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    Place your Tour de France predictions here...

    I predict not one of you can name 5 racers in this year's tour.
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    I predict not one of you can name 5 racers in this year's tour.
    they all our on dope tho......

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    I predict someone will be accused of doping!
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    I am a tour hoar! and have been since I was 14. All life stops for the first 3 weeks in July at my house. I used to have to ride my bike down to the supermarket to see the Sat newspaper just to know who was in the top 3.

    I don't think there will be any surprises this year, Contador takes it, until they strip it from him. There could be an American on the podium, maybe Levi, don't think Christian can (hope I'm wrong). One of the Schleck's and Evans could podium, too. 2nd and 3rd are up for grabs. Mark will win lots of sprints, I like him. I think if all the contenders (for 2nd and 3rd) gang up on Contador, someone could beat him. They should have done that to Lance but they never did.

    It should be fun to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    I am a tour hoar! and have been since I was 14. All life stops for the first 3 weeks in July at my house. I used to have to ride my bike down to the supermarket to see the Sat newspaper just to know who was in the top 3.

    I don't think there will be any surprises this year, Contador takes it, until they strip it from him. There could be an American on the podium, maybe Levi, don't think Christian can (hope I'm wrong). One of the Schleck's and Evans could podium, too. 2nd and 3rd are up for grabs. Mark will win lots of sprints, I like him. I think if all the contenders (for 2nd and 3rd) gang up on Contador, someone could beat him. They should have done that to Lance but they never did.

    It should be fun to watch!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    I used to, until the event became a complete and utter farce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    gee atherton

    Cameron Zink

    Cedric Gracia

    darren bearclaw

    Brian Leal
    - rep....those are mtn bike rider, duh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias9000 View Post
    - rep....those are mtn bike rider, duh
    It's a mountain bike forum. But I bet that Leal guy shaves his legs.
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    I am holding out for a comeback of the best female rider I have ever seen on the Tour: Jan Ulrich. She was quite a competitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    It's a mountain bike forum. But I bet that Leal guy shaves his legs.
    Scary that you can name professional mountain bikers. Do you have posters of them up in your room?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    gee atherton

    Cameron Zink

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    darren bearclaw

    Brian Leal
    I thought that Brian guy took after his mom and became a professional wh0re?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    Scary that you can name professional mountain bikers. Do you have posters of them up in your room?
    Yes. Screen saver on my 55" LED.

    Do you have posters of the shaved leg TDF riders/dopers and their Toyota Prius's in yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    gee atherton

    Cameron Zink

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    Brian Leal
    +rep for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Yes. Screen saver on my 55" LED.

    Do you have posters of the shaved leg TDF riders/dopers and their Toyota Prius's in yours?
    55" LED???

    How many Lumens is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    Yes. Screen saver on my 55" LED.

    Do you have posters of the shaved leg TDF riders/dopers and their Toyota Prius's in yours?
    nope
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    Quote Originally Posted by kubo View Post
    55" LED???

    How many Lumens is that?
    I'm not sure. I failed to look at the greenie sticker on it. I'm sure it uses more power than a Toyota Prius.
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    OT: Do slower climbers have to yield to faster climbers on the Tour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    nope
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    Between the greenbelt, trainer, and the physical therapy... I am ready for Alps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    I am a tour hoar! and have been since I was 14. All life stops for the first 3 weeks in July at my house. I used to have to ride my bike down to the supermarket to see the Sat newspaper just to know who was in the top 3.

    I don't think there will be any surprises this year, Contador takes it, until they strip it from him. There could be an American on the podium, maybe Levi, don't think Christian can (hope I'm wrong). One of the Schleck's and Evans could podium, too. 2nd and 3rd are up for grabs. Mark will win lots of sprints, I like him. I think if all the contenders (for 2nd and 3rd) gang up on Contador, someone could beat him. They should have done that to Lance but they never did.

    It should be fun to watch!

    Brenda
    Think your pretty darn close here.

    here's my top three or so.

    Contador/Schlek/Schlek/Kloden

    Cadel Evans will explode on yet another climb in which he tries to attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdog View Post
    Between the greenbelt, trainer, and the physical therapy... I am ready for Alps!
    Who's he?

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    A doper will win. Probably Contador.
    I will watch.
    I can't help myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmarkos View Post
    Who's he?
    Eabos's stalker.
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    1. Clenbutador (where's the beef?)
    2. Schleck (does it really matter which one?)
    3. Chris Horner
    4. Cuddles aka: Cadel Evans
    5. Bradley Wiggins

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    I say Lance wins it with Floyd Landis coming in second.
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    Lance always!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipolopolo View Post

    Cadel Evans will explode on yet another climb in which he tries to attack.
    Cadels more known for not attackingbut your right, he'll still explode on one of the major climbs

    Quote Originally Posted by chiva View Post
    1. Clenbutador (where's the beef?)
    2. Schleck (does it really matter which one?)
    3. Chris Horner
    4. Cuddles aka: Cadel Evans
    5. Bradley Wiggins
    a very likely scenario .....maybe replace Horner(I hope not) with Levi(who like cadel will explode on one of the climbs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    Cadels more known for not attackingbut your right, he'll still explode on one of the major climbs
    a very likely scenario .....maybe replace Horner(I hope not) with Levi(who like cadel will explode on one of the climbs)


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    With all due respect ST, I agree with cycle 64. This is a MTB forum. At the very least, your post should read. "OTPlace your "tour de who gives a *****" predictions here". If I care nothing about the Superbowl, World Series and Stanley Cup, can you imagine how little I care about the TDWGAS? Don't get upset. I just think getting excited about EPO infused wafe boys pedaling up a hill is about as exciting as watching juiced up illiterates crush a ball out of a ball park(huge accomplishment??). The TDWGAS is IMHO, up there with eating contests... Now if you posted "What MX racer will win Redbud" or "Will Aaron Gwin win Mt. Sainte Anne", that's a different story. The worst these guys can be accused of is hitting a doobie after the race. My two cents.
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    Always been a Cadel fan since he was a mountain bike professional, I also tend to gravitate towards the stagiaire who probably doesn't dope or at least not that much and puts in one big effort for one day of glory.

    On Cadel, I blew it with Landis and Rasmussen who were also mountain riders.

    My lady is now into it after watching with me last year which is a huge bonus since it monopolizes the TV for 3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Now if you posted "What MX racer will win Redbud" or "Will Aaron Gwin win Mt. Sainte Anne", that's a different story. The worst these guys can be accused of is hitting a doobie after the race. My two cents.
    I'm assuming these are downhill races? If so, I thought the goal of these was to see how many sponsors' logos one could fit on a racing jersey?
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    Mx=motocross
    Aaron Gwin is indeed a dh racer. Aaron Gwin was an ex moto-x racer.

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    Here ya go. Tour de France no longer OT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRx8jO9DX5c

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    With all due respect ST, I agree with cycle 64. This is a MTB forum. At the very least, your post should read. "OTPlace your "tour de who gives a *****" predictions here".
    I was actually just having some fun with the question. Personally I think it is amazing how fast the riders are in both groups. I keep hearing how this SS gig is the greatest. Wonder how well a top rider would hang at the TDF on a SS? Made sure to insert a smiley. Someone might think I was serious with that question!

    I'm sure that Leal dude could hang!
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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Mx=motocross
    Aaron Gwin is indeed a dh racer. Aaron Gwin was an ex moto-x racer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    I used to, until the event became a complete and utter farce.
    Same for me with the "drug free" NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Now if you posted "What MX racer will win Redbud" or "Will Aaron Gwin win Mt. Sainte Anne", that's a different story. The worst these guys can be accused of is hitting a doobie after the race. My two cents.
    Oh, these are just the ticket. Nothing is more exciting than watching beer drinking doobie smoking rednecks utilizing machines and/or gravity in the hopes of adding another logo to their riding gear.
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    Andy Schleck for the win.

    I will have the roadbike on the indoor trainer perched in front of the tv. Might even shave my legs..............again.

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    I don't think John Tomac would say that road racing is a farce or not relevant to mtb racing...

    Contador (unfortunately) will win again.

    I can probably name 20 other riders in the tour off the top of my head. I'm a touraholic. It is the only time of year my wife watches TV.

    Regardless of the doping scandals it is an amazing sporting event and amazing demonstration of skill fitness and determination.

    You don't think mtb racers ever use PED's or other drugs? At least the road racing organizations are serious about trying to police the use of drugs. None of the major US sports really want to catch anybody and they aren't really trying.

    Anybody ever read Bobke's books? I just finished one (Bobke II) and it is awesome. Plenty of mtb stories in there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir View Post
    Oh, these are just the ticket. Nothing is more exciting than watching beer drinking doobie smoking rednecks utilizing machines and/or gravity in the hopes of adding another logo to their riding gear.
    Totally... As if the noodle armed dudes aren't logo'd up??? Would you say that John Tomac fits the description of a beer drinking doobie smoking redneck? His son is an enormous force in the mx/sx lites class and consistently places in the top 5. In addition, JT is Aaron Gwin's coach and one reason(if not the reason) for his success in the World Cup dh circuit this year.

    With all due respect to those that think MX(dh for that matter) is a fat man's sport and that the engine and gravity are doing all the work. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

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    I've raced road bikes, mtb and off-road motorcycles. Off road moto is the hardest physically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gila monster View Post
    I don't think John Tomac would say that road racing is a farce or not relevant to mtb racing...

    Contador (unfortunately) will win again.

    I can probably name 20 other riders in the tour off the top of my head. I'm a touraholic. It is the only time of year my wife watches TV.

    Regardless of the doping scandals it is an amazing sporting event and amazing demonstration of skill fitness and determination.

    You don't think mtb racers ever use PED's or other drugs? At least the road racing organizations are serious about trying to police the use of drugs. None of the major US sports really want to catch anybody and they aren't really trying.

    Anybody ever read Bobke's books? I just finished one (Bobke II) and it is awesome. Plenty of mtb stories in there too.
    I agree with this...

    heres a few names of dopers in mtb of the top of my head...

    Elena Gaddoni

    Michael Rassmussen- 2007 tdf

    Alexi Grewal

    Jerome Chiotti- (never busted, but admitted it publicly on his own initiative years later because he couldn't live with it, was stripped of title)

    Filip Meirhaeghe (busted for EPO)

    Christophe Dupouey (eventually committed suicide after being found out as part of a performance enhancing drug trafficking ring)

    Roland Green

    Chris Sheppard

    etc. etc. etc.

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    As far as doping, the use of PED's. Our chosen sport is not immune, even at the high end non-professional level. I have a "group" of guys I ride (watch) with from time to time that are all juiced.

    I have reconciled that if I choose to watch the tour (which I do) some will be outed every tour and I will be disappointed by that every year as well.

    The last few years have been rather dull in comparison to the mind numbing "Lance years". His dominance in the mountains and the furious attack's on the historic climbs are no more. Every year I wait....wait...wait, the alps, the pyrenees, still no theatrics of note. But I watch every stage every year none the less.

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    Phil, Paul and Bobke are the sounds of Summer.
    As longs as its not Contador..if I see him pistelaro the camera one more time I might pistelaro my head.
    Would kill to see Leipheimer OA or Hincapie take a mtn stage(again), but I dont have high hopes.
    The Schlecks could both podium for sure, so .....
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    Anybody but Contador.

    Levi won the Tour de Suisse (sp?) on the final stage by just a few seconds after being down by a couple of minutes. I would very much like to see him win the GC.

    Caddel would be my second pick, but I agree he'll have one bad day on the climbs and lose a lot of time.

    Andy Schleck probably has the best chance of beating Contador though

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmorath View Post
    Here ya go. Tour de France no longer OT

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRx8jO9DX5c
    That is awesome! You knew the crash was coming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grizzlyplumber View Post
    That is awesome! You knew the crash was coming.
    I believe thats Dave Watson hucking over the peloton...I was watching it live when it happened and couldnt believe my it was beyond
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    Been watching the tour for many years. Watching LeMond win the '89 tour on the last day was a big deal back in the day for me.

    Was a big Lance fan for a long time, diminished when he went Hollywood and then more when I finally admitted what I knew all along....but he was fun to watch! Have a pair of "Dopers Suck' socks and think it sucks that the race has been tarnished by all the doping scandels.

    But I will watch the tour streaming live on the pc as I dont have Versus and I want Levi to kick some butt.

    Golf had/has the Tiger thing and now we have young Rory bringing back some goodness and reason to cheer the game. Hopefully cycling will find someone to do the same.

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    Now that that's settled........Does Farrar have anything for Cavendish this year??.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipolopolo View Post
    Now that that's settled........Does Farrar have anything for Cavendish this year??.

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    Getting back to the OP, I think Contador will win but I hope Andy S. wins. I think there are some good young talents that will take some stage wins. If I had to pick the GC podium for accuracy it would be Contador, Schleck, Evans If I pick for what I want it would be Levi, Horner, Van deVelde in any order (American Sweep)

    I used to like Cavendish for the sprints but he's getting harder to like the more I learn about him. I'm hoping for Thor to win the Green jersey again. He's a much better all around rider.

    I hope the Schlecks are doing a rope-a-dope with their sorry time trial performances in the Tour de Swisse If they don't pick it up they won't see the podium at all. The team time trial might really turn things for some guys too. I bet Radio Shack pulls a good one. Of course Leopard Trek can just sit in behind Cancellara and probably still win. That guy is amazing.

    When Peter Sagan matures all those old boys better watch out but I don't think he will be in this year.

    Hows that for naming more than 5 riders...? I could list off a bunch more if I could spell their names.

    I have been watching the tour and road bike racing since the LeMond era. I lived in Boulder in the mid 80's when they had the Coors Classic. Got to see Lemond, Hinault, Phinney, etc. racing up close. Way cool. I sat in with 7-11 a couple of times on training rides and even went rock climbing with Andy Hampsten. Those were the days before there was big money and bigger egos.

    Speaking of golf... isn't it strange that now that they are testing for PED's Tiger is always hurt and just not the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbowilly View Post
    Anybody but Contador.

    Andy Schleck probably has the best chance of beating Contador though
    Nope, Levi has the best chance, (never gonna happen, hope I'm wrong) at least he can time trial. Only way Andy can win is if they let him get away on a big mtn stage and that won't happen. Andy's big downfall has always be TT and with a team TT, there are just more minutes for him to lose.

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    If Contador wins, it'll be interesting to see if he tries to ride and win the Vuelta in Sept.

    He is already only 1 of 5 peeps that have won all 3 Grand Tours but no one has ever won all 3 in the same year!
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    If Contador wins, it'll be interesting to see if he tries to ride and win the Vuelta in Sept.

    He is already only 1 of 5 peeps that have won all 3 Grand Tours but no one has ever won all 3 in the same year!
    Is the other third grand tour the El Tour de Tucson?
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    Is the other third grand tour the El Tour de Tucson?
    NO!

    Tour de France - Tour of France (est. 1903), held in July
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    I've raced road bikes, mtb and off-road motorcycles. Off road moto is the hardest physically.
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    Nope, Levi has the best chance, (never gonna happen, hope I'm wrong) at least he can time trial. .
    I hope you're right (wrong?). I would really like to see Levi win.

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    My prediction is that a whole bunch of guys will ride around several European countries for a long time, someone will win, then will be found to have taken some performance enhancing drug, there will be a furore about it, and I will quickly switch channels if I ever see it on my TV... I am aghast that anyone enjoys watching this sport, but that is just my opinion... Eddy Merckx did shake my hand once tho...

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    Well put Rockerc. The argument that it goes on in mtb or in any other sport is SO tired. The argument that everyone is doing it on the tour and thus it's an even playing field is even even more tiredererer. The assertion that these guys are skilled is where you lose the argument. I respect the dedication that it takes to get to that level at any sport. In addition, I respect their level of fitness. However I would love to see how many Push-ups Lance could do before his arms folded in two. All this said, those guys are human hamsters on a human hamster wheel. I would argue that anyone with enough time, money and drugs could compete in the TDWGAS. That can't be said for a lot of other sports including but not limited to DHMTB, Moto, insert sport here. If I rememeber correctly, Sir Lance tweeted about his exploits while riding in Tucson on a trail that we usually introduce to beginners. He said that it was, and I quote "super technical". Skill? I think not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    However I would love to see how many Push-ups Lance could do before his arms folded in two.
    First off, I'm in no way defending the dopers. And as I said before, I find the TdF a farce. That said, what does this have to do with anything?


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    I would argue that anyone with enough time, money and drugs could compete in the TDWGAS.
    I respectively disagree. This kind of stuff helps one excel. But 99.9% of the Tour riders have been riding since they were tots, training to one day race professionally. They needed support from the biking community well before they decided they need chemical enhancers. To claim that anybody put in the same circumstances would succeed is a bit uninformed, as road professional cyclists have certain tools others don't have, doping or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    That can't be said for a lot of other sports including but not limited to DHMTB, Moto, insert sport here. If I rememeber correctly, Sir Lance tweeted about his exploits while riding in Tucson on a trail that we usually introduce to beginners. He said that it was, and I quote "super technical". Skill? I think not...
    You pretty much just made my arguement for me. Because he spends a very small amout of his training time mountain biking, you expect him to be at the same level as those who are dedicated to downhilling. Can't I say that if Lance dedicated 100% of his riding time to riding super-technical trails that he would excel at DHMTBing? No? Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    First off, I'm in no way defending the dopers. And as I said before, I find the TdF a farce. That said, what does this have to do with anything?



    I respectively disagree. This kind of stuff helps one excel. But 99.9% of the Tour riders have been riding since they were tots, training to one day race professionally. They needed support from the biking community well before they decided they need chemical enhancers. To claim that anybody put in the same circumstances would succeed is a bit uninformed, as road professional cyclists have certain tools others don't have, doping or not.


    You pretty much just made my arguement for me. Because he spends a very small amout of his training time mountain biking, you expect him to be at the same level as those who are dedicated to downhilling. Can't I say that if Lance dedicated 100% of his riding time to riding super-technical trails that he would excel at DHMTBing? No? Why not?

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    (That said, they are all a bunch of cheaters.)
    First point, you asked what does this have to with anything. Someone made the point that these guys are fit. Define Fit? My wife is a personal trainer(who had a succesful mentor with a great pedigree) with many years experience. She would be the first to tell you that the fitness of most road riders is laughable. Remember my point about human hamsters?

    Second point, with regards to them growing up wanting to be riders as tots. Agreed and I stand corrected. I should have added "desire" to the list of $, time, drugs.

    Third point. No he would not. This is why. Very few people and I mean an infinitely small number of people have the desire, confidence, gonads and skill set to ride at the level of say, Steve Peat, Sam Hill, Bubba Stewart(moto), Chad Reed(moto). To do this takes an unbelievable amount of the aformentioned requesites and most importantly, a willingness to put yourself in a position where at any given moment, at any race or practice, you risk disfigurement, dismemberment or Death. This is something that most people will not do. Don't believe me? Ask anyone on here why they don't downhill? On second thought don't do that. That'll just open up another can of worms. You get my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    First point, you asked what does this have to with anything. Someone made the point that these guys are fit. Define Fit? My wife is a personal trainer(who had a succesful mentor with a great pedigree) with many years experience. She would be the first to tell you that the fitness of most road riders is laughable. Remember my point about human hamsters?
    No disrespect to your wife, but 1) how does she define fitness? By the number of push-ups one can do? Are we talking about those who race in the TdF, or "most road riders?" I'm not going to argue that most road riders are not physically fit, as I have absolutely no basis to make that argument. But every single one of the riders in the TdF is physically fit, doping or not. Can I make the same comment about "most downhill riders?" That their fitness level is ****?

    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Second point, with regards to them growing up wanting to be riders as tots. Agreed and I stand corrected. I should have added "desire" to the list of $, time, drugs.
    Still not true. I read someplace that Lance's lung capacity was abnormally large. That's not something you can train for, or take drugs to enhance. That's natural ability. One can eat, sleep, and breath riding and may never have the ability or skills to race road bikes professionally.

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    Third point. No he would not.
    Prove it?

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    This is why. Very few people and I mean an infinitely small number of people have the desire, confidence, gonads and skill set to ride at the level of say, Steve Peat, Sam Hill, Bubba Stewart(moto), Chad Reed(moto). To do this takes an unbelievable amount of the aformentioned requesites and most importantly, a willingness to put yourself in a position where at any given moment, at any race or practice, you risk disfigurement, dismemberment or Death. This is something that most people will not do. Don't believe me? Ask anyone on here why they don't downhill? On second thought don't do that. That'll just open up another can of worms. You get my point.
    You honestly think racing down a mountain at 80-90 MPH does not take any confidence, gonards, and a skill set? You honestly think there is not the risk of disfigurement or dismemberment? Don't assume that because crashing and protective gear from head to toe are a large part of a sport, that any sport where these are not a large part requires less skill (or confidence, gonads, etc.) That's being a bit closed minded, IMO. And just to be clear, I'm not suggesting the DH requires less (or more) skill, fitness level, etc. than road biking (or any other sport). The elite in both sports have a skill-set that can't be bought or taught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    No disrespect to your wife, but 1) how does she define fitness? By the number of push-ups one can do? Are we talking about those who race in the TdF, or "most road riders?" I'm not going to argue that most road riders are not physically fit, as I have absolutely no basis to make that argument. But every single one of the riders in the TdF is physically fit, doping or not. Can I make the same comment about "most downhill riders?" That their fitness level is ****?


    Still not true. I read someplace that Lance's lung capacity was abnormally large. That's not something you can train for, or take drugs to enhance. That's natural ability. One can eat, sleep, and breath riding and may never have the ability or skills to race road bikes professionally.


    Prove it?


    You honestly think racing down a mountain at 80-90 MPH does not take any confidence, gonards, and a skill set? You honestly think there is not the risk of disfigurement or dismemberment? Don't assume that because crashing and protective gear from head to toe are a large part of a sport, that any sport where these are not a large part requires less skill (or confidence, gonads, etc.) That's being a bit closed minded, IMO. And just to be clear, I'm not suggesting the DH requires less (or more) skill, fitness level, etc. than road biking (or any other sport). The elite in both sports have a skill-set that can't be bought or taught.
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    First point, Great question. We could have a debate all month about what fitness entails. I don't have time to debate that but what I will say is that any sport that uses only half of the body to the point of borderline atrophy of the other part of the body is less "fit" than say soccer or MMA or Moto. Hell even Dh for that matter. When you stand next to Gee Atherton and you say "damn! That guy could play wide receiver for a Pro football team" That's fit. When you stand next to Senor Contador and say, my wife could beat this guy in an arm wrestling match. Not so much...

    Secondly, What you are referring to is Lance's vo2 max or enlarged heart which are both true. However, the heart is called luck of the draw AKA genetics. The vo2 max while impressive is still less than that of Ricky Carmichael(GOAT Moto racer). No proof of this and merely anecdotal but seeing as those guys race two 35 motos at almost max heart rate, I'd say that qualifies as fit. Really fit. Ever done anything at max heart rate for 5 mins?

    Lastly,
    Explain the skills necessary to bomb down a road in a strait line at 80-90mph(which I doubt seriously. You making stuff up?). I have riddena motorcycle in straightline at 120 and I could have had a cup of coffee simutaneously. Help me understand what skill this takes to push left foot, push right foot, stare at the road. Repeat.

    I mean it's not as if I haven't jumped on the bike and ridden the road before(don't tell anyone. My rep points can't take another blow). I think my head would explode from the boredom before my lungs or legs would give out.

    Now can I have more rep points? I still don't know(or care) what this means...

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Well put Rockerc. The argument that it goes on in mtb or in any other sport is SO tired. The argument that everyone is doing it on the tour and thus it's an even playing field is even even more tiredererer. The assertion that these guys are skilled is where you lose the argument. I respect the dedication that it takes to get to that level at any sport. In addition, I respect their level of fitness. However I would love to see how many Push-ups Lance could do before his arms folded in two. All this said, those guys are human hamsters on a human hamster wheel. I would argue that anyone with enough time, money and drugs could compete in the TDWGAS. That can't be said for a lot of other sports including but not limited to DHMTB, Moto, insert sport here. If I rememeber correctly, Sir Lance tweeted about his exploits while riding in Tucson on a trail that we usually introduce to beginners. He said that it was, and I quote "super technical". Skill? I think not...
    The position that professional road cyclists are nothing more than really fit unskilled super dopers is the argument that is SO tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
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    First point, Great question. We could have a debate all month about what fitness entails. I don't have time to debate that but what I will say is that any sport that uses only half of the body to the point of borderline atrophy of the other part of the body is less "fit" than say soccer or MMA or Moto. Hell even Dh for that matter. When you stand next to Gee Atherton and you say "damn! That guy could play wide receiver for a Pro football team" That's fit. When you stand next to Senor Contador and say, my wife could beat this guy in an arm wrestling match. Not so much...

    Secondly, What you are referring to is Lance's vo2 max or enlarged heart which are both true. However, the heart is called luck of the draw AKA genetics. The vo2 max while impressive is still less than that of Ricky Carmichael(GOAT Moto racer). No proof of this and merely anecdotal but seeing as those guys race two 35 motos at almost max heart rate, I'd say that qualifies as fit. Really fit. Ever done anything at max heart rate for 5 mins?

    Lastly,
    Explain the skills necessary to bomb down a road in a strait line at 80-90mph(which I doubt seriously. You making stuff up?). I have riddena motorcycle in straightline at 120 and I could have had a cup of coffee simutaneously. Help me understand what skill this takes to push left foot, push right foot, stare at the road. Repeat.

    I mean it's not as if I haven't jumped on the bike and ridden the road before(don't tell anyone. My rep points can't take another blow). I think my head would explode from the boredom before my lungs or legs would give out.

    Now can I have more rep points? I still don't know(or care) what this means...
    You're correct. It's obvious we could debate this forever. You seem stuck on the need to prove to me that road cyclists are a lesser form of athlete than most other athletes. It's obvious I'm not going to change your mind. We can agree to disagree.

    EDIT: Let me just add that if you're definition of "fit" is a professional football player, we have very different definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    You're correct. It's obvious we could debate this forever. You seem stuck on the need to prove to me that road cyclists are a lesser form of athlete than most other athletes. It's obvious I'm not going to change your mind. We can agree to disagree.

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    The position that professional road cyclists are nothing more than really fit unskilled super dopers is the argument that is SO tired.
    No, just "tired" to those who embrace a sport that most geriatrics can excel at. Sorry but it's true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
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    First point, Great question. We could have a debate all month about what fitness entails. I don't have time to debate that but what I will say is that any sport that uses only half of the body to the point of borderline atrophy of the other part of the body is less "fit" than say soccer or MMA or Moto. Hell even Dh for that matter. When you stand next to Gee Atherton and you say "damn! That guy could play wide receiver for a Pro football team" That's fit. When you stand next to Senor Contador and say, my wife could beat this guy in an arm wrestling match. Not so much....
    Using your logic, you are eliminating way too many athletes as unfit, such as speed skaters, runners, cross-country skiers and many many others. Also, soccer players are closer to cyclists than wide receivers. Your soccer comparison fails. Ever hear of the Badger? He would probably eat half the NFL wide receivers.


    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    Secondly, What you are referring to is Lance's vo2 max or enlarged heart which are both true. However, the heart is called luck of the draw AKA genetics. The vo2 max while impressive is still less than that of Ricky Carmichael(GOAT Moto racer). No proof of this and merely anecdotal but seeing as those guys race two 35 motos at almost max heart rate, I'd say that qualifies as fit. Really fit. Ever done anything at max heart rate for 5 mins?
    This argument says nothing other than Ricky Carmichael is really fit. I agree. Other than that, it states nothing.

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    Lastly,
    Explain the skills necessary to bomb down a road in a strait line at 80-90mph(which I doubt seriously. You making stuff up?). I have riddena motorcycle in straightline at 120 and I could have had a cup of coffee simutaneously. Help me understand what skill this takes to push left foot, push right foot, stare at the road. Repeat.
    I am literally shocked at this argument. A pro cyclist died in a downhill crash this year in the Giro. Racing bikes down mountain roads at full speed requires massive skill and ginormous cuchones. I would argue that based on the above-needed skills alone, professional cyclists have more balls than DH and MX combined. Try racing down a curvy mountain road without barriers after racing 100 plus miles with no protection other than a foam helmet. Yea, that's right. Cyclists don't have the luxury of wearing those vagina pads that MX and DH racers do. You also seem to have no idea how often professional cyclists crash hard, get up and continue to suffer.
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    The ironic thing is, I think you actually think I ride road bikes.
    No. Actually I didn't. I could tell from your sarcasm in the op. I think we both probably care very little about the tdwgas. We both just enjoy a debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir View Post
    Using your logic, you are eliminating way too many athletes as unfit, such as speed skaters, runners, cross-country skiers and many many others. Also, soccer players are closer to cyclists than wide receivers. Your soccer comparison fails. Ever hear of the Badger? He would probably eat half the NFL wide receivers.




    This argument says nothing other than Ricky Carmichael is really fit. I agree. Other than that, it states nothing.



    I am literally shocked at this argument. A pro cyclist died in a downhill crash this year in the Giro. Racing bikes down mountain roads at full speed requires massive skill and ginormous cuchones. I would argue that based on the above-needed skills alone, professional cyclists have more balls than DH and MX combined. Try racing down a curvy mountain road without barriers after racing 100 plus miles with no protection other than a foam helmet. Yea, that's right. Cyclists don't have the luxury of wearing those vagina pads that MX and DH racers do. You also seem to have no idea how often professional cyclists crash hard, get up and continue to suffer.
    First off, please back up the statement that roadies hit 80-90mph. I weigh 200# and have big ringed my 37# mtb down mt lemmon highway and the fastest I could go was 34mph. How does one pick up another 56 mph. I call BS. All your argument proves about the deceased is that he did not have as much skill as u say is contained in most roadies. Furthermore, I am guessing you have never ridden a mx bike around a track? Assuming you made it around the track without killing yourself(at your own pace mind you), you would undoubtedly be "punched". You know not what you speak of...


    By the way, most pro dhers are armord with none of the Vagina pads you mentioned. Perhaos a Leatt and knee pads, but not much more. Don't assume that because the weekend warriors on somo wear them, that all dhers do. Again,.you know not what you speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir View Post


    I am literally shocked at this argument. A pro cyclist died in a downhill crash this year in the Giro. Racing bikes down mountain roads at full speed requires massive skill and ginormous cuchones. I would argue that based on the above-needed skills alone, professional cyclists have more balls than DH and MX combined. Try racing down a curvy mountain road without barriers after racing 100 plus miles with no protection other than a foam helmet. Yea, that's right. Cyclists don't have the luxury of wearing those vagina pads that MX and DH racers do. You also seem to have no idea how often professional cyclists crash hard, get up and continue to suffer.
    I agree with this...
    ....Didn't that Lance guy show some handles in the TDF when he narrowly missed Beloki crashing his brains out(hip really...ended his career right then and there), descended a raw mountainside on his road bike then jumping back in to the leaders and with out missing a beat put the hammer down???
    I also recall some guy named Lance doing fairly well in some mtb races(Leadville, mellow Johnny 1st year, ,1 or 2 pro xc races with high placings) that big shot mtb pros were racing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    First off, please back up the statement that roadies hit 80-90mph. I weigh 200# and have big ringed my 37# mtb down mt lemmon highway and the fastest I could go was 34mph. How does one pick up another 56 mph. I call BS....
    Road riders ('speciallly pros)often times exceed 70kmh... so 55mph. Ive personally been 61mph on a road bike and let me til you if you think its not as hard or sketchy as a full blown dh run you are the one who knows not ...I have many hours on a mx track and you are right you are blown and it does take incredible skill and fitness to even make a half hearted attempt at it.....but that doesnt discredit that descending a road bike of a mtn pass is skillful and can down right be scary.
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    I love it... The irony in this post is fantastic. Can you name any of the big shot mtb pros in that race? Like who? Dave Wein's? The guy who's won it like 6 times? Last year, a roadie won(Levi). their were only three other pro racers(that's right, 3) that competed. That is an endurance road race on knobby tires and dirt roads. I know people who have competed in that and finished that would probably race Sport class in XC races and would not finish a dh race in beginner class. Not exactly representitive of MTBing IMO. If he entered the Downieville Super D, than I would give him props. This is why guys like Adam Craig, Carl Decker, Mark Weir and Ross Schnell have garnered so much respect. They are crazy fit and gnarly. The whole Lance is an awesome mtber argument is more played out than the rest....

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    First off, please back up the statement that roadies hit 80-90mph. I weigh 200# and have big ringed my 37# mtb down mt lemmon highway and the fastest I could go was 34mph. How does one pick up another 56 mph. I call BS. All your argument proves about the deceased is that he did not have as much skill as u say is contained in most roadies. Furthermore, I am guessing you have never ridden a mx bike around a track? Assuming you made it around the track without killing yourself(at your own pace mind you), you would undoubtedly be "punched". You know not what you speak of...


    By the way, most pro dhers are armord with none of the Vagina pads you mentioned. Perhaos a Leatt and knee pads, but not much more. Don't assume that because the weekend warriors on somo wear them, that all dhers do. Again,.you know not what you speak of.
    I never said anything about 80 to 90 mph in a straight line. I said racing down curvy mountain roads at full speed. Whether roadies top speed is 50, 60, 70 or 80 mph, traveling down a curvy mountain road as fast as you can is extremely dangerous and requires mad skills and testes. As an FYI, my top recorded speed on a bike was 63 mph.

    As to riding MX, I started at about 6 years old with a Honda MR 50 with a governor. I raced and rode virtually every week for about 10 years, mostly at Indian Dunes in SoCal. If this means I know not of what I speak, so be it.

    As to padding, I really don't believe your claims about the lack of padding. In any case, I didn't realize that Leatt and knee pads and full face hard shell helmets provide no more protection than a foam cap. I also didn't realize that crashing on dirt is as bad as crashing on pavement and/or slamming into a car.

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    First point, Great question. We could have a debate all month about what fitness entails. I don't have time to debate that but what I will say is that any sport that uses only half of the body to the point of borderline atrophy of the other part of the body is less "fit" than say soccer or MMA or Moto. Hell even Dh for that matter. When you stand next to Gee Atherton and you say "damn! That guy could play wide receiver for a Pro football team" That's fit. When you stand next to Senor Contador and say, my wife could beat this guy in an arm wrestling match. Not so much...

    Secondly, What you are referring to is Lance's vo2 max or enlarged heart which are both true. However, the heart is called luck of the draw AKA genetics. The vo2 max while impressive is still less than that of Ricky Carmichael(GOAT Moto racer). No proof of this and merely anecdotal but seeing as those guys race two 35 motos at almost max heart rate, I'd say that qualifies as fit. Really fit. Ever done anything at max heart rate for 5 mins?

    Lastly,
    Explain the skills necessary to bomb down a road in a strait line at 80-90mph(which I doubt seriously. You making stuff up?). I have riddena motorcycle in straightline at 120 and I could have had a cup of coffee simutaneously. Help me understand what skill this takes to push left foot, push right foot, stare at the road. Repeat.

    I mean it's not as if I haven't jumped on the bike and ridden the road before(don't tell anyone. My rep points can't take another blow). I think my head would explode from the boredom before my lungs or legs would give out.

    Now can I have more rep points? I still don't know(or care) what this means...

    Neg rep points for debating at an 8th grade level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    I love it... The irony in this post is fantastic. Can you name any of the big shot mtb pros in that race? Like who? Dave Wein's? The guy who's won it like 6 times? Last year, a roadie won(Levi). their were only three other pro racers(that's right, 3) that competed. That is an endurance road race on knobby tires and dirt roads. I know people who have competed in that and finished that would probably race Sport class in XC races and would not finish a dh race in beginner class. Not exactly representitive of MTBing IMO. If he entered the Downieville Super D, than I would give him props. This is why guys like Adam Craig, Carl Decker, Mark Weir and Ross Schnell have garnered so much respect. They are crazy fit and gnarly. The whole Lance is an awesome mtber argument is more played out than the rest....
    ok you mean like this .....granted its not super d or dh which you seem fixed on, but IT IS COLORADO and it IS the state championship and it IS the PROS and....well I think most get the point.....
    http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...mpionship_2361
    and I never said he was a fantastic mtb or that I even liked him......just saying dont discredit a sport that is and can be very difficult.
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    sorry repost....

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    First off, please back up the statement that roadies hit 80-90mph. I weigh 200# and have big ringed my 37# mtb down mt lemmon highway and the fastest I could go was 34mph. How does one pick up another 56 mph. I call BS. All your argument proves about the deceased is that he did not have as much skill as u say is contained in most roadies. Furthermore, I am guessing you have never ridden a mx bike around a track? Assuming you made it around the track without killing yourself(at your own pace mind you), you would undoubtedly be "punched". You know not what you speak of...


    By the way, most pro dhers are armord with none of the Vagina pads you mentioned. Perhaos a Leatt and knee pads, but not much more. Don't assume that because the weekend warriors on somo wear them, that all dhers do. Again,.you know not what you speak of.
    That was me, and I just threw out a number. I'm probably off.

    Curious, why are we comparing road racers to MX or DHers. I don't think anybody ever said MXers or DHers are not _____ (Are we talking athletes, fit, fearless, etc? I've kind of lost track)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    a sport that is and can be very difficult.
    So is competitive hot dog eating... Maybe we can make it an olympic sport. They train. They have genetically gifted participant's(kobayashi). Since you seem to be hung up on watching/defending these kind of sports, this is for your information. It's on 4th of July on Coney Island. Enjoy

    http://nathansfamous.com/PageFetch/getpage.php?pgid=32

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    So is competitive hot dog eating... Maybe we can make it an olympic sport. They train. They have genetically gifted participant's(kobayashi). Since you seem to be hung up on watching/defending these kind of sports, this is for your information. It's on 4th of July on Coney Island. Enjoy

    http://nathansfamous.com/PageFetch/getpage.php?pgid=32
    I'd compare competitive eating to professional wrestling, which is similar to motocross and downhill mt biking.

    Oooohhh, this is fun.
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    Oh yay, another dirt vs. road thread.

    Dirt Dude: Roadies are leg shaving, pu$$y, pansy, fescargot mama's boys who don't have the balls to do what we do cause they're just to worried they'd get hurt and they don't have the mad man gnarcore skillz that I gots.

    Road Dude: So, have you tried it?

    Dirt Dude: No way man, it's too dangerous, cars are scary, I don't have a death wish!


    Riding a big squish bike downhill shows that you've developed mad skilz, surely some noob couldn't just jump on one of these 6"+ travel moosheens and make it down a trail alive, right?

    from Rick Gravesen on Vimeo.



    Having toed the line before at SSWCs with Weir, Decker and Schnell (and then watching them vanish in a trail of dust) I can say that none of them are any more (or less) superhuman looking then Lance was during his post-retirement comeback training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suvlako View Post
    So is competitive hot dog eating... Maybe we can make it an olympic sport. They train. They have genetically gifted participant's(kobayashi). Since you seem to be hung up on watching/defending these kind of sports, this is for your information. It's on 4th of July on Coney Island. Enjoy

    http://nathansfamous.com/PageFetch/getpage.php?pgid=32
    Only a dh would post that lame of a response .... Hold on give me a minute... I need to go get some baggies so I fit in
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    With that said... I'm outta here... to go do of all things.... some....dh at bootleg canyon
    Imagine that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Bart View Post
    Oh yay, another dirt vs. road thread.

    Dirt Dude: Roadies are leg shaving, pu$$y, pansy, fescargot mama's boys who don't have the balls to do what we do cause they're just to worried they'd get hurt and they don't have the mad man gnarcore skillz that I gots.

    Road Dude: So, have you tried it?

    Dirt Dude: No way man, it's too dangerous, cars are scary, I don't have a death wish!


    Riding a big squish bike downhill shows that you've developed mad skilz, surely some noob couldn't just jump on one of these 6"+ travel moosheens and make it down a trail alive, right?

    from Rick Gravesen on Vimeo.



    Having toed the line before at SSWCs with Weir, Decker and Schnell (and then watching them vanish in a trail of dust) I can say that none of them are any more (or less) superhuman looking then Lance was during his post-retirement comeback training.

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    Ride Bike. It's all good.
    AND posts My Dick as a retort? Dude, will you marry me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    AND posts My Dick as a retort? Dude, will you marry me?
    You buying the tickets to NY?

    Today has been totally unproductive, my mind took off for the 3 day weekend 2 days early.

    Anyone know how close that Big Lake fire got to the Cabin Loop area? Need to get out of this heat.

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    I thought "Lance" stated in the documentary Race across the Sky that the Tour de france was a warm up compared to the Leadville 100... I find it amazing he did as well as he did considering he didn't have a chance to sneak off for a transfusion or a lear jet ride during that event ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Bart View Post
    Oh yay, another dirt vs. road thread.

    Dirt Dude: Roadies are leg shaving, pu$$y, pansy, fescargot mama's boys who don't have the balls to do what we do cause they're just to worried they'd get hurt and they don't have the mad man gnarcore skillz that I gots.

    Road Dude: So, have you tried it?

    Dirt Dude: No way man, it's too dangerous, cars are scary, I don't have a death wish!


    Riding a big squish bike downhill shows that you've developed mad skilz, surely some noob couldn't just jump on one of these 6"+ travel moosheens and make it down a trail alive, right?

    from Rick Gravesen on Vimeo.



    Having toed the line before at SSWCs with Weir, Decker and Schnell (and then watching them vanish in a trail of dust) I can say that none of them are any more (or less) superhuman looking then Lance was during his post-retirement comeback training.

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    Ride Bike. It's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmarkos View Post
    Neg rep points for debating at an 8th grade level.
    Positive points for the chuckle.
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    Contra dope already lost 1:14 to Levi, Horner and the Schlecks in the first stage
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    I predict that Floyd Landis will win the tour
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    Contra dope already lost 1:14 to Levi, Horner and the Schlecks in the first stage
    Because of a crash caused by a fan that should have been farther back from the road.
    I AM JUST A JERK

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    My prediction is that Bob Roll will win the wine consumption stage by 3 bottles.

    Maybe Schleck will have his revenge against Contador for last
    years race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImaFred View Post
    I wish but I would say bridesmaid again
    Guess I should eat my words.... Farrar wins the first sprint of this years tour and is first American to ever win a stage on the 4th of July.
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    Ya, I was wrong too. I didn't think Andy and his team had the goods to put time on Contador in the TTT. I guess having over a minute advantage after the first day gives you boost! Major congrats to Farrar and USA!!!! This is starting out to be an exciting race.

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    Yeah, congrats USA! But negative rep points to Farrar for kissing his teammate full on the mouth after his stage victory (a slick move that only a select few on this forum can pull off effectively)...
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