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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    let me get this right.

    -dangerous assault weapons were not spelled out in the constitution, but they should automatically fall under the 2nd amendment....
    Actually, at the time the constitution was written almost all weapons were privately owned including the canons. The revolutionary war, which does pre-date the constitution, was fought almost entirely with private weapons. When the second amendment was written it was made as short and to the point for a reason...

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    -dangerous cars were not around spelled out in the constitution, but they are okay to regulate?...
    Being able to drive on public roads is considered a privilege...not an inalienable right but I see your point. If you get in too many accidents or speed too much you lose your license. Kind of like being convicted of a felony and you lose some of your constitutional rights (Like the right to bear arms)... although, as you probably heard, most criminals do not obey the law.

    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    any rights only extend to the point where they begin to infringe on others' rights.
    when your neighbor is stockpiling high powered weapons and you have kids,, your right to not have to **** yourself worrying about it everyday is being infringed.
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    How does this infringe on any of your rights? Did he threaten you? That obviously would be against the law and I could understand your reasoning... otherwise you are just stereotyping. According to Wikipedia, practically all gun crimes are caused by those in the 14-24 age bracket being dominantly black followed by Hispanic males and in metropolitan areas... if you want to stereotype that should help you narrow it down... and depending on where you live, that may or may not help you sleep better at night. Either way, 14-24 year olds can't afford to hoard guns...and definitely not the ammo! Gun crimes are also at one of the lowest levels in recent history but I guess you wouldn't know that if you constantly watch the for-profit news stations..
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    let me get this right.

    -dangerous assault weapons were not spelled out in the constitution, but they should automatically fall under the 2nd amendment.
    -dangerous cars were not around spelled out in the constitution, but they are okay to regulate?

    any rights only extend to the point where they begin to infringe on others' rights.
    when your neighbor is stockpiling high powered weapons and you have kids,, your right to not have to **** yourself worrying about it everyday is being infringed.

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    Whats better than AZ logic? Internet logic! Whats the best type of logic? AZ logic on the internet! You boys never disappoint. Thanks for the entertainment.

    Oh, I'm also glad that the OP is okay and the jerk is in jail.
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    This thread has run it course. People like guns and people dislike guns. Harold Fish was an idiot, yet does not represent the majority of gun owners.

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    I'm curious what people hunt with an AR 15?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I'm curious what people hunt with an AR 15?
    Black bear, wild boars, deer and everything smaller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I'm curious what people hunt with an AR 15?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA Monkeybutt View Post
    Black bear, wild boars, deer and everything smaller.
    I wouldn't explicitly hunt a bear with an .223 AR. An AR-15 is powerful prairie dog medicine. It'll also really ruin a coyote's day. One of the better things about the .223/5.56 round is that you can have light and fast 40gr varmint rounds all the way up to 77gr Sierra Matchkings, which the military uses in the Mk262 round.

    Or, you could buy another upper and switch it out to 6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, .300 Blackout, .450 Bushmaster, .458 SOCOM, .50 Beowulf.

    Or, buy an AR-10 variant in .308 and be able to kill anything in the lower 48.

    The AR is an amazingly versatile hunting platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I'm curious what people hunt with an AR 15?
    Apparently other people. Isn't that what Assault Rifles were designed for; soldiers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1fast29er View Post
    Apparently other people. Isn't that what Assault Rifles were designed for; soldiers?
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    Try telling that to the Judge/Jury
    Why would anyone have to feign sorrow over taking a life when that life severely deserved to be taken? ESPECIALLY, if taking that life was the only way to save my own or someone else's.
    I'll suggest you research those who have been in this situation.

    It has nothing to do with sorrow, and everything to do with a major life changing event that you can't walk away from.
    Your original comment was about the appearance you give a judge or jury. Nothing to do with a person's mental well-being before during, or after a deadly force encounter.

    And, do you really read what I'm writing and think I don't know a little on the subject? Haven't thought about he subject a lot. Haven't read at least a couple books on the subject? Haven't trained for such encounters both mentally and physically?

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post

    And, do you really read what I'm writing and think I don't know a little on the subject? Haven't thought about he subject a lot. Haven't read at least a couple books on the subject? Haven't trained for such encounters both mentally and physically?
    to be honest, it doesnt seem to me that you know much about what you are talking about. Most people who know a lot about a subject are the first ones to acknowledge the gray areas, the subtleties, the point\counterpoint of any position. Rarely do experts sound like kneejerks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    to be honest, it doesnt seem to me that you know much about what you are talking about. Most people who know a lot about a subject are the first ones to acknowledge the gray areas, the subtleties, the point\counterpoint of any position. Rarely do experts sound like kneejerks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    to be honest, it doesnt seem to me that you know much about what you are talking about. Most people who know a lot about a subject are the first ones to acknowledge the gray areas, the subtleties, the point\counterpoint of any position. Rarely do experts sound like kneejerks.
    Your original question asked something to the affect of "what is 'bad'?". I gave you a list of my ideal bad people that don't deserve to live. Of course there are gray areas. Not as many as most would like there to be, though.

    But, to hear of a shooting and think we need to talk about guns and how to make people "feel" safer is the ultimate in kneejerkedness.

    We do not have a gun problem. We have a people problem. Find the people that are causing the problem and kill them. Problem solved. I'm not so sure why that's such a difficult concept to grasp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    We do not have a gun problem. We have a people problem. Find the people that are causing the problem and kill them..
    oh my bad.

    spending the rest of the evening on wikipedia to find all the venerable and respected people in history who held this view, and the sterling legacies they left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA Monkeybutt View Post
    Black bear, wild boars, deer and everything smaller.
    Doubtful, many states have laws against taking deer with anything smaller than a .243, because it tends to prolong death and it's not very sportsman like.

    An AR round is a very bad idea for taking game like above, since it fragments and goes into little pieces with any energy, which is why it's so deadly against humans, but animal's tougher hides, sinews and skeletal structure usually requires something more substantial.

    Although not exactly the same as other states I've lived in, the arizona laws still make using something like an AR fairly ridiculous:
    R12-4-303
    Unlawful Devices, Methods, and Ammunition
    A. In addition to the prohibitions prescribed in A.R.S. §§
    17-301 and 17-309, the following devices, methods, and
    ammunition are unlawful for taking any wildlife in this
    state. An individual shall not use or possess any of the
    following while taking wildlife:
    1. Fully automatic firearms, including firearms capable
    of selective automatic fire;
    2. Tracer, armor-piercing, or full-jacketed ammunition
    designed for military use
    ;
    3. Shotguns larger than 10 gauge or shotguns capable
    of holding more than five shells in the magazine,
    unless plugged with a one-piece filler that cannot
    be removed without disassembling the gun, and that
    limits the magazine capacity to five shells;
    4. Semiautomatic centerfire rifles with a magazine
    capacity of more than five cartridges
    , unless the
    magazine is modified with a filler or stop that cannot
    be removed without disassembling the magazine;
    5. Contrivances designed to silence, muffle, or minimize the report of a firearm;
    6. Poisoned projectiles, or projectiles that contain
    explosives; or
    7. Pitfalls of greater than 5-gallon size, explosives, poisons, or stupefying substances, except as permitted
    in A.R.S. § 17-239,
    I have an AR. It's made for killing people. I use it for plinking, but make no mistake, it's primarily for killing people.
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    the argument of using it as a hunting rifle to me is just funny. I am sure any comparison to an AR to a good quality bolt-aciton hunting rifle would show that the only advantage the AR has is the additional round capacity. If you get more then one or two shots off and miss your target, when the hell would I want you to have 28 more to send flying around? If you need that many rounds to hunt then you do NOT have any use having one in your hands.

    I am a gun owner that supports stricter laws. I agree that criminals will always get guns if they want too. there are too many "responsible" gun owners that are all to happy to sell something on the side to anyone to make a few $$$. When we get to the point that we have as many kids bringing guns to school as we do, there is a bigger issue. They are not searching out black market venues to find people with questionable ethics that will not do the right thing, they are walking down the hall of a "responsible" gun owner and just picking it up. The argument could be made that they are not responsible if their kids get ahold of them but how can we tell the difference?

    the car comparison is a good one. If there were no laws/restrictions on speed you would probably have heard me roar past you in my mustang gt while explaining I am just trying to stay ahead of the vette running me down. People need limits set on alot of the decisions they make and I think this is one of them. Back when the constatution was written the weapons the citizens used to hunt were the same ones they used to go to war with. That is not the case today.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Doubtful, many states have laws against taking deer with anything smaller than a .243, because it tends to prolong death and it's not very sportsman like.

    An AR round is a very bad idea for taking game like above, since it fragments and goes into little pieces with any energy, which is why it's so deadly against humans, but animal's tougher hides, sinews and skeletal structure usually requires something more substantial.

    Although not exactly the same as other states I've lived in, the arizona laws still make using something like an AR fairly ridiculous:


    I have an AR. It's made for killing people. I use it for plinking, but make no mistake, it's primarily for killing people.

    Worked for these guys. ar15 hunting - Google Search

    I overheard someone once tell another person a .22 would bounce off a leather jacket. Therre is a lot of ******** out there.

    If I can still hunt (tree stands are for rookies) and kill deer with an arrow, I can kill a deer with a high power rifle at close range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKA Monkeybutt View Post
    Worked for these guys. ar15 hunting - Google Search

    I overheard someone once tell another person a .22 would bounce off a leather jacket. Therre is a lot of ******** out there.

    If I can still hunt (tree stands are for rookies) and kill deer with an arrow, I can kill a deer with a high power rifle at close range.
    Well, no, it ain't going to bounce off leather, and there are lots of people that are mistaken about the ballistics. After a certain velocity, it slows down, doesn't fragment, yaws and wobbles more, etc. .45s have been known to not penetrate heavy clothing, in fact at "the range" in prescott I've been surprised by the lack of penetrating power, certain things that I thought it was sure to go through, it didn't. If you think the myths you heard were bad, you should hear it in the military during basic and advanced training. I had idiots swear up and down that an M60 was ".60 cal". So I asked what an M2 .50 cal was, 2-cal? You'd think that would silence it, but nope, completely idiotic, with all sorts of other similar outrageously wrong claims.


    I'll reiterate the above though, shooting a deer from a few feet away with an AR is just dumb. The ballistics are not as favorable on bigger animals due to the light high velocity round and the fragmentation characteristics, and if you're really shooting deer close enough, it's not going to make any difference if you use that or a 9mm handgun, but you don't go buy the worst suited rifle for hunting . Better off with something bigger and heavier, in fact that's why hunting rounds tend to be 7mm, 300 mag, etc. The .223/5.56 is known as a "varmint" caliber in the "hunting" circles, due to being a very small and light round. Good for the prarie dogs and the such, but not bigger game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    Your original comment was about the appearance you give a judge or jury. Nothing to do with a person's mental well-being before during, or after a deadly force encounter.

    And, do you really read what I'm writing and think I don't know a little on the subject? Haven't thought about he subject a lot. Haven't read at least a couple books on the subject? Haven't trained for such encounters both mentally and physically?
    Not knowing you, and going by your choice of words, and their use ... All I can do is believe what I read in a literal sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    We do not have a gun problem. We have a people problem. Find the people that are causing the problem and kill them. Problem solved. I'm not so sure why that's such a difficult concept to grasp.
    And I find your latest to be filled with ill-chosen words, and an attitude that might someday bring you trouble

    Wanna define "The Problem" before you start your little spree ... Judge, Jury, and Executioner ?

    I'm gonna try to stay out of further conversation with you, because I sure didn't come to MTBR so that I might argue about The Constitution, Bill Of Rights, The Meaning of Liberty, and what defines Personal Responsibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    oh my bad. spending the rest of the evening on wikipedia to find all the venerable and respected people in history who held this view, and the sterling legacies they left.
    No, actually, it's my bad. When you first asked the questions of who the bad guys were I thought maybe you've just never thought about it because defining the really bad people that don't deserve to live is relatively easy. If I'd thought you wanted an extensive list of Yes, No, and several levels of Maybes I would not have made my list so short thus avoiding some confusion.

    I was short on time last night and as I was driving home it dawned on me that you think I know nothing on the subject simply because you do not agree with me. Which is kinda sad but it's expected sometimes.

    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Wanna define "The Problem" before you start your little spree ... Judge, Jury, and Executioner?
    I thought I already did in one of my first posts?

    Murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, gangbangers, drunk drivers? I certainly hope we can agree that society would be best off without these people, yes? Hell, if pressed for it with no other resolution I would accept throwing them all in prison for life. I think it's an incredible waste of tax payer money but getting them out of society forever is the goal.

    And, contrary to what you obviously think, I have no plans for spree. Not my job. That's why we pay the gubment a good portion of our income. Now, if someone comes knocking on my door in the middle of the night just begging to get shot he will have made the choice for me.

    I get it that some people don't FEEL comfortable executing people that deserve it. I am more comfortable KNOWING that the people that want to do others harm are not around to do it.

    And that's a big difference between people. Many want to FEEL safe and pass laws making things illegal. Usually, it's something that's already illegal so they make a new class of law for it like "Road Rage" or "Hate Crime", neither of which address the real problem.

    Others, like me, are misguided enough to actually treat the root of EVERY problem: bad people.

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    Dang, lots of angry, middle-aged, white man here today.....
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    let me sum up my position, and i will leave it at this.
    you have way too many rounds going off when even michael j fox can hit a squirrel in his backyard

    while i dont like guns,, i 'm not advocating that they be banned altogether. i think there should be a better mandatory paperwork trail, especially on the larger ones. perhaps even endorsements on licensing for them (similar to type-ratings on a pilots license for planes over 12,500lbs gross)

    its obvious that many sellers only see the $$ and dont want to lose a sale holding that up. ATF should periodically send in undercover buyers to make sure that all places are thorough with checks (including gun shows). a gas station clerk gets immediately hauled off to jail if they sell a case of beer to an undercover minor, but gun shows dont require checks.. might as well open a Jack Daniels both at sponge-bob-on-ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post

    you think I know nothing on the subject simply because you do not agree with me.
    dang! you figured me out. your persuasive arguments rivaling the average Supreme Court Justice had no impact on me. my 3 yo was deeply moved, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    No, actually, it's my bad. When you first asked the questions of who the bad guys were I thought maybe you've just never thought about it because defining the really bad people that don't deserve to live is relatively easy. If I'd thought you wanted an extensive list of Yes, No, and several levels of Maybes I would not have made my list so short thus avoiding some confusion.

    I was short on time last night and as I was driving home it dawned on me that you think I know nothing on the subject simply because you do not agree with me. Which is kinda sad but it's expected sometimes.


    I thought I already did in one of my first posts?

    Murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, gangbangers, drunk drivers? I certainly hope we can agree that society would be best off without these people, yes? Hell, if pressed for it with no other resolution I would accept throwing them all in prison for life. I think it's an incredible waste of tax payer money but getting them out of society forever is the goal.

    And, contrary to what you obviously think, I have no plans for spree. Not my job. That's why we pay the gubment a good portion of our income. Now, if someone comes knocking on my door in the middle of the night just begging to get shot he will have made the choice for me.

    I get it that some people don't FEEL comfortable executing people that deserve it. I am more comfortable KNOWING that the people that want to do others harm are not around to do it.

    And that's a big difference between people. Many want to FEEL safe and pass laws making things illegal. Usually, it's something that's already illegal so they make a new class of law for it like "Road Rage" or "Hate Crime", neither of which address the real problem.

    Others, like me, are misguided enough to actually treat the root of EVERY problem: bad people.
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    mike,, just be careful that what you post here will be traced back in the event you DO get into a situation where you need to use deadly force.
    it will then be used against you to show premeditation that you were just itching for an opportunity to use it.

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    parents,, lock that **** up,,
    no matter how much of a perfect teen you may think you have.
    teens are hormonal & emotional and can accelerate from zero to irrational in 2.5 seconds with very little provocation.

    luckily this parent of a Red Mountain high school student had their guns secure.
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...eers-abrk.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    mike,, just be careful that what you post here will be traced back in the event you do get into a situation where you need to use deadly force.
    It will then be used against you to show premeditation that you were just itching for an opportunity to use it.
    Bingo

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    parents,, lock that **** up,,
    no matter how much of a perfect teen you may think you have.
    teens are hormonal & emotional and can accelerate from zero to irrational in 2.5 seconds with very little provocation.

    luckily this parent of a Red Mountain high school student had their guns secure.
    http://www.azcentral.com/community/m...eers-abrk.html
    As a youth, my dad just had a bunch of guns stacked in soft cases in a closet. The horror. You know how many people I killed with them? None. And I went through all that emotional teenager stuff.

    Maybe, just maybe, we're seeing people who utterly fail as parents.

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    keep in mind that when we were kids,, bullying, taunting, and fighting could only be done in person, and you could just walk away. the next day everyone would usually be cool again, even looking back and laughing about it.

    now it happens 24/7 on smartphones and social networks, tensions escalate a lot quicker without any chance to simmer down. when one person blogs or about things they're upset about,, 20 trolls will jump in with comments that just make things worse. people will reach the snapping point a lot sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    keep in mind that when we were kids,, bullying, taunting, and fighting could only be done in person, and you could just walk away. the next day everyone would usually be cool again, even looking back and laughing about it.

    now it happens 24/7 on smartphones and social networks, tensions escalate a lot quicker without any chance to simmer down. when one person blogs or about things they're upset about,, 20 trolls will jump in with comments that just make things worse. people will reach the snapping point a lot sooner.
    So place a ban on the internet.

    For Christ sake, like noone in the 60's, 70's or 80's got thier little feelings hurt. What next everyone must play an inning in little league. Maybe place the ball on a stand so everyone can hit the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    keep in mind that when we were kids,, bullying, taunting, and fighting could only be done in person, and you could just walk away. the next day everyone would usually be cool again, even looking back and laughing about it.

    now it happens 24/7 on smartphones and social networks, tensions escalate a lot quicker without any chance to simmer down. when one person blogs or about things they're upset about,, 20 trolls will jump in with comments that just make things worse. people will reach the snapping point a lot sooner.
    Hey bud, I'm only 26. I'm not "exactly" that generation, but I'm pretty close to it.

    If you reach the snapping point over some crap on the internet, your parents have failed you in a colossal Titanic fashion. It's the internet. It's not real. You think I'd ever come to blows over some crap somebody posted on MTBR or Facebook? Jeez. I don't care what people think about me in real life. I REALLY don't care what people on the internet think about me.

    If you go on a shooting spree or kill yourself over Facebook, your parents raised a total loser. Probably because they themselves were losers.

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    wow dude,, why are you jumping out me like that? i never said anything about banning the internet,, only saying that technology, as it plays an increasingly higher role in our lives, will also have drawbacks along with the advantages. we just need to keep ourselves more vigilantly aware of the drawbacks. no matter what new thing comes out, there's going to be someome writing malware for it

    EASY_E: that said, i do think that parents' roles, although not going so far as to call them 'shitty', do need to continuously adapt as well. the parenting standards and level of parental involvement in the 80s that kept kids safe is no longer sufficient for the 2010's. placing that entire task on a single parent certainly makes it all the more difficult.

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    We're in the midst of a cultural shift, no question. I'd call it for the worst too. Keep in mind, this is the perspective of a 26 year old.

    My grandparent's generation, you didn't get divorced, you just lived miserable.
    My parent's generation, you got divorced. It was a little weird to me as a kid because my parents were early 30's when I was born(first child), and they were still married. When I was in early grade school, a lot of kids had parents that were my age now, or they talked about spending the weekend with their dad and the step-mother they didn't like.
    My generation, you were never married. Hell, you were never "together." Kids now are just the product of a booty call that went awry. It's not about being a man, or being a dad, it's just about hooking up for a night and "I got mine."

    The next step down on the ladder, I hate to think of.

    So, now, you've got an entire generation of kids, raised by women(themselves a moody and emotional creature.) Kids with no male influence. Kids whose surrogate father is the state in the form of welfare, WIC, and SNAP, and TANF.

    And, thanks to technology, kids today have zero interpersonal skills. Everything is text, Facebook, or email. Spelling and composition has sure taken a hit too.

    So, let's summarize. You've got a generation of welfare babies from broken homes, raised by moody and emotional women to be moody and emotional themselves, with zero actual social outlets in the real world. Is there any question why we're in the crap we're in?

    Stop the bus, I want off.

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    ^^^Should have ridden your bike rather than getting on the bus in the first place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    We're in the midst of a cultural shift, no question. I'd call it for the worst too. Keep in mind, this is the perspective of a 26 year old.

    My grandparent's generation, you didn't get divorced, you just lived miserable.
    My parent's generation, you got divorced. It was a little weird to me as a kid because my parents were early 30's when I was born(first child), and they were still married. When I was in early grade school, a lot of kids had parents that were my age now, or they talked about spending the weekend with their dad and the step-mother they didn't like.
    My generation, you were never married. Hell, you were never "together." Kids now are just the product of a booty call that went awry. It's not about being a man, or being a dad, it's just about hooking up for a night and "I got mine."

    The next step down on the ladder, I hate to think of.

    So, now, you've got an entire generation of kids, raised by women(themselves a moody and emotional creature.) Kids with no male influence. Kids whose surrogate father is the state in the form of welfare, WIC, and SNAP, and TANF.

    And, thanks to technology, kids today have zero interpersonal skills. Everything is text, Facebook, or email. Spelling and composition has sure taken a hit too.

    So, let's summarize. You've got a generation of welfare babies from broken homes, raised by moody and emotional women to be moody and emotional themselves, with zero actual social outlets in the real world. Is there any question why we're in the crap we're in?

    Stop the bus, I want off.
    Start at 1:30 ... This might help explain what we now witness on an almost daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    Start at 1:30 ... This might help explain what we now witness on an almost daily basis.
    Creation Seminar 5 - Kent Hovind - Dangers of Evolution *FIXED* (FULL) - YouTube
    Wow.....you're all kinds of awesome. First this thread, predictably, goes tangential over the gun issue....now you're taking it to the next level of batsh!t crazy by blaming evolution for our modern problems.

    Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Wow.....you're all kinds of awesome. First this thread, predictably, goes tangential over the gun issue....now you're taking it to the next level of batsh!t crazy by blaming evolution for our modern problems.

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    instead of drawing the only cultural shift-line at the invention of the internet or cell phones,, how about a secondary one with the ability to record and upload streaming video of anyone anywhere. that has certainly enabled those who like to instigate drama and provoke. if you want to humiliate or degrade another person in front of the entire world,, facebook & youtube are there for you.

    i think that given the choice of being 38 or 18 today. i'll take the age...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Wow.....you're all kinds of awesome. First this thread, predictably, goes tangential over the gun issue....now you're taking it to the next level of batsh!t crazy by blaming evolution for our modern problems.

    Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
    Actually, our problems stem from us stopping the evolutionary process of our own species. Our government offers incentives for people to lay around and do nothing and get paid for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Hey bud, I'm only 26. I'm not "exactly" that generation, but I'm pretty close to it.

    If you reach the snapping point over some crap on the internet, your parents have failed you in a colossal Titanic fashion. It's the internet. It's not real. You think I'd ever come to blows over some crap somebody posted on MTBR or Facebook? Jeez. I don't care what people think about me in real life. I REALLY don't care what people on the internet think about me.

    If you go on a shooting spree or kill yourself over Facebook, your parents raised a total loser. Probably because they themselves were losers.
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    On the subject of moral decay, it's almost like we are seeing the disintegration of the American dream in an era of unprecedented prosperity and material excess.....we all have so much more now than folks in previous generations had before us...and it does not make us any happier. I think it's right of us to opine on the decay in social and moral values, overwhelming cynicism, greed, and the hedonistic pursuit of pleasure. To top it all off, we have a system that is designed to benefit the top portions of the socio-economic ladder and leaves everyone else just wanting more.

    Someone should write a bit more about this recent phenomenon that is due to evolution, and cell phones and video games and facebook and the internet and bad parenting and whathaveyou......

    Ohh wait....nevermind....F. Scott Fitzgerald beat us to it back in the early 1920's with his book the Great Gatsby.......it's kinda a big deal.

    What was it that you folks were saying about cultural shifts? I could not hear you earlier because my ears were ringing with irony over the fact that a writer dead for over 70 years just pwn3d you........

    Need I mention he ripped it off from writers before him....and they from others back through the age of earliest human experience? You kids have fun with your sophomoric observations on complex subjects, I'm going to go do something new and hip and go ride a bike on a mountain.....they call it mountain biking. You should try it some time....it's a blast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    We're in the midst of a cultural shift, no question. I'd call it for the worst too. Keep in mind, this is the perspective of a 26 year old.

    My grandparent's generation, you didn't get divorced, you just lived miserable.
    My parent's generation, you got divorced. It was a little weird to me as a kid because my parents were early 30's when I was born(first child), and they were still married. When I was in early grade school, a lot of kids had parents that were my age now, or they talked about spending the weekend with their dad and the step-mother they didn't like.
    My generation, you were never married. Hell, you were never "together." Kids now are just the product of a booty call that went awry. It's not about being a man, or being a dad, it's just about hooking up for a night and "I got mine."

    The next step down on the ladder, I hate to think of.

    So, now, you've got an entire generation of kids, raised by women(themselves a moody and emotional creature.) Kids with no male influence. Kids whose surrogate father is the state in the form of welfare, WIC, and SNAP, and TANF.

    And, thanks to technology, kids today have zero interpersonal skills. Everything is text, Facebook, or email. Spelling and composition has sure taken a hit too.

    So, let's summarize. You've got a generation of welfare babies from broken homes, raised by moody and emotional women to be moody and emotional themselves, with zero actual social outlets in the real world. Is there any question why we're in the crap we're in?

    Stop the bus, I want off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    This thread has run it course. People like guns and people dislike guns. Harold Fish was an idiot, yet does not represent the majority of gun owners.
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    Then there are some of us who don't mind guns, support the ownership of guns, but are a bit perplexed that there are some on the board who are just itching to unload on someone "bad" because it would be "legal". There are some here that are probably not being wise with their word. If they are in the unfortunate situation of having to use deadly force (especially one where there may be no armed assailant and only two witnesses -- one alive and one dead), there is no doubt this thread will be read in a court of law and published in the Republic. And it's probably not going to help you...


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    Quote Originally Posted by PhxChem View Post
    Then there are some of us who don't mind guns, support the ownership of guns, but are a bit perplexed that there are some on the board who are just itching to unload on someone "bad" because it would be "legal". There are some here that are probably not being wise with their word. If they are in the unfortunate situation of having to use deadly force (especially one where there may be no armed assailant and only two witnesses -- one alive and one dead), there is no doubt this thread will be read in a court of law and published in the Republic. And it's probably not going to help you...


    Now, let's go ride bikes.....
    I have never said I wanted to empty a clip because I was in a legal position to do so! Matter of fact I would hate to take a life period. But would defend the life of another or myself if I had to do so.

    I did ride today.
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    I went riding, also ... And it's threads like this, with the sort of comments you find out in public, that keep making me repeat that a good CCW class is worth taking, even if the law now says you don't need to take such a class, or ... Might not even own a gun.

    CCW courses are about learning local laws, and also ... What one should/shouldn't say about fictitious/real situations.

    Safety is about much more than the ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeabuser View Post
    I went riding, also ... And it's threads like this, with the sort of comments you find out in public, that keep making me repeat that a good CCW class is worth taking, even if the law now says you don't need to take such a class, or ... Might not even own a gun.

    CCW courses are about learning local laws, and also ... What one should/shouldn't say about fictitious/real situations.

    Safety is about much more than the ride
    ANY half way decent shooting class is worth taking. Lots of people think they can shoot till they spend some time getting training, at which point they realize how scary and inept they were before.

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