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    Quote Originally Posted by Amstaff View Post
    Thanks man. At least I think this is a positive coment...
    Hahaaa man, definitely a positive comment!
    Like your Spitfire very much!

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    Spitfire Cane Creek Inline Base Tune

    2013 Spitfire-banshee-spitfire.jpgHi all! I just put together mi new Banshee Spitfire with the following components...its a jewel to feel proud of. Banshee Spitfire V2 2014
    Fox Fit RC2 160mm
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    Sram X01 1x11
    Shimano XT Brakes
    e-Thirteen TRS+ Cranks anybody knows what is the base tune recomended for the Cane Creek Inline for this bike????

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    Base Tunes

    All base tunes we have tested are on the Cane Creek website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluearsedfly View Post
    Anyone tried fitting a Blackspire Bruiser on their Spitty?

    Obviously I'm trying to fit an ISCG05 type, goes on ok but when on the granny the chain starts to rub on the backplate as early as 2/3rds of the way up the cassette.

    Hope bb, Sixc cranks, all spacers etc in the correct order. I imagine if it's catching on the Bruiser the chain will catch on any ISCG05 device.
    I'm running an MRP 2X with XT cranks and in granny the chain gets very close to the back plate but it doesn't rub. Can you space the cranks a little more on the driveside ?

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    Hi All,

    Not sure if this has been discussed before so apologies if it has.

    I'm running Spitfire with 150 mm Vengeance (545 a-c height) in Neutral dropout setting, varying between 650b and 26 wheels. I seem to prefer 26 inch dropouts even for 650b wheels - I do not like the barge-like feeling the longer 439 mm chainstays bring.

    The problem is - I think for my riding 66.5 head angle is a bit too slack. I don't really need it and could use a bit more 'nimbleness'. I started thinking of putting a Works Components headset (cheap and cheerful Angleset) to bring HA to 67 or maybe even 67.5.

    With 66.5 HA I do need to work harder to load the front wheel and I'm not sure it is exactly how I like it for trail. It would be logical to assume that I just need a less aggressive bike but I cannot be bothered to change the frame right now, and all other aspects of Spitfire I'm quite happy with.

    Any thoughts/suggestions?

    Thanks!

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    27.5 tires with 26 dropouts

    Anyone tried a 27.5 nobby nic with the 26 dropouts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew Evteev View Post
    Hi All,

    Not sure if this has been discussed before so apologies if it has.

    I'm running Spitfire with 150 mm Vengeance (545 a-c height) in Neutral dropout setting, varying between 650b and 26 wheels. I seem to prefer 26 inch dropouts even for 650b wheels - I do not like the barge-like feeling the longer 439 mm chainstays bring.

    The problem is - I think for my riding 66.5 head angle is a bit too slack. I don't really need it and could use a bit more 'nimbleness'. I started thinking of putting a Works Components headset (cheap and cheerful Angleset) to bring HA to 67 or maybe even 67.5.

    With 66.5 HA I do need to work harder to load the front wheel and I'm not sure it is exactly how I like it for trail. It would be logical to assume that I just need a less aggressive bike but I cannot be bothered to change the frame right now, and all other aspects of Spitfire I'm quite happy with.

    Any thoughts/suggestions?

    Thanks!
    I don't know if you can drop fork travel to 140mm. This could bring your HA to around 67 and you keep the low BB.

    Or maybe just adjust your riding and enjoy the slack HA.

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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Quote Originally Posted by 92SE-R View Post
    Anyone tried a 27.5 nobby nic with the 26 dropouts?
    There's decent clearance with the 2.35 NN

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amstaff View Post
    I don't know if you can drop fork travel to 140mm. This could bring your HA to around 67 and you keep the low BB.

    Or maybe just adjust your riding and enjoy the slack HA.
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amstaff View Post
    I don't know if you can drop fork travel to 140mm. This could bring your HA to around 67 and you keep the low BB.

    Or maybe just adjust your riding and enjoy the slack HA.
    Thanks

    This makes the BB veeery low with 26 wheels -> 27.5 wheels it is -> 26 droupouts in Slack setting (ruins the whole idea) OR 27.5 dropouts which are way too long.

    I think I'm starting to get to the idea that the bike that suits you from the get go is simpler and easier to own than a bike that's infinetly customizable but can be hard to get to the exact right point

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    Does anyone know if you can run a Maxle or similar in the rear instead of the supplied axle with the bolt as I'm finding the little bolt that screws in to the axle is coming loose during rides at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimateweevil View Post
    Does anyone know if you can run a Maxle or similar in the rear instead of the supplied axle with the bolt as I'm finding the little bolt that screws in to the axle is coming loose during rides at the moment.
    yes, maxle works

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    Quote Originally Posted by ultimateweevil View Post
    Does anyone know if you can run a Maxle or similar in the rear instead of the supplied axle with the bolt as I'm finding the little bolt that screws in to the axle is coming loose during rides at the moment.
    Had the same issue, little dab of locktite solved it.

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    had the same issue. but the solution was... grease. I was running the bolts dry and the bolt looked ok when in fact was not fully threaded. grease allowed for it to fully thread and with a torque wrench the bolt was never loose again.

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    My solution was copper-paste on the dropout- and axle-bolts. Never had an issue with loosening. But Maxle works too.

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    Ha. Sounds like putting almost anything on there works

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    Well, copper-paste is a bit sticky while avoiding corrosion - so somehow "best of both worlds" ...

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    The axle and lock bolt are both made from 7075 T6 which has been hard anodized, so corrosion shouldn't be a factor. The axles and bolts throughout your frame should always be greased when assembling, it's just good maintenance practice.

    I personally use PTFE tape (Plumbers tape) a the bolt threads of all my bikes, as I actually trust it more than loctite in many situations. Most types of Loctite will harden like a weak glue and hold a bolt in a locked position, but as soon as you tighten or loosen it from that position it breaks and no longer works. PTFE tape will essentially add a little resistance by filling tolerances to the bolt to prevent it from rattling loose, and the bolt can be adjusted disassembled, reassembled etc without that function reducing as long as the tape stays in place... is good stuff. (It also works great as a short term solution if you get play in a DU bushing).

    Tip: if wrapping a bolt thread in PTFE tape, wrap 2-3 times round the bolt in the direction that means it will not unravel when the bolt is first tightened into place, this way it should stay in place.
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    Hey Keith, haven´t heard that tape could be used for that - nice tip!

    Of course corrosion does´t appear on (hard anodized) aluminum, but it appears on steel. I´m using copper-paste successfully on my drum-set. It´s sticky and greasy properties keeps the bolts in the lugs and therefor Drum-Heads in tune, so I´ve found out that it works well on Bikes, too. Plus, you can always tighten or loosen the bolts without the effect that you have described with Loctite ...

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    Again action shots. These 2 are from last race of the season. All I can say is that Spitfire is a great bike. Fast, stable and confidence inspiring. I had zero real issues with the frame over the season, swaped the bearing once, which was easy job, swaped from rear axle to maxle and back to standard axle, cuz i trashed the maxle. I do wonder now and then, if I want to swap it for Rune, for when the going gets realy rough. But overal i'd say, this bike is realy up to almost anything with only 140 travel at the back.
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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Great shots of your spitty in action.

    Heres a couple of mine in action






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    @kinserk and theraggyone: Nice riding-shots!!! Unfortunately I often ride alone, so difficult to get "action-pics" ...

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    Great thanks for that tip Keith will definitely give it a go as I'm planning a strip down and rebuild after my mud-fest riding of the last 2/3 weeks.

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    2013 Spitfire-1525349_10153285953491632_5812020418403166273_n.jpg

    My spitty in action. Cheers

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    I am also deficient in photos of riding. A couple from our jump spot last year around this time...

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    Nice shots everybody! Keep em coming

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    As you wish, some racing shots

    2013 Spitfire-10603787_726006547489717_5133578552824735964_n.jpg2013 Spitfire-enduro-78-copy.jpg

    And bonus: don't look at my face

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    Not racing, but racer style.

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    Great Pics here!

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    2013 Spitfire-img_2656.jpg

    Finally, I look on here and see talk and pics about riding the spitty. All that wheel size, head angle, bottom bracket detail was wearing me out. lol

    For you DHers out there wondering if it's true,
    yes it is.

    This is the DHers trail bike.

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    And yes, I also ride a Legend.

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    That is Huge!

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    hi, im loving my DB air CS and am having no problems with it. However, its had 12 months heavy use and perhaps time for a professional service or at least an air can service. I can lower leg service my forks but never go in for DIY shock service, however:

    is an basic air can service easy to do?
    is TF tuned the only service centre in UK?


    if I could just remove the air can okay and re-lube the seals then that should be okay for now

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    You void the warranty if you do air can service yourself on CC shocks...

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    tf tuned it is then. I've been spraying gt85 on the shock stanchion for lubrication not knowing it was a mild degreaser. why? cos im an idiot

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    I personally use teflen based low viscosity lubricant for stanchion lubrication (need to always check with fork / shock manufacturers about stuff like this). A few drops that run to surround the seals... cycle the suspension (or dropper post) a few times, wipe excess off with a clean rag.
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    thanks Keith, im just concerned that I might have dispersed the internal lube and (..the horror) damaged the seals. A full service with Tj tuned is an expensive way of sorting it out though. God forbid I've damaged by CCDB

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    Fingers crossed for you. Personally I strongly suggest that you never let GT85 or WD40 anywhere near your bike!
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    Anyone know where i can get custom banshee decals?
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelunderwear View Post
    Anyone know where i can get custom banshee decals?
    Cheers
    Nemeth does excellent work, and posts internationally pretty quickly.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Német...35788446492618

    He's done the Banshee decals for my local bike park race team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Nemeth does excellent work, and posts internationally pretty quickly.

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Német...35788446492618

    He's done the Banshee decals for my local bike park race team.
    thanks mate! you;re a champ

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    I'm planning on buying new forks for my Spitfire before Xmas.
    Thinking of going 650b.
    Just thinking about tire choices, would a 2.4 High Roller 2 fit in the back with the 26" dropouts?
    Sorry if it's been asked before.

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    2.3 High Roller II fits tight without rubbing, on a Flow X rim (26" dropouts)
    Guessing a 2.4 will have a slight rub?
    Maybe also depending on how wide your rim is?

    Disclaimer!!
    Others may have a different experience with this setup.
    So Sorry in advance..

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    I have fitted rock razor in the back of mine with 26" drops. I think it is too tight for anything but dry conditions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    2.3 High Roller II fits tight without rubbing, on a Flow X rim (26" dropouts)
    Hmm I was planning on running a 2.4
    Not sure on rims yet.
    Running Flows currently so might stick to those.
    Or i23.

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    quick question, will mounting the DB air cs VX in reverse have any effect on its suspension performance? i tend to get my shorts snagged on the air valve cap when pedaling in standing attack position.

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    I'd recommend turning the valve position (very very easy job) rather than switching the shock round. Just be sure that the shock can compress fully without the valve contacting the frame or shock.
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    Thanks Keith, i'll ask my bike shop mech if they can do it. I'm guessing that it's important to have the shock fully conpressed to check for frame contact.

    Is there some important quirks or cinsideration that i need to keep in mind with this DB air modification?

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    Gentlemen,
    Sorry if this has been asked before but I've only joined today and I've got a Spitfire frame size question.
    I am 180cm (5-11") and 85cm (33.1/2" inseam) which according to Banshee's data puts me at the top end of the MED size or the bottom end of the LARGE size.
    I currently ride an 18" hardtail with a fairly long 605mm effective top tube which I am happy with so I am inclined to go for the large size.

    Can anyone comment on this, especially of you are close to my dimensions.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I am 180cm on a large and its perfect.

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    184 on M. Fits. Never ridden a L though

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    I am 5'11 with a 33 inseam. I ride a large Spitfire with a 53mm stem. The reach is longer than all of my previous Medium frames and comparable to my Medium Misfit 29er.
    The big (positive) difference I noticed is in the wheelbase. I am running 650b with the 26 drop outs.

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    Thanks for your replies so far chaps. Much appreciated.

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    Make sure to look at reach and stack numbers on those two sizes. I bought an xl and it was too long for me. I now have a large and it is almost perfect once I get the cockpit set up. I figured it out after test riding a couple of other makers' bikes.

    Test whatever bikes your LBS carries and compare those two measurements and it will give you the best estimate of size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andywatson View Post
    Gentlemen,
    Sorry if this has been asked before but I've only joined today and I've got a Spitfire frame size question.
    I am 180cm (5-11") and 85cm (33.1/2" inseam) which according to Banshee's data puts me at the top end of the MED size or the bottom end of the LARGE size.
    I currently ride an 18" hardtail with a fairly long 605mm effective top tube which I am happy with so I am inclined to go for the large size.

    Can anyone comment on this, especially of you are close to my dimensions.

    Thanks in advance.
    same height here - Large feels just perfect (40mm stem and 0mm offset seatpost)

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    Quote Originally Posted by andywatson View Post
    Gentlemen,
    Sorry if this has been asked before but I've only joined today and I've got a Spitfire frame size question.
    I am 180cm (5-11") and 85cm (33.1/2" inseam) which according to Banshee's data puts me at the top end of the MED size or the bottom end of the LARGE size.
    I currently ride an 18" hardtail with a fairly long 605mm effective top tube which I am happy with so I am inclined to go for the large size.

    Can anyone comment on this, especially of you are close to my dimensions.

    Thanks in advance.
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    So this might be an odd place to ask, but personally think it’s the best suited, as only Spitty owners can really appreciate how good the bike is.

    I’m toying with the idea of selling the Spitfire, and it’s proving to be the hardest bike related decision I have ever had to make. I’ve been in the fortunate position to have owned a lot of brilliant bikes (with the exception of one turkey among all of them - Intense Tracer 2 ), but the Spitty is truly my favourite thus far. Not a perfect bike, but pretty close.

    Before you jump down my throat, hear me out

    I’m making significant life changes in the next year, by emigrating to Australia (from the UK). I currently have 2 bikes, a DH bike and the Spitty. When I move, I intend to cut the bike stable down to one single bike, as MTB will not be my main sport anymore, so having two bikes will be superfluous. The area that I’m most likely moving to, has some decent DH with some gnar thrown in, though nothing particularly steep. I plan to run 2 wheelsets :1 for DH duties and 1 for trail riding.

    So I aim this question particularly to DH orientated Spitty owners (which I’d assume are most given the bike’s intention), perhaps those who have a DH bike in the stable.

    What would you do in my position. Would you keep the spitfire after selling the DH bike, or would you sell the Spitfire as well, and buy something like a Santa Cruz Nomad / Yeti SB6C / YT Capra to replace the spitty? In other words, replace the spitty with something light (most likely carbon, but not ruling out bikes like the GT sanction) and potentially more capable at 160mm?

    Not sure whether relevant or not, but for me the highlights of the Spitfire, is that it’s the underdog, not particularly eye catching / overly swoop-sexy, that punches far above it’s weight in terms of DH ability, and climbs very well. I love the feeling of being “in the bike” , as opposed to being on top of the bike… and the Spitty has that nailed (not sure what geometry measurement attributes to this feeling).

    You may say that the Rune is the answer to my conundrum, but unfortunately I don’t really like the rune. The M rune feels cramped compared to my M spitty… which is a massive shame and my biggest complaint.

    Any input welcomed!

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    A couple of questions for you:
    1. What bikes are the people you will be riding with using?
    2. The reach between a M Spit and M Rune is 10mm, what about running a longer stem?
    3. Is upsizing using a shorter stem possible?
    4. What trails have you ridden down there and are they too much for the Spit?

    It would seem like a longer travel bike would split the difference between the two. It would give you the option to run a coil and an air shock with a piggyback. I was really torn between a longer travel, but decided that this travel was more than enough for the trails that I ride and am happy with my Spitfire after I figured out the right size.

    It also sounds like you have newbikeitis so try to ride as many of these bikes as you can.
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    1: I know no one there that rides
    2: Nope, dont want any longer than 50mm stem
    3: I have a long torso and short legs, so upsizing is only possible when the ST is short. Not quite the case with the rune, but can try it out... ik now some folk with one
    4: Not ridden there at all.

    Don;t have newbikeitis at all, but I understand why you might get that impression.

    Another obvious question is probably "why don't you take the spitty and decide there".
    For various reasons, that's not an option ... and also, I'm quite well connected here in the UK and can get most bike at trade - so the cost savings for buying it here is significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    1: I know no one there that rides
    2: Nope, dont want any longer than 50mm stem
    3: I have a long torso and short legs, so upsizing is only possible when the ST is short. Not quite the case with the rune, but can try it out... ik now some folk with one
    4: Not ridden there at all.

    Don;t have newbikeitis at all, but I understand why you might get that impression.

    Another obvious question is probably "why don't you take the spitty and decide there".
    For various reasons, that's not an option ... and also, I'm quite well connected here in the UK and can get most bike at trade - so the cost savings for buying it here is significant.
    i love the looks and value of the capra and have only heard good things. if i had only one bike i wouldnt want to be underbiked. i love the two bike option but understand how one is all you can have sometimes and in that case i'd split the difference and grab a more capable bike if i had access to some dh stuff as well as trail riding.

    if you are planning on two wheelsets i think you are getting out of the spitfires capability if you need a dh set. the rune would handle that but i think you'd be pushing the spitfire too hard. i'd look at a new bike if i was you

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    Thanks - good to hear that I'm not just dreaming this all up in my head (i.e: not just seing stars in front of my eyes wanting new bikes)

    Think I've actually settled on a Giant Reign carbon - the shock I have on the Spitty (DB inline) will go straight on, and the Reign is significantly longer than the others I've listed, which is what I'd prefer.

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    If I were you I would sell both and go with a so called Enduro-Bike, Carbon made, with 160mm travel. This class of bikes should be capable for all your needs, especially for one bike only. Take the new YT Capra or the new Canyon Strive to your list. Those two offer the best money/value right now.

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    Why the Giant reign? Danny Hart doesn't ride for them anymore, hehehe
    If I was to buy a new carbon bike today, it would be a toss up between a Capra for great value or a SB6c for prestige. The reason i didn't get them myself is that both are to much bike for my skill level and trails that i ride.
    I think there is very little difference in performance in today's 160mm travel, the high end bikes i mean, 140mm bikes is another story though, hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by zuman View Post
    Why the Giant reign? Danny Hart doesn't ride for them anymore, hehehe
    If I was to buy a new carbon bike today, it would be a toss up between a Capra for great value or a SB6c for prestige. The reason i didn't get them myself is that both are to much bike for my skill level and trails that i ride.
    I think there is very little difference in performance in today's 160mm travel, the high end bikes i mean, 140mm bikes is another story though, hehehe
    I can't stand Danny Hart, so that's a good thing

    The new reign's geometry is balls-out long/low/slack.
    The Capra does;t appeal unfortunately, as the M is too cramped, and I can;t size up and go large, because the seat tube is too long.

    The SB6C was certainly on my list of bikes, but I don't like that switch infinity business.


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    @ supercow: have you checked out the new orbea rallon? Geometry is spot on what you are looking for in M sizing.


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    I considered it, but doesn't float my boat for some reason

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    @supercow: Check out Canyons Strive! It has two geometries/sizings - one "regular" and the other "race", which is longer in reach and top tube without lengthen the seat tube much. Plus one of the very best money/values, especially as long as you are still in the UK ...

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    Thanks noStyle, it's a very good suggestion, but ultimately it does't quite do it for me ... don't know why.

    Value is not something I'm concerned about right now, I want something that just has that x factor, something that rocks my socks. It will be the last bike i'll have for many years (longer than I've ever owned any bike).

    The Giant did it for me, but it's only available in next year JULY!

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    i'd check out the knolly warden too if you don't have a set budget. not carbon but great bike. available now

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    Yeti SB6c is one frame that could replace my Spitty. The Spit and SB66 have been my all time favourites for everything!

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    Its between the Yeti, the Nomad and the Reign still for me.


    Just something about the Reign that I can't get out of my head though. Usually I don't like colour on a bike (hail satan black ftw), but this Reign's green and yellow has grown on me enormously


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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
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    sell the DH keep the spitty. 5.5 inches of travel is enough for 95% of riding. Put a 160 pike and have a blast

    I have raced my spitty in the whistler EWS. Rode it all over whistler pre ews. I had more fun on that bike than my session. I hit every gnarly line at the same pace as the session. I have stravaed my times on pure DH runs back to back on spitty and session and I was only 10 seconds slower over a 7 min run on the spitfire than the session......

    Bring 2 wheelsets, save $$, and pack an extra surfboard instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Value is not something I'm concerned about right now, I want something that just has that x factor, something that rocks my socks. It will be the last bike i'll have for many years (longer than I've ever owned any bike).
    You are a hopeless optimist

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    Quote Originally Posted by elistan View Post
    pack an extra surfboard instead.
    Already ordered two more
    Maybe you;re right - keep that money for another Indo trip!

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    I have time and finance on my side - can afford to be an optimist for now

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    changed from old 2x9 to new 1x10, cleaned up nicely and runneth smooth.

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    Great pic, nice Spitty and a lovely looking V too, best dogs ever!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David R View Post
    Great pic, nice Spitty and a lovely looking V too, best dogs ever!!
    thanks man! Yup my Vizsla is a great (trail)dog and good company for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    changed from old 2x9 to new 1x10, cleaned up nicely and runneth smooth.

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    really big dog, or very small bike..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kofoed View Post
    really big dog, or very small bike..
    hahaha nope just a medium size dog and a bit of closeup iPhone lens distortion ;-)

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    Larger wheels and a larger dog


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    Larger wheels and a larger dog


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    wanted to take this opportunity and say that I think Banshee really redeemed themselves after the bushing disaster. I was one of those people that had to swap out bushings like every other week on my old V1 frame and was very hesitant to give Banshee more of my money for a new V2. But after riding & abusing a V2 for close to 2 years (Colorado trail riding on some pretty technical rocky stuff plus some Winter Park) I have to say it was money well spent. Don't want to jinx things but this is one tough bike, very versatile in how it can be run, and because of the new school trail geometry it's also one of the first XL bikes that properly fits me and doesn't look like one of those ugly 'huge' bikes. I'm sure that Keith sees it as a compliment that other brands appear to move towards geo numbers that were already part of the Spitfire 4 years ago but it can't be easy competition as Banshee is such a small brand. So small that locally here in the Front Range I've only seen one other Banshee on the trail in the 4 years I've owned a Spitfire (lost in a sea of carbon Yeti's, Santa Cruz', etc).

    Props to Keith & co

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    This was the first real race with the Spitty for me,
    after the practice/track read, decided to run it in slack.
    It was my first run on the slack geometry and
    will keep it at that configuration from now on.
    steep techy stuff had always scared me,
    but this spitty somehow made me held on to my lines.

    some photos from the race, nothing to gnarly or impressive,
    now fitted with some chromag stuff, to bad they don't make cranks,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ucio View Post
    Just before first ride with 32-11/42 drivetrain

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    Nice!
    How do the spitfire behave with a coil shock?

    I'm looking for a frame to build as a coil shock trailbike, and the Spitfire seems to be a good choice (even if I'd prefer 29er weels, but i'm thinking the banshee would take a 29er front with a 27.5 rear)

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    And at 187cm would you look for an XL or a large? I'm thinking XL with 30-40mm stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    And at 187cm would you look for an XL or a large? I'm thinking XL with 30-40mm stem.
    Banshee got the spitfire absolutely dialled in terms of sizing.
    Around 9 of my extended group of riding friends have bought a Spitty, everyone at varying height. Everyone bar one went with the recommended size on the Banshee size chart, and no one has any complaints (in fact, people are getting sick of all of us banging on about how amazing the Spitty is)

    So based on the above, I would say go large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    And at 187cm would you look for an XL or a large? I'm thinking XL with 30-40mm stem.
    my 2 cents:
    long torso/arms or more traditional xc stretched riding position = XL with 30-40mm stem.
    short torso/arms or upright riding position = L

    (I'm 188cm with average built but with xc background and I'm on an XL with 60mm stem, slowly reducing stem size)

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    Good point you make cooldaddy: All of us that I mentioned, are from DH background.

    The only problem with your suggestion above, is that people with Long torsos and short legs (like me), is standover height.

    The one mate of mine that went "sized up", found that he struggles a bit getting over the back of the bike, when things get steep, wet and tech. Even with the post slammed, he felt that he gets caught now and again by the seat between his legs.

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    im about 189cm with short legs and long arms (i.e. my armspan is longer than my height) and I ride an XL with 50mm stem.

    Its perfect with no seattube issues. My reverb is slammed down to its collar in the seattube but at full extension I have a great pedalling position.

    hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    im about 189cm with short legs and long arms (i.e. my armspan is longer than my height) and I ride an XL with 50mm stem.

    Its perfect with no seattube issues. My reverb is slammed down to its collar in the seattube but at full extension I have a great pedalling position.

    hope this helps
    Forgot about dropper post insertion issues. Like I said I'm 188cm on an XL and my 125 KS Lev has 1" of lower shown above the seat tube still. Unless a person that is 187cm tall has really short legs standover on an XL won't be an issue because it's pretty low compared to most XL bikes...

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    im about 189cm with short legs and long arms (i.e. my armspan is longer than my height) and I ride an XL with 50mm stem.
    It's normal to have a greater armspan than your height as an adult male!

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    Nice!
    How do the spitfire behave with a coil shock?

    I'm looking for a frame to build as a coil shock trailbike, and the Spitfire seems to be a good choice (even if I'd prefer 29er weels, but i'm thinking the banshee would take a 29er front with a 27.5 rear)
    Behave very good What do you want to now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by threehats View Post
    It's normal to have a greater armspan than your height as an adult male!
    I thought it was roughly equal and then if you have a slightly greater armspan then its + on the 'ape index'!!

    so my physique would in theory make me a good swimmer or boxer (im neither)

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    I keep forgetting to take proper glamour shots, but here are a couple of my Spitfire from yesterday's ride:

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    Lovely looking bikes! Just ordered frame only after taking out a demo, should have mine on Jan 2nd. Xmas comes late here on Isle of Wight!!!

    Does anyone know of merits of running piggyback shock on this frame? Looking at a Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair or CC inline. Will probably be paired with Marz 350 NCR up front.

    Supercow - did you change HA using angleset? Any feedback?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nik_snr View Post
    Lovely looking bikes! Just ordered frame only after taking out a demo, should have mine on Jan 2nd. Xmas comes late here on Isle of Wight!!!

    Does anyone know of merits of running piggyback shock on this frame? Looking at a Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair or CC inline. Will probably be paired with Marz 350 NCR up front.
    You'll probably be fine running either kind. I am building a '15 Spitty, I decided to get the frame only and buy a CCDB Air (piggyback) separately, rather than the CCDB inline.

    While a piggyback shock may be overkill, I'll trade the weight penalty for peace of mind. The inline is a highly regarded shock, and is said to offer the same performance of the piggyback CCDB with much less weight, but I saw an article on Pinkbike where a few inlines failed during a press demo camp.

    In keeping with the overkill theme, I'm running a Fox Float 36 with 20mm through axle up front.

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    I have exchanged emails with Banshee and they distinctly advised against the Debonair shock as it is too high volume for the Spitfire. The guy I spoke with did say he had a great initial test of the upcoming Marzocchi 053 S3C2R shock, which is shockingly affordable in the states...
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