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    Petition for Park Ranger Authority

    Seems like the Phoenix Police in their ever so infinite wisdom has stripped the Phoenix Park Rangers of thier authority. Now whether you believe they should have had it in the first place due to lack of training etc., they do need it and if they need training to do so so be it. However- to not allow them to enforce the rules of the park is ridiculous.

    I for one am sick and tired of watching drug deals go down in the trail head parking lots and perverts smoking pole in the bushes. Not to mention vandals- some areas of Trail 100 and surrounding have been hit. It used to be I carried a rangers number in my phone to call when suspicious activity was present. Who do I call now? The overworked city police who may not ever come by? Who would have no idea when I described "the Water Tank" on Desert Classic.

    The MBAA website has an electronic petition started. Please check it out, read it and if you agree- sign it. Take time to put in a comment if you can. Thanks!
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    I have heard about this petition, but didn't know much more than that. Thanks for posting the link for those of us who are just barely inside the loop of info.

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    Your link was a little off. This one goes directly to the pettition http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/...k-rangers.html
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    Not True

    Cory,

    Per the Deputy Director of the Parks and Recreation Department, this is not true. No authority is being taken away from the Rangers. She is in charge of the Rangers and would know.

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    Is Jacque Vandermate somehow related to Art Vandelay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    Seems like the Phoenix Police in their ever so infinite wisdom has stripped the Phoenix Park Rangers of thier authority. Now whether you believe they should have had it in the first place due to lack of training etc., they do need it and if they need training to do so so be it. However- to not allow them to enforce the rules of the park is ridiculous.

    I for one am sick and tired of watching drug deals go down in the trail head parking lots and perverts smoking pole in the bushes. Not to mention vandals- some areas of Trail 100 and surrounding have been hit. It used to be I carried a rangers number in my phone to call when suspicious activity was present. Who do I call now? The overworked city police who may not ever come by? Who would have no idea when I described "the Water Tank" on Desert Classic.

    The MBAA website has an electronic petition started. Please check it out, read it and if you agree- sign it. Take time to put in a comment if you can. Thanks!
    http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/mcdowell/Maps.aspx <<
    Wow, how many drug dealers and pole smokers have you seen on the trail? Are you going to be OK?
    Sounds like you need to stop looking in the bushes.

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    I want to set the record straight!!! It is true, Phoenix Park Rangers are not having their "authority" taken away. In fact the Rangers have been given additional PCC's to enforce.

    But they are asked to do this without their tools!

    FACT-

    They have already had their handcuffs taken away!
    The Rangers no longer have the ability to make a citizens arrest! Yes, the men and women who wear a uniform and badge and risk their lives now have less "rights" than the average citizen!

    Next- It was recommended that the Rangers be stripped of their defensive tools. The batons and OC spray. Same with red and blue lights on the vehicles! Finally, the plan is to remove the badges/patches off the uniforms!

    This is being done to make Rangers "safer"?

    Who is the responsible party? The Deputy Director! She would know! She is "in charge of the Rangers".

    For some Rangers, the changes are a secondary concern. With the budget crisis and layoffs taking place, the Ranger program may see a reduction in force of approximately 9-15 Rangers. Now how is that "Better and Safer"?

    Just take a look at the AZ Central article regarding the changes to the Ranger program. Ask where the money that was allocated to the Parks and recreation department went.

    You may or may not agree with all the changes, and that is fine. We are all free, and have opinions. But look into this carefully! If you are not outraged, then you aren't paying attention!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmarkos
    Wow, how many drug dealers and pole smokers have you seen on the trail? Are you going to be OK?
    Sounds like you need to stop looking in the bushes.
    Look jerko- they are out there and use our parks for thier playground. Ever hear of Sodomy Gulch? Or the story (which I did not talk about earlier since I cannot find the link on AZcentral) of the 8 year old who was abducted and molested at Papago Park near the ponds in broad daylight circa 1997? With his parents on an outing in a PUBLIC park? When I ride through a horse tunnel and 7 guys are lurking and I see one stark naked in a tunnel- do I want to take my kids there? So shut the f up dude. you come across as someone who is ignorant or doesn't really ride that much. The pervies can commit sex acts or use and sell drugs in their home- not where I pay to be with my tax dollars.

    In case anyone is wondering- this is not a "gay" thing. Gay people do not hang out in bushes to suck married mens penis- at least the many gay guys and gals I know do not.

    Oh and sorry for the bad link- guess my clipboard got shuffled! Thanks for putting up the proper one!
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    In case anyone is wondering- this is not a "gay" thing. Gay people do not hang out in bushes to suck married mens penis- at least the many gay guys and gals I know do not.

    Brilliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    A slight contradiction. Isn't that the generally agreed upon function of Sodomy Gulch @ Dreamy Draw?
    Gay people meet other gay people mcuh like straight people do. My friends in the local PD who have made contact with some of the Sodomy guys have described them as mostly middle to upper class, alcoholic, married and have children. Gay or straight though- that type of perversion (I am not a prude- there is a time and place for everything) is not what public parks are for.
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    Sodomy isn't pee pee to mouth. It's pee pee to bunger, but that is besides the point.

    But seriously the Rangers do need to skills & support to keep order be it stopping the romping in the bushes, prostitutes or drug dealers. Except for teenagers. I think they should be allowed to get it on in the park. It's tradition.
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    As a retired professional law enforcement officer this one does intrigue me. I am curious about the training given to the Rangers and why they would have been given arrest authority in the first place. Not being critical, just wondering, based on my knowledge of most basic standards of training required for arrest authority.

    Also, while I understand this is an emotional issue with some of you who post here, I can tell you when you result to name calling and telling others to screw off, you lose credibility with those reading your position on the subject. I suggest before you post you may want to slow down, take a few breaths of fresh (rainy) air, and then read and edit your post before hitting the enter button.

    The gay activity in Dreamy Draw, is disgusting, at best and is certainly criminal and should be addressed whenever possible. In my opinion, if a guy is involved in gay activity, he is gay, married or not, children or not, period. In fact, those who are openly gay have my respect, more so than those who hide behind marriage and participate in gay activity.

    So, does anyone in this thread have answers regarding training for rangers, and he need for arrest authority?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    Again, you speak in big contradicting & sweeping generalities.
    You ask:


    You say:

    And then in a subsequent post, state the following (regarding the inside info you have on the demographics of sodomy gulch visitors):


    So, really the only thing we have to learn from you in this uber-informative post is that you really have no idea what the gay guys and gals you know may or may not be doing in a place we may or may not have heard of. And, those activities could involve the sucking of a married man's penis by a member of the same sex. That, and that you have horrid grammar & not-so good spelling, and should probably give it a rest tonight before this gets really out of control.
    One who begins sentences with conjunctions, and, ends them with prepositions, should not attempt grammar lessons. Your posts are filled with poor grammar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    Again, you speak in big contradicting & sweeping generalities.
    You ask:


    You say:

    And then in a subsequent post, state the following (regarding the inside info you have on the demographics of sodomy gulch visitors):


    So, really the only thing we have to learn from you in this uber-informative post is that you really have no idea what the gay guys and gals you know may or may not be doing in a place we may or may not have heard of. And, those activities could involve the sucking of a married man's penis by a member of the same sex.
    Oh man, that just made me LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyBoyR6
    Sodomy isn't pee pee to mouth. It's pee pee to bunger, but that is besides the point.

    But seriously the Rangers do need to skills & support to keep order be it stopping the romping in the bushes, prostitutes or drug dealers. Except for teenagers. I think they should be allowed to get it on in the park. It's tradition.


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    This thread went downhill fast.





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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    Oh and sorry for the bad link- guess my clipboard got shuffled!
    We didn't appreciate the gay porn link. Maybe a little warning next time.

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    Salty Dog, the rangers are civilian parks employees who wear uniforms that look like Maricopa County Sheriff Deputies, drive "marked" vehicles with red and blue lights and can issue ATTC's for some city codes, and write parking tickets.

    The rangers have citizen arrest powers, just like any one else walking the street. If they find out a person they are writing a ticket to has a warrant, they are instructed to contact Phoenix PD, who takes over the incident when they arrive.

    The rangers go through several weeks of training on the variety of duties they are responsible for each shift. Duties include things like trail work, teaching programs, basic maintenance and law enforcement functions. People have heard the term, "jack of all trades, master of none" this describes the duties of the rangers, not the rangers themselves.

    Honestly, signing this petition is like pissing in the wind. Their authority is not being taken away, just some of the tools they used to do it in the past. What you will see is less and less contacts made by rangers, as they deal with some very sketchy people and no longer feel safe making the contacts. I know this as I am good friends with a few rangers.

    Hope this clears things up a bit.

    Also, has anyone thought about the fact that Dreamy Draw and Papago have attracted this type of activity for the past 15-20 years? If this truly about "authority" don't you think the problem would have been taken care of long ago? I think what you have are upper management people turning a blind eye to this situation as they don't want to deal with it. This trickels down to the front line ranger staff.

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    Also,

    Look at Mountain Man Tanks post, he seems to have the new info, what I described is how it was up until a few months ago. Pretty good compare/contrast to what was and what is now the way they operate.

    These rangers do a good job for us, it is just getting harder for them to do the job it seems like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C.J.
    One who begins sentences with conjunctions, and, ends them with prepositions, should not attempt grammar lessons. Your posts are filled with poor grammar.

    Have a nice day!!!
    There is a persistent belief that it is improper to begin a sentence with a conjunction or to end one with a preposition, but these prohibitions have been cheerfully ignored by standard authors from Anglo-Saxon times onwards. Using conjunctions and prepositions like this can be quite useful aids to writers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    Look jerko
    You seem to have a problem using the word jerk. As a jerk lawyer, I think calling others jerk or jerko on internet forums is a much larger problem that pipe smoking in the bushes.

    PS: I am not gay, but I think that Ben Affleck is smoking hot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .downhillfaster.
    Why don't you take some more cute critter pics for us, we'll be right here waiting.
    i like the cute critter pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    And, even though I am a a jerk lawyer, I know what I am talking about and to whom I am talking.
    Fixed yer grammar, sport.



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    You state that standard authors have cheerfully ignored 'these prohibitions'. If some authors choose to ignore grammar usage laws, they are still in violation of said law. Ignorance of the (grammar usage) law, or willful disregard of the grammar usage law does not negate the law. Grammar usage by another was deemed poor enough for the "Super guy" to take exception, now, it doesn't matter.

    Have a nice day!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    There is a persistent belief that it is improper to begin a sentence with a conjunction or to end one with a preposition, but these prohibitions have been cheerfully ignored by standard authors from Anglo-Saxon times onwards. Using conjunctions and prepositions like this can be quite useful aids to writers.

    And, even though I am a a jerk lawyer, I know what I am talking about and who I am talking to.
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    And, even though I am a a jerk lawyer, I know what I am talking about and to whom I am talking.

    Fixed yer grammar, sport.


    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Fixed yer grammar, sport.



    p.
    Actually, it should be:

    Even though I am a jerk lawyer, I know about that which I speak and to whom I am speaking.


    LOL


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