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    Pack recommendation please

    I currently own a newer Camelback HAWG and an older Camelback Lobo. The Lobo is too small and the Hawg is too big/heavy for my needs.

    I'm looking for a recommendation for a lighter pack. I need 100 ounces, but way less overall storage space than the Hawg has; lighter weight and a smaller footprint (backprint) are bonuses. Perfectly willing to experiment with other brands.

    I've read mag reviews and whatnot, but looking for some firsthand local experience. Thanks.

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    is the Lobo smaller than the Mule ?

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    The MULE is between the LOBO and HAWG in the lineup.

    Most popular model they make, I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    I currently own a newer Camelback HAWG and an older Camelback Lobo. The Lobo is too small and the Hawg is too big/heavy for my needs.

    I'm looking for a recommendation for a lighter pack. I need 100 ounces, but way less overall storage space than the Hawg has; lighter weight and a smaller footprint (backprint) are bonuses. Perfectly willing to experiment with other brands.

    I've read mag reviews and whatnot, but looking for some firsthand local experience. Thanks.
    I have a Dakine. It's a larger one, designed to carry armor, helmet, etc., so might be bigger than you're looking for. But in terms of comfort, I love it. Plus, the bladder as a detachable tube, so I can leave the tub in and remove must the bladder to fill.
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    The lobo is tiny; the pack itself is built around the 70 ounce bladder. I don't need a lot bells and whistles; just a reasonable amount of storage space for necessities and a big bladder. My Hawg isn't uncomfortable, but its enormous size does shift around alot on my back. I don't need a rain cover or helmet/pad/clothing storage.

    Put it this way, when we stop to session stuff, it's super-liberating to take the pack off and just ride obstacles without it.

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    Look into the Osprey Raptors.

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    osprey talon 22 - bigger than you say you want, but you absolutely do not feel it. super duper comfortable. I too have an older Hawg and a mule - I dont wear either anymore hardly, the talon is so insanely comfy. and if\when you do need space its awesome. I can fit a laptop, workclothes, lunch, bike lock and 100oz *OR* 4 liters of liquor. Lots of other people in AZ use them cause of the light feel and incredible versatility.

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    I went from a Hawg to a Osprey Raptor 10 to a Lobo, and now have a Blowfish.

    The Hawg was too big.

    The Osprey bite valve sucks, the rest was awesome, although not that much storage.

    The Lobo was too small

    The Blowfish is perfect. Small and light for its size, but will get bigger if I need it (after all there was a time when the Mule was needed).

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    I have a MULE you are welcome to try if you'd like .

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    Phil: Thanks. Think I may want to try a different brand. The Osprey sounds nice; what's the difference between the talon and raptor?

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    Deuter Race Air EXP. Holds 100 ounces and some gear. Very light and fits the back well.
    Extra bonus is the mesh back with a thin steel frame that lets the pack sit on your back like a hammock. You can actually feel the air flow through to your back. It's also expandable for a little more space. I went from C-back to this because of our summers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    Phil: Thanks. Think I may want to try a different brand. The Osprey sounds nice; what's the difference between the talon and raptor?
    the raptor and Talon look similar, with the raptor being advertised as MTB specific. dunno... the Talon does not come with a bladder, looks like the raptor does. what sold me on the Ospreys based on many others' comments was just how damn comfy they are, and I have never looked back. the talon, and likely their others, have a lot of really nice features too.

    http://www.ospreypacks.com

    The Talon was just under $100, but its 2 yrs going strong and I use it for every type of riding and times i need a daypack. i seriously do not feel my laptop when its in there, and i go an hour each way with it. again, might not be what you want, but a great product that feels much smaller. you are welcome to try it if we ever manage to ride together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    The lobo is tiny; the pack itself is built around the 70 ounce bladder. I don't need a lot bells and whistles; just a reasonable amount of storage space for necessities and a big bladder. My Hawg isn't uncomfortable, but its enormous size does shift around alot on my back. I don't need a rain cover or helmet/pad/clothing storage.

    Put it this way, when we stop to session stuff, it's super-liberating to take the pack off and just ride obstacles without it.
    I just got the Lobo and its the perfect size I think... Mine came with the 100oz blatter so it might be a newer one?
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    go for the new 2000oz camelbak KEGGER.

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    The Talon also comes in smaller sizes.

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    my 2 cents on packs: always buy a little bigger than you need and remmeber you don't have to pack them full. The few times you will need to use all the space, you won't be forced to strap stuff to the outside like a clumsy boy scout.

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    Osprey Raptor!!

    I have the Raptor 14 and really like it. I had a HAWG, and it moved around on my back too much. I can fit plenty of stuff for a long ride in the Raptor, and it stays in place much better, and feels lighter. It is easy to load the bladder, and easily carries armor and has a clever helmet carrier.



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    I have had a Blowfish for nearly 10 years and have not found a compelling reason to replace it.

    If I were, I would absolutely look hard at the Osprey stuff.

    I have a Hawg and it is way too big. I use it for hiking only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    I have a Dakine. It's a larger one, designed to carry armor, helmet, etc., so might be bigger than you're looking for. But in terms of comfort, I love it. Plus, the bladder as a detachable tube, so I can leave the tub in and remove must the bladder to fill.
    No matter what the pack, a larger volume pack is only going to weigh a few oz heavier (fabric, etc), very insignificant. I'd rather be able put another bladder in there or whatever else I need when it's necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelsdown2002
    I have the Raptor 14 and really like it. I had a HAWG, and it moved around on my back too much. I can fit plenty of stuff for a long ride in the Raptor, and it stays in place much better, and feels lighter. It is easy to load the bladder, and easily carries armor and has a clever helmet carrier.


    Why do you have 3 pics at the ready of your back ?

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    I currently own a newer Camelback HAWG and an older Camelback Lobo. The Lobo is too small and the Hawg is too big/heavy for my needs.
    Mule fits the bill for what you want, at least in the Camelbak line-up.

    I have a Hawg and a Mule and to be honest I haven't used the Mule (for biking) since I bought the Hawg 2 years ago. Still, if you want smaller then it's a great addition. I still use the Mule for hiking, or one of my kids uses it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Why do you have 3 pics at the ready of your back ?
    Because I wrote up a review of this pack in another thread, so they were already in a Photobucket album. Photos courtesy of my girlfriend Sharon.

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    Wingnut Hyper, two sizes available. Rides lower on the back. Doesn't slop around in the big bumps like traditional packs.
    Reviewed well. A bit pricey.
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    I like my Dakine Apex alot (1100 ci, 100 oz.). Comfortable, carries armor and FF helmet comfortably. Rage usually has a few in stock. If I were looking today, I'd probably consider the Osprey packs, too.

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    I will second the wingnut. They are super lightweight and hold a 100oz bladder no problem. Have side access pockets so you don't have to remove the pack to get to your tool pack, small camera and snacks plus a large inner area that will hold a jacket pump tubes etc.

    They do not have insulation so either freeze your bladder or be used to drinking warm water (what i do FWIW). I also appreciate that they will not come up and hit the back of your helmet on steep descents or big hops etc. like my camelback hawg would do.

    check em out here:

    http://www.wingnutgear.com/product_d...product_id=124

    LGT Wingnut hyper which is my preference for desert riding. They also do not come with a bladder but you can use your existing camelback one which is the best option anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twowheelsdown2002
    Because I wrote up a review of this pack in another thread, so they were already in a Photobucket album. Photos courtesy of my girlfriend Sharon.
    Hey, I have that same helmet with all the little skulls on it.

    What is this thread about again?

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5QQD...layer_embedded


    Viewing this thread got me curious about these.....checked them out when I saw one in the store. Ended up buying one

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    Thanks for all the input. I picked up a Raptor this afternoon. Will give it a test run at SoMo tomorrow morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    go for the new 2000oz camelbak KEGGER.
    It comes with a platform for kegstands!
    But wait, there's more - a mini platform, for the kid!
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    Late input here but the Osprey is bad a**! Own the Raptor 18...love it.

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    Just wanted to follow up if anyone else searched for a similar topic.

    Based on some input here, I did buy the Osprey Raptor 10 at REI over in PV. 100 oz. bladder, but a physically smaller pack, which is what I needed. Lots of clever features, very nicely built and not expensive relative to similar Camelback offerings.

    Alas, there's a problem. After riding with it for three weeks, something about the way the pack sits makes my lower back hurt. Not sure why, because it's light and sits tightly. So, I can't explain the issue, but it's there. Rode with it yesterday and had the same issue. Today I rode with my C'back Hawg. No lower back pain.

    Still a great pack, but didn't work out for my needs. Hope this helps someone.

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    Is this an aching pain or just surface?

    This is most likely due to the shape / rigidity of the Nalgene bladder. I've heard about this from others, but the issue may not be prevalent on bigger sizes, say like the 14 & 18? Must be due the length of the pack where larger ones would sit lower. I think this is still a good concept, but Osprey teamed with Nalgene will probably have some tweeking to do.

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    Try the Deuter Race Air EXP - it has a light steel frame thst flexes and keeps the pack off your back. It also leaves an air channel for ventilation.
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    G: It's an ache. Feel's like the weight of the pack is centered right on my lower back. I got the M/L size (vs the S/M), since I'm 6'2". Again, lots of cool features, but I'm going back to the Hawg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azjonboy
    Deuter Race Air EXP. Holds 100 ounces and some gear. Very light and fits the back well.
    Extra bonus is the mesh back with a thin steel frame that lets the pack sit on your back like a hammock. You can actually feel the air flow through to your back. It's also expandable for a little more space. I went from C-back to this because of our summers.

    I'll second the Deuter. Best pack I've tried. Love the mesh back, makes the pack very comfortable and no swamp back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azjonboy
    Try the Deuter Race Air EXP - it has a light steel frame thst flexes and keeps the pack off your back. It also leaves an air channel for ventilation.
    Those look sweet, I think that'll be my next pack

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    Im not sure if it's right for you Blatant but I'll 3rd the Deuter's. I have the Race Air Exp which might be too large for your needs but I'm pretty sure they make smaller packs. The Race Air Exp expands when you need the extra space and is probably too big for my 5'7" frame but the mesh backing is simply something I won't live without. Love feeling that cool breeze on my back from time to time

    I've seen it at REI so you might have taken a look at it already but it's worth a look IMO.


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    Only item I didn't like was the mouthpiece but a quick swap with my Camelbak piece and all is well.

    The 'arc' you see on the back of the pack body is done through an aluminum frame(two rails) which keeps tension on the mesh backing thus allowing air to flow freely between your back and the bag.

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    That looks familiar. I think I may have seen that pack at REI when looking for a pack for riding the motorcycle but the way the supports keep the pack away from the body seemed to limit it's storage. And for the motorcycle I wanted more room. That might be a great pack for the bike, though. I'll have to investigate more...

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    Tuff Gong, I like that pack! I'll due for a new one soon.........Drew

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    Yeah, I'm sure it's not for everybody but it's def worth a look.

    A few more things about it....

    I've only owned a CB Mule to compare it to but it's a lot nicer for me. With the Mule, I really disliked having to remove the contents in order for me to put the fully filled 'hot dog' shaped bladder in it every time. The Deuters is large enough to easily place the bladder in without having to take any of the contents out. Unlike the smaller Mule, you can't tell if the bladder is full or not as it doesn't swell like the back of the Mule.

    Cons; 1. not as many convenient compartments. It's pretty much a large 'bag' inside with just a few small compartments for little nick knacks. I keep my tools and tubes in smaller bags that I place in the Deuters.
    2. A bit tall for shorter riders. From time to time, when I get up off saddle the bottom of the bag gets pushed up by my ass and the top of the bag leans up against my neck. I don't know how my flat derrier can push it up but it does Again, just something us short folks need to keep in mind when purchasing.

    A few more pics I just took;




    Unexpanded


    Expanded


    This is something I doubt i'll ever use as I have no need to remove my helmet during my rides A helmet holder that comes out of this zippered pocket on the bottom which holds the helmet in a netting that expands from here and hooks up on top. I guess it could be used for something else during long rides.


    Another zippered pocket on the bottom. This one stores the 'rain coat' for the bag. It simply stretches over the bag to prevent the bag from getting all wet.


    I have a feeling this might be too big for what your looking for Blatant but I thought I might chime in with a few more pics for Drew and Mike. Like I said, def have a look at the rest of Deuters line. Good luck with the search!

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    If you bought the pack with your REI Membership, Blatant, feel free to take it back for a full refund (I believe) and try something new. I have done it before with a pair of hiking shoes, and its no big deal.

    Anyways, I bought a (new model I guess) Mule NV a couple of months ago and I love it. It holds 100oz of water and keeps its cooler longer, because its held away from your back a little bit, and apparently is insulated too. Has the mesh backing also, with lots of room for air flow. I always carry 2 tubes, a pump, tire levers, a few tools, including a multi tool and smaller Letherman, camera, and the bigger GorillaPod, as well as a few other things depending on the ride (extra Petzl at night, can of peaches or some other sort of food for longer rides, whatever) and never feel like Im out of room. I would probably want something a little bigger if I went on longer rides more often, but I dont. When I do though, its fine. I love this pack for mountain biking. Huge step up from the 70oz CamelBak Chaos I was using before I splurged on the NV. I went for the white, because it clashes with the TreeBark shirt I ride in!

    http://www.camelbak.com/sports-recre...0-mule-nv.aspx

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    The NV lines of the Mule and Hawg are as good as it gets. The breathability is amazing! Going from an older Mule to the Hawg NV didn't even feel like I went to a larger pack. It's cooler and more comfortable. Heartratemonitors.com had them cheaper than anywhere I could find and it was on my doorstep in 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskersOfDeath
    Wow, that is one SWEET pack with lot's of nice features. The one thing I like most about it is that is has something more close to a REAL waist belt. The Camelbaks I have are just a piece of 1" webbing. This one has lot's of material until it gets around your hips. I like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant
    Just wanted to follow up if anyone else searched for a similar topic.

    Based on some input here, I did buy the Osprey Raptor 10 at REI over in PV. 100 oz. bladder, but a physically smaller pack, which is what I needed. Lots of clever features, very nicely built and not expensive relative to similar Camelback offerings.

    Alas, there's a problem. After riding with it for three weeks, something about the way the pack sits makes my lower back hurt. Not sure why, because it's light and sits tightly. So, I can't explain the issue, but it's there. Rode with it yesterday and had the same issue. Today I rode with my C'back Hawg. No lower back pain.

    Still a great pack, but didn't work out for my needs. Hope this helps someone.
    I have also been riding with a Raptor 10 and found that the key to a comfortable fit is to keep the shoulder straps pretty tight so the top of the pack "sucks" in tight to my shoulders thus taking the pressure off the lower back. You might try doing this and see if it helps.

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    Yep, that was the first thing I did. Didn't make a difference for me. Ended up following some good advice above and returned it to REI

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    Blatant's a big dude. They may just not be fitted well for big guys (or ladies). Osprey is notorious for fitting small, even though they have two sizes.

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    I love my Mule! I carry it on my mountain bike, and my dirt bike, plus hike with it occasionally. It carries a lot of stuff if you pack it well, and it's tough as nails...I've crashed on it numerous times, and have been using it aggressively since mid 2004! It get's used 2 to 4x per week minimum. To me that is value! I just wish it could hold another 20oz of water, but to my knowledge, nobody makes a hydration pack over 100oz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5bravobravo
    I love my Mule! I carry it on my mountain bike, and my dirt bike, plus hike with it occasionally. It carries a lot of stuff if you pack it well, and it's tough as nails...I've crashed on it numerous times, and have been using it aggressively since mid 2004! It get's used 2 to 4x per week minimum. To me that is value! I just wish it could hold another 20oz of water, but to my knowledge, nobody makes a hydration pack over 100oz.
    Strap one of these to your Mule...



    http://www.camelbak.com/sports-recre...tle-100oz.aspx

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    I also own a Dakine. I own the Nomad, and I think it's right in the size range that you're looking for. They used to use the Nalgene bladder, but the new Dakine's use the Hydrapak bladder, which I do like a little more. Like someone else mentioned, Rage stocks them. If you're on the East side of town, I think that Adventure in Mesa stocks Dakine packs also.

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    To clarify, I ended up grabbing a new C'Back Mule NV. Seems about the right size (right between the Hawg and the Lobo, both of which I already have) and I know there's no issue with fitment.

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