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    Anyone riding in Xinjiang, China

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    Anyone riding or has ridden in Xinjiang,China.Thinking of going there.

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    Have not ridden there, but I'm moving to China in July and hoping to do lots of riding around China. Have you ridden elsewhere in China? I'll be in Shanghai, bringing road and mountain bikes... I've thought of doing the Lhasa - Katmandu ride, which I drove a few years ago. Let me know if you learn anything about riding in Xinjiang or anywhere else in China.

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    I ride in Dali, Yunnan, it's fun here, better in the winter when it's dry. Tight singletrack, fireroads the usual nice stuff, mostly unridden and nobody out here. Very happy to be riding out here.

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    if you want some decent info on Tibet and some bits of Xinjiang try getting a hold of Janne Corax. his web page is under constuction, and I'm not giving out his e mail. posably the biggest living resorce when it comes to cyclling through western china, and a supper nice guy to boot.

    hi achawalla, be seeing you soon.

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    Achawalla maybe you should try Xinjiang in summer in winter it is covered by snow most of it that would be worth riding i think?
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    hmmm maybe you should be giving us info... much like Achawalla, I spend a lot of time riding in Yunnan in the winters. will be back in Yunnan in July and staying till mid december or so. Qinghai is in the top of the list for any out of Yunnan excurtions this summer. Always up for checking out something new.

    Fall in Yunnan is pure gold, cant think on any place I'd rather be between late sept and dec.

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    Nice pics, bigdamo, really wish I can get out of here and go ride up in Xinjiang. Yeah, Yunnan has mountains like that, but not that much snow where I live, it's more south, but we have 4000m peaks just in front of us. Fall and winter are the best time to be around here, summer is a mudslidefest at the best of times. Winter is sunny, dry and just really great riding weather in general. If you ever in the area, let me know, that is if we are not out somewhere else.
    Hey Ernesto, you have yourself a safe trip out here.

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    I'm not in Xinjiang yet.Thinking of moving there maybe next year.I was there in 2000.When i was there i could see mountains in the distance and they took me out to Tan sein(i think)which looked like it had great riding on the sheep trails going up into the mountains no fences but i didn't have my bike with me.I don't think they have seen anyone riding a mtb bike up there before.They certainly have not seen too many Westerner's(gaylos).

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    There almost no mtb scene out here in China, in western China anyways, I've lived here for 3.5 years and ridden 2 years here and I have yet to meet somebody on a bike on the trails. That means nobody to see your embarassing moments, or anybody going up or down the wrong way. You would get a lot of stares, I'm used to it, I'm not a gaylo(laowai), not too obvious anyways, but still a foreigner, and on a bike in the middle of nowhere, if somebody sees you, they're bound to gawk. I've been asked many times, what the fark I'm doing on a bike on what they consider an otherwise unrideable trail. But to me those trails are pure gold, unridden, maybe by Ernesto, maybe, he was out here riding before me, but nobody else would consider getting mud or denting their shiny Chinese made mountain bikes out there on the mountain. Yeah, there are literally thousands of kilometers of unridden terrain out here, a lot of sheep, goat, horse trails waiting to be ripped up. And because you'll likely to be the only one out there, no damage is ever done to the trails by other riders, and best of all, no restrictions on what you can and cannot ride, if you want to ride it, it's all yours. You'll have lots of fun up in Xinjiang, I'm sure. That's one place in China that I'll consider moving to, if we ever do get out of Dali.[/QUOTE]

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    BUMP,bump

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    Smile Shanghai is good place for living and riding!

    Hi, everyone, I am living in Shanghai,I like moutain bikes,and my friend has a bike shop,
    if you go to Shanghai for riding, maybe she can help you.
    The following is her shop introduction:
    We are one of the most famous bike shops in China, and have all kinds of bikes and accessories for your choosing! You will feel more comfortable as we can speak English well, and most of our customers are foreigners.
    Address: No.357 YinShan Rd, Pu Dong,Shanghai,China
    Tel: 021-50751084 Contact: Stella
    Anything needed, please login our web: www.bicycleshop.cn

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    Would you have Iron Horse bikes there particlarly MK111

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    In China, no Ironhorse,

    In China, now Giant is the NO.1 brand for bikes, Trek just came in ,and Spelized also will come end this year, but Trek and Specialized are weak, as TREK bikes made by GIANT, SPECIALIZED made by MERIDA. Spend same money, Giant will much more valuable. For example,the cheapest GIANT carbon frame MCM TEAM, sells around 6,000 RMB, but TREK you will spend double.And you know, GIANT is the first bicycle factory to produce mass carbon frame.So which one you will select? Ironhorse also has a OEM factory in Shenzhen,CHINA.China now is the bicycle producing base of the world.
    Except TREK, SPECIALIZED, FUJI, MOGOOSE, LOISE and a lot of brand now entered or will enter this market for sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamriver
    In China, now Giant is the NO.1 brand for bikes, Trek just came in ,and Spelized also will come end this year, but Trek and Specialized are weak, as TREK bikes made by GIANT, SPECIALIZED made by MERIDA. Spend same money, Giant will much more valuable. For example,the cheapest GIANT carbon frame MCM TEAM, sells around 6,000 RMB, but TREK you will spend double.And you know, GIANT is the first bicycle factory to produce mass carbon frame.So which one you will select? Ironhorse also has a OEM factory in Shenzhen,CHINA.China now is the bicycle producing base of the world.
    Except TREK, SPECIALIZED, FUJI, MOGOOSE, LOISE and a lot of brand now entered or will enter this market for sale.
    Thats great that China is getting access to these bikes.Now all you have to do is get some Chinese on these bikes and out on some true single track MTB trails I think there is alot of good riding out there just waiting to be ridden.My wife and her family think A: I'm crazy spending all that money on a bike B taking that said bike off road on what they think is unrideable terrain,C falling off said bike and hurting myself after paying so much money for no financial gain.Maybe I'll start MTBing off in Xinjiang

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    Now more and more Chinese people like bike sports, because there are a lot of bicycle brands enter into this market, they will hold a lot of activities to attract people to join in.This August LOUIS GARNEAU will enter.

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    I've been seeing high end hardtails in china for the last five year, specialized GT and merinda for at least that long so I'm a little confused by what you mean. there a good shop in Kunming that has been going for 10 or so years, some of those guys ride some pretty flash bikes, elsworth, dabomb and a demo 8 have been seen of the streets of Kunming. suspention parts are very exspensive and hard to find, but a compleat shimano line up is very easy to come by and you can buy a rockhopper or simmiler frame for 1200RMB.

    the flying ball in Hong Kong is posably the best shop in northen asia. they can hook you up with any thing you need for a price.

    never assume you the only one out there, I rode around Dali for a month and never met Achawala, he ended up contacting me through a company I work for. it's more the type of riding that we do in the west (I'm a B.C. boy) that gets that differs from the locals, they tend to vear toward the dirt roady side of things. plus there have been some core cycle tourist riding through these parts for years. I couple guys i know rode the Tiger leaping gourge way before it was a paved road.

    keep the rubber side down kids.

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    How about full suspension trail bikes,down hill or free ride bikes.I had a hard time when i was in China( Guangzhou and Urumqi and Shihezi)Finding any bike store That stocked these bikes yeah i know the ones in Hong Kong and Taiwan.My Wife is from China and said there is bike shops in Guangzhou that have these high end bike shops but she never took me there maybe she was scared that i would start buying up big I didn't find any in Urumpi and she said you wouldn't and she was originally from that part of the world and her family still is.I would be surprised if i was the only one MTBing in the Tian shan mountain range seeing as though it is 2500klms long and 250-350 kmls wide but i have only heard of people doing mtb touring not hard core MTBing.I hope to flush anyone out before i go over there and start riding because i know there is good riding there and it would be a shame to do it all by myself By the way i am also trying to find out about the snow skiing there.I know they have one resort but can't find much about it.I'm thinking the skiing is good but cold and probably alot of back country skiing?Any info would be appreciated. Ernesto when you said you where a B C boy did you mean British Colombia?

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    As far as I know too, I'm the only one Mtbing a 70 something km range of mountains peaking at 4000m (though I've never been that high), yeah, it'll be nice sometimes to share the trails, but MTB is really still in its infancy in China. I guess we should enjoy that while it last.

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    Fake frames

    Most of Specialized and GT frames in China now is fake.As most frame company have the ability to produce this kind of frames, almost the same, if you do not know bikes too much, you can not distinguish it.

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    snow eh!, I'm heading out to Western Sichaun this fall/winter to scout and hoping to have some real beta fo the spring of '08 for some thing big. the snow pack in Yunnan is too fickal for me to deal with, any thing substantual is way too high (4000m ++) to be much fun. though I ride my bike up there so WTF. anything lower the sun kills it in a couple days. the town I "live in" in Yunnan is at 3300m and i'm basing all my info on this area.

    in Xinjiang you should not have too much trouble finding some snow to slide on. be careful out there, I've never dug any pits around here but I'm thinking the supper dry snowpack with long periods inbetween dumps could spell some scarry layers. but thats just a guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernesto
    snow eh!, I'm heading out to Western Sichaun this fall/winter to scout and hoping to have some real beta fo the spring of '08 for some thing big. the snow pack in Yunnan is too fickal for me to deal with, any thing substantual is way too high (4000m ++) to be much fun. though I ride my bike up there so WTF. anything lower the sun kills it in a couple days. the town I "live in" in Yunnan is at 3300m and i'm basing all my info on this area.

    in Xinjiang you should not have too much trouble finding some snow to slide on. be careful out there, I've never dug any pits around here but I'm thinking the supper dry snowpack with long periods inbetween dumps could spell some scarry layers. but thats just a guess.
    Yeah i know they have alot of snow Xinjiang and I'm thinking it is the dry powder variety as they Tian shan mountains are surround by alot of desert so I'm hoping it might be like Utah snowBut it is COLD like -30c COLD I've skied at Lake Louise at -20 and that was DAM cold and at Whistler they closed the Mountain when they got a cold snap and it was -25c for a week.I have heard they have a ski run/runs there but can't find where Heavenly Mountain i think?i have heard that the Chinese are looking to pour some money into a ski resorts in Xinjiang.I've been back country skiing in Canada but with other people and they knew what they where doing i have not much idea.Back Country ski-ing in China might be a little dangerous I have heard they do get big dumps though

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    bigdamo, I'm hoping you go out when the time comes around and give us a report. I'm dying to ride, on snow, that is. Good to hear that you've skied Lake Louise, I used to live in Banff a long time ago before I discovered Dali and LL was one of my favorite all around mountain, except when it gets that cold like you said, but those days are not frequent, I assure you, except a few days in Dec, Jan and Feb. Just have to watch out for frostbite. Backcountry should not be attempted alone, I agree, but it's not easy to find somebody with avy knowledge, beacons etc out here, and I'm rusty, 10 years not being on the snow. But would still love to go, if the conditions are right. Damn, all the things I want to do this year, that HP enduro in India and getting back on the snow again. I'm going to have to start playing the lottery....

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    funny eh, I spent a few years in the lake as lifty. gets damn cold for sure. learned my BC skills in the rockies snow pack before getting bit by the travel bug. now I'm trying to do both. Achawalla and I have a freakish amount in common.

    BTW bro, heading up to Litiang for the horse festival in early august for a little high elevation binge drinking. don't know how much room there is in the jeep, but if you have the time and the liver I'll see what I can do!

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    Bro, thanks for the offer, but my liver is all but destroyed from all the years(when I was young and foolish) of indiscriminate indulgence in mind altering substances. The last time I had a drink and enjoyed it was back in May. But would love to get pissed when I feel strong again, I know, I'm such a wuss, sorry. Plus work and the family, you know, days go by too fast around here. Anyways, we welcome you anytime to come stay, hang out and chill.

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    One of these photos looks to have ski runs on the Mountain face what do you reckon Thats if these photos come out all right?
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    The second pic looks like a possiblity, but then it could be anything, fire, slide from way back, logging etc, who knows. But XInjiang looks beautiful. Sort of what I imagine NZ would look like. I bet there must be some insane riding up there. When are you going to get there, bigdamo? Hoping for a report soon.

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    Yes it is similar to the south island of New Zealand very flat and then shots up into a Mountain range but then in parts it looks like Europe or Canada when you get up into the Mountains and there are Fir trees.Hopefully Chinese new year to scope it out better for job opportunity's and Skiing and biking

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    Achawalla It's abit early in China now isn't it 6.10am

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    I didn't think anyone got up that early in China.

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    This one could be in Europe or Canada but it's not
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    ah the appeal of the avalanche slide path. hmmm, maybe l'll head out there this fall instead of sichaun! any idea what the base ellivation is?

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    It's not that I got up early, it's the opposite, I stay up way late. I really have to change my schedule around soon, have been going to bed at 4-6am lately. The last pic looks like it could have been taken anywhere in the Rockies or Himalayas, all those mountains, they all look the same. But then again, I've never expected XJ to have mountains that big, always thought it'll be more like, you know, the Gobi Desert or something. BTW, I just google earth Xinjiang, and the elevation ranges from 300m ASL to above 4000m. Urumqi sits at about 900m, but there are 4000m peaks maybe just a couple hours away, so I presume the skiable terrain starts at 1500m to 2000m. Since the north of Xinjiang lies at about the same latitude as Hokkaido, I think you'll get very nice powder, that is if you get all the way up there. Anyways, if you have Google Earth, check it out.

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    Yeah well that explains it.Even the little kids stay up till 12.00 in China.They wanted to know why i was going to bed at 11.00pm they thought that was strange.In summer(now) it does not get dark till 10.00/11.00pm in Xiiangjang.Don't the Chinese know about time zones.I did n't know what to expect when i went there but i didn't think i would see Mountains so close maybe the Gobi desert.But when the weather cleared there they where and my wife could not understand my interest in them even when i said i want to have a closer look.She took me too this pitiful swimming lake coming from Australia its hard to find anything to compare Beach wise.When they took me to the Mountains i was Rapted.Even though it was mid October and the snow had started to fall and every one was leaving for the winter.Anyway base elevation 1000m give or take 100m ridges average 4000m with two peaks above 7000m,snow line year round 3300-4200mMy wife still knows nothing about this mountain range except its cold DAM COLD
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    Urumqi is covered by snow in winter well i quess it is because Shi ehzi 2 hours up the road is and that is down lower.

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    Hell this Mountain Range is so long you can't fit it in one satelite photo

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    That's a huge range, where did you find that photo? Yeah, the thing about no time zones in China, it's hard to get used to it at first, coming from Canada, but then it's nice, we get sun till 7pm in the middle of winter, so more riding time. If there is snowfall mid Oct, that means possibly that they have more snow than say, LL or even Whistler, comparing latitudewise I mean, it's hard to say though, the weather changes from year to year and with global warming and all that. You are going to haul all your snow/bike gear from Oz? That'll be quite a load, hope you guys don't have kid/s to lug around as well.....

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    gloabal warming should = more snow for the inland asiaian ranges, with the warmer weather bringing in more moisture during the winter months. the tibetain guides I work with claim that they are seeing it. Xinjiang could well be the next B.C.

    it's too early to say, but if ...this march could see me bringing my split board back for a couple weeks... though at this point I'm not holding my breath, theres way too many arms to twist before it's even a dream..

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    Good to hear that there is at least one positive effect of us destroying the planet.

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    So where's a good place to mountainbike in China? Are there companies offering guided rides?

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    where there's a trail

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    So where's a good place to mountainbike in China? Are there companies offering guided rides?
    jzt, funny you should ask, Ernesto and I hooked up for the first time yesterday when he dropped in on Dali and we went for a short ride. He also happens to be starting up his own MTB guide service up in Zhongdian area of Yunnan. Check out his website, though a bit out of date, http://haiweitrails.com/ , hope this helps you out a little. If you ever decide to visit Dali, I can always show you a few trails around.

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    it was good to meet you and your family as well achawalla.

    the site is way out of date, but were working on it... but it's Zhongdian eh, nothing happen fast here. Haiwei trails has been going for about ten years now. the founders have been traveling around the darker corners of SW China/Tibet for longer then that. I've been working with them since 2003. mainly setting up trekking routes and sorting out cycling routs for what will be called Kham Spokes. I'm not quite ready to do full on guiding (multi day high end type stuff) as I've spent so much time in the hills that my language has remained survival at best. which is what i'm working on this summer/winter, but i've got all the routes worked out and could offer anything from mellow XC road rides to more demanding DH/Freeride to multi day back county rides.

    we're hopping so have a street level outfitters going by the end of the summer, bike rental, plus renting camping gear and guiding shorter trips around the Zhongdian/Daqin area. we also have a jeep for shuttle runs into the mountains. If you stop by I won't be hard to find, if all else fails swing by the Raven bar, I'm generaly there after 8pm.

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    Yeah nothing happens fast in Xinjiang also.We have been trying to find out about ski-ing in Xingjiang from the Government travel bureaus.They told us to come back and ask in winter there to busy with summer tourists now and my wife knows some of the people there.I think you need alot of Patience in China

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    Does anyone know where to buy a decent tandem touring/MTB bike frame (budget: RMB 3,000) in China?

    I live in Yunnan Lijiang. XACD quoted RMB 16,000 for their Ti Tandem frame, which is excessive for my budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ernesto
    it was good to meet you and your family as well achawalla.

    the site is way out of date, but were working on it... but it's Zhongdian eh, nothing happen fast here. Haiwei trails has been going for about ten years now. the founders have been traveling around the darker corners of SW China/Tibet for longer then that. I've been working with them since 2003. mainly setting up trekking routes and sorting out cycling routs for what will be called Kham Spokes. I'm not quite ready to do full on guiding (multi day high end type stuff) as I've spent so much time in the hills that my language has remained survival at best. which is what i'm working on this summer/winter, but i've got all the routes worked out and could offer anything from mellow XC road rides to more demanding DH/Freeride to multi day back county rides.

    we're hopping so have a street level outfitters going by the end of the summer, bike rental, plus renting camping gear and guiding shorter trips around the Zhongdian/Daqin area. we also have a jeep for shuttle runs into the mountains. If you stop by I won't be hard to find, if all else fails swing by the Raven bar, I'm generaly there after 8pm.
    Cool! Me & my friends here are really into downhill racing & all that, and are always looking for places to ride outside of Malaysia that are affordable. We're heading to Bandung, Indonesia early next year to do just that, then perhaps up north to Chiangmai, Thailand later on. If you could provide shuttled DH runs at your place, we would really consider it.

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