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    Tomahawk Trail Memorial - Traildoc haters and haters in general... take a hike!

    Went for a ride late this afternoon. On my way up Schnebley I passed several trucks filled with CREC crews. I held back the urge to say something crass as they drove by waving at me cheerily... I knew where they were coming from.

    When I got above Merry Go Round I hiked up to the start of Tomahawk... And alas it was true... Tomahawk is gone.

    For those of you who did not have the pleasure of riding Tomahawk, the trail descended through bands of flowing, steep, exposed slickrock which were connected by beautiful corridors of Arizona Cypress and huge Manzanita.

    Tomahawk offered a truly unique experience that no other trail in Sedona does.

    But... What's done is done.

    This post is to honor and remember Tomahawk in all her garlyness, and to pay tribute to the people who created and shared a work of art that I and many others loved to ride.

    Thank You... from the bottom of my dirty, greasy heart.

    Please share your Tomahawk photos and videos here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CANADIANBACON View Post
    Went for a ride late this afternoon. On my way up Schnebley I passed several trucks filled with CREC crews. I held back the urge to say something crass as they drove by waving at me cheerily... I knew where they were coming from.

    When I got above Merry Go Round I hiked up to the start of Tomahawk... And alas it was true... Tomahawk is gone.

    For those of you who did not have the pleasure of riding Tomahawk, the trail descended through bands of flowing, steep, exposed slickrock which were connected by beautiful corridors of Arizona Cypress and huge Manzanita.

    Tomahawk offered a truly unique experience that no other trail in Sedona does.

    But... What's done is done.

    This post is to honor and remember Tomahawk in all her garlyness, and to pay tribute to the people who created and shared a work of art that I and many others loved to ride.

    Thank You... from the bottom of my dirty, greasy heart.

    Please share your Tomahawk photos and videos here.

    Thanks,
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    Was the closure of Tomahawk related to the AZ MTBR Forum, and how some used it for personal exploitations?
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    Hmmm. I thought the purpose of this thread was clear... Say something cool about the trail, post a picture, post a video keep it positive.... But NO.

    C64, I can't believe you are being SO disrespectful towards me and all those who loved Tomahawk trail.

    Don't even try to give me a B.S. line like "I was just asking a legitimate question". Take your your thinly veiled vindictive mission to 'pin the tail on the goat' and beat it!

    DRAMA OVER - Tomahawk Memorial ON!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CANADIANBACON View Post
    Hmmm. I thought the purpose of this thread was clear... Say something cool about the trail, post a picture, post a video keep it positive.... But NO.

    C64, I can't believe you are being SO disrespectful towards me and all those who loved Tomahawk trail.

    Don't even try to give me a B.S. line like "I was just asking a legitimate question". Take your your thinly veiled vindictive mission to 'pin the tail on the goat' and beat it!

    DRAMA OVER - Tomahawk Memorial ON!

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    Settle down, you brought drama to the post with the title of the thread. Drop the TD reference and the thread would have gained traction.

    Not being disrespectful at all! How is calling people TD haters related to the closure? And by all means post memories of Tomahawk if you like.

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    Truly a masterpiece of trail design and routing. I'm glad I got the chance to ride it. I'm going to miss the skinnies and other challenges on KillerB as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Truly a masterpiece of trail design and routing. I'm glad I got the chance to ride it. I'm going to miss the skinnies and other challenges on KillerB as well.
    bummed i never had a chance, all those pics were beautiful. Fuggin kids keeping me home every weekend. Given this, and all the silliness about that jumpline -- i think I'd kill myself if I was trying to 'make a difference' in Sedona and had to deal with Federal officials instead of local ones.

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    Oh well, guess I'll have to ride some of the other hundreds of worthwhile trails in this large place called Arizona, just not that one in the small place called Sedona.
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    Sad to see Tomahawk go...

    Scared to imagine how many more are on the chopping block. I was hoping building would cease/slow but that the inventory would remain intact.

    It appears the USFS has other plans...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noelg View Post
    Sad to see Tomahawk go...

    Scared to imagine how many more are on the chopping block. I was hoping building would cease/slow but that the inventory would remain intact.

    It appears the USFS has other plans...
    i reckon there will be ebb and flow. Eventually the FS will exhaust its budget at $5k a pop for restoration, and new trails will be born. They just wont be splattered all over the internet.

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    Yes, sad to see Tomahawk go. Shreded it a couple of times and its a bummer that its gone. Have no pics due to the low key that this trail should've been kept in. Was going to visit it soon, bummer that won't happen now. I hear it goes thru sensitive area and that why its being closed? RIP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Oh well, guess I'll have to ride some of the other hundreds of worthwhile trails in this large place called Arizona, just not that one in the small place called Sedona.
    If you didn't ride tomahawk you missed out. That trail was a gem and I'm glad that I got to ride it. Az is large and has hundreds of of worthwhile trails but this was one of the best trails in the state, it was special. Let me put it in your terms. You just said "at least my dropper post is air sprung like my fork so I can go fast over the chunk, those clip pedlers make me crash when I cant unclip my anti-squat from my 510's."

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    Now I have to ask because you implied this in your title. What did TD have to do with this? How does one person get a whole trail shut down? It is usually not as simple as that - it takes more than a bunch of careless cyclists to cause a restoration. I am sure there was some pressure from enviromentalists and such...

    All of these questions lead to the most important of all
    ----how do we not get any more trails shut down in the future?

    I would hate to see BCT or Picket Post go - now that would truly be a tragedy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Now I have to ask because you implied this in your title. What did TD have to do with this? How does one person get a whole trail shut down? It is usually not as simple as that - it takes more than a bunch of careless cyclists to cause a restoration. I am sure there was some pressure from enviromentalists and such...

    The OP just wanted to celebrate the short existence of an awesome trail and leave it at that. Every thread Traildoc posts in recieves the usual attention from his followers who can't wait to post their rebuttals.

    This is about the best trip report ever and perhaps the best photo- and video-documentation of the unique character of Tomahawk: Another excellent Arizona Adventure (Pic HEAVY; Passion Xpost)

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    Did they tear out Killer Bee too? When I read this post I was so bummed. Tomahawk was one of the trails I was really looking forward to riding this spring once things warmed up enough to melt the snow on that north facing aspect. What a shame, I really wish they had adopted those trails in that area. I'm going to down a few beers and wallow in grief

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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    Yes, sad to see Tomahawk go. Shreded it a couple of times and its a bummer that its gone. Have no pics due to the low key that this trail should've been kept in. Was going to visit it soon, bummer that won't happen now. I hear it goes thru sensitive area and that why its being closed? RIP.

    Looks like a fun trail. Couldn't they just build a bridge over the sensitive area? Oh wait, we're talking government beurocracy - creativity and free thinking aren't allowed.

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    So, in the thread literally below this one, it's "Fu*k those guys who build illegal trails. They make us all look bad, and we don't need that scrutiny." But in here, it's "RIP Tomahawk, you'll be missed."

    Which one is it?

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    Yo Easy. Hope things are going well. I'll respond to your question in another thread... cool?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    So, in the thread literally below this one, it's "Fu*k those guys who build illegal trails. They make us all look bad, and we don't need that scrutiny." But in here, it's "RIP Tomahawk, you'll be missed."

    Which one is it?
    Good question. I wonder if they can't find a way to save illegal trails that are worthwhile rather than just shutting them down?

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    Okay. I don't want to get your thread off the rails. I'm just wondering though, illegal trails are bad, unless they're good, and then they're okay?

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    Seems like there was never time to pull out the camera on Tomahawk but here's a few more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Okay. I don't want to get your thread off the rails. I'm just wondering though, illegal trails are bad, unless they're good, and then they're okay?
    Hello, exactly! Welcome to MTBR.com. It, like God, works in mysterious ways.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhxChem View Post
    Hello, exactly! Welcome to MTBR.com. It, like God, works in mysterious ways.....
    More like the gossip of a sewing circle mixed with the purse swinging of Black Friday.

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    Looks like it was a fun ride.


    Possibly avoided ... Just say'n !

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    If you didn't ride tomahawk you missed out. That trail was a gem and I'm glad that I got to ride it. Az is large and has hundreds of of worthwhile trails but this was one of the best trails in the state, it was special. Let me put it in your terms. You just said "at least my dropper post is air sprung like my fork so I can go fast over the chunk, those clip pedlers make me crash when I cant unclip my anti-squat from my 510's."
    I lived in Austin for the last 13 years. Try out losing 30% of your best mileage in a single transaction. I sat through that, twice. Oh, and they were better than what I watched in that video, too.
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    I had the joy of riding Tomahawk once, and have been dying to go back to Sedona for that trail in particular. Very sad to hear it's gone. Glad I have a little video memory of it (which doesn't do it justice btw).


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    When i come to Sedona im going to ride all the illegal trails just so i can feel part of the action and get a feel for the real Sedrama....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I lived in Austin for the last 13 years. Try out losing 30% of your best mileage in a single transaction. I sat through that, twice. Oh, and they were better than what I watched in that video, too.
    Just to be clear: You never rode tomahawk and you missed out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Just to be clear: You never rode tomahawk and you missed out.
    Thinking the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I lived in Austin for the last 13 years. Try out losing 30% of your best mileage in a single transaction. I sat through that, twice. Oh, and they were better than what I watched in that video, too.
    Sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Tomahawk
    Thanks for the trip down memory lane Scott. Such a good ride. I'm really, really sorry to hear about its demise. Glad I got a chance to ride it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I lived in Austin for the last 13 years. Try out losing 30% of your best mileage in a single transaction. I sat through that, twice. Oh, and they were better than what I watched in that video, too.
    really

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysurfer View Post
    I had the joy of riding Tomahawk once, and have been dying to go back to Sedona for that trail in particular. Very sad to hear it's gone. Glad I have a little video memory of it (which doesn't do it justice btw).

    sick... wow this one needed precision and a guide - and I wouldnt know where the **** to go and which line to pick half of the time on that video

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Just to be clear: You never rode tomahawk and you missed out.
    Redundantly clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    really
    Really, there's a reason I left. Arizonans have it _much_ better, access-wise, even if they take it for granted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    sick... wow this one needed precision and a guide - and I wouldnt know where the **** to go and which line to pick half of the time on that video


    awesome looking trail. i miss it never even rode it

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    It's obvious that since our lives will never be the same without this trail, we should all just bite down on those cyanide capsules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Really, there's a reason I left. Arizonans have it _much_ better, access-wise, even if they take it for granted.
    I almost agree with this.

    I'd say that Arizona has trails like few other places, in the sense that many forest and public areas have trails built in them, many are maintained, many are popular, etc.

    The "access" is pretty good as well, but enough stuff happens that I wouldn't say the access is extraordinary. There are the summer closures to users due to extreme fire danger, making it difficult to get up in the mountains and cool off in the hottest months. Some of the best areas in Sedona are off limits due to the elevation restriction, IMO this is the initial problem with Sedona, as there's about 400' of vertical to work with in most places due to the wilderness area. There could be some absolutely epic trails if they were allowed to come down from the top of the mesas/plateaus/rim, which is a large reason why many of the Hangover/HL type trails were built IMO. Flagstaff has enough that it doesn't "need" to get into the Peaks all that much, but would be neat with some more riding up higher still.

    What AZ does have are many riding areas. The bay area is one of the few metro places that comes close to phoenix in terms of riding and trail areas. Scattered around phoenix there is everything, from flattish training routes, to super gnarly tech trails, to downhill shuttle stuff, to race-tracks and epic-vertical routes. Then you move out of the phoenix area and there are some trails up the 17 with the BCT stuff, Sedona, Prescott, Flagstaff, White Mountains, William, Grand Canyon, Payson, Tucson, Globe, and many more. Some don't get a much love as places that are heavily used in other states, but AZ makes more use of their land IMO. I had to travel quite a distance to get to trails in CA in an area where you'd think there'd be some stuff. In other states there's just nothing that is comparable. There might be "mountain biking" around a lake, but nothing on the scale of AZ. Other states like OR, WA, CO and the such do have an extensive amount of trails, but that's more to be expected given the terrain IMO. AZ always surprised me by making good use of the land and actually having those trails, rather than being an empty forest/wilderness or over-developed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Really, there's a reason I left. Arizonans have it _much_ better, access-wise, even if they take it for granted.
    Same here...left TX for same reason. "Mtb riding" in TX since late '80s and visited/worked/rode in Flag Dec-Feb 2000. A few short months later, house was sold, movers I-10 westbound baby! Never looked back, except to visit and ride my old trails, some I helped build. Confirmed what I already knew. AZ is waaay beyond most states in mtb terrain,access, and variety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobZona View Post
    Same here...left TX for same reason. "Mtb riding" in TX since late '80s and visited/worked/rode in Flag Dec-Feb 2000. A few short months later, house was sold, movers I-10 westbound baby! Never looked back, except to visit and ride my old trails, some I helped build. Confirmed what I already knew. AZ is waaay beyond most states in mtb terrain,access, and variety.
    I'd go back to Austin in three seconds flat if they returned stolen lands to the tax payers for recreational use. I don't see that ever happening. Arizona is definitely ahead w/ access, but holy sh!t are they behind in many other ways. There really is no other compelling reason to live here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    There really is no other compelling reason to live here.
    Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    There really is no other compelling reason to live here.
    Feel free to leave. Take a few Obama voters and illegals with you. Texas never met one of either they didn't love. In fact, I love Texas so much, the last time I came back to Illinois, I went 300 miles out of my way to avoid it. What compelled the first white man looking west to settle in Texas, I'll never know. But seriously, if AZ isn't good enough, hit the 10 and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    I was born and lived in Illinois for 25 years. I lived in Arizona for 15 months and in that short time, it felt(and still feels) more like home than Illinois ever did. You wanna hate, feel free, but do it from Mexico's northeast branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Feel free to leave. Take a few Obama voters and illegals with you. Texas never met one of either they didn't love. In fact, I love Texas so much, the last time I came back to Illinois, I went 300 miles out of my way to avoid it. What compelled the first white man looking west to settle in Texas, I'll never know. But seriously, if AZ isn't good enough, hit the 10 and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    I was born and lived in Illinois for 25 years. I lived in Arizona for 15 months and in that short time, it felt(and still feels) more like home than Illinois ever did. You wanna hate, feel free, but do it from Mexico's northeast branch.
    I'm an Arizona NATIVE, and can openly admit the state is a dump, aside from the riding areas. What I get from your post, Illinois is worse. I am free to leave, are you ?
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    Word. Bout time someone else said it. Nice post.dang, meant to quote eazy e. How do you post a quote on this new mobile layout?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Feel free to leave. Take a few Obama voters and illegals with you. Texas never met one of either they didn't love. In fact, I love Texas so much, the last time I came back to Illinois, I went 300 miles out of my way to avoid it. What compelled the first white man looking west to settle in Texas, I'll never know. But seriously, if AZ isn't good enough, hit the 10 and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

    I was born and lived in Illinois for 25 years. I lived in Arizona for 15 months and in that short time, it felt(and still feels) more like home than Illinois ever did. You wanna hate, feel free, but do it from Mexico's northeast branch.
    So what we've determined is apparently.....

    Austin>Arizona>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Illinois. The extra greater-than's is for East St. Louis....

    And, of course, I didn't put Texas in because, as we all know, Austin isn't really Texas.

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    CB,

    Thank you for the memorial to Tomahawk, and to the others thanks for the videos and pics. I never got the chance to ride Tomahawk and I guess I never will but at least now I can see what I missed and what is possible in Sedona!!

    To the others with your off topic banter, can we leave the "mine's better than your's, this is better than that" crap out of this thread. It would be nice to read a thread with out having to "read around" it to get to the information or opinion I seek. This is a GNAR SHRED MEMORIAL THREAD for stories pics and vids, take your politics, opinions and banter to another thread (there are plenty of them suited for it) or simply just read and appreciate this thread for what it's for, then if you feel compelled to speak out about the loss of Tomahawk then I would suggest that you take those thoughts and direct them to those who make such decisions!! If all those who view this thread did that, then perhaps one day we might see a "Phoenix" rise from the ashes of Tomahawk!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    CB,

    Thank you for the memorial to Tomahawk, and to the others thanks for the videos and pics. I never got the chance to ride Tomahawk and I guess I never will but at least now I can see what I missed and what is possible in Sedona!!

    To the others with your off topic banter, can we leave the "mine's better than your's, this is better than that" crap out of this thread. It would be nice to read a thread with out having to "read around" it to get to the information or opinion I seek. This is a GNAR SHRED MEMORIAL THREAD for stories pics and vids, take your politics, opinions and banter to another thread (there are plenty of them suited for it) or simply just read and appreciate this thread for what it's for, then if you feel compelled to speak out about the loss of Tomahawk then I would suggest that you take those thoughts and direct them to those who make such decisions!! If all those who view this thread did that, then perhaps one day we might see a "Phoenix" rise from the ashes of Tomahawk!!
    Meh. This is just the ANGER stage of the five stages of grief.

    I am between bargaining and depression right now.

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    That was awesome, thanks! Like HO on roids. Too bad I am going to miss it this early spring.
    Ride On!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysurfer View Post
    I had the joy of riding Tomahawk once, and have been dying to go back to Sedona for that trail in particular. Very sad to hear it's gone. Glad I have a little video memory of it (which doesn't do it justice btw).
    That looked like fun. So many sniper lines. RIP
    Locals' Guide to North Shore Rides http://mtbtrails.ca/

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    Hey Leel,

    Hope all is well with you & Shan. Thanks for paying your respects. It's really appreciated. Bummed we didn't get to ride T-hawk together. Are you guys headed this way any time soon?

    CB

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