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    Upset Robbed at gunpoint for my 2011 Trek X-Cal

    I was ridding home from work late that night when I had stopped at the rest area along the canal near 7th Street and Northern to take a break. It's a 12 mile commute and I had just worked approximately 15 hours so I was tired. I was resting there for about 5 minutes when this thug runs up to me with a gun pulled out yelling at me to give him my phone and to empty out my backpack. He held me at gunpoint for about 10 minutes while I was emptying out contents of my backpack.

    I was trying to stall him by doing it very slowly and trying to talk him out of harming me. He kept threading to shoot me if I didn't hurry up. I was just hoping that somebody would pass by while this was occurring then maybe I could escape. I didn't want to just hand over all my property and let him shoot me and get away. I had a real bad vibe that he was going to shoot me anyways ... He was definitely tweaking on drugs so he was obviously not thinking rationally, I wasn't about to just be another helpless victim of a robbery and murder if I could help it.

    So after stalling him for several minutes I saw my chance just a he was getting aggressively more angry and getting ready to do something drastic I saw a light coming from a distance about 100 yards away on the bike path. I then pointed and said "is that the cops" as he turned away to look I threw my backpack at him and tackled him to the ground. I started punching him in the head with my right fist while using my left to try to pull the gun from his hand. At this point that light I saw was a man ridding a bike and he was just a few feet away. I shouted to the man to call 911 because I was being robbed by this guy with a gun. The guy backed away and said he was calling 911 now.

    While he was calling for help me and the thug were still in a scuffle in the ground. just when i was about to wrestle the gun from him he bite my arm, he then flung the gun in the air away from us and then I just started going to work on him... punching him repeatedly with both fists. Then I grabbed the dude's throat with both hands and started chocking him while slamming his head into the pavement repeatedly. During the whole struggle he was screaming for me to "please let him go"

    It's beyond me how I didn't knock this guy unconscious... It must of been the adrenalin rush he had from the Meth or PCP he was on. Either way at this point I was so angry and I started taunting him while kicking his ass... I told him he was going to be spending a very long time in prison when the cops get here. Then he shoved a long object into my eye caused me to release my grip on him.

    He then jumped on my bike and rode off before I could react. I was so pissed he got away. Well during the struggle he dropped his own cellphone behind and also a spare magazine clip for the gun. All of which were used to locate and identify the suspect. He got away with my bike and iPhone. I didn't get my phone service disconnected until several days later because I thought maybe the punk would be stupid enough to make calls with it to people he knows and that could be a way to locate and identify him also. The idiot placed several calls and texts to his friends and family members. lol he thought he had gotten away clean. Well detectives had him under surveillance no longer then 24 hours after the incident occurred.

    After about 5 days of surveillance they made the arrest. They were just waiting for enough evidence to make the arrest. Him using my iPhone is what sealed the deal.
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    Good job! Booking photo and link to the news story.


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    Cool story bro.

    You got lucky in that one. Can't say I would blame you if you killed him.

    Chances are he's gonna get a slap on the wrist, probation and a light fine

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    everyone knows that if you mess with a Segall, you're in for a shitkickin'

    the news article said he already had outstanding warrants,, so he's going away for a while

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    Holy ****, what a wild story. Glad he is getting locked up.

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    Wow! Glad you are alright. I probably would of reacted the same way. Did you get your bike and other belongings back?

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    If there's anything "funny" from the situation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Games View Post
    . Either way at this point I was so angry and I started taunting him while kicking his ass


    Glad you're OK, glad he got caught. Sketttttcccchhhhhyyyyy....

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    is that area in general a bad neighborhood? ive never been off the freeway in phoenix except for the zoo and somo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoolfan View Post
    Wow! Glad you are alright. I probably would of reacted the same way. Did you get your bike and other belongings back?
    Yea I'm dying to know.if you're bike is lost forever?
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    Damn, I used to ride that canal to/from work quite a bit. That area was always sketchy, and I just made sure to keep moving. Makes me glad I sold my road bike. Good to hear that you are okay, and that you got your property back and got to unload on this d***head for a bit.

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    Hope this punk makes a good wife to multiple other dirtbags in prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Yea I'm dying to know.if you're bike is lost forever?
    The article says that he did get his belongings back.

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    Glad to see some justice be served. What did he stab you in the eye with? Ouch!
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    Some street justice and court justice. Nice to see the good guys win once in a while. Glad it didn't turn as bad as it could have. While I love my bike, I don't know if I want to die for it.
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    CRAZY STORY! Glad that you are OK and they caught him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Games View Post
    You should have everyone you know and mtbr folks write you a letter about lucky we are to still have you and how a tragedy was barely avoided, get the letters to the judge and maybe we can get him the full 12 years

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    welp time to start carrying on the commute again! Guess ill need lighter wheels on the roadbike afterall to offset the weight of the gun.

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    Glad to hear you made it out okay. I hope that I am able to respond the same way if I am ever in that type of situation. Pretty damn brave.

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    First off, good beating.

    Second, where was your gun and how come you didn't use it on him? This was in AZ, right?

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    NICE WORK!! Glad you came out of it alive and sad that he did to. We need to just start eliminating worthless and terrorizing human beings like this instead of keeping them around to drain the system.
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    Wow! Amazing story man, glad you are able to be here and tell us about it. I hope that D-bag gets whats comin to him. Karmas a beach.

    I guess I'm never going to stop again while out riding now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    First off, good beating.

    Second, where was your gun and how come you didn't use it on him? This was in AZ, right?
    I never felt the need to carry it before but now I travel with my Glock-30 every time I leave the house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Games View Post
    I never felt the need to carry it before but now I travel with my Glock-30 every time I leave the house.
    You win rep.

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    Damn, that's right on my commute route as well...No stopping I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    everyone knows that if you mess with a Segall, you're in for a shitkickin'

    the news article said he already had outstanding warrants,, so he's going away for a while
    I believe his warrants were for minor stuff, in the sentencing report it said he has no prior felony convictions. He plead guilty to 1 count of Armed Robbery (class 2 felony) and 1 count of Aggravated Assault (class 4 felony) in exchange 2 other charges were dropped. Stipulated in the plea agreement he has to serve at least 5 years but not more than 12 years. It will be up to the judge what he gets. We think it will be around 8 years that he receives.

    This loser is pleading with the court to go easy on himself. He's just a 21 year old gang banging thug piece of **** that spent his days getting high and drinking at his mom's house. He had no job and he contributed nothing good to society. I'm certain it isn't his first time committing robberies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Damn, that's right on my commute route as well...No stopping I guess
    Ken, you can just show em all your scares and then ask them if they still want to tangle
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Damn, that's right on my commute route as well...No stopping I guess
    Same here, I don't stop even at lights, as long as the ghost was clear from cars I go across through the red light.
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    How is your eye?

    Crazy story!

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    This story is straight up hero.

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    It's a good reason why guns may not make any difference. If you don't have time to "pull" before the guy pulls on you, you are out of luck. If you are close enough that you can grab or hit someone, that can often be far more effective than a gun, because you're too close to effectively pull and shoot. In other words, someone could shoot, stab, or knock you out before you can bring it to bear. There's the classic scenario of a guy with a knife 10 feet away and a guy that has to pull a gun. At least 9 times out of 10, the guy with the knife can get a deadly strike in before a round can be discharged. A gun may make one feel more secure, and surely a law-abiding citizen will be responsible and handle one correctly, but everyone with a gun isn't going to solve everything, or maybe even anything.

    Anyways, good job! I'm glad. Phone and tablet technology these days is great. It's hard to steal some things anymore. We need I-bikes with "find my I-bike" features.
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    True, but I think a gun can definitely shoot through my camelback quite easily. Reach in point bag towards him, squeeze!!! Remember to unload the whole magazine, and then pee your pants! Proves that you were truly in life threatening danger!!! haha


    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    It's a good reason why guns may not make any difference. If you don't have time to "pull" before the guy pulls on you, you are out of luck. If you are close enough that you can grab or hit someone, that can often be far more effective than a gun, because you're too close to effectively pull and shoot. In other words, someone could shoot, stab, or knock you out before you can bring it to bear. There's the classic scenario of a guy with a knife 10 feet away and a guy that has to pull a gun. At least 9 times out of 10, the guy with the knife can get a deadly strike in before a round can be discharged. A gun may make one feel more secure, and surely a law-abiding citizen will be responsible and handle one correctly, but everyone with a gun isn't going to solve everything, or maybe even anything.

    Anyways, good job! I'm glad. Phone and tablet technology these days is great. It's hard to steal some things anymore. We need I-bikes with "find my I-bike" features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    It's a good reason why guns may not make any difference. If you don't have time to "pull" before the guy pulls on you, you are out of luck. If you are close enough that you can grab or hit someone, that can often be far more effective than a gun, because you're too close to effectively pull and shoot. In other words, someone could shoot, stab, or knock you out before you can bring it to bear. There's the classic scenario of a guy with a knife 10 feet away and a guy that has to pull a gun. At least 9 times out of 10, the guy with the knife can get a deadly strike in before a round can be discharged. A gun may make one feel more secure, and surely a law-abiding citizen will be responsible and handle one correctly, but everyone with a gun isn't going to solve everything, or maybe even anything.

    Anyways, good job! I'm glad. Phone and tablet technology these days is great. It's hard to steal some things anymore. We need I-bikes with "find my I-bike" features.


    OP said he saw the guy run up, holding a gun, yelling. I don't know from how far, but sounds like OP had advance notice, correct me if I'm wrong.

    Read this and the subsequent thread: Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM

    It goes into a lot of details about the thug mentality, and the mentality you need to take if you want to effectively protect yourself from them.


    Oh, and if your plan involves shoot through a bag or pocket, go for a gun without many moving parts, like a S&W 442. No exposed hammer. Anything with a slide is apt to get caught up in something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi View Post
    True, but I think a gun can definitely shoot through my camelback quite easily. Reach in point bag towards him, squeeze!!! Remember to unload the whole magazine, and then pee your pants! Proves that you were truly in life threatening danger!!! haha
    Count on one round then expect a jam with a semi-auto. Bobbed hammer revolver better for shooting from inside clothes/bags.
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    Yeah, too much has to go perfectly right to count on those things. Plus, if it's that easy to discharge from inside your camelback, you're likely going to have bigger problems when it goes off because you fell. Keeping it inside your camelback renders it fairly useless. If you put it in your pocket while you were riding through ghetto-land, then maybe not nearly as much, but just putting it in the camelback is only going to make you feel better IMO. Having it in a holster on your body is really the only way this would be practical and give you any change of producing it, and even then your first instinct shouldn't be to shoot someone (like the guy in the truck that killed the biker) just because they are yelling and waving. Too many bad outcomes for no reason. Please defend yourself, and do so with deadly force if you feel your life is truly threatened and there is no way out that would allow you to avoid possibly losing your life, but don't be fooled by a false sense of security or take measures that don't actually decrease the risk.
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    Guns don't just "go off." Take a Glock, a system I'm a big fan of. It has three independent safeties, and it will not fire unless you pull the trigger. The only problem is, nothing blocks you from pulling the trigger, so you need a holster that covers the trigger. With a DA revolver, the trigger pull is usually up to ten lbs, sometimes more. That just doesn't happen on it's own.

    Look, the simple fact is, predators go for the easy mark. If you spend your life shuffling along, staring at the ground or your phone, you look like a vic, and you might be one. Hold your head up, be aware, stand tall, and most times, that'll solve a problem before it starts. If it doesn't, well, God made man, but Sam Colt made him equal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Guns don't just "go off." Take a Glock, a system I'm a big fan of. l.
    I have a glock. If you can shoot a gun inside a camelback from the outside, you get mad props...The point was that it's really not possible or feasible to do so. Maybe if you are going to take it off, open it up, put your hand in there, find your gun, make sure it's clear of anything that might stop the round or deflect it, blah blah.
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    I say find a old pack, fill it with stuff you would have on a ride, and discharge a round and see what happens. So all this chatter of what can or can't be done can be truly prove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi View Post
    I say find a old pack, fill it with stuff you would have on a ride, and discharge a round and see what happens. So all this chatter of what can or can't be done can be truly prove.
    Again, if it's in a holster on your body, sure, but to dismount, take off your camelback, unzip it, find the gun somewhere towards the bottom or in an odd position you didn't expect, pull it slightly out of the holster it's in to expose the trigger...you really believe that's going to be successful 9 times out of 10 before an attacker can get to you? That just seems like a crazy stretch. I have done a few dry runs to try this in the past.

    I'm not even saying don't have one, I'm just saying don't have unrealistic expectations. Sounds pretty unrealistic to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Again, if it's in a holster on your body, sure, but to dismount, take off your camelback, unzip it, find the gun somewhere towards the bottom or in an odd position you didn't expect, pull it slightly out of the holster it's in to expose the trigger...you really believe that's going to be successful 9 times out of 10 before an attacker can get to you? That just seems like a crazy stretch. I have done a few dry runs to try this in the past.

    I'm not even saying don't have one, I'm just saying don't have unrealistic expectations. Sounds pretty unrealistic to me.
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    Ruger LCR lightweight revolver. I'm getting one here directly, mainly because a semi auto can be an issue if not carried in a holster. This will be my pocket gun.



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    I strap my M-4 on my back on some rides (inner city Phoenix canals). If need be, I'll pull it and butt stroke the perpetrator until their face is meat loaf.

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    WOW! that's a shame this happened in the first place but good for you putting up a fight and using a thought process to get the job done. I ride that canal a lot and sometimes I'm quite intoxicated coming home from Tempe when doing so at night. I don't think I'll be doing that anymore, shame punks like that exist, the only sad part of this story is he's still breathing and will do this again to someone else someday. I hope all his stupid friends (if he has any) think twice before trying the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Licketysplit View Post
    Ruger LCR lightweight revolver. I'm getting one here directly, mainly because a semi auto can be an issue if not carried in a holster. This will be my pocket gun.



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    With the extended base plate, it holds 8+1 rounds of 9mm. The extended mag also did a lot to help me shoot it more comfortably, but it's still pretty unpleasant. It's not a recreational piece though. They sell a belt clip for it, which I liked. Even with mesh shorts, just clip it to the waist band and nobody would ever know. It disappears really well. The trigger isn't heavy, but it's really long, so I never worried about carrying it Mexican.

    At your usual self defense ranges, contact out to about 7 yards, it's pretty accurate and controllable.

    If I had to do it again, I'd maybe look at a Kahr CW9 or a S&W Shield instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Read this and the subsequent thread: Street robberies and you - The Basics - AR15.COM
    Great article.

    Quote Originally Posted by AR15 Article
    If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all.
    THIS CAN NOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH!

    Too many people want to give the scumbag a chance to retreat. A chance he would have never given you. We'll never be rid of these people by giving them chances. ONLY a grave changes these people.

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    If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad.
    I've never understood how someone can feel bad for doing something so good as killing a bad person. The police and public do it FAR TOO rarely. As witnessed by the crimes we see committed day in and day out.

    Nice, ballsy job to the OP. Too bad you didn't choke the life right out of him.

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    Man, I'm tempted to read all 26 pages of that post...

    On criminals:
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    You can't understand the way they think because they aren't human. I say that with every ounce of sincerity I can muster. They are not human. They are best thought of as an alien species. They do not share or appreciate anything approaching a value system you or I would recognize. Their formative years were spent in an environment that was utterly alien to anything you or I ever lived in. As an example, yesterday I attended a lecture by William Aprill that dealt with what he termed "Violent Criminal Actors", essentially the people who would be classified as sociopaths. He told the story of a 15 year old boy who got in a fight on a basketball court and lost. When the boy's mother found out that he lost, she handed him a pistol and told him "WE don't go out like that!"...and the boy returned to the basketball court and killed the other kid that beat him up. When Aprill did social work he would often stop and take a look at a neighborhood before a visit to a home. On one visit he was in an urban area and he noticed a group of young kids (8-10 years old) that were playing on a basketball court that didn't have any hoops or backboards. The game they were playing involved grabbing one kid by the scruff of the neck, forcing him to his knees, then making the finger gun to the back of his head and mocking blowing his brains out execution style. After each repetition of this game the kids laughed hysterically and did it again.

    Would your mother hand you a gun and direct you to go kill someone? When you were running around in your Tom Sawyer/Huck Finn years were you basically rehearsing street executions? I'm going to guess the answer to that is a big "No."

    That's why you don't understand criminals...because you're thinking of them as human.

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    Sounds like in this case a gun in the camelbak would have worked since the punk asked games to empty the pack and he was able to stall by doing it slowly.

    However I'd think in most cases the punk will just take the camelbak including the gun.


    I sure would have like to see more swelling and bruising in the mug shots.

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    I wonder if this pile of sh|t is gonna get heat from his homeboys for taking a beat down from a guy in spandex?

    The downside is that the only thing this will teach this thief is to pull the trigger quicker...

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    Wow amazing story. Thankfully you made it out OK.

    I am not AZ but lived near DC and rode commute to work from College Park MD through NE Washington to next to the white house where job was. Definitely rode through some rough neighborhoods. I never packed or felt need to, but here are some things I did do which seemed to work. First I dressed in bike garb and looked like a bike messenger, low on the economic scale and generally street wise although I was more of a suburban boy. Second, I rode a bit of a non-flashy bike, true it was cannondale but rest of it was black and well worn, again looked like a messenger. Also, I rode as fast as I could comfortably, this was my workout with a desk job and it kept thugs at bay when you are going 15 mph (never said I was fast) and they are hanging on the street corner you are past before they have time to react. If the light was red, sometimes I would run it or do the right on red, then quick U turn and right back on route. Finally, I also rode in the road with the cars, the druggies and locals who were sitting on milk crates drinking were usually on the sidewalk. I did have a couple of moments, such as when some bored teens in a car drove by and one guy stuck himself out the window and made a gun with his hand and pointed at me - I ignored him and pedaled up the hill - to some extent I think those young kids do respect physical exercise of someone getting after it. I also had some guys come uncomfortably close who were hanging by the street parked cars but they were just hanging and not banging, however I should have been more observant. I would have gladly given my old bike if confronted with a gun, as DC crime and gun violence is well known and I can buy a new bike. It also helped that I rode early mornings when losers were sleeping, and returned home during rush hour and busy roadways kept idiots out of the street for the most part. If I was to have ridden after 9pm I might not be here to tell the tale. DC makes Houston seem like a theme park in comparison, I feel safe everywhere here, but if you look for trouble you can find it.

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    Glad everything turned out OK. I ride that canal 3 days a week fortunately the only issue I have had so far is punk a$$ kids throwing a golf ball sized rock at me around Metrocenter. Never been tempted to carry while riding, but it may be coming.

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    Another shltbreed Si-hab off the street. Good job, sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    First off, good beating.

    Second, where was your gun and how come you didn't use it on him? This was in AZ, right?
    weight issue for me,

    damn you Reagan and your BAN on plastic guns !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yeah, too much has to go perfectly right to count on those things. Plus, if it's that easy to discharge from inside your camelback, you're likely going to have bigger problems when it goes off because you fell. Keeping it inside your camelback renders it fairly useless. If you put it in your pocket while you were riding through ghetto-land, then maybe not nearly as much, but just putting it in the camelback is only going to make you feel better IMO. Having it in a holster on your body is really the only way this would be practical and give you any change of producing it, and even then your first instinct shouldn't be to shoot someone (like the guy in the truck that killed the biker) just because they are yelling and waving. Too many bad outcomes for no reason. Please defend yourself, and do so with deadly force if you feel your life is truly threatened and there is no way out that would allow you to avoid possibly losing your life, but don't be fooled by a false sense of security or take measures that don't actually decrease the risk.
    Great post. Important to consider all of this if you carry.

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    Glad things worked out in the end.....I would suggest an addendum to the first rule of Zombieland.....no stops on the canal route....stops riding up Natty are acceptable...and until we see muggings halfway up the climb on Bell Pass, I think we're safe on singletrack and no need to pack.

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    Wow, what a story! Glad you're ok!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Glad things worked out in the end.....I would suggest an addendum to the first rule of Zombieland.....no stops on the canal route....
    I'm assuming you've never been to OHSO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    I'm assuming you've never been to OHSO?
    That's a loaded question....you KNOW I've been to OHSO.....in fact, the first ride I ever took on my 429 was on the canal to OHSO, in all sorts of mental space-time paradigms, which resulted in my first wreck on the 429.....a nasty 2 inch curb which at the time was looking rather droll.

    My point is this.....how often does someone on this board get robbed of their bike at gunpoint? Since I've been a contributor on this board....this is a first. Now, look at that singular data pointt against the amount of drunken Thursday night rides and overall debauchery rides and otherwise, sober commuting rides through this city.

    If you can't draw my inference.....then......well......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    That's a loaded question....you KNOW I've been to OHSO.....in fact, the first ride I ever took on my 429 was on the canal to OHSO, in all sorts of mental space-time paradigms, which resulted in my first wreck on the 429.....a nasty 2 inch curb which at the time was looking rather droll.

    My point is this.....how often does someone on this board get robbed of their bike at gunpoint? Since I've been a contributor on this board....this is a first. Now, look at that singular data pointt against the amount of drunken Thursday night rides and overall debauchery rides and otherwise, sober commuting rides through this city.

    If you can't draw my inference.....then......well......
    Actually, I don't understand about 50% of what you write .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Actually, I don't understand about 50% of what you write .
    You don't speak Maad???????????????

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    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.
    here's how I see this story:

    Dear Penthouse, i'd never thought it'd happen to me, I kicked a bike thief's a$$, sent him to jail, and then got banged by 2 girls at once.

    I care not for any reality checks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    here's how i see this story:

    dear penthouse, i'd never thought it'd happen to me, i kicked a bike thief's a$$, sent him to jail, and then got banged by 2 girls at once.

    i care not for any reality checks!
    lol.

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    Don't you mean banged 2 girls while kicking a bike thief's ass ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.
    thats what I'm wondering... If that was an earlier mugshot or not. I got in numerous good punches to both sides of the head and the back of his head was slammed into the pavement quite a few times. Not to mention chocking him. In the arresting report it said he had visible injuries consistent to my story.

    Either way... I have 2 horrendous bite marks to my left arm that even after nearly 3 months are quite visible. And to answer the other posters question... My eye is fine now. I did suffer an eye hemorrhage that resulted in blurred vision for almost 2 days and the eye was completely red for a week after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Games View Post
    thats what I'm wondering... If that was an earlier mugshot or not. I got in numerous good punches to both sides of the head and the back of his head was slammed into the pavement quite a few times. Not to mention chocking him. In the arresting report it said he had visible injuries consistent to my story.

    Either way... I have 2 horrendous bite marks to my left arm that even after nearly 3 months are quite visible. And to answer the other posters question... My eye is fine now. I did suffer an eye hemorrhage that resulted in blurred vision for almost 2 days and the eye was completely red for a week after.
    Should'a ripped one of his ears off for that .
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    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    It's worthless to put it in a backpack of any kind ... If you're gonna carry ... Get a holster, practice drawing and shooting, and do it right.

    P.S.
    The XD is a great gun ... I've got over 12,000 rounds through a XD9 and my only failures (3) were ammo related.

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    To the OP ... Glad you made it out alive, and sorry about the loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    If you want the lightest and most compact, go for the Kel Tec PF-9. Only problem is, if you want to simulate shooting it, open your palm and whack it nice and hard with a broom stick.

    I've got an XD-45, and it's got get ergonomics, but it's filled with lawyer features. It's got a grip safety, a stand alone loaded chamber indicator, and a striker indicator. Roll mark the instruction manual on the slide and it'd be like a Ruger. The grip safety is an issue too, since the slide won't open unless it's fully depressed. That could be a problem if you need to clear a malf under stress.

    Honestly, I'd go with a Glock 19 for a do-all pistol, assuming the ergonomics of it are tolerable to you. The G19's grip is a little small for me. The G17 is great for me, but it's length makes it harder to conceal. Pull trigger, it fires. Pull trigger, it fires. Repeat as needed. The trigger is the same every time, and there's no safeties to disengage before it'll fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    I didn't read this thread just saw this question, so forgive me if it's been covered a dozen times.

    Why an auto? Just curious.
    Anyhow a small 5 or 6 round hammer-less revolver(.38 or .357mag) would be nice. Something like the Smith and Wesson M$P series. No hammer to get caught in the pocket or pack and it's a revolver so you point, pull trigger and it fires. If for some crazy reason you have a bad round there is nothing to clear, just pull the trigger again and it fires. No fuss, no muss, no safeties and nothing to get jammed or to try and clear and that's nice if stressed, I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    I didn't read this thread just saw this question, so forgive me if it's been covered a dozen times.

    Why an auto? Just curious.
    Anyhow a small 5 or 6 round hammer-less revolver(.38 or .357mag) would be nice. Something like the Smith and Wesson M$P series. No hammer to get caught in the pocket or pack and it's a revolver so you point, pull trigger and it fires. If for some crazy reason you have a bad round there is nothing to clear, just pull the trigger again and it fires. No fuss, no muss, no safeties and nothing to get jammed or to try and clear and that's nice if stressed, I'm sure.

    Point and shoot baby!
    I've pretty much decided this is all that's needed, unless one is willing to strap on a rifle or lug around a full-sized auto. Not enough capacity? Carry two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I've pretty much decided this is all that's needed, unless one is willing to strap on a rifle or lug around a full-sized auto. Not enough capacity? Carry two.
    Yeah, capacity is limited but If I carried, and I don't, all I want protection from is what's likely to happen...a quick, point blank confrontation with a bad guy. I'd imagine if shots were fired (by me) or returned by me one or both of us would be running away from each other pretty quickly if not mortally wounded..and that would be that. I doubt many crackheads will stick around after hearing 5 cracks of a sub 2'' barrel .357 just feet from their head.

    I wouldn't bother planning for a sustained gun fight where I need 19 rounds and a second clip just in case there is more. That's the stuff I'd be prepared for if it were my job to deal with thugs on a daily basis though.

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    You guys ever see those flash mob videos? Bunch of worthless teenagers/young adults gather together and pick a store to rob/destroy. Having a gun would do a lot of good in that situation, but I'd feel really outnumbered having to face a crowd of punk kids with only five rounds of .357 out of a 2.5" barrel. Skin your smoke wagon and they'll probably decide they want to be at choir practice instead, but it's still bad odds.

    Most gun fights statistically last about 1.5 seconds with under three shots, but more and more, little packs of losers are getting together to start crap. Attacks involving multiple assailants will become more and more common, methinks.

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    Is it okay with you all if I admit this thread scares the **** out of me?

    (yes, I'm a pacifist.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Is it okay with you all if I admit this thread scares the **** out of me?

    (yes, I'm a pacifist.)
    I won't think less of you. If you've never been exposed to a high crime area, aren't familiar with firearms, and if you mostly associate with reasonable and respectable people, trying to come to terms with the savagery, depravity, and denigration of "the other side" can be a challenge.

    I grew up literally a 10 mile drive from East St. Louis, IL. If you've never been there, the rumors are true. I'm talking "You know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby." I'm talking degradation and blight that the average white man can't believe unless he sees it first hand. Parts of North St. Louis aren't any better, maybe worse. And, thanks to Section 8 and other social engineering programs, the "locals" of East St. have been slowly filtering up the hill to my hometown, bringing their old habits with them.

    That's what I grew up around. I've got no illusions about how the world is. If you weren't similarly privileged, I could see where you might have a problem.

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    I grew up in Scottsdale. I have a .38 but not sure where the bullets are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I grew up in Scottsdale. I have a .38 but not sure where the bullets are.
    I hope you have a strong throwing arm and good aim, cuz you'll only get 1 chance that a way!

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    My coworker runs and bikes with this. He says it is very comfortable, does not bounce around, and keeps your weapon in front without drawing too much attention to it. He carried a 45 in it very comfortably.

    http://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Produc...2/Default.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    You guys ever see those flash mob videos? Bunch of worthless teenagers/young adults gather together and pick a store to rob/destroy. Having a gun would do a lot of good in that situation, but I'd feel really outnumbered having to face a crowd of punk kids with only five rounds of .357 out of a 2.5" barrel. Skin your smoke wagon and they'll probably decide they want to be at choir practice instead, but it's still bad odds.

    Most gun fights statistically last about 1.5 seconds with under three shots, but more and more, little packs of losers are getting together to start crap. Attacks involving multiple assailants will become more and more common, methinks.
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
    I see where you're coming from. If I had to face a flash riot, I'd want a rifle. Preferably along with a friend who also has a rifle. Going around like a Mogadishu warlord isn't socially acceptable, even in AZ, so a pistol has to suffice.

    I wouldn't really worry about practicing defusing a flash riot, but I'd definitely practice facing multiple assailants. The "pack mentality" is becoming more and more prevalent in urban yoots. We're seeing a lot more instances of two or three losers out committing crimes as a group. Makes sense, as two or three guys can fan out, block exits, run interference, act as a distraction, etc. It's really the same tactics lions use on zebras, and the same mentality from the predators.

    One thing they say in the military is, "While you sleep, your enemy is training."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    You guys ever see those flash mob videos?
    Its a little annoying but I don't think I would start firing off rounds at them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
    Hey man, you haven't lived til you get flash-mobbed on the Black Canyon Trail...


    I think some members must have had childhoods like this.....



    Daddy...tell us more about how "those people" form flash mobs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Its a little annoying but I don't think I would start firing off rounds at them.

    Someone who is completely nuts may though

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    i have had it happen to me and now i always carry...ALWAYS! ( the guy got away with more than $350 and my wallet)
    i'm not joking, posting is scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiocraig View Post
    i have had it happen to me and now i always carry...ALWAYS! ( the guy got away with more than $350 and my wallet)
    Mind sharing your story? Some may learn some key things to look out for and be able to avoid what you experienced.

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    Wow, crazy story Big Games! Glad you're ok and you got to unload some anger on him.

    Not to bash on Trek but if you were riding a "real" bike we'd be having another conversation on here. LOL!

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    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.

    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.

    Lethal force in response to lethal force. Gun vs Gun, knife, machete, dirty needle...

    Physical force in response to physical force. Fist vs Fist, Taser, Stun Gun, Mace...

    So you can essentially tase someone for walking up to you, and not get any charges, if you shoot someone for making you feel uncomfortable though, they might sue you. I like the Tase and Mace approach, unless I'm worried for my life, then I shoot a couple of times, and ask later. It is AZ.
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    Always a good idea to carry at night, you never know if scum like that or a crazed squirrel/Pit Bull/Mountain Lion will attack you; an extra magazine would be helpful also! Ultra bright LED tactical flashlight (small) is also nice to have to blind scum like that for a tactical advantage!

    Extra points for handing him an ass kicking, too bad he wasn't more seriously damaged though.

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    You could very well have been bitten by one of the notorious Tweaker Ville Zombies!

    You need an anti-zombie inoculation ASAP!

    A really good bottle of single malt Scotch might also be helpful to ward off infection!

    As a side-note, Zombie Max ammo might be a good investment when you get a carry pistol (you never know)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.

    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.

    Lethal force in response to lethal force. Gun vs Gun, knife, machete, dirty needle...

    Physical force in response to physical force. Fist vs Fist, Taser, Stun Gun, Mace...

    So you can essentially tase someone for walking up to you, and not get any charges, if you shoot someone for making you feel uncomfortable though, they might sue you. I like the Tase and Mace approach, unless I'm worried for my life, then I shoot a couple of times, and ask later. It is AZ.



    I'm just a barracks lawyer, but I wouldn't follow this advice. So, if some guy walks up to me and asks for a cigarette, and he's a weirdo, I can just tase him and it's no big deal? No possibility of an assault charge?

    Lethal force is also acceptable in response to a physical alteration. Zimmerman said Trayvon had him on the ground beating his head on the street. That's life threatening. Two or more guys trying to beat you is a disparity of force, and it's justifiable to shoot in that situation.

    I suggest you read the "Street Robberies and You" link I posted earlier.

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    also acceptable alternative is just staying clear of shitty areas.


    i had to google 'barracks lawyer',, and i see its kinda like Rimmer from red dwarf.

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    You can do whatever you can do. The consequences are a totally different concept - 'may' and 'might'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.
    The KEY is you have to be able to demonstrate to a judge or jury that a reasonable person in the same situation would have felt threatened enough to apply a like amount of force, deadly or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.
    No, you can't apply any amount of force to someone simply because you felt uncomfortable.

    But, again, the key is that you can demonstrate to a judge or jury that any other reasonable person would have reacted in like manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgrafk View Post
    Wow, crazy story Big Games! Glad you're ok and you got to unload some anger on him.

    Not to bash on Trek but if you were riding a "real" bike we'd be having another conversation on here. LOL!

    So you mean.....to bash on Trek, so what kind of "real bike" would change the fact that he almost got shot? Pretty sure the thief could have care less about the brand of bike like you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.
    or you could just not frequent those types of bars...

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    Two things that I have been told if you unfortunately have to shoot someone:

    1. When you call 911 to report the shooting only tell them that someone has been shot and whether or not they are still alive.

    2. Dont say ANYTHING about what happened until you have talked to a lawyer. You dont want to end up being a victim twice...
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    I don't know why, but I remember reading this story about how a guys bike was stolen in Northern California... It's amazing how much our mentality here in AZ differs. At least there is one less thief on the streets in AZ.
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    So I just figured out the"real" bike......I'm a dumbass! Lol

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    you hafta wonder if that guy caught hell from his wife afterwards,
    "dont you ever ****ing endanger your well being or that of your family again, that was ****ing stupid and you couldve gotten us killed"
    sometimes a lesson is best learned when the **** flies from the inside (unless you think jail time actually rehabilitates)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    I don't know why, but I remember reading this story about how a guys bike was stolen in Northern California... It's amazing how much our mentality here in AZ differs.
    In CA everything is someone else's fault. It wasn't that guys fault that he stole the DHR. Society and the upbringing by his sh|tty parents were at fault. He's only in our country to better support his family. Can't give a guy a beatdown for something that's not his fault, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    you hafta wonder if that guy caught hell from his wife afterwards,
    "dont you ever ****ing endanger your well being or that of your family again, that was ****ing stupid and you couldve gotten us killed"
    sometimes a lesson is best learned when the **** flies from the inside (unless you think jail time actually rehabilitates)
    Are you kidding? These kinds of people are to f*ck*ng stupid to be mad. Or embarrassed. Or ashamed. They laughed all the way home. "That dumb-ass didn't even have the police there. We should be in jail right now but thanks to the dumb-ass liberals who make everything someone else's fault we're walking free right now. Ooooh, I got a harsh scolding. I feel soooooo baaaaaad." They probably went somewhere else and stole another bike right after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    In CA everything is someone else's fault. It wasn't that guys fault that he stole the DHR. Society and the upbringing by his sh|tty parents were at fault. He's only in our country to better support his family. Can't give a guy a beatdown for something that's not his fault, right?


    Are you kidding? These kinds of people are to f*ck*ng stupid to be mad. Or embarrassed. Or ashamed. They laughed all the way home. "That dumb-ass didn't even have the police there. We should be in jail right now but thanks to the dumb-ass liberals who make everything someone else's fault we're walking free right now. Ooooh, I got a harsh scolding. I feel soooooo baaaaaad." They probably went somewhere else and stole another bike right after that.
    You seem pretty cranked up about all this......it was a Turner.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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