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    So What is YOUR Plan to STOP Rogue Trail Building in Sedona???

    Since I am the only one to publicly come up with a plan to stop rogue trail building in Sedona, what is your plan BUBBA?

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    OK Bubba, how about the Sedona mountain bike community reporting any new trails they spot being built while they are on a mountain bike ride or hike? Did any mountain bikers see the new rogue trail off Brewer being built? Was the person who spotted it a mountain biker?

    Maybe the guy who found the new trail has a talent for finding new rogue trails and would be willing to head up a group to find new trails being built.

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    Dude.. you really need to take your meds. You're arguing with yourself now.


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    Here in Cottonwood, just to the south of your permenant digs TD, several of my local mountainbiker friends and I have formed a sort of neighborhood trail watch group. We monitor google earth mapimagery to try and spot trail builders in the act.

    Working together as a team, we are able to keep our community under constant survailance. Any time we spot someone engaged in rogue trail building, we are ready to alert the authorities. The only downside seems to be that...google earth images for our area were taken June 13, 2011. Idealy we would be able to observe these trails in real time, but Hey...We're all doing what we can in the spirit of your original post.

    This is something you could even do while your wife is driving the motorcasa down the road, TD. And with your computer expertise and map making experience, I'll bet you could find a way to get more recent updated trail imagery as well.

    Anyway, this is what we are doing in Cottonwood. I don't see why this wouldn't work in Sedona as well. So...If I come up with any more good ideas and plans you could enact up your way, you can be sure that I will forward them to you. Because the important thing is that we get everybody involved.

    Working together we can stop this menace.

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    Keep you out of town?

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    Who has the best bloody mary in sedona?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centurion_ View Post
    Here in Cottonwood, just to the south of your permenant digs TD, several of my local mountainbiker friends and I have formed a sort of neighborhood trail watch group. We monitor google earth mapimagery to try and spot trail builders in the act.

    Working together as a team, we are able to keep our community under constant survailance. Any time we spot someone engaged in rogue trail building, we are ready to alert the authorities. The only downside seems to be that...google earth images for our area were taken June 13, 2011. Idealy we would be able to observe these trails in real time, but Hey...We're all doing what we can in the spirit of your original post.

    This is something you could even do while your wife is driving the motorcasa down the road, TD. And with your computer expertise and map making experience, I'll bet you could find a way to get more recent updated trail imagery as well.

    Anyway, this is what we are doing in Cottonwood. I don't see why this wouldn't work in Sedona as well. So...If I come up with any more good ideas and plans you could enact up your way, you can be sure that I will forward them to you. Because the important thing is that we get everybody involved.

    Working together we can stop this menace.
    Centurion:

    Great idea. It's interesting all the supposed mountain biking leaders aren't coming forward with some ideas on how to curtail unsanctioned trail building of poorly built trails. I was brainstorming at the Bend Brewfest today trying to come up some other idea on how to track down the individual who built this last trail.

    I ran across a guy who claims to be a professional trail builder tracker. I told him he can live at my house for free in exchange for tracking fees. I told him I would teach him to mountain bike when I get back to town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Who has the best bloody mary in sedona?
    Its a toss up between Nick's, Reds, or Ken's Creekside.
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    FÅch Sedona!
    Up the butt for that madder!

    im gonna ride around city hall doing wheelies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    what is your plan
    Cialis.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman View Post
    im gonna ride around city hall doing wheelies!
    courthouse front staircases on a sunday were always fun,, but that was when i could only be charged as a minor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Keep you out of town?
    i laffed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    courthouse front staircases on a sunday were always fun,, but that was when i could only be charged as a minor...
    Yeah, those were the days.
    Tomfoolery, riding with no shoes, careless abandon.

    Now this crap?
    REALLY?

    Does he even really ride?

    This is becoming legendary nothing...

    But I digress, I'm going to go sweat my butt off for a while and ride!
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    We need to get back on track and come up with some solution to this recent downhill type trail build. For years the irresponsible downhill rider types that construct steep fall line trails on loose soil that heavily erodes over a short period has given mountain biking a bad name in numerous communities.

    So since none of the mountain bike leaders have come up with any ideas I have come up with another brilliant idea. A while back Ranger 77 came to me and asked if I would donate some money ($95) to support FGR. I told him I wanted to wait to see if ra was going to get the approval of a new trail in Flag before I committed to such a large sum.

    Well while I was on another 25 mile downhill ride in Bend, OR I had a lot of time to think about what I would consider to be a WIN/WIN proposal to the Sedona Forest Service.

    I believe FGR has a current member ship of 20 or more riders. They all are committed to proving they on on board with no more unsanctioned trail building and they want to be involved in the building of a new Mt. Elden maintainable downhill trail.

    My idea is that ra or Ranger 77 meet with the Sedona FS and ask them if they can do the decommissioning of the new poorly constructed trail in Sedona. Once the decommissioning is done Ranger 77 can give Ch3 a call and have them come out and do a news piece on the decommissioning process that was done by a local downhill club who is committed to work within the system to build new maintainable downhill trails.

    After the decommissioning is done by FGR and the news piece with Ch3 is done, I will kick in the $95 Ranger 77 had asked me to contribute previously.

    TD

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    I bet Friends of the Forest would be more than happy to decomission the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    I bet Friends of the Forest would be more than happy to decomission the trail.
    rock:

    You are probably right, but if they do they get the PR rather than FGR. I'll offer the same deal to FOF, if they go out and re-due all their poorly constructed water diverters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    We need to get back on track and come up with some solution to this recent downhill type trail build. For years the irresponsible downhill rider types that construct steep fall line trails on loose soil that heavily erodes over a short period has given mountain biking a bad name in numerous communities.

    So since none of the mountain bike leaders have come up with any ideas I have come up with another brilliant idea. A while back Ranger 77 came to me and asked if I would donate some money ($95) to support FGR. I told him I wanted to wait to see if ra was going to get the approval of a new trail in Flag before I committed to such a large sum.

    Well while I was on another 25 mile downhill ride in Bend, OR I had a lot of time to think about what I would consider to be a WIN/WIN proposal to the Sedona Forest Service.

    I believe FGR has a current member ship of 20 or more riders. They all are committed to proving they on on board with no more unsanctioned trail building and they want to be involved in the building of a new Mt. Elden maintainable downhill trail.

    My idea is that ra or Ranger 77 meet with the Sedona FS and ask them if they can do the decommissioning of the new poorly constructed trail in Sedona. Once the decommissioning is done Ranger 77 can give Ch3 a call and have them come out and do a news piece on the decommissioning process that was done by a local downhill club who is committed to work within the system to build new maintainable downhill trails.

    After the decommissioning is done by FGR and the news piece with Ch3 is done, I will kick in the $95 Ranger 77 had asked me to contribute previously.

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    My plan is simply to not ride rogue trails and to not build rogue trails. If more people did that, then I think we should all be fine.
    What do we want? TIME TRAVEL! When do want it? THAT'S IRRELEVANT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    My plan is simply to not ride rogue trails and to not build rogue trails. If more people did that, then I think we should all be fine.
    This

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    My plan is simply to not ride rogue trails and to not build rogue trails. If more people did that, then I think we should all be fine.
    PR:

    You obviously aren't a very skilled adventurous rider, or your full of BS. Most all the TD haters ride the rogue (user built) trails in Sedona because they are the best trails for the advanced skilled riders.

    Recently the best local bike shop showed a highly skilled touron one of Sedona's best user built rides. The guy had a world class experience and had no clue where he was at, he just knew that was one hell of a ride.

    If you aren't full of BS you are definitely to be commended Have you ever inhaled? Do you even own a hoe?

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    I am not perfect. I have done some things I am not proud of. However, as I have seen the consequences of my actions when I have ridden rogue trails, I have decided that it is best if I ride the trails that are sanctioned by whoever owns or officially stewards the land on which I am riding. It is called being a mature adult who looks out for the good of the many instead of just myself.

    Despite all of the great trails you have claimed to build, you still do not have license to do so. No matter how you cut it, what you do goes against the laws that we as a society have put in place.
    What do we want? TIME TRAVEL! When do want it? THAT'S IRRELEVANT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    I am not perfect. I have done some things I am not proud of. However, as I have seen the consequences of my actions when I have ridden rogue trails, ..
    Could you expound a little on these "consequences" you have seen as a result of riding trails not built by a duely trained and licensed, sanctioned, permited Forrest Service sponsored trail builder?
    I Where I ride there are no such trails. All our trails are either rogue or pieced together roads, fire trails, foot paths, rv tracks, and cow paths out here in the desert. And while I have seen no negative consequences as of yet...maybe I am missing something. Please educate me. What are the consequences of riding a rogue trail?


    Despite all of the great trails you have claimed to build, you still do not have license to do so.
    Trails TD has "claimed" to build?" Are you serious?

    You can cap on him all day long (I know I do), but once you infer that Traildoc has not actually buit a ton of top notch sustainable trails, even I have to speak up. Because, love him or hate him...TD has built miles and miles and miles of trails and worked to maintain them...by himself and with others.

    When you infer that he hasn't you lose all credability.

    No matter how you cut it, what you do goes against the laws that we as a society have put in place.
    TD got busted for doing a one by four foot unsanctioned trail improvement. He paid his fine. Give it a rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincipalRider View Post
    I am not perfect. I have done some things I am not proud of. However, as I have seen the consequences of my actions when I have ridden rogue trails, I have decided that it is best if I ride the trails that are sanctioned by whoever owns or officially stewards the land on which I am riding. It is called being a mature adult who looks out for the good of the many instead of just myself.

    Despite all of the great trails you have claimed to build, you still do not have license to do so. No matter how you cut it, what you do goes against the laws that we as a society have put in place.
    PR:

    Since Centurion told you what he thinks the story of TD is, you still haven't said whether you inhaled or not. What exactly is a mature adult? If not riding user built trails is part of the definition, I think you might be one of the only mature adults signed in on the Arizona forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    I bet Friends of the Forest would be more than happy to decomission the trail.
    My bet is that they already have. It's amazing how much people can get done simply by following the protocols that the Red Rock Ranger District has set in place. It seems pretty simple to me- don't do any unauthorized trail work. ...Or you could skip getting authorization and just do it and wind up sacrificing one of your mortgage payments to the feds and have a 6 month "vacation" because you can't ride anywhere within a 5 hour drive of home. It isn't rocket science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    We need to get back on track and come up with some solution to this recent downhill type trail build. For years the irresponsible downhill rider types that construct steep fall line trails on loose soil that heavily erodes over a short period has given mountain biking a bad name in numerous communities.

    So since none of the mountain bike leaders have come up with any ideas I have come up with another brilliant idea. A while back Ranger 77 came to me and asked if I would donate some money ($95) to support FGR. I told him I wanted to wait to see if ra was going to get the approval of a new trail in Flag before I committed to such a large sum.

    Well while I was on another 25 mile downhill ride in Bend, OR I had a lot of time to think about what I would consider to be a WIN/WIN proposal to the Sedona Forest Service.

    I believe FGR has a current member ship of 20 or more riders. They all are committed to proving they on on board with no more unsanctioned trail building and they want to be involved in the building of a new Mt. Elden maintainable downhill trail.

    My idea is that ra or Ranger 77 meet with the Sedona FS and ask them if they can do the decommissioning of the new poorly constructed trail in Sedona. Once the decommissioning is done Ranger 77 can give Ch3 a call and have them come out and do a news piece on the decommissioning process that was done by a local downhill club who is committed to work within the system to build new maintainable downhill trails.

    After the decommissioning is done by FGR and the news piece with Ch3 is done, I will kick in the $95 Ranger 77 had asked me to contribute previously.

    TD
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