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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    lets see a nice pic of the blue spitty!
    Oh yeah, I want to see that also. Probably would have gotten that if available last year.
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post
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    Thank you sir ! That pic will get me through the next 2 weeks while I await the arrival of my frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    lets see a nice pic of the blue spitty!
    Monday! I do not have too much of photography equipment thingys or good Internet where I am now... Frame in couch is mandatory, and it will come.

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    2014 Spitfire

    Finished the build. Still to trim brake lines a bit, trim excess steerer and setup the suspension. Maiden ride tomorrow.
    Last edited by RollingRevolution; 11-02-2013 at 07:45 AM.

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    Very nice! Is it just me or does the 2014 look a little bit skinnier, particularly the top tube? I know some weight has been shaved off so was it off the tubing or am I just talking bs

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    Hmmm ... By the Look Tubing seems to be the same. Questionable were Weight has been shaved off, and how much ...

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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Quote Originally Posted by inkisink View Post
    Very nice.
    Which saddle is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Hmmm ... By the Look Tubing seems to be the same. Questionable were Weight has been shaved off, and how much ...
    The rear has been tuned a bit i know. Less welding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Very nice.
    Which saddle is that?
    Looks like a Chromag Trail Master LTD

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    Tis indeed a Trailmaster LTD.

    Regarding weight, I have no idea if there is any difference from the 2013. Changes I know of are stealth routing, bottle cage bosses, and on the strut (for want of a better word) completing the triangle between seat stay and chain stay there is one less weld. I doubt any of this saves any significant weight.

    Truth be told I was worried about this being a bit of a porker. And it is. But as others have said time and time again it doesn't feel heavy when riding. And if that weight is what contributes towards the solid feel, stiff rear end and all round build quality then its very welcome. Also the bulk of the weight is low down which keeps a nice low centre of gravity.

    Two rides in and I can already start to see why there is so much love for Banshees. It climbs as well as any bike I've had, but its the descents which stand out for me. I've never felt more confident.

    I bought mine blind. No chance for a test. Never even seen one in real life. I'm very happy to say the bet has paid off, big time.

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    That's one hot ride!
    One day I'll have one of my own but the V1 does me fine at the mo.

    Are the bottle cage bosses under the downtube?

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    Here is my 2013 Spitfire:
    raw, large, Lyrik Solo Air RC2 DH 160mm, X.9, XT brakes, Kindshox LEV 150mm, Hope Pro2/Flow, Highroller 2 & Ardent 2.4" each.
    14.7kg - amazing ride :-)

    2013 Spitfire-img_p9193864.jpg2013 Spitfire-img_p9193745.jpg2013 Spitfire-img_p9193777.jpg

    Nice greetings from Austria

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    Finally! My '14 blue size L frame has arrived, I have instagrammed it well tucked in on the couch. And I have weighed it... Heavy machinery, so hope it is worth the extra ballast. To transport it home, I had to take the frame apart, and the front triangle is fairly light, and all the weight is in the rear (no shock). A carbon rear triangle is high up on my wishlist for this bike.

    Anyway, I have some vitals for the number nerds.
    Weight shock: 553g
    Weight bike incl shock, dropouts, axle and seatclamp: 3890g(!)

    I have only instagrammed it, so here goes:
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    Whoa. Did I read that correctly?? Nearly 8.6 pounds. Yikes.

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    I will double ceck, but this scale is usually spot on

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    I must admit, I also nearly choked at that.
    Really hoping your scales are f*cked, because that sounds faaaaar too heavy!

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    The weights are listed as (which may or may not be completely wrong):
    Ison Distribution

    So for frame only at 2948 (let's assume that's a medium) + 553 = a frame / shock at £3501.

    If the frame wasn't listed with an axle, or any mounting hardware and seat collar, it's not that much of a stretch to say that your measurement is probably spot on for a Large.

    That's a bit shocking, especially given Alu bikes like the Santa Cruz Bronson are coming in at around 7lbs with CTD shock

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    The Spitfire weights around +/- 3200 Gramms with Shock-Bolts, Clamp, complete Dropout-Set, depending on Color and Size. Plus Shock separately to add.
    Jep - heavier than average, but you should buy a Bike because of it´s given Features like Suspension-Layout or Geometry, not Frameweight ...
    Truth is that the Spitfire is a lot more towards the 150/160 mm Travel Enduro/AM-Bikes with slightly reduced Travel than towards the average Trailbike. Like it or not, but the Spitty´s Frameweight is contributed to all the Adjustability and Dropout-System. Like inkisink has already said - all Linkages are around the BB, so this Weight is low in the Frame and not noticable when riding.

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    It's aout the same as my previous SB66 with Vivid Air. And that ended up being a bit on the bulky side...

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    My 2013 large Raw frame with Fox CTD shock, 12x142 dropouts, Banshee QR post clamp, installed head set cups and NO axle was 8.2lbs.

    Bike pedals great and never feel heavy or sluggish to me. It's about 31lbs as I have it.
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    but you should buy a Bike because of it´s given Features like Suspension-Layout or Geometry, not Frameweight ...
    Sorry, but that's just contentious.

    No one said otherwise, however this is not a budget old school bike. With the money we spend, we can expect great geometry, suspension and decent frame weight - no reason to not sacrifice any of the above. That said, I'm not cancelling my order, but it's a bit annoying that I need to pick my components more carefully than I'd have wanted to.

    "Not noticeable when riding" - this is just something everyone says with a heavy bike.

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    "Not noticeable when riding" - please go demoride one and report if it feels heavy anyway. This has absolutely nothing to do with "I´m on a heavy Bike", so I have to find Reasons to justify ...

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    I have ridden one as a demo bike and again, I reiterate, I'm still having one.

    It does ride great and doesn;t feel heavy...but it would have been an even better climber, were it lighter.

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    Well… wait though, what do you get for the extra weight? Is it just heft or does it actually benefit the ride?
    I think we can all agree it would be idiotic to not ask that question….

    • The adjustable geometry drop-outs are a rare feature you don’t see on the lighter frames. No doubt they add significant weight. The 4 fasteners alone are probably an ounce each- but it’s awesome how beefy they are, no worries about stripping or coming loose. And you can run different wheelsizes on the same frame.
    • Then there’s the linkage system and how it mounts to the frame. Mounting the shock to the downtube requires a thicker walled DT, which adds weight compared to a top-tube mounted suspension design. I learned this after many of my friends broke their frames made by another brand, which uses the DT-mounted shock lay-out. They all got heavier warranty frames. Mounting the shock to the downtube reduces the rotation at the shock eyelets though.
    • The Bronson & solo have a spar on only one side of the swing arm, Banshee has spars on both sides with cross-bracing, who knows if that actually saves weight or adds flex, but it’s a difference.
    • Last… all the carbon bikes have reset our standards for frame weights, but lets not forget the cost!


    last... weight seems like a big deal on paper. But realistically we all carry 1lbs of car&house keys and empty beer cans in our packs. Better places to shave weight.

    No doubt light bikes are fun, and I personally would really like to see lighter carbon versions of the KS-link banshee bikes (not holding my breath though).

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    Fair points you raise.
    Just for reference, I was comparing the Spitfire to the the Aluminium Bronson.

    Personally, having the option of running both 650b and 26", I don't think benefits a single user for the most part (who runs both wheel sizes on the same bike anyways).

    I also don't are for adjustable geo - but I'm sure I'm in the minority there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Just for reference, I was comparing the Spitfire to the the Aluminium Bronson.
    Oh yes. Mainly I was getting at.... ~8+lbs didn't seem so heavy a few years back when the lightest durable 5" frames were ~7+lbs. Carbon has changed our standards now that 5-6lb frames are available in that travel range!

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    Well, things turned out for me that the 650B Wheel amazes me more than I thought it could. My initial Plan was to switch Wheels = light 650Bs for Traildays and burly 26" for the Park/DHs. Now I stick with the 650Bs, but I´m happy that I can change if I want. Only very few other Brands offer a Feature like this. Add the Possibility to have adjustable Geometry at the same Time, to fix the one you like, is a Feature that no other Brand has. The interchangeable Dropout-System is simply genius. If this weights 200 Gramms more than fixed Dropouts than yes, I´m fine. And if ribbed Chain/Seatstays add another 100 Gramms for the exceptional Rear-Stiffness than yes, I´m fine again.

    Other Brands maybe do use higher/lighter Alumium and have more excessive Manufacturing, Hydroforming etc. to shave off Weight from Tubing. But all this comes to significantly higher Prices versus the Weightsavings and often Frameflex you mostly get for it. Plus the Majority of other Brands don´t offer Features Banshee has - some more Frameweight is the Pay-Off for a great Money/Value-Ratio you get with Banshee ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Sorry, but that's just contentious.

    No one said otherwise, however this is not a budget old school bike. With the money we spend, we can expect great geometry, suspension and decent frame weight - no reason to not sacrifice any of the above. That said, I'm not cancelling my order, but it's a bit annoying that I need to pick my components more carefully than I'd have wanted to.

    "Not noticeable when riding" - this is just something everyone says with a heavy bike.
    No it's not a budget old school bike but I do still see it on the cheaper side considering whats out their. I had narrowed my selection down to the alu SB66, Banshee Spitfire and Carbon Bronson. I picked the Spitfire because it was a full $1000 cheaper and comes with a CCDB (I am from Australia).

    I don't mind the weight as long as it goes into strength and stiffness then you get 2 big thumbs up from me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeeze View Post
    I had narrowed my selection down to the alu SB66, Banshee Spitfire and Carbon Bronson.
    So you compared it to one of the most overpriced brands around and the one of the most expensive carbon bikes around, then came to the conclusion that it's one of the lower priced bikes around ... right.

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    It´s important to compare Aluminum-Frames, of course. I don´t know for the rest of the World, but Specialized Enduros, Santa Cruz Bronsons/Nomads, Trek Slash/Remedy, Liteville 301/601 - the List goes on - are between 200 and 500 Euros more expensive than Banshee in their Alu-Frame-Offerings in Germany. That´s a lot of Money - for how much Weightsaving on Frame-Only ... ?

    I´m sure Banshee could save more Weight on their Frames, but maybe with a Compromise of Durability, Stiffness and mostly higher Cost due to more expensive Materials/Alloys or Tooling ...

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    When i 1st got the frame i worry about the weight too. I got it build up near 15kg.

    Now after 1 month of riding. I feel the bike climb much better then my lighter weight AM hardtail. Tons of traction at rear wheel on tech slippery uphill section.
    It just keep going as long as you put the power down. Love the feel!

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    5 rides out on mine now. Each time I've pulled it down from the rack I thought to myself "damn that's a heavy piece of kit".

    Then I start riding and that thought quickly evaporates and doesn't cross my mind again until it goes back on the rack.

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    I purchased and rode my Spitty V2 all summer with a relatively selective but affordable build and found that it felt stiffer and more efficient than some lighter offerings (i.e. Giant, Trek, Yeti) that I had ridden before. With the type of aluminum tubing they use this is the first bike I have not dented the down tube in a long time. Though I do occasionally think a lighter bike would be beneficial, I have been hard pressed to find a bike that is lighter with geometry and fit that are is ideal as my banshee. This will be the first bike in five years I ride for more than a season, because I like it that much.

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    I was wondering if anyone had replaced their pivot bearings yet? What size they are, so I can grab some enduro MAX bearings.

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    I don't own one yet but I believe its 4 x 6001 2RS and 4 x 608 2RS. Very easy to source. Its listed earlier on in this thread.

    im interested in this as well as ease of replacement and bearing life are a big deal to me, coming off a 575 that had play after about 4 months of light riding. I could do with knowing if there is a banshee bearing kit available as I don't know how replaceable the pivot pins are for example?

    re the weight debate - is the 2014 spitty still approx. a pound heavier than the 2014rune? this was why I chose the spitty over the rune but it seems its like comparing the weight of a battleship to an aircraft carrier, on paper at least

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    I hope the Spitty is LIGHTER than the Rune...

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    Why should the Spitfire - a Trailbike - with a slimmer Front-Triangle-Tubing, shorter Shock and less Rear-Travel, be heavier than the Rune - a AM-Bike?

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    Don't worry I meant 'lighter'! Haha. Im not that misinformed

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    In case it helps I replaced the bearings in my Prime already, over the summer- I was trying to track down a creak that ended up being my dropper post.

    All the bearings were available off enduroseals.com and were pretty inexpensive. The bearinsg I pulled out were like new, alignment was good, fit was perfect (much improved compared to my proto). The axles showed no signs of wear at all, so unless there's a "mechanical accident" I don't think those would ever need to be replaced.

    I made a $3 bearing puller/press using some 8mm threaded rod, fender washers and nuts. Presses them in perfectly square without loading the races. To remove the bearings, I just added a socket to this tool, which had an ID larger than the bearings OD. Remove washers from the opposite side, and when tightening the nut will pull the bearing out of the frame and up into the socket. Smooth and easy! The only thing to note is that you must do the upper swingarm link bearings idependantly- if you run the press tool through both sides, it could potentially bend the link.

    Make sure to use a torque wrench on the axles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    Don't worry I meant 'lighter'! Haha. Im not that misinformed
    hahaha, I thought so already ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by eightyfive View Post
    When i 1st got the frame i worry about the weight too. I got it build up near 15kg.
    Holy crap man, does your seat have lead railings?!

    That's close to my DH bike weight.

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    did someone want to see a blue 'un?

    can't comment on how it rides as i've not had chance yet but not sure it matters when it looks this pretty ;o)

    my large frame weighs 7 1/4 lbs with 135 dropouts and the fox shock. i'm quite happy with this. i always considered a heckler as a bit of a bench mark for a tough aluminium all mountain bike at 6 1/2 lb. for an extra 3/4 lb i get 3 extra sets of bearings, a lot of adjustability and hopefully a back wheel that follows the front!

    full thing weighs just a fraction over 30 lbs without much weenie-ing.

    seems a shame to get it mucky...

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    Wow the blue looks absolutely stunning! well done mate.

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    That's a beauty... Probably the only color I'd go for over my black one. If I can get down to a hair over 30 I'll be happy!

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    The blue looks great with the black accessories I see you have run the rear der. cable between the upper link and the swingarm. Nice and tidy , there's no chance of it getting pinched in there I hope ?
    (I have nothing better to do than study in detail everyone elses builds while I wait for my Spitty frame haha)

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    The Blue is sooo pretty!

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    @ crazyape
    That is a very nice Spitfire!
    Although I wouldn´t run the Cables between the Link and the Brace but outside of it. I did this first too, and even when the Cables didn´t get pinched, there would be Cable-Rub and unnecessarily more Mud to catch in, so I got the Cable-Routing outside. Since then no "Problems" ...

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    thanks for the kind words people.

    pinky and no style - you don't miss much! i couldn't decide which way to run the cables. couldn't find any examples on here of people running them inside but i couldn't get them to pinch when cycling the suspension on the work stand so what it it came down to was any cable rub wouldn't be visible - what a tart! it does sound like i'll be rerouting them though...

    anyone try routing the final loop to the rear mech inside the frame?

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    No, I have all my Cables outside, because I don´t want to risk Rub, Mud or even Tire-Nobs to catch any of them. Same for the Rear-Derailleur - you need to have a big Bow to prevent the Cassette not eating up the Cable. Exception is the Front-Mech-Routing on mine, which takes a Bow and goes on the Downtube instead under it. The only Contribution of a "cleaner" Look.

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    Hi guys,

    can you tell me what comes with the 2014 frames besides the frame, flip chips and axle?
    I think the 2013 models came with seatpost and seatpost collar too - right?

    I didn't ask my dealer what has been inside - so i don't know it. It's Sunday and i don't wanna bug him with this today.

    What was inside of your 2014er Spitfire boxes if you ordered a frame kit?

    <a href="http://fotos.mtb-news.de/p/1510071"><img src="http://fstatic3.mtb-news.de/f/mr/2u/mr2uc5lk18sg/thumb_Spitfire-002.jpg?0"></a>

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