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    We want to sponsor riders..

    I am a local rider (weekend warrior) and my wife and I are opening a business in the Valley called , The Drip Room. We will provide IV Vitamin Therapy. Many athletes enjoy these treatments for health, wellness and hydration. As a rider I would like to try and figure out if sponsoring riders is viable. Here are my questions.

    1. What is standard for a sponsored rider, taking in consideration the company is new and growing? We are not GoDaddy

    2. Is it difficult to find riders

    3. Anyone interested in being sponsored or have a team looking for sponsorship?

    Thanks in advance for your help.

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    what kind of licensing and liability insurance do you need before opening a business where you administer IV injections for recreational purposes?
    something like that almost screams to authorities, health inspectors, and a line of injury attorneys stretching around the block.
    if you are not a licensed physician, you definitely want to make sure you have covered EVERY possible angle with an attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    what kind of licensing and liability insurance do you need before opening a business where you administer IV injections for recreational purposes?
    something like that almost screams to authorities, health inspectors, and a line of injury attorneys stretching around the block.
    if you are not a licensed physician, you definitely want to make sure you have covered EVERY possible angle with an attorney.
    Looks like it works well for people who don't eat well and are in a good financial position. Potential benefits last about 24 hours, so it might be good for a bike race if you don't eat much a couple days before a race.

    It would be interesting what the demographics need to be to make the business model work? Seems like you want to be closer to Hollywood than Phoenix.

    It would be interesting if you could set the business up at the airport? You could administer the IV to wealthy travelers who are waiting for their flight.

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    i was referring not to the demand for the service, but more to the medical certification allowing you to legally pump your own mixture of stuff directly into someones veins and charge them for it.
    a huge chunk of prescription drug costs goes into the we're-going-to-get-our-butts-sued-eventually-by-someone jar

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    what kind of licensing and liability insurance do you need before opening a business where you administer IV injections for recreational purposes?
    something like that almost screams to authorities, health inspectors, and a line of injury attorneys stretching around the block.
    if you are not a licensed physician, you definitely want to make sure you have covered EVERY possible angle with an attorney.
    Thanks for the post. We are all covered on all angles. There is a ton of info on our Facebook site if you want to search it out. Hundreds of comments and tons of info. We operate with NMD's, MD's, RN's and have all the legal and licensing covered.

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    It's also great for hydration and the B vitamins have a half life of 7 days and are flooded into your system on a cellular level. If you are curious about the demographics you can search out The Drip Room on FB. There are literally hundreds of comments and thousands of people that have already started getting geared up to come.

    So any ideas on sponsoring racers?

    Thanks!

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    IV Vitamin Therapy has been around since the 70s. It's very safe. In order to legally administer these you must have a MD or NMD and the person starting the IV needs to be a registered nurse or a license that allows for IV's.

    Any thoughts on a good way to find riders to sponsor?

    Thanks

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    Had to check this out online, and you are right, there is a wealth of information out there on the subject, and a range of providers. I am sure you've looked into it, but have you also thought of partnering with a sports medicine/sports therapy practitioner? Seems to be the demographic you're going for. I am always DFL, and I just about pass out whenever I have blood drawn, so you wouldn't want to sponsor me, but I sure wish you and your wife success in this endeavor!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GilaMonster View Post
    ruzz-
    Had to check this out online, and you are right, there is a wealth of information out there on the subject, and a range of providers. I am sure you've looked into it, but have you also thought of partnering with a sports medicine/sports therapy practitioner? Seems to be the demographic you're going for. I am always DFL, and I just about pass out whenever I have blood drawn, so you wouldn't want to sponsor me, but I sure wish you and your wife success in this endeavor!
    Gila Monster, we are looking at a variety of strategic partners. Everything from healthy eateries, gyms etc. There are a ton of natural synergies with our product. Thanks so much for the kind words! We are opening in 30-45 days and we are posting updates frequently on our FB site. Like the page and you'll get some good info. We don't over post.

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    probably just show up to one of the local races coming up in the winter months, and just have a both open and you can do your recruiting there. Also going on Hookit.com it's a grassroots type of self sponsorship finding for athletes. Also going to local bike shops. My shops sponsors a few cycling clubs and always looking for more to add to the clubs sponsorship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    I bet it's sweet for hangovers eh?
    Yes, it is. Hangovers are not our target market but there are a ton of people wanting it.....who are we to judge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi View Post
    probably just show up to one of the local races coming up in the winter months, and just have a both open and you can do your recruiting there. Also going on Hookit.com it's a grassroots type of self sponsorship finding for athletes. Also going to local bike shops. My shops sponsors a few cycling clubs and always looking for more to add to the clubs sponsorship.
    Thanks!

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    From a business standpoint: shouldn't you wait until you're profitable to spend cash sponsoring racers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzz View Post
    It's also great for hydration and the B vitamins have a half life of 7 days and are flooded into your system on a cellular level. If you are curious about the demographics you can search out The Drip Room on FB. There are literally hundreds of comments and thousands of people that have already started getting geared up to come.

    So any ideas on sponsoring racers?

    Thanks!
    ruzz:

    Is there any truth to this statement:

    "The treatment of B12 deficiency, as has been established from studies done in the 1960s, is ORAL B12. That’s right. Pills. Injections of B12 are not necessary—oral supplements work well, even in pernicious anemia. They’re cheap and they work. I suppose a very rare patient, say one who has surgically lost most of their gut, could require injections. But the vast majority of people with genuine B12 deficiency can get all of the B12 they need through eating foods or swallowing supplements. No needles needed."

    Are there other B deficiencies that can only be addressed with IV therapy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley View Post
    From a business standpoint: shouldn't you wait until you're profitable to spend cash sponsoring racers?
    Not in this scenario. We have budgeted for certain types of marketing. Rider sponsorships, race sponsorships, booths at events and many other marketing efforts are in the budget. But your point is reasonable and many business would wait.

    THanks

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    Individual cases may vary but generally anything taken orally a large portion is destroyed by the stomach acids and the body is not able to absorb making it the least effective method of absorption. The second best method for absorption is IM (intra-muscular injection) and maximum absorption can only be achieved by IV. by the body
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    ruzz:

    Is there any truth to this statement:

    "The treatment of B12 deficiency, as has been established from studies done in the 1960s, is ORAL B12. That’s right. Pills. Injections of B12 are not necessary—oral supplements work well, even in pernicious anemia. They’re cheap and they work. I suppose a very rare patient, say one who has surgically lost most of their gut, could require injections. But the vast majority of people with genuine B12 deficiency can get all of the B12 they need through eating foods or swallowing supplements. No needles needed."

    Are there other B deficiencies that can only be addressed with IV therapy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    a free coffee enema with the deluxe spa package

    mike:

    I think you went off topic, the discussion is about the benefits of IV vitamin therapy for mountain bikers in a race situation and how the OP could provide the IV for free or maybe a reduced price.

    Maybe the OP could let the MTBR members who are viewing this thread know what kind of a rider he is looking for. I assume either gender qualifies , I assume he wants someone who is an active racer and has placed in the top five, but not first in their class regularly.

    Something like Chad's Endurance series might work well. Let's say Chad beats Kurt in the next Gila 100 after the IV vitamin therapy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzz View Post
    Individual cases may vary but generally anything taken orally a large portion is destroyed by the stomach acids and the body is not able to absorb making it the least effective method of absorption. The second best method for absorption is IM (intra-muscular injection) and maximum absorption can only be achieved by IV. by the body
    ruzz:

    So are you saying food that we eat is destroyed by stomach acids making it not effective? I take a multi-vitamin that says I am getting 417% of the daily B12 requirement. What percentage of B12 would a 180 lb. healthy individual need to take orally to get a the maximum healthy amount of B12 ("Vitamin B12 can be consumed in large doses because excess is excreted by the body or stored in the liver for use when supplies are scarce. Stores of B12 can last for up to a year." )?

    Are the IV Vitamins your business administers customized for each individual you treat? If so how do you determine what percentage of the different vitamins each individual needs?

    Since you are introducing vitamins directly into the blood stream which is more efficient than orally, do your recommended IV vitamin dosage amounts increase or decrease compared to recommended oral amounts from a 2,000 calorie diet?

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    It's nice that you want to sponsor riders. I REALLY, REALLY HOPE for you sake that you are not using this forum to promote your business.
    I am fighting the urge with all my might NOT to comment on the services you provide. I have a strong background in medicine and science. So thread lightly.

    You should strongly consider editing your posts so they don't include the specifics of what your business does - because that sounds like free promotion. You can pay MTBR for advertising. If you are truly looking to sponsor then it shouldn't matter if you infuse the purple stuff or sell cupcakes.

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    We want to sponsor riders..

    Many pro cycling teams have "no needle" policies, as is recommended by WADA
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    Interesting....I did not know that. Thanks for that info.
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    ruzz -
    maybe you are already on it but I would suggest you look at targeting the road and triathalon crowds as well. Wouldn't be surprised if they yield more business. See guys lined up in the road races who spare no expense, lots of coaches, massages, VO2 max testing etc, so the IV therapy certainly would seem to fall in line nicely.

    Are you looking at being a primary or co-sponsor? if the latter, maybe check in with some local teams that seem to fit your demo and see if they are interested in teaming up. Timing would be good as teams look for new sponsors for 2014 and get their kits designed.

    Good luck with your efforts!

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    Heard B vitamins could be toxic ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy View Post
    Many pro cycling teams have "no needle" policies, as is recommended by WADA
    UCI Approve Change To No Needle Policy | Cyclingnews.com

    "The No Needle Policy was enacted shortly before the 2011 Giro d'Italia and prohibits any injection that is not "medically justified based on latest recognized scientific knowledge and evidence based medicine". The ruling has meant riders and teams have not been able to utilise this method to reduce recovery times or improve performance. This includes the injection of vitamins, sugars, enzymes, amino acids and antioxidants."

    Even the majority of grassroots event participants on Bikepacking.net agreed with the UCI rule when this discussion popped up over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    It's nice that you want to sponsor riders. I REALLY, REALLY HOPE for you sake that you are not using this forum to promote your business.
    I am fighting the urge with all my might NOT to comment on the services you provide. I have a strong background in medicine and science. So thread lightly.

    You should strongly consider editing your posts so they don't include the specifics of what your business does - because that sounds like free promotion. You can pay MTBR for advertising. If you are truly looking to sponsor then it shouldn't matter if you infuse the purple stuff or sell cupcakes.
    Why hold back Metal? You might save somebody's health or even their life.

    I also have a strong background in science and have a pretty strong and informed opinion about this kind of "treatment" myself. I am especially sensitive to this subject because I believe people are risking their health and sometimes their lives buy putting their blind faith into "Naturopathic" or "Alternative Medicine" treatments. My wife's best friend died as a direct result of this sort of thing. I'm not going to get into a long drawn out debate about this subject but I feel it is important to let folks know that this sort of thing is not science or evidence based and might actually be dangerous.

    I'd like to see one legit peer reviewed study that shows the effectiveness and SAFETY of high doses of vitamins for HEALTHY people. Of course we have no idea what the specific mix of vitamins might be here anyway. The last thing I would do is take an IV of some unknown and likely not FDA approved or tested mixture of "vitamins". People have been fed this erroneous line of reasoning that if something is "natural" it must be safe. Uranium is natural as are arsenic and heroin. This is pure quackery.

    Sorry ruzz, I generally try to stay out of the drama here but if you are going to pitch your business on mtbr I feel totally justified in giving my educated opinion about it especially if it might prevent somebody from wasting their money and unnecessarily risking their health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    Why hold back Metal? You might save somebody's health or even their life.

    I also have a strong background in science and have a pretty strong and informed opinion about this kind of "treatment" myself. I am especially sensitive to this subject because I believe people are risking their health and sometimes their lives buy putting their blind faith into "Naturopathic" or "Alternative Medicine" treatments. My wife's best friend died as a direct result of this sort of thing. I'm not going to get into a long drawn out debate about this subject but I feel it is important to let folks know that this sort of thing is not science or evidence based and might actually be dangerous.

    I'd like to see one legit peer reviewed study that shows the effectiveness and SAFETY of high doses of vitamins for HEALTHY people. Of course we have no idea what the specific mix of vitamins might be here anyway. The last thing I would do is take an IV of some unknown and likely not FDA approved or tested mixture of "vitamins". People have been fed this erroneous line of reasoning that if something is "natural" it must be safe. Uranium is natural as are arsenic and heroin. This is pure quackery.

    Sorry ruzz, I generally try to stay out of the drama here but if you are going to pitch your business on mtbr I feel totally justified in giving my educated opinion about it especially if it might prevent somebody from wasting their money and unnecessarily risking their health.
    When ruzz didn't answer my question about recommended dosage levels for oral vrs IV, I also questioned the spending part. If people have lots of money to spend and want to take time out of their day to sit somewhere for an hour or so and talk to like minded folks who share the same opinion they do, who cares.

    You have warned them about potential side effects, so if something bad were to happened they are forewarned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    ruzz:

    So are you saying food that we eat is destroyed by stomach acids making it not effective? I take a multi-vitamin that says I am getting 417% of the daily B12 requirement. What percentage of B12 would a 180 lb. healthy individual need to take orally to get a the maximum healthy amount of B12 ("Vitamin B12 can be consumed in large doses because excess is excreted by the body or stored in the liver for use when supplies are scarce. Stores of B12 can last for up to a year." )?

    Are the IV Vitamins your business administers customized for each individual you treat? If so how do you determine what percentage of the different vitamins each individual needs?

    Since you are introducing vitamins directly into the blood stream which is more efficient than orally, do your recommended IV vitamin dosage amounts increase or decrease compared to recommended oral amounts from a 2,000 calorie diet?
    This is a medical question that I would direct to our lead nurse or our NMD. I can tell you that there is a medical exam and we do customize dosage when needed. The "gut" destroys the nutrients to a certain degree. We flood your system at a cellular level. Any excess vitamins or nutrients that your body cannot or does not need are simply passed through urine. PM me if you want more specific info and I can put you in touch with a doctor or nurse. Thanks!

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    The Drip Room has NMD's, MD's, RN's, LPN's and Paramedics on the team. All licensing, health, legal and insurance requirements are being met. Thanks!
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    what kind of licensing and liability insurance do you need before opening a business where you administer IV injections for recreational purposes?
    something like that almost screams to authorities, health inspectors, and a line of injury attorneys stretching around the block.
    if you are not a licensed physician, you definitely want to make sure you have covered EVERY possible angle with an attorney.

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    My intention with this thread was to learn if anyone could share some info on rider sponsorship. My intention was not to drum up business. We have a huge demand for our services and while we are always looking to network, build quality relationships and make great partnerships we tend to do this organically. I am a MTB rider since 2006 and I LOVE the community, the passion and people in the sport. I really reached out to you guys as a friend of the sport, these boards and to tap into a great wealth of knowledge. If my post has been perceived as spam that was not my intentions and I apologize to anyone I may have offended.
    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    It's nice that you want to sponsor riders. I REALLY, REALLY HOPE for you sake that you are not using this forum to promote your business.
    I am fighting the urge with all my might NOT to comment on the services you provide. I have a strong background in medicine and science. So thread lightly.

    You should strongly consider editing your posts so they don't include the specifics of what your business does - because that sounds like free promotion. You can pay MTBR for advertising. If you are truly looking to sponsor then it shouldn't matter if you infuse the purple stuff or sell cupcakes.

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    Gila Monster, our treatments are not for everyone. We market and cater to "the walking well" and do not treat chronic conditions. For people with chronic conditions we would refer them to an NMD. It is awful to hear your friends wife passed away but I would have to believe it was her condition and not the treatment that ultimately caused her passing. Their will always be a debate over Eastern and Western medicine and we will never tell people what is right for them. The one thing I can tell you is that your friends wife did not pass away from IV Vitamin Therapy. In 27 years no one has died from this treatment. It is very safe and their are legions of people that have had miraculous results from these treatments. It is not for everyone and we won't try to convince people they need this. Some people "get it" and believe in it and other will err on the side of traditional Western Medicine. I can tell you that Western Medicine is rapidly embracing IV Therapy. With that said, I do appreciate your comment but no once has died from "this sort of thing"
    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    Why hold back Metal? You might save somebody's health or even their life.

    I also have a strong background in science and have a pretty strong and informed opinion about this kind of "treatment" myself. I am especially sensitive to this subject because I believe people are risking their health and sometimes their lives buy putting their blind faith into "Naturopathic" or "Alternative Medicine" treatments. My wife's best friend died as a direct result of this sort of thing. I'm not going to get into a long drawn out debate about this subject but I feel it is important to let folks know that this sort of thing is not science or evidence based and might actually be dangerous.

    I'd like to see one legit peer reviewed study that shows the effectiveness and SAFETY of high doses of vitamins for HEALTHY people. Of course we have no idea what the specific mix of vitamins might be here anyway. The last thing I would do is take an IV of some unknown and likely not FDA approved or tested mixture of "vitamins". People have been fed this erroneous line of reasoning that if something is "natural" it must be safe. Uranium is natural as are arsenic and heroin. This is pure quackery.

    Sorry ruzz, I generally try to stay out of the drama here but if you are going to pitch your business on mtbr I feel totally justified in giving my educated opinion about it especially if it might prevent somebody from wasting their money and unnecessarily risking their health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncbuster View Post
    Heard B vitamins could be toxic ...
    I have not heard this but directed to our medical team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    When ruzz didn't answer my question about recommended dosage levels for oral vrs IV, I also questioned the spending part. If people have lots of money to spend and want to take time out of their day to sit somewhere for an hour or so and talk to like minded folks who share the same opinion they do, who cares.

    You have warned them about potential side effects, so if something bad were to happened they are forewarned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    It's nice that you want to sponsor riders. I REALLY, REALLY HOPE for you sake that you are not using this forum to promote your business.
    I am fighting the urge with all my might NOT to comment on the services you provide. I have a strong background in medicine and science. So thread lightly.

    You should strongly consider editing your posts so they don't include the specifics of what your business does - because that sounds like free promotion. You can pay MTBR for advertising. If you are truly looking to sponsor then it shouldn't matter if you infuse the purple stuff or sell cupcakes.
    Oh lord, get off of your self righteous soap box, Metal. Do you always have to be the hall monitor?

    Ugh, Ruzz, perhaps you could contact several road or mtb teams in the valley who might be interested in your product/services. Sadly, that UCI rule would discount some riders, and those who do partake, would have to deny deny deny. Don't listen to these fat strava hating people who never race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruzz View Post
    I have not heard this but directed to our medical team.
    I know I'm bumping an old thread, but if you are running a business touting the wonders of IV vitamin therapy, you should know at least the basics, not "I'll refer that to the medicos".

    Basically, the "3"s (B3, B6, B9 and B12) have toxicity levels. B6 in particular can start with adverse effects at doses 200mg or more. Considering that you advertise a few different therapies with "megadoses" of B6 and others, I think you would want to know the side effects yourself. Hell, I know some of them and I only have an exercise physiology background.

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    Reach out to the local bike shops as they already have people they sponsor.

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