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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    First off, good beating.

    Second, where was your gun and how come you didn't use it on him? This was in AZ, right?
    weight issue for me,

    damn you Reagan and your BAN on plastic guns !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yeah, too much has to go perfectly right to count on those things. Plus, if it's that easy to discharge from inside your camelback, you're likely going to have bigger problems when it goes off because you fell. Keeping it inside your camelback renders it fairly useless. If you put it in your pocket while you were riding through ghetto-land, then maybe not nearly as much, but just putting it in the camelback is only going to make you feel better IMO. Having it in a holster on your body is really the only way this would be practical and give you any change of producing it, and even then your first instinct shouldn't be to shoot someone (like the guy in the truck that killed the biker) just because they are yelling and waving. Too many bad outcomes for no reason. Please defend yourself, and do so with deadly force if you feel your life is truly threatened and there is no way out that would allow you to avoid possibly losing your life, but don't be fooled by a false sense of security or take measures that don't actually decrease the risk.
    Great post. Important to consider all of this if you carry.

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    Glad things worked out in the end.....I would suggest an addendum to the first rule of Zombieland.....no stops on the canal route....stops riding up Natty are acceptable...and until we see muggings halfway up the climb on Bell Pass, I think we're safe on singletrack and no need to pack.

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    Wow, what a story! Glad you're ok!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Glad things worked out in the end.....I would suggest an addendum to the first rule of Zombieland.....no stops on the canal route....
    I'm assuming you've never been to OHSO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    I'm assuming you've never been to OHSO?
    That's a loaded question....you KNOW I've been to OHSO.....in fact, the first ride I ever took on my 429 was on the canal to OHSO, in all sorts of mental space-time paradigms, which resulted in my first wreck on the 429.....a nasty 2 inch curb which at the time was looking rather droll.

    My point is this.....how often does someone on this board get robbed of their bike at gunpoint? Since I've been a contributor on this board....this is a first. Now, look at that singular data pointt against the amount of drunken Thursday night rides and overall debauchery rides and otherwise, sober commuting rides through this city.

    If you can't draw my inference.....then......well......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    That's a loaded question....you KNOW I've been to OHSO.....in fact, the first ride I ever took on my 429 was on the canal to OHSO, in all sorts of mental space-time paradigms, which resulted in my first wreck on the 429.....a nasty 2 inch curb which at the time was looking rather droll.

    My point is this.....how often does someone on this board get robbed of their bike at gunpoint? Since I've been a contributor on this board....this is a first. Now, look at that singular data pointt against the amount of drunken Thursday night rides and overall debauchery rides and otherwise, sober commuting rides through this city.

    If you can't draw my inference.....then......well......
    Actually, I don't understand about 50% of what you write .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Actually, I don't understand about 50% of what you write .
    You don't speak Maad???????????????

    Notice how many ?'s I got

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    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.
    here's how I see this story:

    Dear Penthouse, i'd never thought it'd happen to me, I kicked a bike thief's a$$, sent him to jail, and then got banged by 2 girls at once.

    I care not for any reality checks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    here's how i see this story:

    dear penthouse, i'd never thought it'd happen to me, i kicked a bike thief's a$$, sent him to jail, and then got banged by 2 girls at once.

    i care not for any reality checks!
    lol.

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    Don't you mean banged 2 girls while kicking a bike thief's ass ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegard View Post
    Nice story, though I'm left wondering if that's a recent mugshot. A five day period would not heal the beating you gave him, it just doesn't add up to his unmolested face unless you were wearing a teletubbie-suit with extra padding on the fists.
    thats what I'm wondering... If that was an earlier mugshot or not. I got in numerous good punches to both sides of the head and the back of his head was slammed into the pavement quite a few times. Not to mention chocking him. In the arresting report it said he had visible injuries consistent to my story.

    Either way... I have 2 horrendous bite marks to my left arm that even after nearly 3 months are quite visible. And to answer the other posters question... My eye is fine now. I did suffer an eye hemorrhage that resulted in blurred vision for almost 2 days and the eye was completely red for a week after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Games View Post
    thats what I'm wondering... If that was an earlier mugshot or not. I got in numerous good punches to both sides of the head and the back of his head was slammed into the pavement quite a few times. Not to mention chocking him. In the arresting report it said he had visible injuries consistent to my story.

    Either way... I have 2 horrendous bite marks to my left arm that even after nearly 3 months are quite visible. And to answer the other posters question... My eye is fine now. I did suffer an eye hemorrhage that resulted in blurred vision for almost 2 days and the eye was completely red for a week after.
    Should'a ripped one of his ears off for that .
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    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    It's worthless to put it in a backpack of any kind ... If you're gonna carry ... Get a holster, practice drawing and shooting, and do it right.

    P.S.
    The XD is a great gun ... I've got over 12,000 rounds through a XD9 and my only failures (3) were ammo related.

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    To the OP ... Glad you made it out alive, and sorry about the loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    If you want the lightest and most compact, go for the Kel Tec PF-9. Only problem is, if you want to simulate shooting it, open your palm and whack it nice and hard with a broom stick.

    I've got an XD-45, and it's got get ergonomics, but it's filled with lawyer features. It's got a grip safety, a stand alone loaded chamber indicator, and a striker indicator. Roll mark the instruction manual on the slide and it'd be like a Ruger. The grip safety is an issue too, since the slide won't open unless it's fully depressed. That could be a problem if you need to clear a malf under stress.

    Honestly, I'd go with a Glock 19 for a do-all pistol, assuming the ergonomics of it are tolerable to you. The G19's grip is a little small for me. The G17 is great for me, but it's length makes it harder to conceal. Pull trigger, it fires. Pull trigger, it fires. Repeat as needed. The trigger is the same every time, and there's no safeties to disengage before it'll fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    hey folks there was a recommendation earlier in this thread for a very small automatic that someone used while riding, but I don't see it now after re-reading. might have been the springfield xd but dont recall.

    anyway, interested in any additional suggestions for something small to put in the camelback. Good comments so far from Jayem, EazyE and some others thank you.
    I didn't read this thread just saw this question, so forgive me if it's been covered a dozen times.

    Why an auto? Just curious.
    Anyhow a small 5 or 6 round hammer-less revolver(.38 or .357mag) would be nice. Something like the Smith and Wesson M$P series. No hammer to get caught in the pocket or pack and it's a revolver so you point, pull trigger and it fires. If for some crazy reason you have a bad round there is nothing to clear, just pull the trigger again and it fires. No fuss, no muss, no safeties and nothing to get jammed or to try and clear and that's nice if stressed, I'm sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    I didn't read this thread just saw this question, so forgive me if it's been covered a dozen times.

    Why an auto? Just curious.
    Anyhow a small 5 or 6 round hammer-less revolver(.38 or .357mag) would be nice. Something like the Smith and Wesson M$P series. No hammer to get caught in the pocket or pack and it's a revolver so you point, pull trigger and it fires. If for some crazy reason you have a bad round there is nothing to clear, just pull the trigger again and it fires. No fuss, no muss, no safeties and nothing to get jammed or to try and clear and that's nice if stressed, I'm sure.

    Point and shoot baby!
    I've pretty much decided this is all that's needed, unless one is willing to strap on a rifle or lug around a full-sized auto. Not enough capacity? Carry two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I've pretty much decided this is all that's needed, unless one is willing to strap on a rifle or lug around a full-sized auto. Not enough capacity? Carry two.
    Yeah, capacity is limited but If I carried, and I don't, all I want protection from is what's likely to happen...a quick, point blank confrontation with a bad guy. I'd imagine if shots were fired (by me) or returned by me one or both of us would be running away from each other pretty quickly if not mortally wounded..and that would be that. I doubt many crackheads will stick around after hearing 5 cracks of a sub 2'' barrel .357 just feet from their head.

    I wouldn't bother planning for a sustained gun fight where I need 19 rounds and a second clip just in case there is more. That's the stuff I'd be prepared for if it were my job to deal with thugs on a daily basis though.

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    You guys ever see those flash mob videos? Bunch of worthless teenagers/young adults gather together and pick a store to rob/destroy. Having a gun would do a lot of good in that situation, but I'd feel really outnumbered having to face a crowd of punk kids with only five rounds of .357 out of a 2.5" barrel. Skin your smoke wagon and they'll probably decide they want to be at choir practice instead, but it's still bad odds.

    Most gun fights statistically last about 1.5 seconds with under three shots, but more and more, little packs of losers are getting together to start crap. Attacks involving multiple assailants will become more and more common, methinks.

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    Is it okay with you all if I admit this thread scares the **** out of me?

    (yes, I'm a pacifist.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Is it okay with you all if I admit this thread scares the **** out of me?

    (yes, I'm a pacifist.)
    I won't think less of you. If you've never been exposed to a high crime area, aren't familiar with firearms, and if you mostly associate with reasonable and respectable people, trying to come to terms with the savagery, depravity, and denigration of "the other side" can be a challenge.

    I grew up literally a 10 mile drive from East St. Louis, IL. If you've never been there, the rumors are true. I'm talking "You know where you are? You're in the jungle, baby." I'm talking degradation and blight that the average white man can't believe unless he sees it first hand. Parts of North St. Louis aren't any better, maybe worse. And, thanks to Section 8 and other social engineering programs, the "locals" of East St. have been slowly filtering up the hill to my hometown, bringing their old habits with them.

    That's what I grew up around. I've got no illusions about how the world is. If you weren't similarly privileged, I could see where you might have a problem.

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    I grew up in Scottsdale. I have a .38 but not sure where the bullets are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I grew up in Scottsdale. I have a .38 but not sure where the bullets are.
    I hope you have a strong throwing arm and good aim, cuz you'll only get 1 chance that a way!

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    My coworker runs and bikes with this. He says it is very comfortable, does not bounce around, and keeps your weapon in front without drawing too much attention to it. He carried a 45 in it very comfortably.

    http://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Produc...2/Default.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    You guys ever see those flash mob videos? Bunch of worthless teenagers/young adults gather together and pick a store to rob/destroy. Having a gun would do a lot of good in that situation, but I'd feel really outnumbered having to face a crowd of punk kids with only five rounds of .357 out of a 2.5" barrel. Skin your smoke wagon and they'll probably decide they want to be at choir practice instead, but it's still bad odds.

    Most gun fights statistically last about 1.5 seconds with under three shots, but more and more, little packs of losers are getting together to start crap. Attacks involving multiple assailants will become more and more common, methinks.
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
    I see where you're coming from. If I had to face a flash riot, I'd want a rifle. Preferably along with a friend who also has a rifle. Going around like a Mogadishu warlord isn't socially acceptable, even in AZ, so a pistol has to suffice.

    I wouldn't really worry about practicing defusing a flash riot, but I'd definitely practice facing multiple assailants. The "pack mentality" is becoming more and more prevalent in urban yoots. We're seeing a lot more instances of two or three losers out committing crimes as a group. Makes sense, as two or three guys can fan out, block exits, run interference, act as a distraction, etc. It's really the same tactics lions use on zebras, and the same mentality from the predators.

    One thing they say in the military is, "While you sleep, your enemy is training."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    You guys ever see those flash mob videos?
    Its a little annoying but I don't think I would start firing off rounds at them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    I'm not going to get tied in knots over those 1% scenarios, it's no way to live .
    Hey man, you haven't lived til you get flash-mobbed on the Black Canyon Trail...


    I think some members must have had childhoods like this.....



    Daddy...tell us more about how "those people" form flash mobs.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Its a little annoying but I don't think I would start firing off rounds at them.

    Someone who is completely nuts may though

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    i have had it happen to me and now i always carry...ALWAYS! ( the guy got away with more than $350 and my wallet)
    i'm not joking, posting is scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by radiocraig View Post
    i have had it happen to me and now i always carry...ALWAYS! ( the guy got away with more than $350 and my wallet)
    Mind sharing your story? Some may learn some key things to look out for and be able to avoid what you experienced.

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    Wow, crazy story Big Games! Glad you're ok and you got to unload some anger on him.

    Not to bash on Trek but if you were riding a "real" bike we'd be having another conversation on here. LOL!

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    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.

    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.

    Lethal force in response to lethal force. Gun vs Gun, knife, machete, dirty needle...

    Physical force in response to physical force. Fist vs Fist, Taser, Stun Gun, Mace...

    So you can essentially tase someone for walking up to you, and not get any charges, if you shoot someone for making you feel uncomfortable though, they might sue you. I like the Tase and Mace approach, unless I'm worried for my life, then I shoot a couple of times, and ask later. It is AZ.
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    Always a good idea to carry at night, you never know if scum like that or a crazed squirrel/Pit Bull/Mountain Lion will attack you; an extra magazine would be helpful also! Ultra bright LED tactical flashlight (small) is also nice to have to blind scum like that for a tactical advantage!

    Extra points for handing him an ass kicking, too bad he wasn't more seriously damaged though.

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    You could very well have been bitten by one of the notorious Tweaker Ville Zombies!

    You need an anti-zombie inoculation ASAP!

    A really good bottle of single malt Scotch might also be helpful to ward off infection!

    As a side-note, Zombie Max ammo might be a good investment when you get a carry pistol (you never know)!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.

    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.

    Lethal force in response to lethal force. Gun vs Gun, knife, machete, dirty needle...

    Physical force in response to physical force. Fist vs Fist, Taser, Stun Gun, Mace...

    So you can essentially tase someone for walking up to you, and not get any charges, if you shoot someone for making you feel uncomfortable though, they might sue you. I like the Tase and Mace approach, unless I'm worried for my life, then I shoot a couple of times, and ask later. It is AZ.



    I'm just a barracks lawyer, but I wouldn't follow this advice. So, if some guy walks up to me and asks for a cigarette, and he's a weirdo, I can just tase him and it's no big deal? No possibility of an assault charge?

    Lethal force is also acceptable in response to a physical alteration. Zimmerman said Trayvon had him on the ground beating his head on the street. That's life threatening. Two or more guys trying to beat you is a disparity of force, and it's justifiable to shoot in that situation.

    I suggest you read the "Street Robberies and You" link I posted earlier.

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    also acceptable alternative is just staying clear of ****ty areas.


    i had to google 'barracks lawyer',, and i see its kinda like Rimmer from red dwarf.

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    You can do whatever you can do. The consequences are a totally different concept - 'may' and 'might'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    Technically you cannot just up and shoot someone unless you feel that your life is truely in danger. In this case the guy had a gun, so yeah shoot first, and shoot second, then ask questions later.
    The KEY is you have to be able to demonstrate to a judge or jury that a reasonable person in the same situation would have felt threatened enough to apply a like amount of force, deadly or otherwise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.
    No, you can't apply any amount of force to someone simply because you felt uncomfortable.

    But, again, the key is that you can demonstrate to a judge or jury that any other reasonable person would have reacted in like manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgrafk View Post
    Wow, crazy story Big Games! Glad you're ok and you got to unload some anger on him.

    Not to bash on Trek but if you were riding a "real" bike we'd be having another conversation on here. LOL!

    So you mean.....to bash on Trek, so what kind of "real bike" would change the fact that he almost got shot? Pretty sure the thief could have care less about the brand of bike like you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdss View Post
    In the case where a weirdo comes up to you and makes you feel uncomfortable, you have every right to tase the hell out of em without any reprocussions of the law.
    or you could just not frequent those types of bars...

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    Two things that I have been told if you unfortunately have to shoot someone:

    1. When you call 911 to report the shooting only tell them that someone has been shot and whether or not they are still alive.

    2. Dont say ANYTHING about what happened until you have talked to a lawyer. You dont want to end up being a victim twice...
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    I don't know why, but I remember reading this story about how a guys bike was stolen in Northern California... It's amazing how much our mentality here in AZ differs. At least there is one less thief on the streets in AZ.
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    So I just figured out the"real" bike......I'm a dumbass! Lol

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    you hafta wonder if that guy caught hell from his wife afterwards,
    "dont you ever ****ing endanger your well being or that of your family again, that was ****ing stupid and you couldve gotten us killed"
    sometimes a lesson is best learned when the **** flies from the inside (unless you think jail time actually rehabilitates)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    I don't know why, but I remember reading this story about how a guys bike was stolen in Northern California... It's amazing how much our mentality here in AZ differs.
    In CA everything is someone else's fault. It wasn't that guys fault that he stole the DHR. Society and the upbringing by his sh|tty parents were at fault. He's only in our country to better support his family. Can't give a guy a beatdown for something that's not his fault, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    you hafta wonder if that guy caught hell from his wife afterwards,
    "dont you ever ****ing endanger your well being or that of your family again, that was ****ing stupid and you couldve gotten us killed"
    sometimes a lesson is best learned when the **** flies from the inside (unless you think jail time actually rehabilitates)
    Are you kidding? These kinds of people are to f*ck*ng stupid to be mad. Or embarrassed. Or ashamed. They laughed all the way home. "That dumb-ass didn't even have the police there. We should be in jail right now but thanks to the dumb-ass liberals who make everything someone else's fault we're walking free right now. Ooooh, I got a harsh scolding. I feel soooooo baaaaaad." They probably went somewhere else and stole another bike right after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    In CA everything is someone else's fault. It wasn't that guys fault that he stole the DHR. Society and the upbringing by his sh|tty parents were at fault. He's only in our country to better support his family. Can't give a guy a beatdown for something that's not his fault, right?


    Are you kidding? These kinds of people are to f*ck*ng stupid to be mad. Or embarrassed. Or ashamed. They laughed all the way home. "That dumb-ass didn't even have the police there. We should be in jail right now but thanks to the dumb-ass liberals who make everything someone else's fault we're walking free right now. Ooooh, I got a harsh scolding. I feel soooooo baaaaaad." They probably went somewhere else and stole another bike right after that.
    You seem pretty cranked up about all this......it was a Turner.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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