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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Is it possible to stick a 1.5 fork in a V2 Spitty? This guy on NSMB seems to have done it on his, but maybe it's a typo?? BUT the stem and spacers look bigger than the regular 1 1/8.

    + look at the upper cup?
    Yup that's a 1.5" steerer alright.
    He just stuck a 44mm external cup in place of the 44mm zero stack.
    Good idea.

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    That's my ride. Like my lyric coil too much to give it up.
    The cups pressed in nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    That's my ride. Like my lyric coil too much to give it up.
    The cups pressed in nicely.
    Hope you didn't mind I post your bike on here!

    So it that's it? You stuck an external 44mm cup in place of the upper cup??

    What upper cup did you use??

    Brillant idea!

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    No problem, here is what I used for the upper.

    Nukeproof Warhead 44EEOS Headset 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com

    Banshees brilliant idea for designing a tapered head tube with flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Hope you didn't mind I post your bike on here!

    So it that's it? You stuck an external 44mm cup in place of the upper cup??

    What upper cup did you use??

    Brillant idea!
    Yeah, it's a good design and the reason a lot of new frames are using 44mm head tubes. It allows for all kinds of flexibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    ...would be good if Keith revised the design.
    I'm sure they didn't want to add another hanger to the mix...a re-design would most likely require it.
    Last edited by jncarpenter; 02-11-2013 at 05:23 PM.


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    OK, little bike PORN coming your way...

    Just finished the build. I took it to a proper mechanic to work out my drive train paranoia. Turned out to be in my head. Not a shock. Anyway, here it is....

    Large Spitfire V2
    XX1 group
    Fox 34 Talas 27.5
    Easton Haven Bars, Post, and Stem
    LB - Chinese Carbon Wheels w/ DTS Champion (650)..we'll see...
    Neo Moto rubber - tubeless
    XT Brakes - 180F/160R
    Cane Creek 110 Headset
    Jagwire all round
    Hope Pro Evo 2 hubs
    XTR Pedals
    Ergon grips


    27 LBS...before pedals

    Get to ride it tomorrow....
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    Really nice build and impressive weight. Seems the LB 650 rims have had so so reliability thus far, keep an eye on them. What size XX1 ring you have on it? As an FYI North Shore Billet will have an XX1 spider with a removable rock ring (their description) available in a few weeks. Rock rings will come in various sizes.

    Look forward to the ride review.
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    If anyone is interested, the weight of my small anno black frame with 135x10 dropouts, shock bolts but no shock, no seat clamp, is 3.145kg or 6.9lb. I just finished building it. Time to ride!

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    Re: 2013 Spitfire

    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Really nice build and impressive weight. Seems the LB 650 rims have had so so reliability thus far, keep an eye on them. What size XX1 ring you have on it? As an FYI North Shore Billet will have an XX1 spider with a removable rock ring (their description) available in a few weeks. Rock rings will come in various sizes.

    Look forward to the ride review.

    It a 32T up front.

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    @ RialbSelur:
    Woah, that is an amazing Build you´ve got there. And awesome lightweight too. Really beautyfull!

    @ Sov:
    Thank you for the Information.

    My 650B-Custom-Wheelset arrived today: WTB Frequency i23 Rims, Tune MK King & Kong Hubs with Sapim Race/Laser mixed Spokes. Weight must be somewhere around reasonable 1700 Gramms, as I weight 90+ kg full geared. Feels like nothing in the Hand compared to my trusty and heavy 26" Set ...
    To bad the Hans Dampf in 2.25 are available in March as the earliest. Untill then Testing-Time to get the Spitfires Suspension dialled in ...

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    Here's mine.



    Size Medium, 142x12 dropouts, 26" mode
    Cane Creek 110 head set
    Rockshox Revelation RCT3 150mm. 20mm dropouts, tapered head tube.
    Fox CTD rear shock
    Easton Haven Bars
    Syntace Mega force 2 stem 60mm
    Shimano XT Brakes, 180mm Icetek rotors front and rear
    XT Shifters
    XT front der.
    XTR shadow Plus rear der. med cage
    XT Cranks 2x10
    HT AE-01 Pedals
    XT Cassette
    E-13 Turbocharger Bash guard
    Hadley Hubs on Mavic 819's, DT Swiss Comp spokes with standard brass nipples
    2.35 Schwalbe Hans Dampf snakeskin tubeless ready evo front, 2.25 Schwalbe fat albert snakeskin tubeless ready evo rear.
    SDG Mico I-beam seat post
    SDG Bel-air I-beam saddle
    Hope seat collar
    Odi Ruffian lock-on grips.
    3M protective film tape at chain and seat stays in lieu of tube or velcro or chainstay protector.

    Weighed in at 29.10 lbs complete
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    Should have shipping confirmation of my frame first week in March. Just waiting on Q or BTI to get some KS Lev's in stock...

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    Good job!

    Wohoo! Got my frame and a pile of good stuff! Today is the day I will put it together, it will probably be just as awesome as my first Spittfire...

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    Yeah Gentlemen - good to see some great new Spitfire-Riders coming up to join the Family!

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    Got the build all finished up. Enve 650b wheels and XX1 all mounted up. Went back to the Fox CTD for now for local trail riding, still using the CCDB Air for big mountain and park days.

    Finished weight it 29lb 12oz. The Enve's really aren't that light for being carbon honestly. They weigh the same as my DT Swiss 650B wheels do, but stiffer.

    Rides great, XX1 is insanely quiet and very very smooth, I am very impressed.

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    Ahhhh Dlongb13, I really really love your Spitfire so much - amazing Bike!
    Please let us know how you like the 650B-Wheels. Do you have the Possibility to switch and compare to 26?
    Somehow my Build-Up is taking the longest Time ever because of missing Availability of Parts. Would gladly have the ordered Tires to get mine with 650Bs too ...

    Anyways, enjoy yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
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    Got the build all finished up. Enve 650b wheels and XX1 all mounted up. Went back to the Fox CTD for now for local trail riding, still using the CCDB Air for big mountain and park days.

    Finished weight it 29lb 12oz. The Enve's really aren't that light for being carbon honestly. They weigh the same as my DT Swiss 650B wheels do, but stiffer.

    Rides great, XX1 is insanely quiet and very very smooth, I am very impressed.
    Looking good for sure! So you're not running the XX1 crank but just the remainder of the drive train I see. I'm kind of surprised that you only lost 2oz of weight (went back and checked your previous setup weight @ 29lbs 14oz) between the XX1 stuff, Enve rims, and substituting back the Fox CTD shock. I would have thought more but heck it's still under 30lbs so that's a nice weight indeed IMO.

    Looking at these builds and frames is really killing me since I don't have one ordered yet. I need to sell my Jamis Dakar 650 (with barley 250 miles on it) and/or the Cannondale Prophet to free up some funds to get the frame ordered but I just might have to figure out another option so I don't end up waiting on a frame and bike-less once the snow melts here (another 6-12" predicted for this weekend). I actually have the entire XX1 drivetrain ready and waiting except for the Hadley free hub body which should be ready any day now. My local Jamis dealer takes VERY good care of me on parts and accessories so I ordered the XX1 thinking the thing wouldn't be available until March since it was back ordered from QBP and the freaking thing showed up almost immediately much to my credit cards displeasure. I need a frame bad so I can start building and stop getting a big chubby looking at the pics on here.
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Finally built up my raw (warranty upgrade) spitfire. Came it at 28lbs 9 oz. I can see it being sub-28. with the right build. 26" of course. Plus, I think the raw finish alone was something close to 300 grams per a previous post.
    It doesn't feel too heavy when picking it up. My 142x12 went off without a hitch as did the derailleur set-up. 142x12 dropout reliefs, or lack thereof, don't seem to be a big deal. As long as it's 142x12 with a thru-axle is all that matters to me.
    I would say the whole replaceable dropout flip chips are a bit excessive and put at least an extra pound on the bike. IMO, the spitfire should just have standard 142x12mm dropouts (meaning no flip chips, no geometry adjustment) on the frame keeping the frame light and stiff. Exactly what a trail bike should be. The spitfire was the lightest in its category when it first came out and now it's the heaviest. To each his own, though. I'll still ride it like I stole it.
    Looking forward to seeing how this bike compares to the V1. It just snowed again so it may be a few days before I can take it out. There is noticeable difference from just sitting on the bike. You can definitely feel the geometry change, i.e. more forward position and slacker head angle. The rear feels much stiffer, too. All my parts from my previous V1 were swapped over so it should make a good comparison. (Looking forward to this as I loved the V1, but not all the flex in the rear from pivot issues.)

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    A wee bit of air!

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    @ monkeyninja:
    Nice Shot!
    Seems like you have good Weather-Conditions! Here in Germany the Winter has a Come-back with lots of Snow and being very cold ...

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    The weather in Scotland has been surprisingly dry for past few weeks, cold but dry. Normally we have lots of rain and wet muddy trails!

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    For what it's worth this is what an XL Spitfire frame looks like, hoping the change to sealed bearings will not make me regret giving Banshee more of my $$$. Frame looks great out of the box, can't wait to rebuild my bike and try it on a trail once the front range snow is mostly gone
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    Thanks for posting the XL. Looks good!

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    nice

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    Paid spam: selling my as-new large red Spitfire v2 frame, built up but never ridden. Check the MTBR buy&sell as i can't post links.

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    Unfortunately I too am selling my Banshee. Price is negotiable on mine, as is what comes with it. Have pretty much everything to build it up as a complete as well.

    Check my classifieds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    Unfortunately I too am selling my Banshee. Price is negotiable on mine, as is what comes with it. Have pretty much everything to build it up as a complete as well.

    Check my classifieds.
    Why the quick sale with only 20 miles on the bike?
    2013 Banshee Spitfire V2 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    Why the quick sale with only 20 miles on the bike?
    Riding with a team/shop now. They don't carry Banshee.

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    Any reviews with 650b vs 26" wheel sets, looking for new wheel set not sure whether to stick with 26 or try 650b

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    A bit more air!

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    Are you running the FOX 34 650b fork? Sweet build!!!

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    If that question is for me fox 36 van rc2.

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    Cambu monkey? Nice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooky221 View Post
    Cambu monkey? Nice!
    Aye had a good day yesterday it's dried up a lot since I was last there. The rains coming tomorrow though!

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    Aye i was up on Sat morning, conditions were mint!

    How you getting on with the Spitfire, i'm waiting for my Rune to arrive...rather excited!

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    I'm loving it so much fun to ride, felt good up there yesterday and for places like glentress it absoluty kills it. I was thinking about the rune but I've got a dh bike and thought there would be to much overlap. The rune will destroy cambu, i was up there today on dh bike and riding the same trails as yesterday and its definetly a lot easier and faster on dh bike but the spitfire still holds its own. Did you order the cane creek or fox? I went cane creek and its amazing the level of grip is unbelievable, I messed about with the base settings and have found what I like it climbs surprisingly well considering there is no pro pedal. Then once you point it down it just flies even on flattish xc trails its still performs well.
    When you expecting your rune are you local to cambu? If you want a shot of spitfire let me know when your next going up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monkeyninja View Post
    I'm loving it so much fun to ride, felt good up there yesterday and for places like glentress it absoluty kills it. I was thinking about the rune but I've got a dh bike and thought there would be to much overlap. The rune will destroy cambu, i was up there today on dh bike and riding the same trails as yesterday and its definetly a lot easier and faster on dh bike but the spitfire still holds its own. Did you order the cane creek or fox? I went cane creek and its amazing the level of grip is unbelievable, I messed about with the base settings and have found what I like it climbs surprisingly well considering there is no pro pedal. Then once you point it down it just flies even on flattish xc trails its still performs well.
    When you expecting your rune are you local to cambu? If you want a shot of spitfire let me know when your next going up.
    This is good to hear! I sold my DH bike last year as i wasn't racing and it was just not getting the use...kinda wish i hadn't let it go but there you go! Was really struggling between the Spitfire and the Rune but have been told that if you don't have a DH bike you should go for the Rune, so i did! Ordered it with the Cane Creek so looking fwd to seeing how a proper shock handles! Have been told my frame is due on the 19th but i'm away boarding in the alps that week so it'll be the 30/31st i'm next up probably. Will give you a shout!

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    I echo previous comments about the seat tube diameter being off. It's slightly too big it seems; lots of play when inserting any seat-post, compared to my old V1 frame. We'll see if the salsa QR can deal with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    I echo previous comments about the seat tube diameter being off. It's slightly too big it seems; lots of play when inserting any seat-post, compared to my old V1 frame. We'll see if the salsa QR can deal with it.
    Hmmm, not good to hear that.

    I've had good luck with the Salsa LipLock clamp. Works really well and clamps like a mofo. Not sure about the QR version.

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    Mine seems fine as long as its clamped up tight just checked it with no clamp on and there is no abnormal play

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    Hmmm ... I have a Thomson Seatpost and it fits pretty fine, rather tight, with no Play. The Banshee-Post has almost the same Tightness, too. I have heard from others running hydraulic-Seatposts having a minimum Play. They solved that "Problem" with a small Tape-Stripe ...
    In my Opinion - as long as you don´t need to hughly tighten the QR or Bold everything is fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooldaddy View Post
    I echo previous comments about the seat tube diameter being off. It's slightly too big it seems; lots of play when inserting any seat-post, compared to my old V1 frame. We'll see if the salsa QR can deal with it.
    I own a Rune V2 and have the same issue. I had to tighten both the Tune and the Banshee quick release really hard. I have play with both the Reverb and the Banshee Seat Post. I removed some grease from the seat post and changed the clamp to a Tune Würger (no QR, Torquening Spec is 5NM). If this doesn't help, I will try some grease you normally use when having carbon parts in our bike (don't know the proper translation for this). I'll post back as soon as I had the first few rides.

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    I bought a chromag qr clamp for my v1 rune with the seat tube being too big.
    It was the strongest one I could find.
    What about carbon paste, that might help.

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    I too agree with the seat tube diameter being off. I have the salsa clamp pictured above and I sometimes worry about overtightening especially with a travel adjust post like I have!

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    New bike almost finished, just in time for the next snowstorm... dangit.

    Size XL. Moved 99% of my parts over from the V1. Had to modify my MRP 2X guide to get some chainstay clearance and we'll see if it still works somewhat OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmxking45 View Post
    I too agree with the seat tube diameter being off. I have the salsa clamp pictured above and I sometimes worry about overtightening especially with a travel adjust post like I have!
    Yes, Carbon Paste, that's the word I was looking for, thanks @Nescafe. Some german riders had the same issues and used carbon paste. They're having no more issues so far.

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    where do I get said "carbon paste?"

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    Here's a quick rundown of mine:
    - Medium with RS Monarch shock off my old Rune
    - 36 Talas
    - XT brakes, SLX/X9/X0 drivetrain
    - Hope Pro 2 hubs with Crest up front, xc717 on the rear, tubeless up front but tubed on the rear.
    - 14.3kg / 31.5lb as pictured

    I have had it for about a month now - shuttles, 40km xc loops etc. A few random thoughts:
    - Building was easy. The BB cups threaded in by hand, the two front derailleur stops were a nice touch (Sram vs Shimano), direct mount front derailleurs are great but a 36t Sram one won't clear a 36t bashring. Seems obvious now that I think about it.
    - My biggest concern was climbing with a 50mm stem, 66 degree HA and 160mm forks. I've setup bikes like that in the past and hated it. But I was surprised at how planted the front end felt on all but the steepest inclines. I haven't touched the travel adjust on my Talas except to check that it works. Pleasantly surprised.
    - It feels incredible on the downhill bits. I'm loving the slack/low setting. Very stable and drifts like my DH bike.
    - The bottom bracket is quite low - this is a good thing but I do get the odd pedal strike.
    - Not a fan of the dropped chainstays - it means that the top half of the cluster can't be used with a 22t granny as the chain rubs the underside of the chainstay. Make sure you add some protective tape/tube/velcro.
    - I need to sort out chain retention. I have a XT clutch derailleur on the way which should work with my 9sp X0 shifter. Hopefully this is enough without needing a front guide.

    In terms of sizing, I'm 5'7 with a 31" inseam. I initially built up a small, then had the front triangle replaced with a medium (long story but I will say that Banshee have brilliant customer service). I'd be happy on either size - the medium does feel noticeably longer so I'm running my saddle forwards 10mm vs the small. I think this works well as it steepens up the seat angle for climbing, yet I still have the longer wheelbase and roomier reach of the medium.

    I'm toying with the idea of picking up a 650b Revelation to replace the 36 - 300g lighter, with a very similar a-c length so I don't lose the slack feel.
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