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    So what is up with the hiker putting rocks on Natty?

    Not sure what was up this weekend but Saturday almost no one was out on Natty. I rode up past the saddle then dropped down to BV trail was in normal shape. When I came back from Telegraph Pass and was climbing up from BV to the Saddle 3 huge rocks had been placed in the trail at a point were going the other way could have resulted in serious hurt!

    Like I said no one was out and the only hiker I say was a dude with a wide rimmed hat huge arms and black pants on.

    I got out today and see a fellow rider who stopped by and said a guy is putting rocks in the trail. He describes the guy he thinks it is and it is the same guy I say Sat.

    I ride up Natty today and just before the bottom of hidden valley I see the same dude. I ride up just past cactus rock and what do I find in the trail? Yes, I find two large rocks in an area that if you were going the other way would have caused some serious hurt!

    So I ride one out to Telegraph and back to BV and I see a fellow rider who tells me about a dude that was moving rocks yesterday just below Hidden Valley. He stopped and asked the guy if he was the one putting rock in the trail. The dude said heck yes it was him and what the "F" was he going to do about it?

    So if you ride Natty be careful because the dude is putting huge rocks in places where people have very little time to react to them.

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    And people will still not agree that there are people that simply don't deserve to breath the same air as us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    And people will still not agree that there are people that simply don't deserve to breath the same air as us?

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    Big0Mike,

    We are on the same wavelength here for sure!

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    So, did you do anything about it? Did you contact rangers or staff? Did you confront the gentleman in question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    So, did you do anything about it? Did you contact rangers or staff? Did you confront the gentleman in question?
    A buddy of ours ran into him today and confronted him at about 3:00pm. He was described as about 5'8", hispanic, massive arms, tats, black shirt, etc. A call to the Rangers with the description was the plan. Probably won't mean anything, just need to keep an eye out, and don't expect the ride down to be the same as the ride up.

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    Over many months acoupple years ago there were alot of traps being set on SoMo , and there were some injuries , I asked the rangers and they knew who the guy was and said they could not do anything and they had talked to him.
    I finally caught the guy rigging booby traps early one morning and I got into it with him , .......Then I would see him around the mountain and sure enough there were more traps .....

    I finally got lucky and saw what vehicle he was in and I followed him home one day .......Now I can't say what the rest of the story was ,---(draw your own conclusion ) ---but I have never seen him on the mountain again and there has not been a big problem but this new guy sounds like he is going to be another pain in the a$$, and may take the same persuasion .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    He was described as about 5'8", hispanic, massive arms, tats, black shirt, etc...just need to keep an eye out, and don't expect the ride down to be the same as the ride up.

    Be safe out there.
    I saw this guy on National Saturday afternoon between the waterfall and the Buena Vista saddle. I can't say that I saw rocks in the middle of the trail after passing him on the way back down, but I'm gonna keep my eyes open.

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    wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    So, did you do anything about it? Did you contact rangers or staff? Did you confront the gentleman in question?
    The guy that saw him moving rocks called the police but they did not care. He said he would contact the ranger and tell them what he saw.

    I personally did not see the guy moving rocks nor was I sure it was him until after I saw him. I looked for a ranger all day today but none to be found. I'm out there enough that I will let one or more know this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr View Post

    I finally got lucky and saw what vehicle he was in and I followed him home one day .......Now I can't say what the rest of the story was ,---(draw your own conclusion ) ---but I have never seen him on the mountain again and there has not been a big problem
    Awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    A buddy of ours ran into him today and confronted him at about 3:00pm. He was described as about 5'8", hispanic, massive arms, tats, black shirt, etc. A call to the Rangers with the description was the plan. Probably won't mean anything, just need to keep an eye out, and don't expect the ride down to be the same as the ride up.

    Be safe out there.
    Just to add to this, the guy obviously doesn't care because when our friend asked him if he was the guy who had been moving rocks all over the trail, his response was "Yes! What the f**k are you going to do about it?!"

    I know exactly who the guy is. It's weird because I never got the vibe from him that he hated mountain bikers, but obviously he does.

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    Hmm, makes me wonder about the big rock I had to dodge on the lower section of Nat'l earlier this week. Also in a blind spot where you couldn't see it until too late and WAYYY too big to have just "rolled over" into the trail.....Somebody should just take a picture of this a$$hat and give it to the Rangers.
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    Freakin clown! This dip**** needs to get put in his place before someone gets hurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Hmm, makes me wonder about the big rock I had to dodge on the lower section of Nat'l earlier this week. Also in a blind spot where you couldn't see it until too late and WAYYY too big to have just "rolled over" into the trail.....Somebody should just take a picture of this a$$hat and give it to the Rangers.
    I usually see him at least once per week. I'll try to snap a picture next time that I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZDesertRat View Post
    I usually see him at least once per week. I'll try to snap a picture next time that I do.
    Post it up here please.

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    Is he usually out there at a certain time?


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    It just makes me wonder....in my cerebral world....if we did not wonder how hikers would injure us in such public forums....if the reality of their booby traps would exist. I'm sure it would.....but the frequency makes me wonder.....I frequently lurk horse and hiker forums.

    I rolled something by choice this weekend and instantly regretted it......don't know how I made it through....but the feel of my saddle bruising my sternum in my final moment of choice tells me a little about the control I have in this life....outside of that.....I have nothing.

    Intentional booby traps suck....but you never hear of any riders *****ing about a rock out of place out at Pass Mountain....it's kinda a given, and that's a "given" with a capitol "G".

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    Quote Originally Posted by helidave View Post
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    Afternoon. I've only seen him on National.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Awesome!
    Yes , it worked out great ........I had a nice little talk with his "Wife" while she was working in the garden ....come to find out she was a into running and was always training for an event .
    She said she had gotten on his a$$ before about it and that this time she would put a stop to it.

    She could have easily kicked my a$$ with no problem so I can only imagine what she did to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr View Post
    Yes , it worked out great ........I had a nice little talk with his "Wife" while she was working in the garden ....come to find out she was a into running and was always training for an event .
    She said she had gotten on his a$$ before about it and that this time she would put a stop to it.

    She could have easily kicked my a$$ with no problem so I can only imagine what she did to him
    That is not quite what I was expecting to read, but I am glad that is all it took to stop it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Intentional booby traps suck....but you never hear of any riders *****ing about a rock out of place out at Pass Mountain....it's kinda a given, and that's a "given" with a capitol "G".

    Stop assuming your personal luge course will always be the same and accept that you have no control over anything other than your ability to adapt.
    Agreed^^^^
    There's no doubt that this is a d!ck move on the hikers part but you are on a mtb mtbiking....
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    Wheres cinnabunz when we need him. He could handle him!

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    Saw the rocks yesterday, 12:30 ish. Put 'em back.

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    I find it funny that a guy can be out there moving rocks all over the place, with an intent to disrupt and possibly even injure other trail users and the rangers dont seem to care. But god forbid a mountain biker rides over a couple different rocks slightly off the main trail. Not that two wrongs make a right.
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    just another reason I like to only ride SOMO once in a while now-a-days..That way I never expect anything to be the same
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    That's messed up.

    I helped Supermoto put them back on as close to the proper place on Sunday!

    has anyone called this guy in to the Park rangers??? If you give them description and time of day it really helps catch the guy.

    Also, take a photo of they guy if you think you can get away with it. (avoiding a fight of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    And people will still not agree that there are people that simply don't deserve to breath the same air as us?
    Call me abnormal if you'd like, for I for one feel the deserve to breath the same air as me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post

    Stop assuming your personal luge course will always be the same and accept that you have no control over anything other than your ability to adapt.
    incorrect.
    as Kelstr, Tiss'er and others noted, you do have some control. You can confront the guy, call the Rangers, take his picture and post it all over the ramada area, get his license plate, call your Parks Dept and demand that a fraction of the effort expended to stop mtbrs from using b-lines should be applied to address this one known, described, regular user who is actively and repeatedly attempting to injure other park users. If I saw him and I was with friends, I'd bracket him several hundred yards above and below and follow him out, after letting him know we're calling the Rangers. I'd also take his pic. If I was with BigO I might even heckle him into trying to ride over the guy.

    Skinny Tire - what would you do?

    lots of randomness happens on a trail and its ultimately about you and your bike, but its very rarely as dangerous on such short notice as an intentional booby trap. To make light of this as the 'zen of riding' is allowing it to continue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    incorrect.
    as Kelstr, Tiss'er and others noted, you do have some control. You can confront the guy, call the Rangers, take his picture and post it all over the ramada area, get his license plate, call your Parks Dept and demand that a fraction of the effort expended to stop mtbrs from using b-lines should be applied to address this one known, described, regular user who is actively and repeatedly attempting to injure other park users. If I saw him and I was with friends, I'd bracket him several hundred yards above and below and follow him out, after letting him know we're calling the Rangers. I'd also take his pic. If I was with BigO I might even heckle him into trying to ride over the guy.

    Skinny Tire - what would you do?

    lots of randomness happens on a trail and its ultimately about you and your bike, but its very rarely as dangerous on such short notice as an intentional booby trap. To make light of this as the 'zen of riding' is allowing it to continue.
    If I saw somebody intentionally placing "booby traps" on the trail designed to injury me and fellow cyclists? I'd confront him, just like each and every one of us. If his/her reaction was the same as others have witnessed, then I would have also reported this to the Parks Service. I wouldn't take a picture of him because I don't take a camera with me when I ride. And I would not kill him, as Mike suggests, as I'm a pacifist.
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    I just called the somo ranger station to ask about what was being done about the rock guy. The guy said this was first they had heard about it. They received a call last week from a PD dispatcher but the info was vague. I gave him the description of the guy and they will look into it. Maybe if more concerned mtb'rs called something might get done.

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    They pop up everywhere. Take a photo and post it here. That should go for anyone who is clearly being sociopathic on trails we ride regularly. We all need to know who to watch for. Exposaed, he will soon enough fear for his own narcisistic safety, and disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    That is not quite what I was expecting to read, but I am glad that is all it took to stop it...
    I know I made it sound like I really did something to the guy , but I just sicked his "Wife" on him.....

    We will have to get video on this new moron and get him served and waded up in the old fashion "Legal justice" system to keep his kind at bay,........The rangers wont really get involved much ( the rangers say they may do something, but they don't ) Ive been through this with them before and they really do not care.

    But we can get him stopped with alittle work and time , I guarantee you he is not a stranger in the "Legal justice" system so it will be easy to apply it in large doses apon him

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    Quote Originally Posted by masterp2 View Post
    They pop up everywhere. Take a photo and post it here. That should go for anyone who is clearly being sociopathic on trails we ride regularly. We all need to know who to watch for. Exposaed, he will soon enough fear for his own narcisistic safety, and disappear.
    Sunday, March 4, I removed rock traps from the Desert Classic while biking with my daughter. Biggest rock was only about 70 pounds, so probably not the same guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    incorrect.
    as Kelstr, Tiss'er and others noted, you do have some control. You can confront the guy, call the Rangers, take his picture and post it all over the ramada area, get his license plate, call your Parks Dept and demand that a fraction of the effort expended to stop mtbrs from using b-lines should be applied to address this one known, described, regular user who is actively and repeatedly attempting to injure other park users. If I saw him and I was with friends, I'd bracket him several hundred yards above and below and follow him out, after letting him know we're calling the Rangers. I'd also take his pic. If I was with BigO I might even heckle him into trying to ride over the guy.

    Skinny Tire - what would you do?

    lots of randomness happens on a trail and its ultimately about you and your bike, but its very rarely as dangerous on such short notice as an intentional booby trap. To make light of this as the 'zen of riding' is allowing it to continue.
    Yup, yeah need pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    If I was with BigO I might even heckle him into trying to ride over the guy.
    Hilarious!! 3 full minutes of BigO berating himself as he makes repeated attempts to get his bike over this dumb a$$.

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    You all need to speak to the rangers/police in a language they can understand: liability. Next time you need to report that he's made some kind of threat to your person; that's one they can't let slide. And, if you're forced to act in self defense, there's a report to back up your side.

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    sounds like we need more signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmarkos View Post
    sounds like we need more signs.
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    Huge arms huh? Is it this guy ???

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    there are always booby traps on national,,, and you have to be careful not to get distracted looking at them or you'll crash...

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    Please, let me run into this idiot setting traps to try and hurt people. Please? I am NOT a pacifist, I will not tell his wife and I will NOT report him to rangers who could give a crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy29er View Post
    Hilarious!! 3 full minutes of BigO berating himself as he makes repeated attempts to get his bike over this dumb a$$.
    here's the transcript:

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    (#*@#&!**@*~!!!!!!

    take 2...

    take 8
    oh *#%*#$ i got over the arm

    take 9...

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    yeah, you #$*#(*%@ *#$*#$#$( dbag. i 3$#$**%% in your general direction so we breathe the same air!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenobite39 View Post
    Please, let me run into this idiot setting traps to try and hurt people. Please? I am NOT a pacifist, I will not tell his wife and I will NOT report him to rangers who could give a crap.
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    Please, please let there be video when this rock moving booby-trap setting idiot gets his melon cracked. Of course there would have to be some facial editing so as not to be recognized.

    You know you want to watch it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenobite39 View Post
    Please, let me run into this idiot setting traps to try and hurt people. Please? I am NOT a pacifist, I will not tell his wife and I will NOT report him to rangers who could give a crap.
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    Rock mover may just need some compassion and understanding, he may suffer from emotional issues. Suppose he was violated as a young boy, by a mountain biker, a DHer.

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    Those damn downhillers! Always ruining it for the rest of us with their hucking and gnar shredding... and man-love?


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    Quote Originally Posted by helidave View Post
    Those damn downhillers! Always ruining it for the rest of us with their hucking and gnar shredding... and man-love?


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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    incorrect.
    as Kelstr, Tiss'er and others noted, you do have some control. You can confront the guy, call the Rangers, take his picture and post it all over the ramada area, get his license plate, call your Parks Dept and demand that a fraction of the effort expended to stop mtbrs from using b-lines should be applied to address this one known, described, regular user who is actively and repeatedly attempting to injure other park users. If I saw him and I was with friends, I'd bracket him several hundred yards above and below and follow him out, after letting him know we're calling the Rangers. I'd also take his pic. If I was with BigO I might even heckle him into trying to ride over the guy.
    Damn you and your pragmatic ways....you really have a way of harshing on my solipsistic and nihilistic tendencies....it's really exhausting being your friend sometimes.
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