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    No helmet on South Mountain

    So, there I am, climbing up Mormon, and look, there is some guy bombing down with no helmet on.

    Interesting choice. Why would one do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CridgeMTBT View Post
    So, there I am, climbing up Mormon, and look, there is some guy bombing down with no helmet on.

    Interesting choice. Why would one do this?
    Nothing inside to protect !

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    Darwin theories at work...

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    was he going ludicrous speed?

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    No helmet on South Mountain

    I forgot my helmet at McD Comp Loops (car trip) once and decided to take a loop without the lid. Felt seriously weird. Not enjoyable. But alls well that ends well and I reckon he was something similar situation. I can't even remember the last time I saw somebody riding (a bike) without a helmet.

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    No helmet on South Mountain

    Cause this is 'murika!


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    Forgot his brain in the car, gotta go get it in a real hurry.

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    He wants you to pick up the helicopter bill.
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    Saw a guy with his helmet on his back pack crash right in front of us on Mormon the other month. He was allright, but I had to point out there are better places to have helmets than a back pack.

    I also love seeing the newbie, or family on trails with no helmet. It feels rude, but I always say something.

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    I see a lady riding without a helmet in the McD's on occasion. I keep my mouth shut. Not my place to tell her what to do.

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    What's 'Murika about it is that everyone else feels entitled enough to have some self righteous opinion about what some guy who they don't even know did or did not do....so much so that they feel the need to talk about it to lots of other people they don't really even know. That's 'Murika.

    If dude was ''bombing" SoMo, he is no newbie. I'm sure he wears a helmet 99.9% of the time. He took a risk, to each his own. Live and let live kinda thing in my book. It's not like a newbie family in need of friendly guidance.

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    I sometimes swim after I eat but ya he should be wearing a helmet.
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    I consider making a helmet comment as educational. I am not forcing them to wear a helmet, just pointing out nicely that it would be a good idea.

    For the guy that crashed in front of me, I would have said nothing, but he crashed on something really easy and I could not resist the irony.

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    Good idea to wear a helmet if you can't mind your own business.
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    Man, I used to be seriously uptight about folks riding without helmets. My reasoning: you're going to obligate me to help your stupid self if I come across you and your noggin is split open because you weren't wearing a helmet. My secondary reasoning was a lame "but think of the children" thing. Then I realized I'm gonna help someone down whether they were wearing a helmet or not, and stupid people are gonna raise stupid kids regardless. I'm sad for the kids whose parents don't helmet up every ride.

    Now I just judge in silence and hope my insurance premiums aren't going up too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    What's 'Murika about it is that everyone else feels entitled enough to have some self righteous opinion about what some guy who they don't even know did or did not do....so much so that they feel the need to talk about it to lots of other people they don't really even know. That's 'Murika.

    If dude was ''bombing" SoMo, he is no newbie. I'm sure he wears a helmet 99.9% of the time. He took a risk, to each his own. Live and let live kinda thing in my book. It's not like a newbie family in need of friendly guidance.
    I love the self contradiction in this post.

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    Riding on SoMo without a helmet is no different than riding a moto in PHX without a helmet....

    OK, maybe it is a little safer....
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    I don't think it should be a law that you HAVE to wear a helmet or seat belt or (insert safety device.) But seriously, why the hell wouldn't you? If you don't want to wear a helmet or seat belt, that's your prerogative, but I won't ride or drive without gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    I don't think it should be a law that you HAVE to wear a helmet or seat belt or (insert safety device.) But seriously, why the hell wouldn't you? If you don't want to wear a helmet or seat belt, that's your prerogative, but I won't ride or drive without gear.
    it costs money to scrape a smeared person off the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    it costs money to scrape a smeared person off the road

    Bah, nonsense!

    Just leave them where they drop as a warning to others. Some coyote or feral dog will be along shortly to take care of business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B View Post
    Man, I used to be seriously uptight about folks riding without helmets. My reasoning: you're going to obligate me to help your stupid self if I come across you and your noggin is split open because you weren't wearing a helmet. My secondary reasoning was a lame "but think of the children" thing. Then I realized I'm gonna help someone down whether they were wearing a helmet or not, and stupid people are gonna raise stupid kids regardless. I'm sad for the kids whose parents don't helmet up every ride.

    Now I just judge in silence and hope my insurance premiums aren't going up too much.
    Personally Im not concerned about insurance going up because of "stupid people" not wearing a helmet. I am however concerned about stupid legislation that WILL jack up our premiums big time. Wait until 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    it costs money to scrape a smeared person off the road
    Ah the great helmet debate. Such a polarizing topic.
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    Interesting to read this immediately after getting word a local guy went down on the Sea Otter XC loop yesterday, hit his head while wearing a helmet, and likely won't live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azdog View Post
    I sometimes swim after I eat but ya he should be wearing a helmet.
    You mean you don't wait the recommended 45 minutes after eating before swimming? Jesus man! You must have a death wish!

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    Helmet debate aside, I've noticed a lot more people on South Mountain without helmets in the last year. Mostly younger 20-somethings. When I was that age, everyone but the bike messenger wanna-bees and the uber-cool roadies in their euro riding caps wore a helmet. Is this some kind of millennial generational thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkaz View Post
    Helmet debate aside, I've noticed a lot more people on South Mountain without helmets in the last year. Mostly younger 20-somethings. When I was that age, everyone but the bike messenger wanna-bees and the uber-cool roadies in their euro riding caps wore a helmet. Is this some kind of millennial generational thing?
    Who knows. I grew up without wearing a helmet and I made it. Im also old enough that I used to ride in the front seat with my dad with no seatbelt. Legally. Oh and my radio flyer didnt have seatbelts either and it was made of wood. CRAZY Sh!t right there.
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    Having seen someone die of brain trauma first-hand, I'll wear my helmet. S#!+ ain't pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SugarHigh View Post
    I consider making a helmet comment as educational. I am not forcing them to wear a helmet, just pointing out nicely that it would be a good idea.
    I like to provide educational comments to chubby riders wearing helmets I encounter that they're fat and shouldn't eat so much.

    Yes, I wear a helmet, but honestly people, enjoy your self-righteous ride and let others enjoy theirs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    He wants you to pick up the helicopter bill.
    I know your'e kidding, but you do raise a point. (Intentionally, I think.) Currently, people with health insurance are getting scarcer and scarcer. So if an un-helmeted person sustains a serious head trauma, we the people get to pick up the tab for all their medical bills, more often than not. And in this country, the medical billing industry is NOT kidding around.

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    No helmet on South Mountain

    What about skiing? I'm a little embarrassed to admit I been skiing hard for 25 years but only in a helmet for the last 5. This pic from back in the day, but I can't imagine skiing without a helmet now.
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    +1 helmet on the slopes since 2001, took some scary head shots in my glory days.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scott In MD View Post
    What about skiing? I'm a little embarrassed to admit I been skiing hard for 25 years but only in a helmet for the last 5. This pic from back in the day, but I can't imagine skiing without a helmet now.
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    Let's not turn this into a thread about ppl in their 20s not wearing helmets. Humans in general are dumb. All age groups have dumb dumbs.

    I used to occasionally do XC rides with a coworker who didn't wear a helmet. Watched a number of other bikers make demeaning comments to him about not having one on. Not once of the 6-7 times this happened did anyone do it in an educational or im-just-trying-to-help type tone. It was always someone talking down to him like a random a$$hole.

    I completely agree that you are an idiot if you don't wear a helmet. I've had 3 minor concussions and 1 major head trauma I was lucky to survive. I know how much you need to protect your dome. That said, mind your own damn business people. I don't find the need to say things to riders without a helmet. I'm helping rid our world of dumb dumbs by NOT saying anything to them. Natural selection at its best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggles View Post
    I completely agree that you are an idiot if you don't wear a helmet. I've had 3 minor concussions and 1 major head trauma I was lucky to survive. I know how much you need to protect your dome. That said, mind your own damn business people. I don't find the need to say things to riders without a helmet. I'm helping rid our world of dumb dumbs by NOT saying anything to them. Natural selection at its best.
    I agree also but the problem is this: Anyone has the right to be a jerk but when said jerk gets hurt and has to use City, Gov, Federal assistance to get him to a doctor and we the people have to pay for it,
    Now I have a huge problem with it.

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    Well made point. Wish any of us had a good answer for that problem!

    Oh and just to note I paid for my medical bills Well I paid a few grand and my insurance paid about a quarter mil. I quickly learned the value of medical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirtrider127 View Post
    I agree also but the problem is this: Anyone has the right to be a jerk but when said jerk gets hurt and has to use City, Gov, Federal assistance to get him to a doctor and we the people have to pay for it,
    Now I have a huge problem with it.

    If they were always billed for the services rendered and they always paid in full, have at it Darwin...
    I hear this argument used all the time in these types of discussions and Im not sure I buy it. Claims like this make it sound like there is an epidemic of helmetless mountan bikers getting picked off mountains everyday. While Im sure it does happen now and then what is the % of mountain rescues due to riders not wearing a helmet verse any other type of rescue. If we are really that concerned about "we the people" paying for mountain rescue why dont we push for legislation that requires you to carry a minimum of 70oz of water with you any time you set foot on a trail. How many rescues do you see on TV of people with dehydration and heat exhaustion getting picked off the mountains every year? Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Raton View Post
    if an un-helmeted person sustains a serious head trauma, we the people get to pick up the tab for all their medical bills, more often than not. And in this country, the medical billing industry is NOT kidding around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    Oh and my radio flyer didnt have seatbelts either and it was made of wood. CRAZY Sh!t right there.
    And no doubt went way too fast down some big ass hills.

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    yeah if you really want to do something dangerously stupid,, feeding a pack of wild hyenas is much cooler


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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    yeah if you really want to do something dangerously stupid,, feeding a pack of wild hyenas is much cooler

    Hard to see for sure, but is he wearing a helmet??

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    wouldn't matter,, they'd eat it too...

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    Now, if he was riding a hyena down Mormon, with no helmet, there'd be cause for concern.

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    well duh,, helmets arent made to fit hyenas

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    well duh,, helmets arent made to fit hyenas
    Not even the 'one size fits all' ones? Looks like I'm riding solo again....

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    Hyena shreddin would be badass. Takes a snack break, got an assortment of mice and critters in his Camelbak. Wouldn't need elbow pads, just 4 knee pads. No need for a light for night rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdonegan View Post
    I like to provide educational comments to chubby riders wearing helmets I encounter that they're fat and shouldn't eat so much.

    Yes, I wear a helmet, but honestly people, enjoy your self-righteous ride and let others enjoy theirs.
    Fair enough, you and others disagree.

    I get the whole personal freedom thing and I support it, but it is not all black and white. I consider this a gray issue.

    Maybe I am biased on this issue. Helmets have saved my life multiple times, in multiple sports. I have also spent 5 days in the ICU with head trauma. I was a total prick for about 6 months after due to the effects to the brain. I have had an 8 year old with a concussion as well.

    If I see someone, my guess, a newbie on the trail without a helmet, in passing I will say, "a helmet is a good idea out here" and that is it. I will continue to do so too. If I see someone littering on the trail, I will say something. If I see someone cutting in stupid crappy trails, I will say something. If I saw a moto or a quad on an mtb trail, I will say something. I also make a point to say hi to everyone else I see on the trail while passing.

    That said, I don't think there is any need for a mtb helmet law. I prefer less regulation, and I would not want anyone barred from riding without a helmet. Plus, the community and the culture seems to handle it pretty well. I have seen maybe 5 people without a helmet in the last year or so and I ride regularly.

    Got to love it when threads get political. Hope to see you all on the trails some time!

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    I didn't wear a helmet either as a kid - I didn't know any better, plus they were hard come by, expensive and akward. Now they are plenty, cheap and light. My wife washed on Pembo a week ago, fell hard on her side and hit her head hard. Had a little headache, and tons of bruises and scrapes. I wonder what would happen without a helmet.

    I admit when I ride with my kids in our neighborhood I don't wear a helmet, my kids do though.

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    I'd be concerned that the jerk on the hyena coming up the hill doesn't get out of the way of my fast-moving downhill hyena in time, and wrecks my hyena-strava time!
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    There are swaths of people out there that don't believe in wearing seatbelts. Don't believe me? They are out there. Just the other day we had someone fly out of the cockpit of an airplane because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt. 2500' plunge to his death. These are the stupidest situations, and there should be some laws to reduce the cost to society. Think of all the people who the families are going to try and sue, because it "wasn't safe". If there's a law to wear your damn seatbelt, then they can't point to lack of regulations. I don't think there should be a "helmet law" for riding your bikes, but I don't think any of those people are "taking their chances and making their own decision". If they were really doing that, they'd have a DNR card, something in their wallet to tell people to not rescue them, they'd let the people they ride with know this, they'd inform their families of the actions, and they'd have all their bills/loans/mortgages paid off. Of course, they aren't really taking responsibility for their actions...
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    Re: No helmet on South Mountain

    I've ridden with at least one of you who post on here regularly who likes to take a Swisher sweet break at the lookout. Guess what? I wasn't the least bit offended, nor did I run home and post about how his actions are going to cause my health insurance to go up or question him about whether or not his mortgage was paid for. Live and let live people. None of us are perfect.

    Op this is not directed at you.

    On an aside an acquaintance of mine at work was riding out at Fountain Hills 4 or 6 weeks ago and took a spill. He is now paralyzed from the chest down. The prognosis is that there is no possible recovery. Just be careful out there and do what is right for you. What more can we do?
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    I won't ride my bike for 45 minutes after eating and I always wear a helmet when I swim!
    Because, one is never enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post

    Op this is not directed at you.
    Fair enough -
    I posted up because in my own opinion I thought it was insane. I did not say anything, maybe I should have. He was on the upper part of Mormon just below the national junction - not easy to get there so he was probably not a beginner. He was riding a Yeti. Not a bike that somebody just grabs from their local department store.

    I've cracked two helmets within probably the last year. Both on non technical/fast cross country rides. (Posted a vid of one on this forum!) they happen unexpectedly and to experienced riders and novices alike.

    I hate to think of where I would be now had I not been wearing a helmet on any of those cases. Both times I walked away sore, but perfectly fine. If I did not have a helmet on would I even be breathing today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CridgeMTBT View Post
    Fair enough -
    I posted up because in my own opinion I thought it was insane. I did not say anything, maybe I should have. He was on the upper part of Mormon just below the national junction - not easy to get there so he was probably not a beginner. He was riding a Yeti. Not a bike that somebody just grabs from their local department store.

    I've cracked two helmets within probably the last year. Both on non technical/fast cross country rides. (Posted a vid of one on this forum!) they happen unexpectedly and to experienced riders and novices alike.

    I hate to think of where I would be now had I not been wearing a helmet on any of those cases. Both times I walked away sore, but perfectly fine. If I did not have a helmet on would I even be breathing today?
    Your concern is valid, to say the least. My initial post was mostly me just having a 'case of the Mondays", ( that and I get edgy about the term 'Merika for some reason particularly when used BY Americans), but I still believe it's not the end of the world. Like you said, it's pretty obvious he was experienced and just made a choice to ride without that day. Probably drove 25 minutes to the T/H and realized he was missing something and chose to do a loop anyway. I've ridden out there in summer when I forgot my Camelbak but I cut the ride quite short, just riding up Mormon to Natty and back down. Smart? No. But hey....I wanted to ride I guess I am just hoping not to be judged by the masses for my choice...and am offering the same wishes to helmet-less dude.

    After all, posting about it on this forum is preaching to the choir.
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    If we need to be concerned about paying for people not wearing helmets then we also need to be concerned about every other aspect of their lives. Some might also view mountain biking at South Mountain as an unnecessary risk and want it stopped. It's easy to see how this is getting out of hand.

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    Fk guys, get over it. Somehow for thousands of years people have ridden horses...gasp...without helmets. Why do you all care so much? You're like a bunch of hens gossiping over stupid crap. Someone falls...who cares? Well, unless you're 1st on the scene. No laws against it, so move the fk on and stop being little btches about it. Mind your own business and move along. Really, page three over this? Nothing else to complain about?

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    If only the horse had a helmet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by westeast View Post
    If we need to be concerned about paying for people not wearing helmets then we also need to be concerned about every other aspect of their lives. Some might also view mountain biking at South Mountain as an unnecessary risk and want it stopped. It's easy to see how this is getting out of hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by AZspeeding View Post
    Fk guys, get over it. Somehow for thousands of years people have ridden horses...gasp...without helmets. Why do you all care so much? You're like a bunch of hens gossiping over stupid crap. Someone falls...who cares? Well, unless you're 1st on the scene. No laws against it, so move the fk on and stop being little btches about it. Mind your own business and move along. Really, page three over this? Nothing else to complain about?
    And there you have it.

    Our society has to many people willing to look out for others well being.

    A brainwashed collectivism of do good attitude, with little thought of the ultimate outcome.

    Car wrecks are terrible, we must fix this ... Mandate safety devices to protect the Insurance companies, jack up the cost, and increase the weight (forget MPG vs weight, it's a causality of safety) mandate insurance upon the consumer so the insurance companies can run a monopoly, develop larger Insurance companies, and more of them, so society thinks it has choices, etcetera, etcetera.

    Bicycles are dangerous ... Mandate safety devices ... But first issue riding permits AFTER one passes a basic competency test

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    Proclamation: The aforementioned downhill section of Mormon shall be named
    - NO HELMET.

    As in, I totally OTB on the no helmet or I totally bombed the no helmet.

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