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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    Is that scale reading 7.15 lbs? Can't tell if that's the current time or weight? Is that a veggie scale or what?
    I read it as 7lbs15.3oz.

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    I just got off of a Yeti SB 66 and the frame weights were actually pretty similar to the Spitfire. My frame was a small and weighed in at 7.5lbs with quick release drop outs, about a 100g heavier with the threw axle. I preferred the stiffness and efficiency of the Yeti over some lighter options, I think stiffness is hard to quantify numerically but makes a significant difference in ride quality especially landing off camber etc. I think the most important thing for a bike is Fit i.e. geometry. The Yeti just had too slack a seat angle climb comfortably on for a long time. I am excited about the Spity because it is stiff with spot on geometry. Mine should be here next week.

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    I read it as 7lbs15.3oz.
    That makes more sense. Just 7/10 shy of 8lbs.

    Weight is kinda of a big deal for a bike in this category. One of the reasons I bought the V1 Spitfire was because of the relatively low weight. I climb the spitfire more than I descend and use it as an XC bike as I'm constantly pedaling all the time. In these situations weight can be an issue as your plugging along rather than ripping along. (The spitfire does rip on the flats, however it is obvious that one can feel a little loss in momentum on the uphill due to the extra weight and the slight pedal feedback that occurred).
    With that said I have a fully dedicated XC bike that is much lighter and faster (trek Superfly 100 29'er), but I was always pulling out the Spitfire for everyday riding as the fun factor was more overall. The climbing was always good with the V1 cause I got the weight pretty low and the descents and trail carving were just way to much fun and made up for its sluggishness on the ups.
    If anything the extra weight will make you a stronger rider in terms of pedaling and endurance. I'm still gonna run my V2 as an XC bike so it will be interesting to see the difference with the added weight which I'm sure will be primarily noticeable on the ascents. The extra weight will probably be noticeable at first and then quickly disappear once I get accustomed.
    I'm hoping the extra weight isn't so noticeable that it takes the fun out of pedaling the bike. Kinda like my wildcard did when I tried to XC the thing. Not fun at all.

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    A simple guess is that a 650b wheel would not fit in the rear with the 26'' dropouts... but maybe it does. Would someone try?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    What argument?
    Don't get me wrong, light bikes are great if there are no compromises taken getting there.
    The spitfire has adjustable drop-outs, those will add weight compared to the simpler designs used by other brands.

    Transition lists the covert as 7.68lb with shock, no adjustable drop-outs. The carbon version is 6.8lbs & $2800. Those are reasonable weights IMO ...

    ... I just don't see much point in getting hung up over <1lb of frame weight, you are getting extra durability, stiffness and adjustability with it. Frame weight doesn't tell you much about how the bike will actually ride.


    Plus: Banshee builds Bikes that are meant to be ridden hard, real hard if you are willing or able to. This inevitably means something more Flesh/Material to achieve the Durability and Stiffness that is needed for this Purpose => a bit more Frame-Weight than average.
    But how much more? Compared to what? What Features included? Prize? Turner 5 Spot? TR Bandit? SC Blur? Liteville 301? Canyon Nerve AM? Intense Trazer? Spezi Stumpjumper? Devinci Dixon? Nicolai Helius AC? Trek Fuel EX/Remedy? any other Aluminum-Frame with 5/5,5" Travel ... ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meekkho View Post
    Hi
    Is that a medium or a small?
    it's a medium (i'm pretty sure)

    this one i think is a large:


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    Yeah that's a large.

    And NoStyle, no bike company makes bikes that aren't made to be ridden hard. That's a crazy argument.. "Ok here is your new Blur LT, now don't go to fast, ride anything off camber, or do any jumps" said no one ever. In this day and age 6lb bikes can be ripped on for years. This isn't 2005 when bikes were breaking all over the place if they weighed less than 8lb, this is 2012 where you can have a 170mm freeride bike weighing in under 30lb, or a 210mm DH bike weighing in at 33 and under.

    But I am tired of beating the dead horse, the Spitfire is heavy for it's category, bottom line. Does it make it worse? Probably not. Does the heavy weight make it better? Probably not. Sure the bike as whole is better than many, but even then that's personal preference, just like wanting a light bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savo View Post
    A simple guess is that a 650b wheel would not fit in the rear with the 26'' dropouts... but maybe it does. Would someone try?
    i think keith mentioned he designed the frame for tonnes of tire/mud clearance, so if you ran a pinner tire you could fit a 650 wheel in with 26" dropouts and keep the backend super short. oh but maybe he was talking about the rune...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    But I am tired of beating the dead horse, the Spitfire is heavy for it's category, bottom line. Does it make it worse? Probably not. Does the heavy weight make it better? Probably not. Sure the bike as whole is better than many, but even then that's personal preference, just like wanting a light bike.
    Maybe save 1/4lb with a quick release fork?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    i think keith mentioned he designed the frame for tonnes of tire/mud clearance, so if you ran a pinner tire you could fit a 650 wheel in with 26" dropouts and keep the backend super short. oh but maybe he was talking about the rune...
    Yes he mentioned it about the Spitty after I questioned all the clearance I saw in a previous picture.

    I am very curious about this as well to see what size if any 650B wheel/tire combo will fit the 26" dropouts. Hopefully someone will give it a shot for kicks and giggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    Is that scale reading 7.15 lbs? Can't tell if that's the current time or weight? Is that a veggie scale or what?
    7 lbs 15. 3 oz.....Just under 8 lbs

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    Just checked UPS, bike sat in Portland for 3 days! Will be here Tuesday non. All parts cleaned prepped and ready to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Yes he mentioned it about the Spitty after I questioned all the clearance I saw in a previous picture.

    I am very curious about this as well to see what size if any 650B wheel/tire combo will fit the 26" dropouts. Hopefully someone will give it a shot for kicks and giggles.
    Nevermind, +2
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    But so would the front...

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    Got my frame and parts ready to build but have to admit I'm having second thoughts about frame size.

    I have a medium and I am 175cm (5'9") tall.

    I think I am ok with most of the numbers, but the reach is 1 3/4" (44.5mm) longer than my med Rune. That seems HUGH. I've been liking a 70mm stem on the Rune, and was going to go to a 60mm on the spity but that is not nearly enough. Not sure how the bike would climb technical single track with a 50mm, but that still seem too long of reach. The WB is quite long too.

    I'm not sure how accurate my rune reach is as I measured it with a level and tape measure. Came out to 381mm. Reach on med Spity in 427mm
    Should I get a small? Any opinions?.....Keith?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Got my frame and parts ready to build but have to admit I'm having second thoughts about frame size.

    I have a medium and I am 175cm (5'9") tall.

    I think I am ok with most of the numbers, but the reach is 1 3/4" (44.5mm) longer than my med Rune. That seems HUGH. I've been liking a 70mm stem on the Rune, and was going to go to a 60mm on the spity but that is not nearly enough. Not sure how the bike would climb technical single track with a 50mm, but that still seem too long of reach. The WB is quite long too.

    I'm not sure how accurate my rune reach is as I measured it with a level and tape measure. Came out to 381mm. Reach on med Spity in 427mm
    Should I get a small? Any opinions?.....Keith?
    If you stick with the medium frame you'd definitely benefit from droping to a 50mm stem (the V2 frames are designed to work better with shorter stems). The reach number shouldn't really be considered on its own. In seated position, the top tube of the V1 and V2 are the same (presuming same parts), but the reach is longer because I have steepened the seat tube on the V2.

    At 5'9" you may benefit from being on a small frame if you generally prefer the feeling of smaller frames, you are close to borderline on sizes, although for all day rides I would still put you on a medium with shorter stem.

    The new frames have a more agressive geometry that helps with weight distribution, so climbing with a short stem is not going to be an issue. Switching to the more forward position may take a couple of rides to get used to, but once you do you'll feel more comfortable at speed and have better front wheel traction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Got my frame and parts ready to build but have to admit I'm having second thoughts about frame size.

    I have a medium and I am 175cm (5'9") tall.

    I think I am ok with most of the numbers, but the reach is 1 3/4" (44.5mm) longer than my med Rune. That seems HUGH. I've been liking a 70mm stem on the Rune, and was going to go to a 60mm on the spity but that is not nearly enough. Not sure how the bike would climb technical single track with a 50mm, but that still seem too long of reach. The WB is quite long too.

    I'm not sure how accurate my rune reach is as I measured it with a level and tape measure. Came out to 381mm. Reach on med Spity in 427mm
    Should I get a small? Any opinions?.....Keith?
    I'm 5'10 and originally had a 70 mm stem on my V1 spitfire. I could have even gone to a 60mm which would have probably helped to liven up the front end. The wheelbase is much longer on the spitfire and helps with climbing. The low front end and seat angle help, too.

    I believe anything over 50mm might hinder maneuverability of the front end on the spitfire because the wheelbase is plenty long (just a guess).

    I'm actually gonna run a 40mm stem on my new V2 due to the slight geo changes and I'm suspecting it will not have any effect on it's climbing potential, but rather make it more lively.

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    Oh yeah, forgot to say my V1 was a medium and my V2 is gonna be a medium.

    I had trouble with sizing between a medium and large when the V1 spitfire came out in 2010. I went with Keith's advice and went with the medium. He was right with his suggestions.

    What stem length do you suggest running on the V2 spitfire, Keith?

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    Stem length is a personal thing, and depends on arm length, riding style, frame size etc, but generally I wouldn't recommend going over 60mm for the V2 frames. Personally when I went from a large spitfire V1 (I'm just over 6'2" and have fairly long arms) with 70mm stem. I went to a large V2 and currently have a 60mm stem with same bars, and I'm considering going to 50mm stem just to make things a touch more lively, as I don't feel I need a 60mm stem to stay comfortable and certainly not to keep the front end down as I have no issues with that.... only you can choose what is best for you.
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    Thanks for your reply's and insight Keith.

    Some of the trails I ride are slow speed tight twisty "black diamond" so a smaller bike might be better, but
    a short stem as you recommend (on these bikes) on a small would make the cockpit too small for seated pedaling for me. If I went with a small I would need a new dropper post as well as mine would be short. I hope with this geometry that the WB wont feel as long as it is on the trails I like to ride. Thanks again, looking forward to get her built up today.

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    Ok, I went to the local bike shop and found a frame. So I weighed it.

    Size medium raw/clear coat comes in at 8.00 lbs exactly with 12x142 dropouts and axle.


    My black frame I ordered still hasn't arrived yet.
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    My black one is sitting at ups. I'll have it Tuesday.

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    8.00 lbs??? Pffff ... thatīs way to heavy, man ...

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    Here is my large spitfire I just built up last night. Super stoked on this bike!
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    ...and i am now officially rethinking my decision to switch to a red frame. but all the colors look good, seems like you can't go wrong. sharp bike joe!

    edit: i was supposed to pick up my frame on friday but showed up late to lights out and locked doors... damn had all the parts laid out and beers on ice to build it this weekend! won't be able to make another pickup run until thursday afternoon, trying to convince my wife to play courier on her lunch break tomorrow

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