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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    UK debacle continues. just been told that no XLs were sent out in this batch, due to an admin cock up apparently, so i'll have to wait another couple of months. thanks banshee
    I've spoken to Ison about this and they are working hard to fix the soluton as soon as possible for you. They know we have spare spitfire XL frames here and have reserved one for you.
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    What do you think about DSP Dueler with Ti spring at Spitty frame? I know that during riding down it will be great, what about going uphill? This shock doesn't have any propedal etc, of course it has LSC and HSC. Is it good or bad idea if I'm looking for plush but effective suspension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I've spoken to Ison about this and they are working hard to fix the soluton as soon as possible for you. They know we have spare spitfire XL frames here and have reserved one for you.
    Thanks Keith. Fair enough - as long as it gets sorted out quick and its getting dealt with. I'm just going nuts not having a trail bike. I'd be grateful if someone could get in touch and give me a fixed date for when it arrives. The second drop date is given as 31/12 but if that gets shifted back I'll just have to give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    Thanks Keith. Fair enough - as long as it gets sorted out quick and its getting dealt with. I'm just going nuts not having a trail bike. I'd be grateful if someone could get in touch and give me a fixed date for when it arrives. The second drop date is given as 31/12 but if that gets shifted back I'll just have to give up
    I just want to chime in here and kind of defend mine (Ison's) and Keith's position on stuff.

    We order frames, Banshee ship, we get a rough date the ship is into port, it takes 5 weeks on the sea, we add a few days for customs, and then we have arrange a day with the freight forwarder to get it, unpack it, check it, and process the shop orders in date order. This takes time. Generally we ship pallets of frames, this takes longer to get through customs, and we have ZERO control over it. We do our best to provide the best date we possibly can to shops, if that slips due to unforeseen circumstances, we can't help that. We tell the shops the best date we can, if they tell you something else, we can't help that.

    We had the frames in on Friday morning, and we managed to turn pretty much all of them around and ship them out the same day, props to our warehouse for that.

    I'm sorry that we are lacking XL frames, we sell very few of these and don't keep a huge amount in stock. We sell almost 10 to 1 on all other frame sizes to XL.

    We have more frames shipping next week, which should put them to us at the end of December all being well, but I cannot promise that or give you a fixed date for all of the reasons I listed above until it gets closer.

    We do our best to keep you all happy in the UK with the best service and stock possible. I apologise if you feel let down, but remember that there is 4 sizes of Spitfire, 3 colours, 3 shock options, and 4 drop-out options, this makes stock pretty entertaining to handle.

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    And, kind of in support for Ison as well. There are guys like me that we're lucky and got our frames early, in our pleasure we post them on the forum for all to see which a means for those of you still waiting for your frames it seems that much more insulting knowing that others already have theirs. My country's dealer had one order for the Spitfire, mine. So it was posted from the factory instead of shipped so I got mine early for this reason.

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    I'm just placing an order for my groupset. With the XX1 cranks do I want BB30 or GXP? I have no idea what either are it just has that as an option where I am buying them from.

    Thank you

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    GXP

    But make sure that you know what you are doing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steeeze View Post
    I'm just placing an order for my groupset. With the XX1 cranks do I want BB30 or GXP? I have no idea what either are it just has that as an option where I am buying them from.

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    Ok, so I've ordered myself a large 2014 spitfire. Should arrive this late week.
    My build is pretty well ready to go, however I'm a little concerned as my fork has a lower than recommended axle to crown. I have a 150mm revelation with an axle to crown of 530mm, 15mm lower than ideal. I've searched for an EC56 lower headset cup, but all I can find is the cane creek Angleset, which I'm frankly just not willing to pay for.
    Does anyone know of an alternative to the Angleset, at the moment I'm going to be running a larger front tire to attempt to correct the deficit, but would love to get hold of an EC56 lower cup.

    Once again, all help appreciated.

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    Born on the Shore - The Banshee Bikes Blog: Spitfire Headset Options

    Are these headtube specs out of date then ? Says 49.61 bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Born on the Shore - The Banshee Bikes Blog: Spitfire Headset Options

    Are these headtube specs out of date then ? Says 49.61 bottom
    This is for the v1. V2 uses :

    Top: ZS44/28.6
    Bottom: ZS56/40

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    Mine's being brought to me, in about 30 mins time - huzzaaah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Mine's being brought to me, in about 30 mins time - huzzaaah!
    Please post photos on arrival! I've been picturing my excitement when the courier rocks up at my door with a bike box.

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    Loooong day in the office, I just got home and only had time to do this before I now collapse in bed.



    Build's going to have to be done later on during the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcj View Post
    I just want to chime in here and kind of defend mine (Ison's) and Keith's position on stuff.

    We order frames, Banshee ship, we get a rough date the ship is into port, it takes 5 weeks on the sea, we add a few days for customs, and then we have arrange a day with the freight forwarder to get it, unpack it, check it, and process the shop orders in date order. This takes time. Generally we ship pallets of frames, this takes longer to get through customs, and we have ZERO control over it. We do our best to provide the best date we possibly can to shops, if that slips due to unforeseen circumstances, we can't help that. We tell the shops the best date we can, if they tell you something else, we can't help that.

    We had the frames in on Friday morning, and we managed to turn pretty much all of them around and ship them out the same day, props to our warehouse for that.

    I'm sorry that we are lacking XL frames, we sell very few of these and don't keep a huge amount in stock. We sell almost 10 to 1 on all other frame sizes to XL.

    We have more frames shipping next week, which should put them to us at the end of December all being well, but I cannot promise that or give you a fixed date for all of the reasons I listed above until it gets closer.

    We do our best to keep you all happy in the UK with the best service and stock possible. I apologise if you feel let down, but remember that there is 4 sizes of Spitfire, 3 colours, 3 shock options, and 4 drop-out options, this makes stock pretty entertaining to handle.
    Thanks Pat, I appreciate the difficulties and variables etc and see that you've done a good job in turning round the first UK shipment. re UK distribution just to let anyone know who's bothered - Ison have stepped up and sorted my frame out now so should have it built up next week and riding soon. Lets just hope the crappy UK winter holds off for a bit

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    @Fingerbanger that's great news you're going to be riding soon.

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    Hello All

    Been a long time lurker here on this forum and thought it was about time I contributed.

    Been waiting for my Spitfire frame for quite some time so was pretty excited to pick it up on Monday. I've started the build but I'm waiting for a few drive train bits to arrive before I can finish her off.

    One thing some of you may be interested in is that for the time being I'm going to be running my new 650b Pikes with my old 26 inch wheels. As you can see they just look normal, albeit with good clearance. A2C is the same as 160mm Fox 34's give or take.







    The brown saddle is just for testing, I'm waiting for a black and blue Charge Scoop

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    Definitely is nice in blue. Looks like you've a nice build on its way. Pics when complete please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    ... Ison have stepped up and sorted my frame out now so should have it built up next week and riding soon. Lets just hope the crappy UK winter holds off for a bit
    Oh yes, that´s pretty good news and I feel happy for you - the Wait is over! Hope you enjoy the Ride - and please post Pics!

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    Seems I was being a a whinger - with some careful consideration to the spec, without actually going all weight weenie, she's come in at a very respectable weight.

    Really awful pics since I'm pulling in some shitty long days at work and only have a little bit of time at night to build it.





    I did forget to put the front rotor on in that weight pic, so I hung it on as well - and it came to 29.23 lbs

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    Hey Supercow , how did the medium size frame work out for you ? Happy with it ?

    In other news , still waiting for my frame............

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Seems I was being a a whinger - with some careful consideration to the spec, without actually going all weight weenie, she's come in at a very respectable weight.
    HOW? Mine is 30.43 lbs with 26" carbon rims, XTR pedals, XX1 and DBAir. I cannot go more WW on this without going for no dropper and silly brakes and disks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp View Post
    HOW? Mine is 30.43 lbs with 26" carbon rims, XTR pedals, XX1 and DBAir. I cannot go more WW on this without going for no dropper and silly brakes and disks.
    Medium Anodised frame (is your's painted?)
    BOS Deville forks
    Reverb
    CCDBair CS
    Formula R1 brakes, 180mm rotors
    Spank Oozy 26AL EVO (27.5") with Nobby Nic and Hans Dampf combo
    Thompson Elite stem (50mm)
    Production Priveé LG bars (being replaced by Raceface Sixc bars when they show up)
    Raceface N/W ring
    SDG - Falcon Ti-Alloy Rail Saddle
    XTR shifter
    Zee mech
    XX casette
    Truvativ X.0 DH cranks (165mm)
    Hope Headset
    Raceface grips
    Superstar Mag CNC Pedals
    KMC SL 10 chain

    So my major parts are light, but can be a tad lighter.
    The wheels are surprisingly light for such burly wheels, but my brakes are super light. The little bits then count - pedals are fractionally lighter etc.

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    Thanks.
    My spec:
    Large, painted blue frame
    Lyrik Solo Air with AVA cartridge (heavier)
    DBAir CS
    X0 Trail brakes (200/180 rotors) (heavier)
    1500 g Light Bicycle/Hope/Revo carbon rimmed wheels
    full XX1
    Syntace Vector and Megaforce 2 cockpit
    Gravity dropper Turbo LP
    SDG Duster
    Works Angleset
    Renthal Lock On grips
    Nobby Nic Evo TSC 2.4" front
    Hans Dampf Evo TSC 2.35 rear
    Stan's Tubeless setup with tape
    XTR M970 pedals
    142x12 dropouts

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    Yea, so there's quite a bit in there heavier than mine - the frame and paint itself will be a lot, same with the forks and the dropper too.

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    The GD is actually fairly light...

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    I don't know how you can have such a light bike. Mine, a 2013 medium painted frame, is about 31 lbs

    Here my build :

    CCDB air
    RS sektor
    Hope hoops Archives EX with Hans Dampf front and rear
    Zee brakes
    X0 rear der and shifters
    X0 front shifters and X7 front der
    RS Reverb
    Truvativ AKA Stem
    Dartmoor Nitro handlebar
    Race Face Deus XC drivetrain
    Nukeproof pedals

    I know it's not the lightest build, but it's reliable. Thinking to change the drivetrain for 1x10, but I need some more range and not a ghetto solution. I'm also thinking to change the rear tire fore a Maxxis ikon or Crossmark. But that will be for the summer. Such a tire in winter in Switzerland would be like a suicide....


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    Another pic from me showing last nights progress

    All is pretty much good to go apart from one important job that I'm not looking forward to! Measure once cut twice isn't it.....

    Not too bothered how much it weighs but it feels "solid"


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    Done, measured twice, then once more. Marked with tape and set to work with the hack saw.... Seems to of done the job. Just got to decide where to go on my shake down ride tomorrow...

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    Can people sum up how great theirs are so i can justify buying one?

    After a reasonably efficient bike i can rag.

    What are the anti-squat and brake jack values at approx 25% sag, 34t chainring, middle of a typical cassette?

    There's a rough model on linkage, just after a bit of verification?

    What are they like for bottoming out? Good resistance?

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    Hahaha, how great is great ... ???

    Seriously - I don´t care too much about Anti-Squat. If it pedals without any Pedal-Kickback and very minimal bobbing (without Platform-Damping!!!) Suspension I´m fine. Some Riders, coming from the V1 and able to compare, have said the Pedal-Kickback is very much not noticable. I personally has never experienced one during this Season.

    Same for Brake-Squat or Brake-Jack - All I feel is still ongoing smooth Traction and Suspension-Action when being hard on the rear Brake, lock-out Wheel or not.

    Bottoming out is possibly something what depends on your Shock and Setup. For the CCDB´s there are several Airchamber-Volume-Reducer coming with the Shock. If the Travel feels too linear for your Liking put some Spacers in to get it more progressive in the last Quarter of Travel. This can be done by yourself, at least for the CCDB-Air. I don´t know for the other Shocks ...

    The KS-Link feels very "neutral" to me. It´s the very first Short-Link-Design I like, because it excels well in every Aspect, feels more lively and more direct Feedback compared to some others. Very subtle on small Bumps, wide Midstroke, ramps up nicely and very plush overall.
    Geometry and Sizing is the more important Part for me and it´s why I love the Spitfire so much. Very long, low and slack on Paper. But a lot more playfull and nimble than Numbers will tell you. Some are concerned because of the higher Frame-Weight. I never have the Feel the Spitfire, as a whole Bike, rides heavy or sluggish at all ...

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    Well, for what it's worth - the bike once again reminded me that I also fall into the trap of being overly academic about all the little details at times. Anti squat, effective toptubes, BB heigh, frame weight ... the lost goes on.

    I got on the bike today for the first time, and didn't stop grinning - it was just a f*cking hoot to ride. It's long, low and slack, it pedals well.

    Demo one, set it up like you would ride it and the bike will speak for itself.

    Crappy pic of mine today:




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    Nice one, how was the low bb? Any issues? I see you had it slacked out. Where did you go riding? It'd weird how in that last photo the HA looks steep

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    Nice one, how was the low bb? Any issues? I see you had it slacked out. Where did you go riding? It'd weird how in that last photo the HA looks steep
    Yea set it in the murder setting!
    I went to Swinley Forest in Bracknell - just a trail centre with very manmade "homogenized" tracks. Good fun day out, just to get the feel of the sizing, suspension, bigger wheels and the like. Felt so fantastic everywhere, especially with the CDBair and the Deville working great together.

    Went to Woburn Sands today, which is quite loose, loamy, sandy, jumpy type tracks - wanted to get the suspension dialled in a bit more - and there's plenty of very short, varying runs to give me a good idea.

    Took a few vids:
    Woburn Sands | Banshee Spitfire V2 teasting - YouTube

    The spitty is the black in front - apart from the last section where it's just me.

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    Very nice Trail! And yes - BOS Deville and CCDB-Air are a great Combination. The Factory-Setting of the Deville, with the right Air-Pressure, felt great right out of the Box. So much that I keep it in this Setting, because I didn´t found something better. Just awesome as it is.

    Due to the HA - it might be Camera-Perspective. The HA is actually slacker than shown. It´s more like this:


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    Hate to continue the dead horse beating here, but I've seen a lot of questions on sizing between M and L. Some of you guys that were on the edge have followed up with your thoughts and some haven't. I did put an order in for a Large this weekend, but I'm sure I can call tomorrow and change that if needed. I'm 5' 10" (179 cm) and probably close to 250 with gear. My current hardtail is a 22" (55.9 cm) top tube (but the stem is LONG at 120mm) and 19.5 (49.3 cm) seat tube, with about 8" (203 mm) extended out of the frame of a 375mm post of which 285mm is usable, to be at my desired height for XC stuff.

    I'm concerned that with the medium I'm going to have very little (near minimum) seatpost insertion, but the TT on the large may be too much. I did ride my buddies 13 rune large over the weekend, and while its totally different from what I have (2000 trek 820, I'm making a big step here!) it felt good. I believe he has a 70mm stem on it. I have a 50 spec'd on the spitty right now. Am I going nuts right now over nothing, or should I go M?

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    Go with the large. Slightly too big bike is always better than slightly too small. Better to play it safe.

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    I reckon large - you can always run an even shorter stem (35mm spank comes to mind)

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    sorry to go into bb height again, youll have to bear with me. Its just that I intend to run my spitty at slack setting and 26 wheels so 13 inch BB height. How is this affected by sag? still concerned that I could be plagued by rock strikes and by then the frame won't be returnable. Im not happy getting an angleset, increasing wheel size, shortening crank arms etc so the only option is to run it steep which I don't fancy doing.

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    Do you ride on particularly rocky trails, I use my spitfire in the medium setting with 26in wheels and 175mm cranks. I get the occasional pedal strike but not that often, I'm used to riding bikes with low bb though. I rode my spitfire at a local bike park yesterday where I would normally have used my dh bike and i was impressed with how it coped!

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    yeah I do ride on pretty rocky trails - peak district and Yorkshire dales. It's large rocks and steep climbs. I've not had a demo and just waiting for my frame so fretting about this and that. Its difficult to know without riding. Im also going to be running a 1x10 set up for the first time, with a 33t chain ring so if im climbing with a high gear im thinking that I can 'ratchet' the gears and avoid pedal strikes. Too much time on my hands and not enough riding is what's wrong here

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    Aye too much thinking not enough riding! I use 1x9 34/34 and it is fine for all of the Scottish trail centre climbs there is nothing there I can't climb with those gears, for the big mountain stuff up north I push/carry up anyway. I got this bike last jan before there was any real reviews or a distibuter in this country so had no real idea what to expect... I just emailed Keith with lots of questions and took his advice that I would love the frame and it was true.. The best frame I've ridden by a long shot!
    How does the bb height compare to your current bike do you get many rock strikes just now? I'm not familiar with the area you ride, up here the trails I ride are steep rooty hand cut forest and the bike seems to love it, it's also really good on the smooth trail centre surfaces where you can hammer the berms!

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    Thanks for the responses guys. It's a done deal now, should have it the week of Christmas, sure will be a nice gift to myself! Not a crazy build since the only parts transferring over from the old ride will be pedals, but should fit my riding style and terrain well.

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    As for the BB, I think you will be able to compensate. I'm running 175mm in the medium setting and rarely have a pedal strike even on rocky or rooty climbs and have never hung up a pedal on a downhill. I do think that I've grown more aware of where my pedals are since I've been riding really low BB bikes for years though... One nice thing is that this bike stays up in its travel really well compared to others I've had and I think this makes for fewer strikes than one might expect given the geo.

    Bottom line, another vote for "don't worry about it, you'll love it."

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    Hey folks! Reading all of your replies has got me excited about building up my spitfire. I'm hoping to get it down to near 28lb, but that may be more of a challenge after reading some of the recent weight postings. I'll try and get some pix up this weekend if my fork arrives from qbp this week.

    Here's what I'm looking at:

    Med, ano black spitfire w/ fox float CTD
    Syntace 32h w30 wheels' 27.5, 142x12
    150mm rock shox pike
    Works components -1 degree headset
    Race face turbine stem 60mm
    Race race next sl carbon bars 725mm
    Sram XO1 drivetrain grey/black, 175 mm cranks, 32t
    2.25 hans dampf, will run tubeless, opted for the 2.25s given the wide inner width of the rims
    Race face atlas pedals
    Reverb
    Wtb volt slt
    Shimano xt brakes, 180mm f/r

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    725mm bars?!

    Your elbows will be touching!

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    my 2014 ano black spitfire just got shipped!

    i still have my 2013 ano black spitfire...can't wait to do a weight comparison.

    any guesses to what the weight difference is going to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    my 2014 ano black spitfire just got shipped!

    i still have my 2013 ano black spitfire...can't wait to do a weight comparison.

    any guesses to what the weight difference is going to be?
    Jesus, I thought I was a weenie

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    Jesus, I thought I was a weenie
    ha! thats offensive! My build was 33 lbs this past season. and that bike owned virtually all the carbon bikes in the PNW enduro scene.

    only reason i posted that is because i heard they are claiming up to half a pound weight savings between '13 and '14.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haus Boss View Post
    Hey folks! Reading all of your replies has got me excited about building up my spitfire. I'm hoping to get it down to near 28lb, but that may be more of a challenge after reading some of the recent weight postings. I'll try and get some pix up this weekend if my fork arrives from qbp this week.

    Here's what I'm looking at:

    Med, ano black spitfire w/ fox float CTD
    Syntace 32h w30 wheels' 27.5, 142x12
    150mm rock shox pike
    Works components -1 degree headset
    Race face turbine stem 60mm
    Race race next sl carbon bars 725mm
    Sram XO1 drivetrain grey/black, 175 mm cranks, 32t
    2.25 hans dampf, will run tubeless, opted for the 2.25s given the wide inner width of the rims
    Race face atlas pedals
    Reverb
    Wtb volt slt
    Shimano xt brakes, 180mm f/r
    2.25 Hans Dampf ? Is it not only in 2.35 available ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    2.25 Hans Dampf ? Is it not only in 2.35 available ?
    The 650B/27.5 HD is also available in 2.25, but not with the SuperGravity Compound, only PaceStar and TrailStar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jlf.ski.bike.sail View Post
    my 2014 ano black spitfire just got shipped!

    i still have my 2013 ano black spitfire...can't wait to do a weight comparison.

    any guesses to what the weight difference is going to be?
    Hmmm ... no Decals and slightly less Welding ... 40-80 Gramms?!? Hahaha, anyway, it´s up to you to measure and find out ...

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    we should start an over under.

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    My med ano black spitfire w/ Fox float CTD, 142x12 dropouts and seatpost collar (did not include axle when weighing) weighed in at 7 lb 9oz.

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    I could go wider, but there's a lot of trails that weave through tight corridors of brush and low hanging trees where I live.

    The difference between 760 and 725 bars is only 1.37 inches, I think I'll be able to survive

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    Managed to snap a quick pic of my Spitty before a fairly rapid decent off Moel Famau.

    Loving this bike!


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    How are the 26 wheels in the 650b pikes? Do you have 26 dropouts or the 650b ones? Hope your liking your bike I've had mine since January and its amazing will be keeping this one for a while!

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    I'm running 26 inch drops as I'm gonna be sticking with my wheels for a bit of time yet. Nice to have the option to go bigger in the future though, but for the moment it's nice to have the back end shorter

    Having only ridden the bike with the 650b forks I can't make any comparison but they feel great, especially combined with the CCDB. Definitely no quirks from having slightly smaller wheels, just I nice amount of mud clearance.

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    I have some 09 van 36 and the DBair its an amazing combo, would have liked the DBair cs but it wasn't available at the time. I add a few clicks of compression/rebound for climbing anyway but it would have been handy just to flick a switch instead of using the tool. It is really good shock though! The grip that you get in corners is incredible your gonna love this bike.

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    Yeah, I have the CS and I find I use it quite a bit. It just removes the small amount of bob you get when spinning a low gear.

    The 150mm 650b pike has almost the same axle to crown length as the 160mm Fox 34's so the geometry is as intended, albeit with more options.

    Great bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    The 650B/27.5 HD is also available in 2.25, but not with the SuperGravity Compound, only PaceStar and TrailStar.

    To be more precise, it 'sa vai labile only in pace star compound the 27.5

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    Looks like Terminator!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krj View Post
    To be more precise, it 'sa vai labile only in pace star compound the 27.5
    Uh no sorry, seems like we were both wrong. 2.25 is Trailstar only, which is the Tires I´m running:

    57-584 (27.5 x 2.25, 650B), SnakeSkin, TL-Ready, TrailStar, Black

    60-584 (27.5 x 2.35, 650B), SnakeSkin, TL-Ready, PaceStar, Black
    60-584 (27.5 x 2.35, 650B), SnakeSkin, TL-Ready, TrailStar, Black
    60-584 (27.5 x 2.35, 650B), Super Gravity, TL-Ready, TrailStar, Black

    Thought there were both PaceStar and Trailstar, as my local Shop was able to get the 650B 2.25 Pacestar in February, while I had to wait for the TrailStar-Compound till late April.
    Possibly PaceStar was only a small released Batch alternative to RacingRalphs or NobbyNics at the Beginning of the Year?!?

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    Hey guys, I need to change my complete drivetrain, after the winter. Does anybody already installed an XX1 or X01 group set on a Spitfire V2. I read somewhere that with some frames, with the chain on the 10 teeth sprocket, it come in contact with the chainstay...


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    Hey guys, I need to change my complete drivetrain, after the winter. Does anybody already installed an XX1 or X01 group set on a Spitfire V2. I read somewhere that with some frames, with the chain on the 10 teeth sprocket, it come in contact with the chainstay...

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    I run XX1 on my spitfire with 142x12 hub and 26" dropouts with 34 tooth chainring and have zero issues. Works well for me in all gears.
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    So I finally picked up the frame and built it up.
    It's a keeper.


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    Frame - 2014 Banshee spitfire, Large, Stealth Black, 140mm
    Rear shock - 2014 Fox Float CTD, Kashima
    Front shock/fork - 2012 Rock Shox Revelation RLT, Dual Air, 150mm
    Handlebars - 2014 Race Face Sixc Carbon, 760mm
    Stem - 2014 Kore Repute, 35mm
    Headset - Banshee zero stack
    Grips - ODI Ruffian lockon
    Saddle - Specialized Phenom
    Seatpost - Thomson Elite
    Front brake - Saint
    Rear brake - Saint
    Cranks - Truvativ Descendant
    Chainguide - E13 SS+
    Chain - Sram 1091 hollowpin
    Pedals - Po1nt Racing Podium
    Front derailleur - N/A
    Rear derailleur - Sram X0 short
    Front shifter - N/A
    Rear shifter - Sram X0 10spd
    Cassette - XT 11-36
    Front hub - Shimano XT 15mm
    Rear hub - Hadley
    Front rim - Syncros DS28
    Rear rim - Syncros DS28
    Spokes - DT Swiss Competition
    Nipples - DT Swiss Prolock
    Tyres - F: Conti Trail king 2.4 R: Schwalbe Nobby Nick 2.2
    Tubes - XC
    Total weight - Currently 13.9KG

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    I run XX1 on my spitfire with 142x12 hub and 26" dropouts with 34 tooth chainring and have zero issues. Works well for me in all gears.
    Thanks for your answer. Did you already tried a smaller chainring ? like a 28 teeth ? I need it because of my poor condition and the trails here in Switzerland, in the Alps, are quite steep.

    What's about the chainline and the Q.Factor of the Spitfire ? I could not find any info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    Thanks for your answer. Did you already tried a smaller chainring ? like a 28 teeth ? I need it because of my poor condition and the trails here in Switzerland, in the Alps, are quite steep.

    What's about the chainline and the Q.Factor of the Spitfire ? I could not find any info.
    I haven't personally ever tried below 34 tooth, but I know people have run as low as 30teeth without an issue... maybe someone on here runs 28 and can help confirm it works, it should be fine.

    You need the wide Q factor cranks (Narrow ones are only good for weedy XC bikes). I wouldn't worry too much about chainline, ideal chainline changes by about 4mm as soon as you change gear. aim for somewhere around 51mm and you'll be fine.
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    For what it's worth, my 32T is fine too.

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    I'll ask again...

    Is there a safe way to remove the white lettering from a 2013 V2 ano black spit?

    I just love the stealth version...

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    Here's my new frame at last! A 2014 blue XL spitfire. This is as far as I got with the build today, a fair amount of time was spent just heli taping:





    Db air cs, 160 lyrik dual air, hope tech m4, DT swiss on hope pro 2, reverb 125mm, slx 33 x 11/36, hope top only chain guide, hope headset, Kore repute 50mm stem, east on haven bars (711), crap tyres, zee clutch mech

    I've a quick ride down the driveway and as expected the stack height is very low so I needed to find some bodgey spacers lying round the garage. I thought my steerer was really short at about 190mm but there was loads rising out the headtube. Ill have to get some high rise bars so will prob get some Kore mega at 38mm rise or nukeproof warhead. I've also lost my hope lever clamp on the rear brake so I've had to cable tie that until I can get hold of another or just use a spare avid. Loads of my gear is lost as just moving house.

    I'll get the cables and gearing sorted on Saturday morning and them get riding. Probably in a time trial body position due to the low stack!
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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Made an update to my build the other night .I swapped the duel ring 2x10 with e13 chain device and slx shadow + long cage rear mech for a race face narrow wide front ring with zee shadow+ short cage rear mech.

    Im very happy with the result , I lost 680gms in wieght!! The bike now wieghs 30.5 pounds bang on and the race face ring seems to work great and looks trick matching the rest of my race face finishing kit

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    Hey builttoride or anyone else help me out. would the xo1 crank be wide enough to fit on the spitty im not sure on the qfactor, all i can find is that it is wide on the sram site? im 99.9% positive they are the same and should fit, otherwise yeah ill go xx1

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    Hi,
    you need the one with the q-factor 168. I think the X01 is only available with the wider factor.

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    Yup, X01 cranks will be fine. They only come in the wide 168mm Q factor.
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    cool thanks guys. off to spend ca$h!

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    Frame finally arrived and built


    001 by spinnerpics1, on Flickr

    Frame - Banshee Spitfire 2014. Medium. Black anodized.
    Rear shock - Fox CTD
    Fork - Fox 36 talas 160
    Bars - Spank Oozy
    Stem - Easton Haven
    Headset - Hope
    Grips - Odi Troy Lee
    Saddle - Selle SMP Avant
    Seatpost - KS Dropzone
    Brakes - Formula RX. 180mm.
    Cranks - XT M785
    Chain - SLX
    Pedals - Deity Decoy
    Front derailleur - X9
    Rear derailleur - X9 mid cage
    Shifters - XO
    Cassette - XT 11 - 36
    Wheels - Mavic Crossmax XL. 26"
    Tyres - F: Schwalbe Hans Dampf. 2.35 Trailstar.
    R: Maxxis Highroller 2.35 60a
    Nukeproof chainstay protector
    Ti and alloy fasteners from Probolt
    Jagwire Ripcord cable kit
    Total weight - 14.02 kgs

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    Ah there it is!
    Nice Picture that shows the great aggressive but playful Geometry the Spitty has.

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    Here’s mine on its first proper ride yesterday.
    I ran it in the slackest setting and the low BB just wasn’tan issue; I could take on a steep rocky climbs and completely avoid pedalstrikes. All my concerns were quickly banished.
    its climbing ability is what blew me away; the rear endtracking was spot on with tonnes of traction and I was running a 33 t singlechain ring for the first time and very steep tech was no problem at all. Like a mountain goat.
    Downhill wise I think I was held back by a poor cockpit setup. I wasn’t running enough spacersbeneath the stem and my front end was a bit too low. I had 10 deg rise bars as well. More spacers and high rise bars are probablywhats needed. My weight felt a bit toofar forward. Ill have to tweak that butdon’t want to lose the low slung, front traction feel of the frame. I think I can get away with wide bars as thereach wasn’t as long as I thought (im 6ft 3).<o></o>[/SIZE]
    I was running the DB air at 15mm sag and 180 psi (im 14stone/89kg), which is the recommended base tune, but found that it was runningthrough its travel a bit too often to be honest. I was riding a quite flat trail centre. The low speed action was spot on but I felt Iwas bottoming out even though there were no real drop offs. I spose more tinkering with the hsc is whatsneeded.<o></o>
    So steep rocky chutes felt a bit sketchy as my weight wastoo far forward and the shock needs a tweak. Im sure it wasn’t a limitation with the 140 travel and hopefully I canget the shock to feel bottomless or at least give the feeling of more travelwhen its needed. On the other hand, thebike was easy to get airborne, and was really playful on jump sections. Being able to pump the terrain to carry speedwas what I wanted from the shorter travel and that’s I got.<o></o>
    Over the next few weeks I’ll be getting new bars, shortchainring bolts so I can ditch the bashguard and a fair amount of shocktweaking (its become like an MBUK long term review now
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    ...excuse the text - that's what happens when you copy and paste from a word doc (im at work so can't be seen typing into websites)

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    Sounds like you'd benefit from adding some volume reduction spacers to the shock... it's a very easy 2 minute tooless job once the shock is off the bike and pressure released.
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    I'm seeing this more and more and just have to wonder, WHY??? If you're not fit and have lots of climbing, stick to a proper double ring setup, simple, easy, effective, but Oooops, not the latest blingy, bling bling Hadn't seen XX1 in person until Friday and all seeing it in person did was reconfirm my being unimpressed by it, it's huge price tag and fugliness, and shifting wasn't anything better than any other 9 or 10 spd setup I've experienced so far, actually was much harder as you got to that monster big cog, but I guess people have to say it shifts superbly to justify the ludicrous amount they spent on it
    Quote Originally Posted by Samos View Post
    Thanks for your answer. Did you already tried a smaller chainring ? like a 28 teeth ? I need it because of my poor condition and the trails here in Switzerland, in the Alps, are quite steep.

    What's about the chainline and the Q.Factor of the Spitfire ? I could not find any info.
    One day your life will flash before your eyes, will it be worth watching??

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    Quote Originally Posted by builttoride View Post
    Sounds like you'd benefit from adding some volume reduction spacers to the shock... it's a very easy 2 minute tooless job once the shock is off the bike and pressure released.
    thanks Keith, I didn't get any spacers with the frame, I spose they're sold separately?

    Ill probably just reduce sag to 13mm (for what its worth) and increase HSC slightly and then fine tune rebound. Now that Im back trail riding hopefully im due to lose some weight anyway - just as soon as xmas is out of the way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbanger View Post
    ... I was running the DB air at 15mm sag and 180 psi (im 14stone/89kg), which is the recommended base tune, but found that it was running through its travel a bit too often to be honest ... The low speed action was spot on but I felt I was bottoming out even though there were no real drop offs. I supose more tinkering with the hsc is whats needed ...
    Yep, as Keith has already mentioned: More Volume Reduction Spacers should solve that Problem.

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    The shock ships with volume spacers in s amslal bag, so it's worth checking with the shop that you got the frame from, as they may have accidently forgotten to give you the bag.
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    I'm a bit confused and irritated - hopefully I'm just being dumb but does a Reverb Stealth work with the Spitfire?

    The Reverb stealth has a "Connectamajig" beneath the post, which allows you to easily detach and reattach the hose. See attached image:



    The silver end stays on the hose, the clever back thing in the middle between the hose attachment and post insert, joins it together. The silver end on the hose however does not fit through the stealth hole

    I'm assuming that, to thread the hose through the hole, I need to cut and bleed the hose.
    The question is - which side do I cut? I assume I should cut the lever side, but how would I go about threading the hose through then, given I'll need to thread it top down?

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    Quote Originally Posted by supercow View Post
    ....... how would I go about threading the hose through then, given I'll need to thread it top down?
    Get a thin piece of wire (around 1mm diameter), thread it through the hole in the seat tube and out the top. Attach it to your reverb hose , (possibly poke it up the middle where the fluid runs ?) and secure with some electrical/duct tape. Pull the wire back down through the seat tube hole , bringing the hose with it. Use a small amount of tape and pull it on tight to keep the connection slim and easy to get through the hole. You may even be able to do it without the tape , just using the wire to help guide the hose through the hole.

    That's how I used to feed rear der cables through the swingarm of my Orange 5.

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    Read the previous manual! Or this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp View Post
    Read the previous manual! Or this thread
    Thanks for your valuable input, much appreciated. 48 pages worth - yep definitely easy to find what I'm after - and what "previous" manual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinky View Post
    Get a thin piece of wire (around 1mm diameter), thread it through the hole in the seat tube and out the top. Attach it to your reverb hose , (possibly poke it up the middle where the fluid runs ?) and secure with some electrical/duct tape. Pull the wire back down through the seat tube hole , bringing the hose with it. Use a small amount of tape and pull it on tight to keep the connection slim and easy to get through the hole. You may even be able to do it without the tape , just using the wire to help guide the hose through the hole.

    That's how I used to feed rear der cables through the swingarm of my Orange 5.
    Cheers dude, I ended up giving up and taking it to the LBS

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    Thread the post as a 2013 and earlier is done. Hence previous manual. Problem solved. Think I read builtorride commented on this in this or the Rune V2 thread.

    Anyway: it is supereasy and should only require minimal bleeding of the lever only. Connectamajig is for easy seat removal, not easy installation as far as I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hssp View Post
    Thread the post as a 2013 and earlier is done. Hence previous manual. Problem solved.
    English is my first language but I don't understand what you are trying to say here. It doesn't make sense.

    Just so you know.

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    Thread the hose as in the manual:
    http://cdn.sram.com/cdn/farfuture/hT...rb_stealth.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoStyle View Post
    Hmmm ... for 26 Wheels the Spitfire´s Chainstays vary from 427 to 431 mm - which IS short. Ok, add 10 mm for 650B may not remain really short, but is still shorter than some others. Plus 650Bs do fit in the 26 Dropouts with Tires up to 2.3 ...
    I think the chainstay length is good, but combined with slack headangle and steepish seat angle (all of which I like btw), the combo results in a longish wheelbase. Do you guys feel the Spitfire has that long, stable, freight train, plow over things feel (at the expense of nimbleness)? I experimented with a 29er trail bike with this characteristic and didn't care for it. I was actually faster on most descents, but felt like I was just along for the ride in a sense. The Spitfire looks like a really nice ride, and I see all the love for it on this forum, so I wanted to see what people here thought about this factor.

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    Difficult and subjective question to answer.
    The Spitty feels like a pocket rocket and has a "DH bike that can pedal uphill well" feel to it.

    It's fast, stable and nice and snappy out of corners - so for me personally it feels nimble as hell without the skittishness that a lot of other bikes have.

    I've not ridden it extensively just yet, but I have played with the CCDBair settings, and have made it quite lively as a result. Mine does stick to the ground, unless I'm intending for it to jump - which is does incredibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by So Cal RX View Post
    I think the chainstay length is good, but combined with slack headangle and steepish seat angle (all of which I like btw), the combo results in a longish wheelbase. Do you guys feel the Spitfire has that long, stable, freight train, plow over things feel (at the expense of nimbleness)? I experimented with a 29er trail bike with this characteristic and didn't care for it. I was actually faster on most descents, but felt like I was just along for the ride in a sense. The Spitfire looks like a really nice ride, and I see all the love for it on this forum, so I wanted to see what people here thought about this factor.
    The Spitfire´s Geometry is NOT like the average Trailbike, with 68 Deg HA, shorter Wheelbase, super lightweight. Instead it offers full low and slack Enduro-Geometry combined with shorter/reduced Travel. This is what makes the Spitfire so unique.
    Yes, Reach and Wheelbase are on the long Side, but the Rest is not. The Rear-End is short, SA steep which results in a moderate Toptube-Length.
    The KS-Link feels very active, lively and poppy, but can glue to ground with bottomless Suspension at the same Time.
    There is so much personal Preference ... to me, the medium Frame I have owned first was super nimble, poppy, playfull, almost as much as my Wildcard, which is a Shorttravel-Freeridebike. The large I have now is still nimble, but more confidence-inspiring on fast or really steep technical Terrain.
    So I would like to describe it like this:
    A longer Bike is NOT less nimble, it´s simply less nervous.

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    I would agree with NoStyle. Its still a nimble and fun loving bike. But at the same time it is stable and gives you the confidence to push your skills to the edge. I honestly feel its making me into a better rider, after 1 month I feel much more comfortable, more confident, than and willing to push myself harder and faster that before.

    I am usually quite critical of my bikes. but I can't think of a single negative about the Spitfire so far. Reading through this thread you'll not find any other complaint apart from the warranted weight (this extra heft contributes to the solidity of the frame and the stability), this weight bothers some. If thats not a concern to you then you need to place an order as soon as possible, you will not regret it.

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    Thanks for the responses guys. I'm liking the Spitfire more and more. My LBS carries them so I'll have to check one out. Wish they did demos/rentals on them, or at least had one built up.