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    What is Jennifer's boyfriend's name?

    Does that guy have a name?

    Or are we just supposed to project rage on some nameless, faceless bad guy for some supposed sleights against a raving lunatic?

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    Lets do it hangman style: _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

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    Eazy_E_ _ _ _?

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    I think Easy has a crush on TD, why else would he have the same avatar as TD?

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    Hmm, maybe we should do it gangnam style?

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    that SEDONA is just like Peyton Place.
    It would make a TV series that would rival Pillars of the Earth...............but at least we already know who the GOOD GUY is; and he could just play the character himself.
    what a country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransitionSenior View Post
    that SEDONA is just like Peyton Place.
    It would make a TV series that would rival Pillars of the Earth...............but at least we already know who the GOOD GUY is; and he could just play the character himself.
    what a country.
    Oh, Canada...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TransitionSenior View Post
    that SEDONA is just like Peyton Place.
    It would make a TV series that would rival Pillars of the Earth...............but at least we already know who the GOOD GUY is; and he could just play the character himself.
    what a country.
    We also know who the guy is that will rat out his friends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    We also know who the guy is that will rat out his friends.
    Yes, the locals know who this person is but it's not Traildoc

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Yes, the locals know who this person is but it's not Traildoc
    Interesting, I thought I read Traildoc had to tattle to get a reduced sentence!
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    You read wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    You read wrong.
    Pretty sure I read it correctly, not the only person that read it either! Maybe TD was trying to mislead people with his typing's? That or he thoguht it would gain him sympathy about his banning and fine situation.
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    There isn't much that's lamer than a narc out on your friends to help beat a rap.

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    Hey now, take it easy on traildock. I'd still piss on him, but only if he weren't on fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    You read wrong.
    I agree! He did not have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Hey now, take it easy on traildock. I'd still piss on him, but only if he weren't on fire.
    Rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Pretty sure I read it correctly, not the only person that read it either! Maybe TD was trying to mislead people with his typing's? That or he thoguht it would gain him sympathy about his banning and fine situation.
    Just got a PM from someone which claims that TD did not rat anyone out. I'll take their word on that. I still know what I read, so other than severe mental issues! I have no clue why someone would write that they did on a public forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Just got a PM from someone which claims that TD did not rat anyone out. I'll take their word on that. I still know what I read, so other than severe mental issues! I have no clue why someone would write that they did on a public forum.

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    Sweet, a downgrade to liar, awesome work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Sweet, a downgrade to liar, awesome work!
    Maybe a spot on Oprah to clean this up.
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    Did anyone see the interview with Lance? Did he actually confess to doping or not?


    I would think an admission would set him up for some legal action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Did anyone see the interview with Lance? Did he actually confess to doping or not?


    I would think an admission would set him up for some legal action.
    Think it airs tonight.
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    Trying to Make Mountain Bikers Primary Users in Sedona

    First of all I would like to thank several viewers of this thread for not outing Jennifer's boyfriend. Her boyfriend has contributed several thousands of hours to the mountain biking user-built trail work before dating Jennifer (BDJ) and now after BDJ he has been the #1 Sedona FS volunteer doing the same work.

    He unlike any FS volunteer he came into his position with more hands on trail building experience than any other FS volunteer ever in the history of the USFS. If any of you don't believe me (sometimes I stretch the reality curve a LITTLE) just ask Justin. Justin has now been under the tutelage of Jennifer's boyfriend since about a year after BDJ, and he can tell us what he has learned from working under Jennifer's boyfriend and along side of him.

    Jennifer's boyfriend is one of the hardest working trail builders I have ever had the opportunity to work with. He isn't as concerned about erosion potential of a new constructed trail as I am, but he can move more large pieces of rock with a 6' steel bar than anyone I have ever seen (that's not entirely true but close).

    What is interesting about this whole relationship is that Jennifer doesn't seem to realize he boyfriend has done a thousand times more user built trail work before BDJ and a little after BDJ than I ever have.

    So after I did my sentence and paid my fine in full before I was sentenced, for doing the Tea Cup repair work I asked her to be the trail boss on the Anaconda trail, she once again thru me under the bus and said NO WAY JOSE. We are not going to let you work on an authorized FS project because you have shown NO REMORSE for your previous transgression. If some of us don't see the hypocrisy in that train of thought then my name isn't TD.

    I mean I am not the smartest passionate trail worker on earth like Jennifer's boyfriend but at least I have some passion about keeping trails in good working order, so why not give me a break like she has given her boyfriend?

    Anyway, she and Heather have chosen to make me suffer the rest of the days I have on this great earth and I will just have to keep documenting the history of how that suffering is affecting someone who has put their heart and soul into making Sedona a great world class mountain bike destination.

    As we all know mountain bikers are not recognized by the FS as primary users of the trail system. We are only allowed to use trails that the primary users (i.e. pedestrians, hikers, equestrians) have been designated to use the trail. I you don't believe me just read the Handbook.

    I, Jennifer's boyfriend and about eight others have tried to show the FS that the mountain bikers should be considered as primary users in the Coconino National Forest because we volunteered more effort into the great Sedona mountain bike trail system than any other group of volunteers before BDJ or after BDJ. Not only that but we don't mind sharing the fruits of those efforts with the hiking community of Sedona as long as they don't give us JAZZ (as Bill O'Reilly would say) about it.

    Now if you really want to find out who Jennifer's boyfriend is because your dying of curiosity you might want to check out Rama Jon's new book. It is fast becoming one of the hottest mountain biking books on Sedona mountain biking ever. Not only is Rama giving us the opportunity to see who Jennifer's boyfriend is, but he is donating some of the proceeds of his book towards a funding mechanism to perpetuate the progress of making mountain bilkers primary users on certain trails in Sedona.

    If he could just get Jennifer and her boyfriend to sign the book with a little comment like he did on my copy, the book would be flying off the sheves in the local Sedona bike shops. This would greatly help our cause in Sedona by letting people around the world know mountain bike trail building is a good thing. It allows people to travel long distances, get needed exercise, view beautiful scenery and enjoy the social benefits of riding with a bunch of like minded friends and possibly future friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Did anyone see the interview with Lance? Did he actually confess to doping or not?


    I would think an admission would set him up for some legal action.
    I think it's on right after the show on how scientiest just discovered the earth is round.
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    I don't need his full name, address, Social Security, and credit card number. Does the guy have a first name? Bill or Ted? George? Sue? That's gott be more concise than banging out "Jennifer's boyfriend" twenty times, right?

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    Clear the air

    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    First of

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    Too long, didn't read.

    Liar, or snitch, which hat do you find most comfortable?

    If you're not a snitch, what are you lying about in that long sh!t show of a post there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    First of all I would like to thank several viewers of this thread for not outing Jennifer's boyfriend. Her boyfriend has contributed several thousands of hours to the mountain biking user-built trail work before dating Jennifer (BDJ) and now after BDJ he has been the #1 Sedona FS volunteer doing the same work.

    He unlike any FS volunteer he came into his position with more hands on trail building experience than any other FS volunteer ever in the history of the USFS. If any of you don't believe me (sometimes I stretch the reality curve a LITTLE) just ask Justin. Justin has now been under the tutelage of Jennifer's boyfriend since about a year after BDJ, and he can tell us what he has learned from working under Jennifer's boyfriend and along side of him.

    Jennifer's boyfriend is one of the hardest working trail builders I have ever had the opportunity to work with. He isn't as concerned about erosion potential of a new constructed trail as I am, but he can move more large pieces of rock with a 6' steel bar than anyone I have ever seen (that's not entirely true but close).

    What is interesting about this whole relationship is that Jennifer doesn't seem to realize he boyfriend has done a thousand times more user built trail work before BDJ and a little after BDJ than I ever have.

    So after I did my sentence and paid my fine in full before I was sentenced, for doing the Tea Cup repair work I asked her to be the trail boss on the Anaconda trail, she once again thru me under the bus and said NO WAY JOSE. We are not going to let you work on an authorized FS project because you have shown NO REMORSE for your previous transgression. If some of us don't see the hypocrisy in that train of thought then my name isn't TD.

    I mean I am not the smartest passionate trail worker on earth like Jennifer's boyfriend but at least I have some passion about keeping trails in good working order, so why not give me a break like she has given her boyfriend?

    Anyway, she and Heather have chosen to make me suffer the rest of the days I have on this great earth and I will just have to keep documenting the history of how that suffering is affecting someone who has put their heart and soul into making Sedona a great world class mountain bike destination.

    As we all know mountain bikers are not recognized by the FS as primary users of the trail system. We are only allowed to use trails that the primary users (i.e. pedestrians, hikers, equestrians) have been designated to use the trail. I you don't believe me just read the Handbook.

    I, Jennifer's boyfriend and about eight others have tried to show the FS that the mountain bikers should be considered as primary users in the Coconino National Forest because we volunteered more effort into the great Sedona mountain bike trail system than any other group of volunteers before BDJ or after BDJ. Not only that but we don't mind sharing the fruits of those efforts with the hiking community of Sedona as long as they don't give us JAZZ (as Bill O'Reilly would say) about it.

    Now if you really want to find out who Jennifer's boyfriend is because your dying of curiosity you might want to check out Rama Jon's new book. It is fast becoming one of the hottest mountain biking books on Sedona mountain biking ever. Not only is Rama giving us the opportunity to see who Jennifer's boyfriend is, but he is donating some of the proceeds of his book towards a funding mechanism to perpetuate the progress of making mountain bilkers primary users on certain trails in Sedona.

    If he could just get Jennifer and her boyfriend to sign the book with a little comment like he did on my copy, the book would be flying off the sheves in the local Sedona bike shops. This would greatly help our cause in Sedona by letting people around the world know mountain bike trail building is a good thing. It allows people to travel long distances, get needed exercise, view beautiful scenery and enjoy the social benefits of riding with a bunch of like minded friends and possibly future friends.

    TD
    How do we know any of this rant is the truth? You've mislead before and admit it in this post!

    Sounds more like Jennifer turned you down for a dip in the hot tub, and you have never let it go.
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    LOL.. no one really gives a crap what his name is TD... It's your repetitive use of terms like "Jennifer's Boyfriend" or "User Built Experience" etc.. that make people want to ignore your post.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post

    Sounds more like Jennifer turned you down for a dip in the hot tub, and you have never let it go.
    I bet it went like:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    I don't need his full name, address, Social Security, and credit card number. Does the guy have a first name? Bill or Ted? George? Sue? That's gott be more concise than banging out "Jennifer's boyfriend" twenty times, right?
    Is there some hidden meaning in using the word that starts with a Ba?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post


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    Shortened it up for the readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    How do we know any of this rant is the truth?
    Its true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Its true.
    Truth and reality are such tricky things. To an individual, truth and reality are only measured by how your brain interprets a set of electrical signals. Now, to a properly functioning brain, truth and reality will be fairly similar to said individual and any unconnected bystander. But, if the said individual has a malfunctioning brain, truth, reality, and perception can be gravely different between said individual and a bystander.

    Did said individual tell the truth as they saw it? Possibly. Does it conflict with what actually happened? Possibly.

    See where I'm going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Truth and reality are such tricky things. To an individual, truth and reality are only measured by how your brain interprets a set of electrical signals. Now, to a properly functioning brain, truth and reality will be fairly similar to said individual and any unconnected bystander. But, if the said individual has a malfunctioning brain, truth, reality, and perception can be gravely different between said individual and a bystander.

    Did said individual tell the truth as they saw it? Possibly. Does it conflict with what actually happened? Possibly.

    See where I'm going?
    Yep, you also know I'm not the type to cut TD any slack or not call him out on BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Yep, you also know I'm not the type to cut TD any slack or not call him out on BS.
    77:

    Thank-you for lending some credibility to all of my previous posts on this very important subject matter. Jennifer and her boyfriend have almost single-handedly changed the mountain biking dynamic in Sedona.

    In Whistler Jennifer would be running the Parks and Recreation Department for the Whistler Muni and her boyfriend would be Chris Markle the famous mountain bike trail builder who built some of the most famous Whistler user built trails.

    They would both be looked at as pioneers in help building a great mountain bike trail system. They would both be openly given great praise for all their good works. My motive has always been to give Jennifer and her boyfriend the credit due them for what they are trying to accomplish.

    I think Rama sums it up in his book how Jennifer's boyfriend was able to influence the FS to adopt 80% of his masterpieces. To me this is a good thing and needs to be showcased, so they can get the credit due them.

    Unfortunately some people think that what Jennifer and her boyfriend have done is not that big of a deal, and they don't deserve anymore credit than other people who have work on Sedona trails. Well I am here to tell you those people don't know what they are talking about.

    Jennifer has struggled to get her employees to step it up and help with the adoption process. As usual not all her employees felt the same way as she did when it came to moving the paperwork forward in an efficient manner. So she said screw this I am going out of the system and am going to hire outside contractors to speed up the process. She needs to be commended for taking the initiative to hire people who are more efficient and quicker in completing the tasks needed to be done to move the adoption process forward.

    When she started dating her boyfriend she got her hands on the golden egg. Not only did her new boyfriend have the same vision as I did, but he also had the trail system to make her dream happen.

    I respect what Jennifer and her boyfriend have done and it is my hope other builders trails can also be adopted. Certainly if Jennifer can get Highline (Hiline) adopted the sky is the limit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackbombay View Post
    I think Easy has a crush on TD, why else would he have the same avatar as TD?
    FWI jackbombay, I just started reading this thread and stopped at your post to respond.

    I was reading another thread just a few moments and I noticed EasyE's avatar had changed (back I think) and thought, why would he do that? I now have a better understanding of what might have motivated the avatar change. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Interesting, I thought I read Traildoc had to tattle to get a reduced sentence!
    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    You read wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Pretty sure I read it correctly, not the only person that read it either! Maybe TD was trying to mislead people with his typing's? That or he thoguht it would gain him sympathy about his banning and fine situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Just got a PM from someone which claims that TD did not rat anyone out. I'll take their word on that. I still know what I read, so other than severe mental issues! I have no clue why someone would write that they did on a public forum.

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    I don't need his full name, address, Social Security, and credit card number. Does the guy have a first name? Bill or Ted? George? Sue? That's gott be more concise than banging out "Jennifer's boyfriend" twenty times, right?
    GUYS!!!!!and gals,

    I think I have a good understanding of this, allow me to interject.

    I have personally spoken with TD and I have no reason to believe he ratted out anyone to lessen his "sentence", if any of you do, bring it! I think we won't be hearing about that crap anymore!!!! Please!

    C64,
    Thank you for not jumping to conclusions on what was/may have been written. Who wrote what about who on a public forum? If it's irrelevant to the topic don't answer, I was just curious.

    EasyE,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Truth and reality are such tricky things. To an individual, truth and reality are only measured by how your brain interprets a set of electrical signals. Now, to a properly functioning brain, truth and reality will be fairly similar to said individual and any unconnected bystander. But, if the said individual has a malfunctioning brain, truth, reality, and perception can be gravely different between said individual and a bystander.

    Did said individual tell the truth as they saw it? Possibly. Does it conflict with what actually happened? Possibly.

    See where I'm going?
    EasyE, Absolutely!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Yep, you also know I'm not the type to cut TD any slack or not call him out on BS.
    m77ranger, That which you say, is true!! Albeit understandably harsh at times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post

    I have personally spoken with TD and I have no reason to believe he ratted out anyone to lessen his "sentence", if any of you do, bring it! I think we won't be hearing about that crap anymore!!!! Please!
    The crap you refer to was posted by the liar himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    The crap you refer to was posted by the liar himself.
    Oh really, we are talking about the same event right?

    You are saying that TD posted on this forum, that he snitched to the FS to lessen his sentence that he just did? If so, then that sir is contrary to what I had understood from him in person.

    No further discussion on this is necessary, I will no longer comment on anything from the username traildoc. I have no choice but to protect myself and remove myself completely from anything that TD is involved with. I will no longer support even the positive this man has done based on my core principles and ethics. I know when to hold em, and I know when to fold em...I'm all in!!! " FOLD!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    Oh really, we are talking about the same event right?

    You are saying that TD posted on this forum, that he snitched to the FS to lessen his sentence that he just did? If so, then that sir is contrary to what I had understood from him in person.

    No further discussion on this is necessary, I will no longer comment on anything from the username traildoc. I have no choice but to protect myself and remove myself completely from anything that TD is involved with. I will no longer support even the positive this man has done based on my core principles and ethics. I know when to hold em, and I know when to fold em...I'm all in!!! " FOLD!"

    Respectfully R&S
    I am backing Mrwhlr on this, as I read the same thing. Question is, if it was not the truth what point did TD have in proclaiming such a thing? If it is to stir up the forum and be a troll? Fine but don't expect anyone to believe what you post about Sedona as factual.

    All these claims that so and so won't let me do this or that. If I where in charge I also would have second thoughts with someone not being honest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    I am backing Mrwhlr on this, as I read the same thing. Question is, if it was not the truth what point did TD have in proclaiming such a thing? If it is to stir up the forum and be a troll? Fine but don't expect anyone to believe what you post about Sedona as factual.

    All these claims that so and so won't let me do this or that. If I where in charge I also would have second thoughts with someone not being honest.
    C64
    I am in the same boat as you guys now.

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    I am not completely convinced TD has absolutely lied to me, as I thought about things further, I don't think I ever questioned him about that issue in person, I think I just gave him the benefit of the doubt that no one would do such things even TD. This still remains unproven in my book but it certainly doesn't make me feel any better about the person I know in life and on this forum. Something isn't right, and instead of bashing and discrediting him, I will simply "ignore" him and I asked the same of him on here and in life. I wished him and his wife a peaceful happy journey in their life and endeavors.

    Thank you for your time,
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    I am in the same boat as you guys now.

    To ALL
    I am not completely convinced TD has absolutely lied to me, as I thought about things further, I don't think I ever questioned him about that issue in person, I think I just gave him the benefit of the doubt that no one would do such things even TD. This still remains unproven in my book but it certainly doesn't make me feel any better about the person I know in life and on this forum. Something isn't right, and instead of bashing and discrediting him, I will simply "ignore" him and I asked the same of him on here and in life. I wished him and his wife a peaceful happy journey in their life and endeavors.

    Thank you for your time,
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    Now back to your regular topic discussion.
    R&S, Why don't you fill us in on any conversations you may have had with the Red Rock District LEO?

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    R&S, Why don't you fill us in on any conversations you may have had with the Red Rock District LEO?
    Why not just man up and say what you mean?
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    Why not just man up and say what you mean?
    Hey! Only TD gets to tell people to man up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    Something isn't right,

    You've observed the endless flow of nonsense rhetoric and you're just now concluding that. Oh f@ck me, I just about fell out of my chair laughing! Thank you sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    R&S, Why don't you fill us in on any conversations you may have had with the Red Rock District LEO?
    Whoa, whoa, whoa!

    We already got one snitch around here, we don't need another.

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    Hey! Only TD gets to tell people to man up!
    I think traildock just likes the sound of 'man up' a little too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Whoa, whoa, whoa!

    We already got one snitch around here, we don't need another.
    Keep up, it's liar now, snitch still remains in question.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Keep up, it's liar now, snitch still remains in question.....
    They're all cut from the same cloth. You're just talking semantics at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    They're all cut from the same cloth. You're just talking semantics at this point.
    I cling to the slim possibility that it's both....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    R&S, Why don't you fill us in on any conversations you may have had with the Red Rock District LEO?
    rockman,

    Now you know I cannot do that, what I can do is this; I sent TD a PM this morning promising him no actions that may come against him will come from me. I will deal with my FS issue they way I believe I should, in private, with respect and consideration of others, without intimidation or reservations, and with truth and honesty. I can also tell you I think my issue is similar to TD's but that's where it ends. The difference is that I will handle it very differently, I have not been a PITA to them, and this is as far as I know I can talk about it without causing provocation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Why not just man up and say what you mean?
    Read between the lines. You're pretty good at that, besides the put-downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Read between the lines. You're pretty good at that, besides the put-downs.
    That's pretty chickensh!t. The truth is a defense to libel, so just don't lie
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    rockman,

    Now you know I cannot do that, what I can do is this; I sent TD a PM this morning promising him no actions that may come against him will come from me. I will deal with my FS issue they way I believe I should, in private, with respect and consideration of others, without intimidation or reservations, and with truth and honesty. I can also tell you I think my issue is similar to TD's but that's where it ends. The difference is that I will handle it very differently, I have not been a PITA to them, and this is as far as I know I can talk about it without causing provocation.

    Respectfully R&S
    You have issues with the Forest Service also? You have information that could make things even more difficult for TD?

    Let's break this down, why are so many in Sedona having issues with the forest service? Is there a mentality that we can built trials the way we want and the heck with the process?

    If you have further information that could be detrimental to TD's Sedona lifestyle. Once again, something is not right in what he is doing to where others have dirt on him which could sink his ship.

    TD is not coming across as an honest person, even he admits it. Why would any project manager want that type of person working on any projects?

    I would like TD to explain himself on some of these issues, but could we believe his words?

    You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar! TD seems to be walking around with a barrel of vingar in tow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    That's pretty chickensh!t. The truth is a defense to libel, so just don't lie
    I asked a simple question. Libel is a serious accusation. The words LIe and Snitch are easy to type behind an anonymous keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post

    TD is not coming across as an honest person, even he admits it. Why would any project manager want that type of person working on any projects?
    Traildoc is the victim here, you know that. This is a systematic and orchestrated campaign by the FS, and certain employees therein, to slander, vilify, defame, and denigrate Traildoc's good name. He's the good guy, everybody else is out to get him, making up the rules as they go along.

    Everybody knows this. Don't you follow the Sedrama?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    I asked a simple question. Libel is a serious accusation. The words LIe and Snitch are easy to type behind an anonymous keyboard.
    How innocent, asking a simple question. I gave you sound advice about how to proceed, if you had more to say about the RED ROCK DISTRICT LEO. Perhaps your reference was to an astrological sign? IDGAF.

    It's equally easy to type that you are a snitch, have people believe you, then type you lied about it, and have people believe that, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Traildoc is the victim here, you know that. This is a systematic and orchestrated campaign by the FS, and certain employees therein, to slander, vilify, defame, and denigrate Traildoc's good name. He's the good guy, everybody else is out to get him, making up the rules as they go along.

    Everybody knows this. Don't you follow the Sedrama?
    AAAahahahaha........that's like saying one could make Lance look worse.......it's not possible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Traildoc is the victim here, you know that. This is a systematic and orchestrated campaign by the FS, and certain employees therein, to slander, vilify, defame, and denigrate Traildoc's good name. He's the good guy, everybody else is out to get him, making up the rules as they go along.

    Everybody knows this. Don't you follow the Sedrama?
    That white stuff on top of chicken sh*t, is still chicken sh*t!
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    I think most of you TD haters really have a man crush on TD,,except EZ he now has one on Jennifers boyfriend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by el poseur View Post
    I think most of you TD haters really have a man crush on TD,,except EZ he now has one on Jennifers boyfriend.
    I think you are wrong! When you can't defend your actions attack your accuser!
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    Every so often, I read between the lines ... But this story is missing many chapters, it seems LOL

    When and where did this story begin ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post

    When and where did this story begin ?
    60 years ago TD's parents were murdered by a NEGATIVE USER EXPERIENCE and the FS did nothing to aid him. That's when he took matters into his own hands.

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    Let me just say this to all forum users.

    I am keeping my business private, I do not have the whole story on TD I just have my truthful honest accord of my situation. Details in it, are my business and my responsibility! I have informed all who have reasonable concern of my situation, and I have assured them "there is no snitch" from my POV and what I know to be truth. I still maintain my position as a US citizen, and it's my understanding that the USFS's role in it's management of US public land doesn't extend to controlling recreational use, unless that use inadvertently or directly causes the available natural resources (mainly timber and water, no minerals) to be adversely affected. Call me crazy, but I don't see that happening, so I don't see the issue. This is where I am finding myself standing on a island, thinking to myself "I cannot be the only one who understands this right?" I don't get an answer so I must be crazy!

    I don't think I have any "real" issue with the FS, and vise versa. Let me just say I'm not going to call or knock on their door, as for TD well enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    60 years ago TD's parents were murdered by a NEGATIVE USER EXPERIENCE and the FS did nothing to aid him. That's when he took matters into his own hands.
    Rep points if it would have allowed me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    60 years ago TD's parents were murdered by a NEGATIVE USER EXPERIENCE and the FS did nothing to aid him. That's when he took matters into his own hands.
    Isn't that essentially how 87% of Steven Seagal start out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Every so often, I read between the lines ... But this story is missing many chapters, it seems LOL

    When and where did this story begin ?
    Oh, my bad. I think some of those chapters were deleted because I posted horse sex videos in 'em .
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    Maybe we can get Oprah to interview TD next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Maybe we can get Oprah to interview TD next.
    Phillbo,

    BAD! BAD! BAD! That's the worst idea in the world's history of BAD ideas!!!!
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    Murder, Horse Sex & Oprah ... Animal House 2

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Murder, Horse Sex & Oprah ... Animal House 2

    Got it
    Don't tell me more
    Oh I won't!!! If I did it would kill you!!! Save yourself and IGNORE!!!!
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    RideNShine, is that like f#$k then blow? How did you come up with that? Who are you?

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    Riding Without the Traildoc

    Tonight I had dinner with an old friend that had pioneered the art of classic old school Sedona bushwhacking. I was showing him a new Garmin mapware that shows all the Sedona trails that visiting advanced tourons would like to ride.

    This mapware allows visiting riders to be their own tour guide of the really fun mountain biking trails. I have been trying to help the permitted outfitters get access to our most recently adopted trails that Jennifer's boyfriend built and what I am trying to do is get those trails certified for outfitter use.

    I have tried to contact the outfitters to see how things are working with the FS, and I get no return calls, so I have come to the conclusion they have all gone out of business, and there needs to be a substitute for their absence.

    Anyway if a rider has their own GPS or wants to buy one to learn how it can be used to guide you on the spaghetti like Sedona trails, that is my goal. As time goes on I will be providing TD recommended loops using Jennifer's Boyfriends Trails (JBT). All recommended loops are JBT certified and this certification will guarantee as least every loop will contain at least four of JBT certified trails. A normal loop will usually consist of 12 trails that will pass probably 10 unmarked intersections and 4 to 5 marked intersections.

    So you kind of get the picture you can either wander around for 3 or 4 days on your hard earned Sedona mountain bike vacation, or you can allow me to provide you with the tools to be your own professional guide instantly.

    Many times I get a PM from friends or individuals coming to Sedona for the first time. Several times I have been unavailable to show people around on a great ride and now I can be their guide without even riding with them.

    I use to believe I was the only one who knew most if not all JBT trails and tonight that long time pioneer friend told me about another JBT trail that I had never known the person who built it. We actually rode the bottom half of the trail last Sunday and it rode real nice. The top half was always super gnarly, and it would be interesting how it currently rides.

    The trail could be incorporated into a real nice 400+ elevation drop ride for those riders who don't like much uphill, but like more technical downhill. Anyway give the idea some thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    RideNShine, is that like f#$k then blow? How did you come up with that? Who are you?
    Uuuuuuuh...I was being sarcastic... Sedona local and you?
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    man its frustrating when i can't even figure out what the **** is going on in a thread to even be able to make a joke about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    man its frustrating when i can't even figure out what the **** is going on in a thread to even be able to make a joke about it.
    lhm:

    Mike :

    I understand your frustration, I also am frustrated. The reason we don't want to disclose Jennifer's boyfriend's (JB) name is, that doing so would instantly put him into a celebrity status due to his good work. In Sedona we have an uptick of paperatcy looking for him. Her boyfriend is a very shy and does not want to suffer the onslaught of requests from mountain biking publications from all of the world for interviews as to how he pulled off this unbelievable feat.

    I is easy to understand why guys like Eazy_E, Cycle64 & Phillbo don't believe this could possibly happen. There is actually some more to the story that happened after
    BDJ that would not be appreciated by Jennifer, if she found out about it. Jennifer can be pretty unforgiving and if her boyfriend ever falls out of her favor he better head out of town quickly.

    We would have never have had to have gotten to this point if I had been treated fairly. I spent my time restricted from the forest I love for six months, I paid a substantial fine for misjudging my trust in Jennifer. I do appreciate MTBR for letting me tell this story to get the record straight. It has been a tough sled for me, and I hope to get it by me sooner rather than later.

    Without the internet it would have been impossible to get the word out about this matter. Can you imagine sending out letters to all the interested parties. Then trying to get them to write and send a letter back to me, it would have been crazy and very expensive.

    I mean we are talking about a trail enhancement, not murder, not rape, not armed robbery, not assault, not shoplifting, not selling dope, not arson, not smoking dope, not drunken driving and not walking my dog off leash.

    I would appreciate your prayers regarding this injustice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I is easy to understand why guys like Eazy_E, Cycle64 & Phillbo don't believe this could possibly happen. There is actually some more to the story that happened after
    BDJ that would not be appreciated by Jennifer, if she found out about it. Jennifer can be pretty unforgiving and if her boyfriend ever falls out of her favor he better head out of town quickly.
    Is this claim factual or another one of your misleading half truths to make yourself feel persecuted?

    When was it MTBR became the poor me Dear Abby forum for all things TD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Is this claim factual or another one of your misleading half truths to make yourself feel persecuted?

    When was it MTBR became the poor me Dear Abby forum for all things TD?
    Agree. We need less Dear Abby and more Dear Penthouse around here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Is this claim factual or another one of your misleading half truths to make yourself feel persecuted?

    When was it MTBR became the poor me Dear Abby forum for all things TD?
    I am afraid it is and I probably shouldn't have said anything, but when I am being discriminated against because I was a past misdemeanor guy in the eyes of Jennifer and Heather, I truly believe her boyfriend is being shown favoritism. If I don't fight fire with fire how can there ever be any final closure?

    I tried asking nicely when I called Adrian and asked her if I could adopt Anaconda. She said she would be happy to work with me (Adrian is a very sweet person and is trying her hardest to do a good job and the right thing), but as we all know she had to push it up to Jennifer and Heather which I totally understand.

    Now by now we all know Jennifer had to know her boyfriend built at least ONE user built trail (because I reminded her he was the number one trail builder in Sedona BDJ several times) in Sedona, I never told her he built ten or more because I didn't want her to chop off his you know what, but that was the reality. So that brings us to the point we are now at.

    We all know there has been other mountain bike areas (Bend, Jackson Hole, Moab, Downieville, etc) that the mountain bikers have not sat around waiting for the landmanager to think of them as a primary user rather than a secondary user. If you read Rama's new book you will get the real story about the history of Sedona mountain biking from his perspective not mine, and I think you will come to the same conclusion as I have.

    You of all people might want to take the time to read it. It is fast becoming the number one mountain bike history books to read. Note that the author has a disclaimer in the book, so hopefully everyone discussed in the book won't go to prison, but it gives you an idea how a place similar to Sedona went through an interesting time period of mountain bike history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post

    Now by now we all know Jennifer had to know her boyfriend built at least ONE user built trail (because I reminded her he was the number one trail builder in Sedona BDJ several times) in Sedona, I never told her he built ten or more because I didn't want her to chop off his you know what, but that was the reality. So that brings us to the point we are now at.

    .
    Another one gets thrown under the bus.

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    WTF does BDJ stand for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    WTF does BDJ stand for ?
    ....what traildock's wife doesn't do for him anymore!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    WTF does BDJ stand for ?
    Phillbo:

    If you didn't have your ignore button on you would not be asking the question. Go back and read my last five posts in entirety. It is a very important time period in the Sedrama mountain bike history.

    TD

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I am afraid it is

    (didn't read).

    w a place similar to Sedona went through an interesting time period of mountain bike history.
    Hohehohoho........demonstrate to the entire internet you're a liar and marginalize yourself. Nice work there, ace!
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I am afraid it is and I probably shouldn't have said anything, but when I am being discriminated against because I was a past misdemeanor guy in the eyes of Jennifer and Heather, I truly believe her boyfriend is being shown favoritism. If I don't fight fire with fire how can there ever be any final closure?

    I tried asking nicely when I called Adrian and asked her if I could adopt Anaconda. She said she would be happy to work with me (Adrian is a very sweet person and is trying her hardest to do a good job and the right thing), but as we all know she had to push it up to Jennifer and Heather which I totally understand.

    Now by now we all know Jennifer had to know her boyfriend built at least ONE user built trail (because I reminded her he was the number one trail builder in Sedona BDJ several times) in Sedona, I never told her he built ten or more because I didn't want her to chop off his you know what, but that was the reality. So that brings us to the point we are now at.

    We all know there has been other mountain bike areas (Bend, Jackson Hole, Moab, Downieville, etc) that the mountain bikers have not sat around waiting for the landmanager to think of them as a primary user rather than a secondary user. If you read Rama's new book you will get the real story about the history of Sedona mountain biking from his perspective not mine, and I think you will come to the same conclusion as I have.

    You of all people might want to take the time to read it. It is fast becoming the number one mountain bike history books to read. Note that the author has a disclaimer in the book, so hopefully everyone discussed in the book won't go to prison, but it gives you an idea how a place similar to Sedona went through an interesting time period of mountain bike history.
    Again I ask, how do we know this is the truth as you have mislead before!

    The poor me thing is a little old, but if you want to hang on to it, it's your call.
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    I've been trying to convince raisingarizona to hook up with the new district ranger to speed things up in flag. He's not going for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Again I ask, how do we know this is the truth as you have mislead before!

    The poor me thing is a little old, but if you want to hang on to it, it's your call.
    64:

    You obviously will never believe ANYTHING I type is true, but let me give you one other bit of information. The 130+ miles of new user built mountain bike trails since 1995 were not all routed by Jennifer's boyfriend. We are not going to give him all the CREDIT for riding in all those favored hiking and mountain biking routes. Let's say he should get credit for 15 to 20 miles maybe a little less who knows, but certainly more than fourteen.

    One of his first trails was adopted over fifteen years ago. It is a piece of crap mountain bike trail and may still be showcased in Cosmic Rays Fat Tire Guide book, but it is not my recommended ride that is for sure.

    Anyway to get to my point, before Jennifer thru me under the bus Jennifer's boyfriend and I were good friends. Due to his shyness in the early days you didn't see much of him. After his spent a busy day at work he would take his beloved dogs on a hike all over Sedona. Are you getting the picture yet?

    During his hikes he would experience the same SIGHTINGS the native americans use to experience in those same spots while hunting game or taking their girl friends for a roll in the cactus.

    Now 64 what do you think he found when he went on those dog off leash (is that a misdemeanor?) HIKES? To Be Continued
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    His name is Phil?

    All this gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and his name is Phil?

    FML....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    Uuuuuuuh...I was being sarcastic... Sedona local and you?
    Local? How many generations?

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    Hypocricy??????????? Favoritism???????? Discrimination??????

    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    His name is Phil?

    All this gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and his name is Phil?

    FML....
    Wrong again Eazy, or are you a snitch? How could it possibly be Phil? Phil is the number one FS volunteer worker since BDJ, how could that be possible? You can't possibly be a user built trail builder and work for Jennifer and Heather it just isn't RIGHT, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    Local? How many generations?
    Let me put it to the forum another way so those who ask stupid questions and don't know how to read a profile, can learn to inform themselves, or be more considerate.

    I own and live in a house within the city limits of Sedona, look it up it's public record. I have been living there since 06/12', so to answer your question...First generation, neighbor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    His name is Phil?

    All this gnashing of teeth and wringing of hands and his name is Phil?

    FML....
    Hey who the heck is Phil? I thought we were going to call it "Steve"! Steve is nice, I like Steve.

    Ok...Ok... We'll call it "Phil" but can we call it Phil Collins? I like Genesis!!
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    Wait you don't mean phillbo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post

    Anyway to get to my point, before Jennifer thru me under the bus Phil and I were good friends. Do to his shyness in the early days you didn't see much of him. After his spent a busy day at work he would take his beloved dogs on a hike all over Sedona. Are you getting the picture yet?
    How is that guy's name not Phil?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    Let me put it to the forum another way so those who ask stupid questions and don't know how to read a profile, can learn to inform themselves, or be more considerate.

    I own and live in a house within the city limits of Sedona, look it up it's public record. I have been living there since 06/12', so to answer your question...First generation, neighbor.
    Mellow out there Johnny come lately and go easy on throwing the word local around, I don't ever claim local status since I have only been in the area for 11 years. Then again it is very........Sedona of you to do so.

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