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    New question here. Is Pima Canyon Trailhead still closed?

    City website says closed thru Fall 2017. Thanks.

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    Yes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiketodd View Post
    Yes....
    Thanks.

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    My office is at Baseline and 48th, across from Fry's Electronics and I'm typically back in by the Pima Canyon Trailhead a couple times a week. It's still closed but they are allowing access. The new ramadas look like they're done. I'd guess about another month. They were about a month behind to start with.
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    btw GROAZ will be doing trail maintenance on Javalina from 8am to 12pm-ish this Saturday. Feel free to join for any time you can contribute. Lots of spider lines being created on Javi with Pima lot being closed. We will be working with Ranger Brian from City of Phoenix South Mountain ranger office to help with sustainability.
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    I rode past last saturday. Still no paving done yet. I think they are wasting a lot of parking space With all the fancy curbed in planters, and sidewalks. Looks nice though!

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    Azdog,

    I went up the road yesterday and saw that the guys from Okanogan Trail Construction were doing some work in there yesterday. Any idea as to what they were doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scoottay View Post
    Azdog,

    I went up the road yesterday and saw that the guys from Okanogan Trail Construction were doing some work in there yesterday. Any idea as to what they were doing?
    Not sure but I can find out tomorrow from ranger Brian. Along with the Pima lot updates, trail configuration was part of the South Mountain master plan which went through several public meetings earlier this year and last year. Should be on the City of Phoenix Parks and Recs website.
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    Yesterday morning the Ranger said it was within the next couple of weeks (don't remember the exact date). Asphalt was supposed to start today.

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    Took these two on Friday.
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    Safety first!! Not really sure why there was a need for this, seems more like a hazard now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schillingsworth View Post
    Took these two on Friday.
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    Safety first!! Not really sure why there was a need for this, seems more like a hazard now.
    My thought as to why the railing was put there is that it's an area that is highly prone to people trailblazing through. When I first saw it, I wondered the same thing, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by schillingsworth View Post

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    Safety first!! Not really sure why there was a need for this, seems more like a hazard now.
    Time to dust off the BMX bike and grind some rails!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoottay View Post
    My thought as to why the railing was put there is that it's an area that is highly prone to people trailblazing through. When I first saw it, I wondered the same thing, however.
    I think that is the case. We talked to Ranger Brian and even he wasn't aware of that railing being put in. He just mentioned that some work was being done further up on the trails with Okanagan.
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    The ranger told me the other day the fence was being added to keep cars out of the desert/golf course area. Right now it doesn't go far enough east to do this so either the ranger was wrong or it will be extended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiketodd View Post
    The ranger told me the other day the fence was being added to keep cars out of the desert/golf course area. Right now it doesn't go far enough east to do this so either the ranger was wrong or it will be extended.
    That's a load of BS, no way to get a car down to where they put up the fence.. unless they plan to move all the boulders that are currently alongside the road, which would be a stupid move!

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    That is what I said "unless the fence is extended east" which I was trying to say unless the fence is extended east to 48th street it isn't going to help with cars.

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    I've been riding this area since the mid-90's, never heard of cars going for a desert/golf course joy ride or any trailblazing on that section. Just seems totally unnecessary. As mentioned, those boulders have seemed to do the trick over the years.
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    Is Pima Canyon Trailhead still closed?-20171212_130423.jpg

    I went out for a while at lunch. Looks like they've started the process of chipping up the (very) old asphalt.
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    Here's a link for the construction schedule and progress. My guess as far as the railing is concerned is that since this is a long term remodel, they're looking at maintaining the existing tread and keeping it from eroding further toward the wash. I'm betting there will be some trail rework in that area to bolster the edges.


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    I went through PMP near the North Mtn Trail head and saw a similar railing there. However that was in wide flat part of of trail. It acted as divider between what was trail and what "out of bounds". This monstrosity is different since is rather narrow there and when riding you have to be close to the fence. Not to say it will be an issue for a skilled rider, but combine hiker traffic and less skilled riders and somebody will hit that railing with handlebars and have nasty crash. Face plant into the railing I think.

    The big rocks worked so much better to keep cars out of there plus looked more natural.
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    Yep, unless they widen the trail to the south, that handrail will positively be a source of hiker biker conflict. I stopped using the trail and went back to riding in on the road after nearly hooking a hikers elbow, and having children dart out in front of me. And then there is the close proximity to dogs right there. Also, that new parking lot is still WAY TOO SMALL!
    Will there still be parking along Pima canyon road?

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    I rode from the top of the south trail to the bottom yesterday and have to agree with JoePAz and BIGHORN....

    I was thinking I'm almost hitting the fence and I'm the only person on the trail. The fence is not straight so if your not watching closely it can grab those bars.

    I looks like they should finish this week with the old road removal from the progress they made yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schillingsworth View Post
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    Overview of the parking lot.
    It's sad that this new parking lot is too small for 10 years ago...

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    Yesterday it looked like the road bed and parking lot are either ready to pave or very close to ready.

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    The original design had quite a few more parking spots but it got revised....
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    It's sad that this new parking lot is too small for 10 years ago...
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    Pavement went in earlier this week. Looks like they are trying to get it opened up ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    It's sad that this new parking lot is too small for 10 years ago...
    The original design had quite a few more parking spots but it got revised....
    I think I saw one of the originals as well and it was too small as well. They could go twice as big as what they have now and would be getting warm. I know they gotta draw a line somewhere but they plan as well as the state plans freeways...

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    More spots just means more traffic...
    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    I think I saw one of the originals as well and it was too small as well. They could go twice as big as what they have now and would be getting warm. I know they gotta draw a line somewhere but they plan as well as the state plans freeways...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    More spots just means more traffic...
    That is a possible downside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike View Post
    That is a possible downside...
    Unless they charge and pay the rangers what they should be making for the crap they have to deal with.
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    Talked to a park manager fella at 46th lot on Sun and he said it'll be open after the annual National trail run event. Said they thought about opening for that but would have to close for another week or two after to tie up some loose ends. Thought opening and then closing again would piss off more people who are already pissed off. So according to him it would be mid-ish to late January.

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    I hope they plan on putting the rest of the || parking spots down the road or that lot will always be full.

    Did you ask them about that?

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    Here's the planned design, has the same road parking as before construction(one side only). Haven't heard of any changes to that part of the design...
    https://www.phoenix.gov/parkssite/Do...0-%20Flyer.pdf
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    I hope they plan on putting the rest of the || parking spots down the road or that lot will always be full.

    Did you ask them about that?
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    There are now signs up, grand opening is on JAN/20. There are painted spots all the way to the entrance like it was before, and the road looks wider. Rode by it yesterday. Be ready for crowded trails again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cramey View Post
    There are now signs up, grand opening is on JAN/20. There are painted spots all the way to the entrance like it was before, and the road looks wider. Rode by it yesterday. Be ready for crowded trails again.
    They never uncrowded except for the Pima road and all that traffic just moved to Javelina.

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    Not shocked that they renovated a trailhead and made next to no difference in ability to meet actual demand. Echo Canyon was shut down for how long to remodel? Still packed to the gills if the weather is anything but 120 degrees.

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