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    Perfect Day for Adopt'a'Trail Workers to Do Badly Needed Trail Maintenance

    We went out today and finished up the famous Nodfest ride. While bombing down some of our fun Sedona trails I couldn't help but think how some trails hold up better than other trails. Certainly today would have been a great day to do maintenance if you had permission from the landmanager to do needed maintenance.

    After big rain periods the trails shows you where fast moving water is eroding the trail, so it is a great time to install a new water diverter or out slope the trail. Also it's a good time to do maintenance on jumps like NRA has where the faces and trannys have experience heavy wear due constant use.

    The problem we have in Sedona is that there is a two day waiting period between the asking for permission to do work on your adopted trail and actually being able to work on it. That means if you wanted to work on the lips of the Pig Tail jump trail today due to the excellent moisture conditions you couldn't start the work until Wednesday.

    Hopefully the FS will be able to speed up the paperwork process in the future and it would be interesting if other MTBR viewers have found a solution to this frustrating problem.

    It would be interesting if any badly needed trail maintenance was accomplished in Gold Canyon today and how those Adopt'a'Trail workers were able to respond so quickly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    Hopefully the FS will be able to speed up the paperwork process in the future and it would be interesting if other MTBR viewers have found a solution to this frustrating problem.


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    Why not plan ahead? It's not like rain just occurs without you knowing about it around here.If you had applied for permission on Wed of last week you would have had it granted by Friday and could have performed trail maintenance on Sunday after the storm passed.

    It's really not that difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    We went out today and finished up the famous Nodfest ride. While bombing down some of our fun Sedona trails I couldn't help but think how some trails hold up better than other trails. Certainly today would have been a great day to do maintenance if you had permission from the landmanager to do needed maintenance.

    After big rain periods the trails shows you where fast moving water is eroding the trail, so it is a great time to install a new water diverter or out slope the trail. Also it's a good time to do maintenance on jumps like NRA has where the faces and trannys have experience heavy wear due constant use.

    The problem we have in Sedona is that there is a two day waiting period between the asking for permission to do work on your adopted trail and actually being able to work on it. That means if you wanted to work on the lips of the Pig Tail jump trail today due to the excellent moisture conditions you couldn't start the work until Wednesday.

    Hopefully the FS will be able to speed up the paperwork process in the future and it would be interesting if other MTBR viewers have found a solution to this frustrating problem.

    It would be interesting if any badly needed trail maintenance was accomplished in Gold Canyon today and how those Adopt'a'Trail workers were able to respond so quickly?

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    ever given any thought to using senior chain-gangs for trailwork? i mean,, it would keep them off the roads

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    John,

    How do you know this is a 'problem' and 'frustrating' since you are not a member of the program?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Why not plan ahead? It's not like rain just occurs without you knowing about it around here.If you had applied for permission on Wed of last week you would have had it granted by Friday and could have performed trail maintenance on Sunday after the storm passed.

    It's really not that difficult.
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    You obviously don't have a clue about how efficient trail maintenance works. You go out and ride a trail you have adopted and you have a couple of your friends with you. While you are riding the jumps you realize several need some work on the lips, faces or trannys. You have tools stashed at the site. You say to your friends would you mind helping me fix this jump to improve the riding experience. They say sure I don't mind spending an hour making the jump better.

    You the Adopt'a'Trail trail boss get out your phone and you text and phone Adrian's voice mail and let her know you are out with two people and are going to fix a jump on Pigtail. The text verifys the time you sent the voice mail and the voice mail give all the info about who is doing the work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinwp View Post
    John,

    How do you know this is a 'problem' and 'frustrating' since you are not a member of the program?
    Justin:

    Thanks for you input. Since I can only speak from personal experience on trying to help with those imbedded rock projects you did on the Grand Central and the Coyote trail and not being able to get Angie to get the paperwork done so I could do those projects you ended up doing. That was very frustrating to me personally. I had the tools stashed out there to do the work, but couldn't get the approvals.

    These are the pictures of the projects I was going to work on but you and CREC ended up doing the work since Angie wasn't able to get the approvals done in a timely manner.
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    ^^^
    And this is a serious question. What is wrong with those trails in those pictures? Looks very rideable to me, just looks like a wet trail. I've helped build and maintain a trail or 2 in my day, but will fully admit that I just do the labor, while the other people delegate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tysonnemb View Post
    ^^^
    And this is a serious question. What is wrong with those trails in those pictures? Looks very rideable to me, just looks like a wet trail. I've helped build and maintain a trail or 2 in my day, but will fully admit that I just do the labor, while the other people delegate.
    Tyson:

    Where does it look like the riders are going in he first picture? How are the first and second pictures different than the next five pictures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    Tyson:

    Where does it look like the riders are going in he first picture? How are the first and second pictures different than the next five pictures?
    What are grammar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    Tyson:

    Where does it look like the riders are going in he first picture? How are the first and second pictures different than the next five pictures?
    Why do riders have to have a destination? Why can't they just go wherever the wind takes them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Why do riders have to have a destination? Why can't they just go wherever the wind takes them?
    This time of year, the wind takes us to Skinny Tire's house for hot chocolate or Hot Toddies depending on your flavor of choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    This time of year, the wind takes us to Skinny Tire's house for hot chocolate or Hot Toddies depending on your flavor of choice.
    Actually, it's hot water since I need to drop 15 lbs by Feb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    This time of year, the wind takes us to Skinny Tire's house for hot chocolate or Hot Toddies depending on your flavor of choice.
    ... as long as skinny tire's heat is turned on. if there's no heat then no way i'm going there for toddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Actually, it's hot water since I need to drop 15 lbs by Feb.
    The rest of us are not pro racers! So Hot Chocolate and Hot Toddies for us. You also need to do a better job on the Christmas Tree. Looks a little weak this year.

    Come on you know ST, he goes straight from A/C to Heat just to have something to talk about. If not we can burn some firewood in his front yard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycle64 View Post
    The rest of us are not pro racers! So Hot Chocolate and Hot Toddies for us. You also need to do a better job on the Christmas Tree. Looks a little weak this year.

    Come on you know ST, he goes straight from A/C to Heat just to have something to talk about. If not we can burn some firewood in his front yard.
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    I would appreciate it if CO and C64 would stay off this thread. This is an important subject that needs to be discussed before the next Sedona RTCA meeting.

    I can never get a straight answer from Justin when he chimes into the discussion so maybe other trail bosses from other areas can respond and tell us if they have the same waiting period when they go in and do necessary maintenance for the FS on trails they have adopted in the Adopt'a'Trail program.

    It just seems like when you are out on a trail where there is a blockage in the trail, if you are the trail boss on that trail you shouldn't have to wait 2 days to fix the trail. Maybe that is the reason the FS won't let me do the work on Anaconda because I would want to keep the trail in great shape and that is not what they want to see happen because it would mean Justin would have to work on trails like Bell Rock Pathway and Deadman's Pass.

    I am curious when Justin thinks the Anaconda re-route will be done around the ruin site and when the trail will be officially adopted? I am also curious what sustainability issues are present on the trail and when those will be addressed. The hydrologist I walked the trail with 3 years ago didn't think there were many issues and it will be interesting what Justin comes up with that Doug didn't notice.

    The reason why I keep coming back to Anaconda is that it is an intermediate trail with very few if any Sedona advanced skill surprises. I think it will be a great addition to the Dry Creek area trail system. It provides a nice way to get from the Dry Creek trails back to the new Vultee Arch/Chuck Wagon trail head. I also works as a connector that makes for several different loop opportunities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Come on, you know if I have to suffer, you all have to suffer.
    Fine, make my Hot Chocolate sugar free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I would appreciate it if CO and C64 would stay off this thread. This is an important subject that needs to be discussed before the next Sedona RTCA meeting.

    I can never get a straight answer from Justin when he chimes into the discussion so maybe other trail bosses from other areas can respond and tell us if they have the same waiting period when they go in and do necessary maintenance for the FS.

    It just seems like when you are out on a trail where there is a blockage in the trail, if you are the trail boss on that trail you shouldn't have to wait 2 days to fix the trail. Maybe that is the reason the FS won't let me do the work on Anaconda because I would want to keep the trail in great shape and that is not what they want to see happen because it would mean Justin would have to work on trails like Bell Rock Pathway and Deadman's Pass.
    Is this not the same type content as in dozens of your other posts? Besides I'm just trying to bring Sugar Free Hot Chocolate and Hot Toddies to the Masses. Your threads are so interesting, it's the best place to insert my commentary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I would appreciate it if CO and C64 would stay off this thread. This is an important subject that needs to be discussed before the next Sedona RTCA meeting.

    I can never get a straight answer from Justin when he chimes into the discussion so maybe other trail bosses from other areas can respond and tell us if they have the same waiting period when they go in and do necessary maintenance for the FS.

    It just seems like when you are out on a trail where there is a blockage in the trail, if you are the trail boss on that trail you shouldn't have to wait 2 days to fix the trail. Maybe that is the reason the FS won't let me do the work on Anaconda because I would want to keep the trail in great shape and that is not what they want to see happen because it would mean Justin would have to work on trails like Bell Rock Pathway and Deadman's Pass.
    And MTBR's AZ forum is the best place for this discussion? Why anybody would try and have a civil debate with you on this forum is beyond me. You're incapable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Come on, you know if I have to suffer, you all have to suffer.
    Just so you don;t mix up and get the wrong brand.

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    Doc, I've been monitoring those sections as well. These are pics of the main crossing in Crucifixion Wash after one of the larger monsoon thunderstorm events last summer. Same as your first two pics.

    I believe these structures had more to do with the FS hydrologists concern with enhanced siltation in a tributary to Oak Creek than permits or paperwork issues. Either way, I'm not sure exactly what function they perform. The first doesn't encourage the rider to use it rather than just bypassing it and the other is rather difficult to climb and most folks just dismount and HAB to get to the trail on the other side.

    I get the general idea but they seem overly built. I wonder if the folks in the field had any choice in the matter?
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    Holy F*ckballs! I remembered my MTBR Password...it's been so long, I had almost forgotten it. But once I saw hot cocoa and hot toddies on the line, I HAD to sign in and give my thumbs up for that. Don't forget to add the mini marshmallows...but not the fugly pastel-ie colored ones. They suck...

    I think we definitely should have a night ride up in DD and meet back at ST's place for front yard fires, hot cocoa, toddies and discussing important matters unrelated to Sedona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Doc, I've been monitoring those sections as well. These are pics of the main crossing in Crucifixion Wash after one of the larger monsoon thunderstorm events last summer. Same as your first two pics.

    I believe these structures had more to do with the FS hydrologists concern with enhanced siltation in a tributary to Oak Creek than permits or paperwork issues. Either way, I'm not sure exactly what function they perform. The first doesn't encourage the rider to use it rather than just bypassing it and the other is rather difficult to climb and most folks just dismount and HAB to get to the trail on the other side.

    I get the general idea but they seem overly built. I wonder if the folks in the field had any choice in the matter?
    rockman:

    Thanks for your prior pictures. I will be taking picures of that crossing for years to come to try and document how those type of crossing work out over the long run compared to what Justin did in the other pictures. It would be interesting to get his professional insight as to thought process that went into those crossings and whether they are working according to the original goal.

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    Help me understand your goal.

    You started a thread topic about a issue with a program( that you yourself are not a part of) that may not even exist. Further more you request solutions or ideas to said problem, in a manner that would suggest that you are leading others to believe that this so-called "work authorization period" is the problem and should be reduced to a text msg or phone call.

    Stop trying to create a problem just so you can some how show to anyone, that you have something to contribute.

    From what I personally understand from the Sedona locals and have concluded myself is this.

    Although you may have a really deep desire to be a productive member of the Sedona MTB community, your efforts have forced the FS to be much more regulated and watchful over the land they manage. So no matter how much you post on this forum, email the FS, or force your opinion on others at meetings, I highly doubt your efforts at this time are even being noticed by anyone at the FS. I might even go as far to say that the FS wouldn't trust you with any level of help from you.

    I have personally heard that you have been given an inch and you took a mile from the FS on more than one occasion when it comes to volunteer work on FS land.

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    TD, we have a complete trail network map marked with way points needing attention and the LM allow us to work as we choose and report back via email with pics of the work. For a major change (new trail section for example) they come and inspect the flagging, check our updates and then return when we finish the entire job. This way we (and the rangers) are not wasting time on repetition. Also allows us to change location if the weather is a factor - like you said, until you see what water is doing and how your work changes it, you cannot really know what's right. Working in the rain is a matter of necessity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
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    I have personally heard that you have been given an inch and you took a mile from the FS on more than one occasion when it comes to volunteer work on FS land.
    Shine:

    Could you be more specific about your last sentence. Sounds like BS to me. Why did your buddy Jeff buy me dinner? I think Cakewalk and I showed him a good time in Sedona while he was here and buying me dinner seemed like a good way thank me for showing him some fun trails to ride. I certainly didn't expect him to buy me dinner, but I certainly appreciated it.

    That's what it is all about R&S. Riding the trails and taking good care of them has always been my goal.

    Guys like you like to ride the trails, but what are you doing to take care of them? Have you signed up to Adopt'a'Trail yet or are you sitting back expecting others to do all the work? I will buy you the same dinner that Jeff bought me if you sign up or are already signed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by su.ling~ View Post
    Holy F*ckballs! I remembered my MTBR Password...it's been so long, I had almost forgotten it. But once I saw hot cocoa and hot toddies on the line, I HAD to sign in and give my thumbs up for that. Don't forget to add the mini marshmallows...but not the fugly pastel-ie colored ones. They suck...

    I think we definitely should have a night ride up in DD and meet back at ST's place for front yard fires, hot cocoa, toddies and discussing important matters unrelated to Sedona.
    ST, You do have a hot tub, don't you???
    I agree, we need to get a confirmation from CO/ST on available days he can put on this event.
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    I'm curios how close his brother in law is to finding that cure for his mental illness.

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    My last sentence is not BS and you fn know it. Several people have informed me that when you were given permission to be a volunteer, you took it upon yourself to do whatever you felt needed to be done, without informing the FS first. Don't start your BS with me cause you know I'm not going to put up with it!!

    As for your Fn lame atempt to make me feel guilty or to make me look bad by asking what have I done for the local trail system. As I recall I do remember doing some trail work with you so I don't understand why you would say such things.

    If you don't like me calling you on your narcissistic trail agenda then simply stop dropping your BS lures into the MTBR forum pool.

    You ask if I am going to adopt a trail, damn well knowing I'm recovering from injury!!! You are truely a narcissistic ass and you prove it a lot!

    My friend Jeff bought you a meal and you wonder why? It's really quite simple TD, I have good people for friends, which is something I gather is rare to you from your inability to understand random acts of kindness. Cakewalk was also showed appreciation from my friend for taking him on some nice rides. Because of my injury I was not able to ride with him this visit, so I had him hook up with the MBH's Sunday shop ride.

    You are right about one thing you said "it's all about riding", not all about trail work and volunteering. Personally you have turned me against your efforts (and you know exactly why so it does not need to be mentioned) so I have no reason to communicate my intentions with you, they will be brought to the appropriate FS land manager when I want to. I find the way you communicate your desires and ideas very abrasive and counter productive and I am not the only one who feels this way.

    FYI TD choose your thread topics carefully, I have a whole bunch of time on my hands and I will call you on any of your BS.

    This thread was the first one I read from you that was an obvious effort to create a problem (that only exists if you have no common sense) in order to use said problem to change FS land manager policy or requirements to what YOU feel they should be.

    This thread topic is BS that is why I don't mind pointing it out!

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    One quick question.

    Knowing how new to the sport I am and asking me if I am going to adopt a trail, makes me wonder....Have you posed the same question to the likes of say, Johnny, Rama, Danger Dave, little Debbie, Cat or any other locals with the same condesending tone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
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    My last sentence is not BS and you fn know it. Several people have informed me that when you were given permission to be a volunteer, you took it upon yourself to do whatever you felt needed to be done, without informing the FS first. Don't start your BS with me cause you know I'm not going to put up with it!!

    As for your Fn lame atempt to make me feel guilty or to make me look bad by asking what have I done for the local trail system. As I recall I do remember doing some trail work with you so I don't understand why you would say such things.

    If you don't like me calling you on your narcissistic trail agenda then simply stop dropping your BS lures into the MTBR forum pool.

    You ask if I am going to adopt a trail, damn well knowing I'm recovering from injury!!! You are truely a narcissistic ass and you prove it a lot!

    My friend Jeff bought you a meal and you wonder why? It's really quite simple TD, I have good people for friends, which is something I gather is rare to you from your inability to understand random acts of kindness. Cakewalk was also showed appreciation from my friend for taking him on some nice rides. Because of my injury I was not able to ride with him this visit, so I had him hook up with the MBH's Sunday shop ride.

    You are right about one thing you said "it's all about riding", not all about trail work and volunteering. Personally you have turned me against your efforts (and you know exactly why so it does not need to be mentioned) so I have no reason to communicate my intentions with you, they will be brought to the appropriate FS land manager when I want to. I find the way you communicate your desires and ideas very abrasive and counter productive and I am not the only one who feels this way.

    FYI TD choose your thread topics carefully, I have a whole bunch of time on my hands and I will call you on any of your BS.

    This thread was the first one I read from you that was an obvious effort to create a problem (that only exists if you have no common sense) in order to use said problem to change FS land manager policy or requirements to what YOU feel they should be.

    This thread topic is BS that is why I don't mind pointing it out!
    Shine:

    Your answer is like our politicians. I need specifics, not a bunch of mumbo jumbo
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    Hey, since we all know that TD is incapable of debate and will only divert questions like the politicians he mentions lets stay on topic.

    Does any one have a good eggnog recipe? I tried making it once and it was a disaster. I think it might have been my bad technique. I might have put the eggs in too quick?

    Also brandy or bourbon?

    Help me improve my winter break user experience for the 70% of my friends that enjoy nog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Hey, since we all know that TD is incapable of debate and will only divert questions like the politicians he mentions lets stay on topic.

    Does any one have a good eggnog recipe? I tried making it once and it was a disaster. I think it might have been my bad technique. I might have put the eggs in too quick?

    Also brandy or bourbon?

    Help me improve my winter break user experience for the 70% of my friends that enjoy nog!
    brandy or bourbon both work, but unlike a lot of mixed drinks where you can use cheap liquor, 'nog does not mask the harshness of a cheaper bottle. Chollaball sez save money with store bought nog and put it into a better liquor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Hey, since we all know that TD is incapable of debate and will only divert questions like the politicians he mentions lets stay on topic.

    Does any one have a good eggnog recipe? I tried making it once and it was a disaster. I think it might have been my bad technique. I might have put the eggs in too quick?

    Also brandy or bourbon?

    Help me improve my winter break user experience for the 70% of my friends that enjoy nog!
    Now we're cooking with peanut oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
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    Your answer is like our politicians. I need specifics, not a bunch of mumbo jumbo
    What does having a broken ankle have to do with adopting a trail? You get your friends to do the work while you are healing. Start the ball rolling time is wasting.
    TD

    WTF is wrong with you? Do you even realize that how and when I volunteere my efforts is my business and will never be manipulated or controlled by you?

    As for a fact that you are obviously unaware of the majority of people I consider friends don't even participate in the sport of MTB, the one's that do have either contributed greatly to the sport or are currently participating. Another fact you are unaware of is I have never been through any training so even if I were so inclined I would have to wait till I have fully recovered before I can even get the training.

    Now what part of my previous posts would you like me to be more specific about? You obviously have shown a considerable interest in me, example; I never mentioned what kind of injury I'm recovering from. Your interest in me is creepy to say the least!

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    Try mixing in some Disorono then blend with ice, or mix straight up and warm.

    Either way will make the holiday season just a little brighter!

    Merry Christmas

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
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    Try mixing in some Disorono then blend with ice, or mix straight up and warm.

    Either way will make the holiday season just a little brighter!

    Merry Christmas
    Guys, he said for the 70%ers.

    77, here you go:
    Lay on back
    Open mouth
    Pour a 3/4th mouth full of Shamrock Eggnog
    Pour a 1/4th mouth full of the cheapters brandy you can find. Dekuyper works
    Dash of cinnamon
    Shake head violently
    Swallow

    You're good to go.
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

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    Thanks for the support CO, Shine, 64, and Mr. C. Ball. When you guys help me out with my efforts it puts a BIG smile on my face.

    The party is tonight at 8 and I will give the viewers a post nog report!

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    For a hot & tasty alternative to the holiday Nog, your friendly neighborhood Goat suggests the Tom & Jerry.

    Tom and Jerry Batter Recipe, How To Make Tom and Jerry Drinks, Holiday Drinks, Holiday Beverage, Christmas Tom and Jerry Drink

    I also agree with Chollaball. Life is too short to drink cheap booze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Guys, he said for the 70%ers.

    77, here you go:
    Lay on back
    Open mouth
    Pour a 3/4th mouth full of Shamrock Eggnog
    Pour a 1/4th mouth full of the cheapters brandy you can find. Dekuyper works
    Dash of cinnamon
    Shake head violently
    Swallow

    You're good to go.

    Works with Margaritas too

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuctionGoat View Post
    For a hot & tasty alternative to the holiday Nog, your friendly neighborhood Goat suggests the Tom & Jerry.

    Tom and Jerry Batter Recipe, How To Make Tom and Jerry Drinks, Holiday Drinks, Holiday Beverage, Christmas Tom and Jerry Drink

    I also agree with Chollaball. Life is too short to drink cheap booze.
    That just sounds f-ing delightful.

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    I really don't appreciate what you TD haters are doing to my very important thread. I go out with tourons from New York and Vancover BC to have a great ride on the Hogs and I come back to a bunch of Hot Chocolate and Egg Nog BS.

    Ride'n'Shine goes for a ride on his bike in his front yard and breaks his angle and he comes up with some BS about not being able to be a trail boss on one of the great Sedona trails.

    Ripnparadise is the only one that has posted that gets how the system should work. The only problem is he is from down under and the LM's in Sedona feel they have to do it differently. What a Stubborn Country! Thank you Ripnparadise for a short piece of sanity.

    Ride'n'Shine I think a good trail for you to Adopt would be the Chapel trail. You can park your car right next to the trail, so when you get a walking cast you can access the trail very quickly. Right now the water diverters are filled with small rocks blocking the drainage ditches causing fast moving water to run down the trail and cause accelerated erosion.

    I certainly would have cleared the rocks if I was given the OK to do so, but instead I have been asked by the head FS representative to email her about trail concerns, so that they can either send out a qualified rock remover or tell me to FO.

    No wonder our country is broke.

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    Anyone have a good pork rub sauce they like?

    Yo TD.. Do you thing the people from New York and BC would appreciate the fact you consider them tourons? Were they really that stoopid enough to cause you to think of them as moron tourist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Anyone have a good pork rub sauce they like?

    Yo TD.. Do you thing the people from New York and BC would appreciate the fact you consider them tourons? Were they really that stoopid enough to cause you to think of them as moron tourist?
    P:

    This is what I think:

    The next time you ride an outstanding trail be sure to realize the blood, sweat and tears that have gone into shaping the earth for your enjoyment. And if you come across a crew of diggers hard at work, show your appreciation by thanking them and offering a few minutes of your help. It may be as little as moving some wood or packing out some trash, but the deed will not go unnoticed.

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    I would HIGHLY suggest that you stop stalking me, I have seen you digging through my trash, and my neighbors are getting concerned. I have informed them that I am more than capable of defending myself and my family and now TD you are informed as well.

    I have no interest in being a trail boss, helping a trail boss, or even getting involved with anything about trail work. When I was introduced to MTB while living in Sedona, it was never mentioned I was required to do trail work and correct me if I am mistaken but it still is not required now.

    TD
    Your first mistake with Sedona was your trail map. That really pissed off the wrong people at the FS.

    Your second mistake with Sedona was admitting to the LEO you did unauthorized trail work.

    I can only imagine what your third mistake will be, probably pissing off the wrong local.

    This is Sedona not Moab, why are YOU pushing so hard to change it?

    Why don't you take your money and buy a few square miles of land, take a shovel and insert it in your rectum, then while walking backwards bend over repeatedly until till you tire, rest, eat, repeat. This way you can build all the trail you want to for the masses and the whole time you are working you can see what a masterpiece your butt has made!!

    Happy trails!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Anyone have a good pork rub sauce they like?

    Yo TD.. Do you thing the people from New York and BC would appreciate the fact you consider them tourons? Were they really that stoopid enough to cause you to think of them as moron tourist?
    PHIL

    I can assure you that is exactly how he refers to tourists (behind their backs) but not the tourists who suck up to him, and are willing to do trail work in exchange for showers, laundry, spa visits and what not. Though this is true I cannot confirm that it is still going on. When TD left for his trip, I moved my family out of his neighborhood and into another. My wife didn't feel comfortable living near such a person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    P:

    This is what I think:

    The next time you ride an outstanding trail be sure to realize the blood, sweat and tears that have gone into shaping the earth for your enjoyment. And if you come across a crew of diggers hard at work, show your appreciation by thanking them and offering a few minutes of your help. It may be as little as moving some wood or packing out some trash, but the deed will not go unnoticed.
    I'll await the answer to my question:

    Do you think the people from New York and BC would appreciate the fact you consider them tourons? Were they really that stoopid enough to cause you to think of them as moron tourist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RideNShine View Post
    PHIL

    I can assure you that is exactly how he refers to tourists (behind their backs) but not the tourists who suck up to him, and are willing to do trail work in exchange for showers, laundry, spa visits and what not. Though this is true I cannot confirm that it is still going on. When TD left for his trip, I moved my family out of his neighborhood and into another. My wife didn't feel comfortable living near such a person.
    I could not fathom having to put up with his obsessions in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc View Post
    I certainly would have cleared the rocks if I was given the OK to do so, but instead I have been asked by the head FS representative to email her about trail concerns, so that they can either send out a qualified rock remover or tell me to FO.

    TD
    What the hell is she thinking?
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

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