned virtually all the carbon bikes in the PNW enduro scene.

    only reason i posted that is because i heard they are claiming up to half a pound weight savings between '13 and '14.