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    Quote Originally Posted by phallski View Post
    Full build spec is as follows, Going with a 150 RCT3 Revelation. I'm planning around 28 lbs complete, including a chainguide, dropper, and Shimano DX SPD's. This will be a one bike quiver for me, riding in the Salt Lake/Park City area, so I want it strong for shuttles/riding lifts at DV, but also light enough to climb 4-5k/day.
    Frame Spitfire V2
    Shock CC DB Air
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    Fork Revelation449.28
    Stem Thomson X4
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    Chain XX1
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    Bottom Bracket GXP
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    Brakes x0 Trail
    Rotors HSX160/180
    Front Hub DT 240s 15mm CenterLock
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    Very nice! I'll be watching for this.

    Is that a 28 hole Arch EX you plan to use? If not and a 32h you might consider the Pacenti TL28 rim which is wider, lighter, and eyeleted...and on sale right now for $59. Nice rim and I have the 650B version and live in the rocks of New England.

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    32 hole here, 28 holes saves 8 g and looses 15% stiffness. kind of a no brainer. I work in the industry so can't really beat the arch EX's, and they are basically the same width as the best DH rim ever made, the Mavic 721=supreme tire profile.

    Where in New England? I grew up outside Boston and spent my formative riding years in VT

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    All built up with 26 inch until the 650 dropouts come back into stock.

    Current build:
    Medium Spitfire in Black
    2013 Fox CTD read shock
    2012 RS Lyrik RC2DH freshly rebuilt and with new lowers
    Easton Haven Carbon wheels
    XTR Brakes
    XTR Rear Mech and shifter
    Point One Stem
    Enve DH Carbon Bars
    Race Face SixC Cranks
    CB Mallets
    Scwalbe Hans Dampf Trailstar 2.35 in front
    Schwalbe Nobby Nic Gatestar 2.25 in rear
    XTR Chain
    Cane Creek 40 headset
    Kind Shock LEV seatpost
    SDG Formula FX saddle


    Impressions:
    So far just ridden around the block a few times to see how it sprints, and I am very pleased. Compared to the Nomad this this really gets up and goes. Nomad had a very similar build on it too so it is a pretty decent quick comparison. And this thing manuals like crazy! I'm not very good at it, but on this bike for some reason I can, and for a while! Pretty stoked on how playful it feels. Hopefully I can get out monday for a frozen ride and really see how she rips.

    Oh and it came in at an even 29lb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    All built up with 26 inch until the 650 dropouts come back into stock.
    Sounds like there may be no need to wait. Slap a 650 wheel in those 26" dropouts and let us know how she goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hrdude View Post
    Sounds like there may be no need to wait. Slap a 650 wheel in those 26" dropouts and let us know how she goes.
    I can do that sunday or monday probably. My Enve 650B's are about 2 weeks out.

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    Not as nice as some of your guys' build, but I cant wait to ride it!

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    coocoomike, what size is that& how tall are you? Looks good!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
    coocoomike, what size is that& how tall are you? Looks good!

    I'm 5'10" and it's a size Medium. Feels spot on.

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    If anyone in the US needs a headset for their Banshee build, I've got a new one available for cheap. FSA 57 Orbit, ZS tapered 1.5-1.125. White & black, white headtube cups with black cap. Would look best on black or raw colored frames. Pm me.
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    I'm tossing up between this, a orange five and a Cotic rocket. What I really want is a versatile trail bike that is capable of a bit of Australian downhilling (pretty tame) and general AM stuff.

    For the people who have one now, how playful/flickable is the bike compared to others you've ridden, is the wheelbase too long to get the bike unsettled/throw it around? And what is the suspension design like in regards to trail feed back? One thing I haven't liked about my duallys in the past is the steamroller effect they have (I ride lots of dirt jump bikes, and my main trail bike for the past year and a half has been a 650b hardtail).

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    Hello, first time here and first time Banshee owner. I've got the V2 spitfire, with the 12x142 650 drops. I'm a noob when it come to the 12x142 setup, so I'm a little confused by the axle that came with it? Is this the option to use, or are there others? I'm used to through-axle in the front. Just screw it in. Simple. The rear screws in, but from both sides. Is there one that operates more like the front, or is this setup just the way this rear through-axle works?

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    Any recommendations for a dual ring chainguide or chainguide/bash.
    I had to remove my stinger after continually bending it. Never had a problem on the rune with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Any recommendations for a dual ring chainguide or chainguide/bash.
    I had to remove my stinger after continually bending it. Never had a problem on the rune with it.
    what cranks will you be running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    what cranks will you be running?
    Fc-M770 xt is what I am using.

    The chain stays are a little lower on the V2's which left my stinger pretty low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Any recommendations for a dual ring chainguide or chainguide/bash.
    I had to remove my stinger after continually bending it. Never had a problem on the rune with it.
    E13 TRS dual. Hands down the best dual guide I have ever used. Very quiet. Is has rollers and not cogs. Don't get one with cogs, they are very loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    E13 TRS dual. Hands down the best dual guide I have ever used. Very quiet. Is has rollers and not cogs. Don't get one with cogs, they are very loud.
    It looks like those come in an alloy or steel. With these v2 frames the roller part will have to be rotated forward and lower than the bash part of the guide. Hopefully the alloy one will do better than my stinger did?

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    My xt cranks are 2011, the old 3 spider set-up. I think the 2012 and 2013 are only 2 spider so this chainguard, I believe, wouldn't apply if you have a 2 ring set up. Maybe it does, though.

    On mine, I use a gamut chainguard (minus the rollers) with the chain sandwiched between the black spire chainguard.

    Benefits: less resistance because no rollers and lightweight. Chain never falls off either.

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    i'm running an older set of xt cranks and can't get the granny bolts to stop rubbing the iscg5 mount stinger mounting bolts - even through they are recessed - without running an extra drive side bb spacer... again. sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nescafe View Post
    Any recommendations for a dual ring chainguide or chainguide/bash.
    I had to remove my stinger after continually bending it. Never had a problem on the rune with it.
    Running the E13 Hemi guide on the V2 spitfire and no problems so far. I had to trim a bit of the back plate away to rotate it higher but you are limited by position of the chain stay. I have been thinking of getting a new clutch derailleur and getting rid of the chain guide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    i'm running an older set of xt cranks and can't get the granny bolts to stop rubbing the iscg5 mount stinger mounting bolts - even through they are recessed - without running an extra drive side bb spacer... again. sigh
    I was wondering if my old XT cranks from my V1 were gonna fit on the V2. You could just grind the granny bolts if you're not using the granny ring. What's your plan? New cranks?


    It would be nice to have an extra $1200 for the XX1 and just forget about all this compatibility mess.However, I could barely come up with the money for my warranty upgrade to V2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    It would be nice to have an extra $1200 for the XX1 and just forget about all this compatibility mess.However, I could barely come up with the money for my warranty upgrade to V2.
    You can run the XX1 cranks on 10spd as long as you're using a clutch derailleur.
    No need to run XX1 shifter/rear derailleur/cassette.

    I think the XX1 spider is compatible with as XO? I've read XX1 are the same cranks as XO, just different spider and chainring? So if you had XO cranks, just need XX1 spider/chainring and clutch derailleur.

    Anyway, I've tried it out on my Rune (XX1 cranks and shadow+) because I couldn't believe it works, and hey-presto, no dropped chains!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    E13 TRS dual. Hands down the best dual guide I have ever used. Very quiet. Is has rollers and not cogs. Don't get one with cogs, they are very loud.
    Dlong- What chain guide are you running on your V2? It looks like a ethirteen XCX. Are you just running a single ring up front?

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    Yes the XCX. Single ring. Going XX1 soon hopefully. Really love 1x set ups. Was running 2x on my Nomad, tried a lot of dual guides, the TRS dual was leaps and bounds nicer than anything else I ran.

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    Looks like Fox has a 140mm 27.5 coming out, with 32mm stanchions. Could this be a good marriage for the V2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post
    Yes the XCX. Single ring. Going XX1 soon hopefully. Really love 1x set ups. Was running 2x on my Nomad, tried a lot of dual guides, the TRS dual was leaps and bounds nicer than anything else I ran.
    There's no need for 2 rings up front, IMO. Been doing 1x8, 1x9, 1x10, and eventually 1x11 forever. Until then, if my old XT cranks aren't gonna fit then the XCX looks like the best alternative.

    Are your cranks on your V2, dual ring with the granny ring removed?

    And, I guess I need to search, but what type derailleur is the V2? E-type? The banshee website says S3 type derailleur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaithcock View Post
    Looks like Fox has a 140mm 27.5 coming out, with 32mm stanchions. Could this be a good marriage for the V2?
    Yes, it could. The Spitfire can take Forks from 140 to 160 mm Travel! Although Keith leans more towards going with more Travel up Front, 150 or 160 mm.

    Of course it depends on personal Preference, what and where youīll plan riding the Bike.
    Me, I got recommendations from Suspension-Experts to go with 34er or 35er Stanchions and more Travel.
    1.) I weight 90plus Kilos full geared -> more Need for a stiffer Fork and Wheelset.
    2.) My riding-style is somewhere between Allday-AM and downhill-orientated Enduro -> 160 mm Travel fits more to this Purpose and gives the right Geometry.

    If you think you donīt need more, this can be an Option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiawatha-de View Post
    There's no need for 2 rings up front, IMO. Been doing 1x8, 1x9, 1x10, and eventually 1x11 forever. Until then, if my old XT cranks aren't gonna fit then the XCX looks like the best alternative.

    Are your cranks on your V2, dual ring with the granny ring removed?

    And, I guess I need to search, but what type derailleur is the V2? E-type? The banshee website says S3 type derailleur?
    I went out and rode some big ole mountains and climbed some gnarly stuff this year so I really welcomed the granny ring after an hour of straight climbing. For my local trails I think 1x is perfectly fine.

    I am running the Race Face SixC cranks, which are 2x capable, but obviously I am running them with a single ring. And yes, you want the S3 type front derailleur. I am running the S3 XCX guide.




    Also did some part swapping tonight and came out with some good results.

    For starters, 650b wheels fit with ease on the 26 inch dropouts. I ended up putting the 34 on the front and with it lowered to 150. It feels much more like the trail bike I was looking for. Also put on the CCDB Air. I have been running one of these since they came out and I just love it, so seeing how it feels on this rig.

    With this set up is is 29lb 14oz. Have some Enve 650b wheels coming in to shave some weight.

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    That is a very nice looking bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlongb13 View Post



    Also did some part swapping tonight and came out with some good results.

    For starters, 650b wheels fit with ease on the 26 inch dropouts. I ended up putting the 34 on the front and with it lowered to 150. It feels much more like the trail bike I was looking for. Also put on the CCDB Air. I have been running one of these since they came out and I just love it, so seeing how it feels on this rig.

    With this set up is is 29lb 14oz. Have some Enve 650b wheels coming in to shave some weight.
    Dam, that is a great looking bike you have there They just look so nasty good in black.

    The 650B wheels fitting the 26" drops is really great news indeed. And I see you have the NN tires which in the 2.35" size is the tallest 650B tire that's available (are they the 2.35" or 2.25" which is not as tall)

    Now, can you please snap a few pics of the clearance at the seat stay brace, chain stay yoke and the vertical support spars (which I thought could be a potential issue with 650 tires using 26" drops). Also did you check to see if the tire hits the seatpost at full bottom out?
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    I am running the 2.25 in the rear. I can fit a finger in between every space except for the middle one, but there is still 7mm or so of clearance. Plenty. I have seen clearance this tight on AM bikes with 2.4 or 2.5 26 in tires. There is still an inch or more of clearance at bottom out too. Would take pics but it is dark and flash makes it hard to see. I'll be riding in some muddy/sloppy conditions tomorrow so we will see but I am not worried about it at all. You could fit a 2.35 back there I bet, would be tight, but it would fit.

    I will still probably pick up the 650b dropouts when they are available though b/c For riding DH I will be running 2.4's for sure and would like the extra clearance. But for trail riding, this will suffice for sure.

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    +1, nice work on that build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhaithcock View Post
    Looks like Fox has a 140mm 27.5 coming out, with 32mm stanchions. Could this be a good marriage for the V2?
    sure! though you might have to remove some spokes from your rear wheel, to make sure the back end feels as noodly as the front

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomforeal View Post
    sure! though you might have to remove some spokes from your rear wheel, to make sure the back end feels as noodly as the front
    There will be plenty of people who want the Spitty just as a ripping trail bike (like me a 55YO guy who doesn't leave the ground much) and lightweight build. A 140mm fork with 32mm stanchions is fine in that case...IMHO
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    @ Dlongb13:
    Awesome Bike man, much better looking now than with the Lyrik, which is a great Fork, no doubt.
    Interesting to hear the 650B-2.25 Schwalbes fit in the 26-Dropouts with plenty of about 7 mm Clearance. Want to go with Hans Dampf 2.25, so hopefully should fit in the 26ers too. My Spitfire is going to look the same way, some other Parts of course, with -1 or -1,5 Deg Angleset, black Flite and white BOS Deville (arrived today, yipee). My new 650B custom Wheelset (WTB Frequency i23, Tune Hubs) should arrive this Week, too, so I can start building. My Distributor told me yesterday that the CCDB-Air will come in late February, till then the Evolver has to prove itīs Quality again.
    So excited, but uff ... keeping patient is getting harder and harder ...

    @ bhaithcock:
    Boomforeal takes it the funny way , but seriously: Fork-Choice really depends on your Riding-Style and ... what I was told(!) ... your Weight. Same for the Wheelset. Initially planned the Arch EX Rims, for the weight-savings, and was recommended to go with Flow EX or WTB. Suggestions according the Fork went the same Route. Had the chance to testride a 150 mm Revelation, nice working Fork, but the lack of Stiffness overall felt uncomfortable, at least for me.
    Decide what you want to explore with the Bike in the Future ...

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    And revelations are stiffer than 32's. If saving weight is a tip priority then go with the new Revs, they are pretty sick, and they make a 650b version in case you decide to go that route down the road.

    @Nostyle Thanks man! Sounds like you have a sweet build going as well!

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    Is it predrilled for internal dropper posts?

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    @ Checkit:
    No it isnīt. Feel free to ask the Banshee-Guys if you are allowed to drill it when itīs done professionally.

    @ Dlongb13:
    Thank you man. I must confess that my Build is much over the initially planned Budget ... but well ... you know ...
    I honestly have to say that Iīm heavy in love with your Spitfire, and the beautiful red one from Strahan Loken.

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    2013 Spitfire-image.jpg


    Big thanks to Keith for sorting this can't wait to ride it!

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    Just received my v2 this week and have started the build! The frame is absolutely stunning in ano black. Awesome work Keith (and the Banshee team)

    Could anyone please confirm whether an e.13 LG1 Trail guide will fit without touching the chain stays? Unfortunately my old e.13 LG1 would require a serious amount of further modification to fit.

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    ^^^ Damn. If that's the case, this may be the thing that forces me to go 10 speed with clutch...

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    Spitfire V2 Chain guide option - Superstar Plasma?

    I managed to find a good photo of the Superstar Plasma chain guide and traced it up in Illustrator to scale. Printed and cut it out and it looks like the boomerang will clear the chain stays. (No idea why the picture gets auto rotated)
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    When are we getting the Spitfire V2 in the UK? Who is the new distributor and will there be any dealers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarlet View Post
    When are we getting the Spitfire V2 in the UK? Who is the new distributor and will there be any dealers?
    Ison Distribution are bringing them in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al2000 View Post
    Ison Distribution are bringing them in.
    Any idea when?

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    Anyone rode the V2 with the CCDB Air? How does this shock perform on this travel range? Is it worth the extra weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kijan View Post
    Anyone rode the V2 with the CCDB Air? How does this shock perform on this travel range? Is it worth the extra weight?
    If you are willing to wait some Time I can tell you how the CCDB is going to perform. Iīm building up my Spitfire tomorrow, with Evolver ISX-4 at first, as my CCDB should arrive end of February.
    In my honest Opinion you should be clear about what you want, or how much Adjustment-Possibilities you like. I have ordered the CCDB because I donīt want/need 3 different Compression-Settings. One Setting, dialed in with Time, should work for everything. This too is the Reason not to go with adjustable Forktravel anymore. Once set-up right the Bike hopefully performs very well in every Situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kijan View Post
    Anyone rode the V2 with the CCDB Air? How does this shock perform on this travel range? Is it worth the extra weight?

    I have one on mine, been using a DB Air since they came out. Depends on what kind of bike you want. If you want a super responsive trail bike, probably not for you. If you want a bike that can smash out DH runs all day, then yes, get the CC. I have ridden DB air on everything from a Session, to a Tallboy LTC and it is always effective no matter the travel. For my Spitfire I am choosing to run the DB air only when the terrain calls for it. My local trail are pretty new school and buff so the DB air really numbs them so I will be running a Fox CTD locally to get the most out of my trails.

    Don't get me wrong, the DB air is the greatest thing besides dropper posts and carbon wheels, but if you aren't riding on trails that demand it, it can dull the ride.

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    Just about to finish my build off what is the best way to calculate the length of the chain I'm using xo short cage rear mech with 34x11-34 gearing.
    Thanks

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    Put the chain on without closing it. Make sure the chain is in the largest chainring and largest cog. Pull the chain tight so that your derailleur hanger is pulled fairly far forward--because you have short cage, you probably need it on the tight side in your large gear so that it will still have enough tension when you're in the small cog. If in doubt leave it a little longer as you can always shorten it later. I usually do this so the two ends are overlapping beneath the chainstay. You should be able to see how much chain you need. Now pop out the extra links and close it with the powerlink (or pin if you're using shimano chain).

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