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    Prescott vs. Sedona...

    So I'm headed out there from California the last week in December to ride in AZ, but not sure where to go as i have heard that both of these places have killer riding. I'm into XC and DH, but am going to bring an XC bike on this trip. If i can link some DH sort of trails in the mix that would be cool as well, and if there is any good shuttle stuff that someone could recommend that would be great as well. Any key trails i need to ride? I don't know much about the area and would love some sound advice.
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    Give me a yell when your in prescott and I'll show ya a well mix of stuff.
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    The visitor's sticky at the top of the AZ page has a lot of info. Dec/Jan/Feb is a great time to be riding our southern desert trails that are too hot for most people other times of the year. Sedona and Prescott may be lovely in late Dec but you also might end up with snow on trails and very chilly weather. During your planned vacation week there will be lots of spontaneous rides in the Phx and Tucson area... see AZ Winter Fling!! If you want company and a guide, you are welcome to join these rides but you'll need to have internet access to gather the info. Bring a laptop!

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    We'd be happy to take you out, too. I'm no DHer but all of the DH stuff here around Prescott is rideable on a rigid or hardtail. Not really true DH. If you want to do the true DH stuff, you'll have to go towards Sedona from here and helimech is your man to show you.

    I'd be happy to show you the rest of our trails, as would a 1/2 dozen other friendly riders from our area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peletonnissen
    So I'm headed out there from California the last week in December to ride in AZ, but not sure where to go as i have heard that both of these places have killer riding. I'm into XC and DH, but am going to bring an XC bike on this trip. If i can link some DH sort of trails in the mix that would be cool as well, and if there is any good shuttle stuff that someone could recommend that would be great as well. Any key trails i need to ride? I don't know much about the area and would love some sound advice.
    peleton:

    There are three things that Sedona has that Prescott doesn't:

    1. World Class Uphill Riding with some downhill;

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    2. World Class Scenery;

    3. All weather trail system due to rocky trail surface on many trails. We have over 100 trails to choose from.

    If you need a really nice place to stay for two people with a spa, workout room and potential guiding service, let me know. Cost is $86 a night normally $190.
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    Don't believe a word about the Sedona trails. They all suck. Go to Prescott.

    This trail isn't worth riding.
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    which horrible looking trail in Prescott might that be??
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    It's not, that trail is some 30 miles to the north and at least 2000 feet lower in elevation than anything in Prescott. And probably where you would want to be anyway the last week of December. Not that it snows that much there, but it will likely be at least 10 degrees warmer in Sedona that time of year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    It's not, that trail is some 30 miles to the north and at least 2000 feet lower in elevation than anything in Prescott. And probably where you would want to be anyway the last week of December. Not that it snows that much there, but it will likely be at least 10 degrees warmer in Sedona that time of year.
    not to be too contentious, but i'm gonna bid that sedona will actually be closer to only1500 feet lower and no more than about 5 degrees warmer than prescott the last week in december (admitting, of course, that time-of-year will have a slightly greater effect on temperature than it will on elevation, typically, tho ymmv...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler
    not to be too contentious, but i'm gonna bid that sedona will actually be closer to only1500 feet lower and no more than about 5 degrees warmer than prescott the last week in december (admitting, of course, that time-of-year will have a slightly greater effect on temperature than it will on elevation, typically, tho ymmv...).
    The trail pictured is at about 5200', the Courthouse at Preskitt is just under 5400'. More important is the different nature of the trails and scenery. Don't pay attention to the world class stuff, that old guy needs his meds adjusted. I heard he took up hiking and joined the Sierra Club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peletonnissen
    which horrible looking trail in Prescott might that be??
    peleton:

    Those of us who live near Sedona or Prescott have an ongoing friendly WAR going on as to what area has better riding. I have attached a letter from someone that has a less biased opinion than I do, you might want to read it.

    Just curious how old the Lafayette bike shop is. I may have puchased my first ten speed bike there 45 years ago? I use to ride down Mt. Diablo Blvd on it every school day to attend Stanley Junior High.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockychrysler
    not to be too contentious, but i'm gonna bid that sedona will actually be closer to only1500 feet lower and no more than about 5 degrees warmer than prescott the last week in december (admitting, of course, that time-of-year will have a slightly greater effect on temperature than it will on elevation, typically, tho ymmv...).
    RockyC, how can you be teaching class if you're killing time at work on mtbr like the rest of us

    You're partially correct. The mean max for Prescott in December is 52; whereas Sedona is 57. However, the average low of 22 is 9 degrees lower than Sedona. Not only that, but most sedona riding is in the 4200' range +/- 200' and the good riding in Prescott is in the hills above town so I stand by my earlier assertion that the elevation difference is closer to 2000'. Take that you educator of our children.

    Hey, I ran into Eugene out on the trails. I'm gonna have to get one of his unicycles http://coconinocycles.blogspot.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velokid1
    We'd be happy to take you out, too. I'm no DHer but all of the DH stuff here around Prescott is rideable on a rigid or hardtail. Not really true DH. If you want to do the true DH stuff, you'll have to go towards Sedona from here and helimech is your man to show you.

    I'd be happy to show you the rest of our trails, as would a 1/2 dozen other friendly riders from our area.

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    Agree with what he says, except that if you want DH, go to Phoenix and ride South Mountain (flagstaff could always be ridable, and it has superb downhill-but is a gamble this time of year). This time of year, it's either there(phoenix) or Boulder City for real shuttle-runs on DH bikes. Sedona stuff has lots of climbs, becomes a bear on a real big bike, has limited amount of vertical, and so on. It's not that there's no fun riding, or no routes to take, but as an example, Damifino is NOT a DH trail, even though it has features, downhill sections, some technical things, etc. If you're ok with with this, then Sedona is fine. Take something you are comfortable on climbing or pushing up steep stuff, even though it may not be for an extended period of time.
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    I think your best bet is to play it by ear and see what the weather has to offer. If Prescott gets a little snow, chances are Sedona might be dry. If both Sedona and Prescott are cold and wet, maybe head further south. Fact is, everything worth riding in this part of the state is within a 90 minute drive, so you could fold in all of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Agree with what he says, except that if you want DH, go to Phoenix and ride South Mountain (flagstaff could always be ridable, and it has superb downhill-but is a gamble this time of year). This time of year, it's either there(phoenix) or Boulder City for real shuttle-runs on DH bikes. Sedona stuff has lots of climbs, becomes a bear on a real big bike, has limited amount of vertical, and so on. It's not that there's no fun riding, or no routes to take, but as an example, Damifino is NOT a DH trail, even though it has features, downhill sections, some technical things, etc. If you're ok with with this, then Sedona is fine. Take something you are comfortable on climbing or pushing up steep stuff, even though it may not be for an extended period of time.
    Jayem, Jayem, quit being so negative. Yes flag does have some great DH, but I really think you need to explore more of your own area. You might be surprised . Just DHilled a mountain today thats right up the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    Those of us who live near Sedona or Prescott have an ongoing friendly WAR going on as to what area has better riding.

    What the hell are you talking about? We have an ongoing police action over you spamming, using poor grammar, and being annoying.

    I'm just going to remind everyone, most of the riding in Pskeet starts at 5.5 or so, and only goes up. Like above 7, up. If the riding on Spruce is not far better uphill riding (know as climbing to most) than anything in Sedona, then I am wrong.

    And that just does not happen.

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    Go to Sedona. Great views, the weather isn't that bad as I used to escape Flag in the winter to get in some hiking and biking down in Sedona. I personally like the Broken Arrow neighborhood/Submarine rock trail/Jeep Road/Chicken Point area to explore and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman
    RockyC, how can you be teaching class if you're killing time at work on mtbr like the rest of us

    You're partially correct. The mean max for Prescott in December is 52; whereas Sedona is 57. However, the average low of 22 is 9 degrees lower than Sedona. Not only that, but most sedona riding is in the 4200' range +/- 200' and the good riding in Prescott is in the hill above so I stand by my earlier assertion that the elevation difference is closer to 2000'. Take that you educator of our children.

    Hey, I ran into Eugene out on the trails. I'm gonna have to get one of his unicycles http://coconinocycles.blogspot.com/
    this is what happens when parents don't show for their parent-teacher conferences...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ionsmuse
    What the hell are you talking about? We have an ongoing police action over you spamming, using poor grammar, and being annoying.

    I'm just going to remind everyone, most of the riding in Pskeet starts at 5.5 or so, and only goes up. Like above 7, up. If the riding on Spruce is not far better uphill riding (know as climbing to most) than anything in Sedona, then I am wrong.

    And that just does not happen.

    Wise-man say: don’t make claims of never being wrong right after scolding someone for using poor grammar while using poor grammar yourself. That kind of wrecks the whole never being wrong thing.
    I agree, that ride up 307 is some serious climbing, especially ccw.

    Pele,
    The question is, do you prefer riding in the woods (Prescott), or would you prefer red dirt and slick-rock (Sedona). Since this is a one vs. the other thing, I vote for Prescott. But I live there so take it for what it’s worth. You won’t be disappointed with either.

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    Better views? The views in Prescott are every bit as good as the views in Sedona. The difference is that you have to do some climbing in Prescott to get above the trees where the spectacular views are. Or you can put on yer girly pants and shuttle.

    In Sedona, you can see the moonscape from anywhere in the moonscape. And it's spectacular, but without having to work for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velokid1
    Or you can put on yer girly pants and shuttle.
    DUDE, are ya smokin some of that prescott college stuff this morning. I do my fair share of climbing and decending, what some folks say "I earn my turns". You should realy come ride with me one day and wear your man pants . Why are people always picking sides. I do it all, just not on a spot brand 29er. Dam velo I thought you were above that.
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    The obvious answer here is to ride both. So close, so good, so different. 's why you're visiting, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech
    DUDE, are ya smokin some of that prescott college stuff this morning. I do my fair share of climbing and decending, what some folks say "I earn my turns". You should realy come ride with me one day and wear your man pants . Why are people always picking sides. I do it all, just not on a spot brand 29er. Dam velo I thought you were above that.
    Are you serious? You really think I was calling you out? All the lycra-wearing jokes and "XC" labels and your going to turn around and be this sensitive? I'm surprised.

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    Easy . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Velokid1
    . Or you can put on yer girly pants and shuttle.
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    Sounds like a generalization and a shot at the ladies. What? "girly" is supposed to be weak? To shuttle is weak? To shuttle is "girly?" I hope that's not what you're saying. . because, it appears that's what you're saying. .

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    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the differences in rocks, plants that maim and scratch, what the water tastes like, and which place has the better brewery?
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    Oh man, if you start comparing breweries then the REAL war begins. Nothing like a "Holy War" to stir the masses..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalkpaw
    ...and which place has the better brewery?

    That would be Missoula.

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    Oak Creek Brewery blows Prescott Brewing Company out of the water, hands down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Velokid1
    Are you serious? You really think I was calling you out? All the lycra-wearing jokes and "XC" labels and your going to turn around and be this sensitive? I'm surprised.
    Uh just got back from riding, uh shuttling, uh riding up 307 and then to slickrock. You wear lycras . Gothcha.
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    You Preskitteers need to have a group hug and make nice.

    VeloKid - the Contact link on the Raven page is busted. Just a heads-up.

    ionsmuse - You're right. The world class uphill that is referred to is not "climbing". It seems to be referring to short slow technical uphill sections that can be ridden clean with enough skill and fitness.

    az1jeff - what's with the 1? Might not be enough room in Yavapai county for the both of us..

    I'm just sitting here in B/F Cottonwood watching the poo being flung about and have no dog in this fight but do have an observation regarding the comparison of views and scenery. Ask most anyone anywhere in the USA if they've heard of Sedona and you'll probably get a yes, the red rocks place. Ask the same about Prescott and you'll most likely get a where? No insult to Prescott, just reality. Prescott is very similar in look and feel to lots of eastern towns. Great place, reminds me of back in Pa, but it's down the must see list a few spots when easterners come to visit and ride. Unless there's a rodeo on
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff

    az1jeff - what's with the 1? Might not be enough room in Yavapai county for the both of us..
    The real question is, what's with the missing 1? See, there really is enough room in Yavapai county. .you don't have a 1, and I do have a 1. Problem solved.

    You asked . .

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    Preskitt vs. Sedona, here ya go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    You Preskitteers need to have a group hug and make nice.
    I still argue that the OP should bag his original thoughts of Sedona and/or Prescott in December and come on down to Phoenix and Tucson where the friendly locals hang out

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    I still argue that the OP should bag his original thoughts of Sedona and/or Prescott in December and come on down to Phoenix and Tucson where the friendly locals hang out
    Because the friendly Phoenix/Tucson locals never badger and belittle each other with petty points of view about which bike is better, DH vs. XC, who wears what, who has suspension, riding too fast, riding too slow, dogs, hikers, horses, parking, night riding, tubes or tubeless, or SS vs. shifting. That almost never happens down there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    and this
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    Is this the steep drop in on Bike Path before you get to Under the Radar? I guess there are still some short downhill sections in Sedona to test rider skills. I have yet to see anyone clean it in the uphill direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    peleton:

    Just curious how old the Lafayette bike shop is. I may have puchased my first ten speed bike there 45 years ago? I use to ride down Mt. Diablo Blvd on it every school day to attend Stanley Junior High.

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    Doc your from Lafayette? Yowsers. . . I grew up in Orinda and spent some time living in Lafayette a few years ago. Never would of thought. Now I'm going to have to meet up for one of your rides when your healed. . . (I actually just tore my hamstring and PCL so i'm on the IR)

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    trail 51 maybe?

    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    az:

    Is this the steep drop in on Bike Path before you get to Under the Radar? I guess there are still some short downhill sections in Sedona to test rider skills. I have yet to see anyone clean it in the uphill direction.

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    that steep section pictured kind of looks like Trail 51 about a mile or so past Connector,,,,,,,,,,,maybe not, the trails all start looking the same after 22 years riding red durt

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    Quote Originally Posted by elrancho66
    that steep section pictured kind of looks like Trail 51 about a mile or so past Connector,,,,,,,,,,,maybe not, the trails all start looking the same after 22 years riding red durt
    Climbing Groom Creek on Spruce Mountain. My first trip riding Prescott, and loved it. Wish I had time then to explore more trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    az:

    Is this the steep drop in on Bike Path before you get to Under the Radar? I guess there are still some short downhill sections in Sedona to test rider skills. I have yet to see anyone clean it in the uphill direction.

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    Yeah that's it, just another boring Sedona trail. This shot doesn't really show how steep it is, don't think it's rideable uphill, too loose. Was interesting coming down on the hardtail
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    Jebus...this forum gets so sensitive.

    Prescott riding is fine, as is Sedona, Flag, etc. So some of you shuttle. Big frickin' deal. Some wear lycra and ride XC. Again, big frickin' deal.

    For a bunch of tough guys, some of you really do need to pull on the big boy pants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azjeff
    Yeah that's it, just another boring Sedona trail. This shot doesn't really show how steep it is, don't think it's rideable uphill, too loose. Was interesting coming down on the hardtail
    az:

    Are you going to come to Sedona to do a Thanksgiving ride? Could be fun, could be raining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roverbiker
    Jebus...this forum gets so sensitive.

    Prescott riding is fine, as is Sedona, Flag, etc. So some of you shuttle. Big frickin' deal. Some wear lycra and ride XC. Again, big frickin' deal.

    For a bunch of tough guys, some of you really do need to pull on the big boy pants.
    I'm glad you took out the part about Oklahoma. Ticks suck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    I'm glad you took out the part about Oklahoma. Ticks suck.
    There's always something, huh? Seriously, this group of forumites can be a host of wankers. Worse that roadies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    az:

    Are you going to come to Sedona to do a Thanksgiving ride? Could be fun, could be raining.

    Unbelievably we're flying to Pa on Thanksgiving Day to attend a wedding on Saturday. I'd much rather be riding in Sedona in the rain, and I moved here to not ride in rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonoranbiker
    Oak Creek Brewery blows Prescott Brewing Company out of the water, hands down.

    I was content to just read this thread, until the brew came up. Oak Creek Brew is for folks who like merican pilsners, but are feeling a little crazy having jumped a flight west from their abodes on the east coast and who, while texting on blackberries feel adventurous drinking a "dark beer".

    The ales at Oak Creek are pedestrian at best (given this forum...pun is well intended). If they were geared (another pun intended) towards 1st time beer drinkers any more than they already are, they'd have to slap a Zima label on the pint glass.

    As for who has the better shred.....it's like Mexican food restaurants in Tucson. You can't argue it because it depends on the flavor of the day.....if you like enchiladas....you go to Rosa's. If you like Carne Seca....you go to El Charo (downtown). If you like a vegie burro, you go to Mi Niditos (Burro Delux).....if you like a boiling vat of cheese....you go to La Parria Suiza....if you like........you get my point. I could have made my point the same way with Phish set-lists....but wanted to keep thing civil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOG farmer
    Climbing Groom Creek on Spruce Mountain. My first trip riding Prescott, and loved it. Wish I had time then to explore more trails.



    I cleaned that for the first time yesterday. Wahoo!
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