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    New DH Frame

    I am looking to replace my small Giant Faith (frame is too small) with a dedicated DH bike. Since I am not planning on racing, I am looking for a good all-around DH bike that is confidence inspiring and will handle pretty much everything a short old man would want to ride. I have seen some smoking deals out there for some new frames (2008 Turner DHR, 2009 Intense M6, 2009 Yeti 303R DH, and a 2010 Giant Glory) and a few used frames (2009 Cove Shocker). I would prefer to just pick up a frame since the parts on the Faith are pretty much new. I have read that some DH bikes are purely for racing and you really need the skills to make them perform properly...that's not for me. Any thoughts on which one to pick up???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    I am looking to replace my small Giant Faith (frame is too small) with a dedicated DH bike. Since I am not planning on racing, I am looking for a good all-around DH bike that is confidence inspiring and will handle pretty much everything a short old man would want to ride. I have seen some smoking deals out there for some new frames (2008 Turner DHR, 2009 Intense M6, 2009 Yeti 303R DH, and a 2010 Giant Glory) and a few used frames (2009 Cove Shocker). I would prefer to just pick up a frame since the parts on the Faith are pretty much new. I have read that some DH bikes are purely for racing and you really need the skills to make them perform properly...that's not for me. Any thoughts on which one to pick up???

    I have been looking around too, and here is what I found.

    Ventana El Curevo - $1300 from Go-Ride, 9" travel bike with an Elka stage 5. The bike is very burly, it jumps well, and is an exceptional plow style bike.

    Yeti 303 RDH - $1600 form Go-Ride - this is one of my favorite bikes. The rail system requires cleaning and lubing after every ride, but the adjustable geometry is great, and it has no effect on the shock rate. The bike is a very lively, poppy bike that may not be as fast as some others, but probably more fun.

    Turner DHR - Hard to beat. This a quality bike with a great reputation. They rarely break, have a simple single pivot that works very well. Good jumping bike.

    Knolly Podium - The ultimate bike that has all of the traits of the above listed bikes, at close to double the price. I have a Knolly Endorphin and I am completely sold on the Knolly 4x4 suspension system. It has fantastic small bump compliance, great mid stroke and beautiful ramp up. If cost were no object, this would be the bike I choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er
    I have been looking around too, and here is what I found.

    Ventana El Curevo - $1300 from Go-Ride, 9" travel bike with an Elka stage 5. The bike is very burly, it jumps well, and is an exceptional plow style bike.

    Yeti 303 RDH - $1600 form Go-Ride - this is one of my favorite bikes. The rail system requires cleaning and lubing after every ride, but the adjustable geometry is great, and it has no effect on the shock rate. The bike is a very lively, poppy bike that may not be as fast as some others, but probably more fun.

    Turner DHR - Hard to beat. This a quality bike with a great reputation. They rarely break, have a simple single pivot that works very well. Good jumping bike.

    Knolly Podium - The ultimate bike that has all of the traits of the above listed bikes, at close to double the price. I have a Knolly Endorphin and I am completely sold on the Knolly 4x4 suspension system. It has fantastic small bump compliance, great mid stroke and beautiful ramp up. If cost were no object, this would be the bike I choose.

    Hope this helps.
    Thanks tiSS'er. That helps. The Knolly Podium is a little pricey for now. Heavily weighing the DHR and 303R. I heard the El Curevo is a great bike as well.

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    303R-DH's break, just ask Super Bright Brian from the Wed morning crew. His didn't even last 6 months.

    The old Turner DHR is a solid bike, the new ones are just starting to trickle in, but with the 2 year development time in order to keep them in one piece would make me kind of wary.

    Knolly - Best of the best quality wise, but you pay the price.

    Specialized Demo - New one is one of the most well thought out machines coming for 2011. Old ones, I wouldn't bother since they are all 73/135mm.

    Intense - Don't bother, you don't race.

    For the money, there really isn't a better bargain on the market right now than the Giant Glory, and you know who has one in a medium just waiting for a good home. Not to mention you could just swap all the parts over from the Faith with the exception of needing a 203mm fork.

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    Sixty...any thoughts on the Ventana El Cuervo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Sixty...any thoughts on the Ventana El Cuervo?
    Nicely built frames, small company, probably clearing them out because they can't sell them, they are kind of dated designs. Plus they are overkill for anything out here at 9" of travel.

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    Yeah, It was six months, just about, and a small head tube crack formed. I rode a big hit for a year before. Beat that bike down way harder and no problems. I would go for a demo, the 2011 are SICK. I'm waiting to get one

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    Quote Originally Posted by DHbiker86
    Yeah, It was six months, just about, and a small head tube crack formed. I rode a big hit for a year before. Beat that bike down way harder and no problems. I would go for a demo, the 2011 are SICK. I'm waiting to get one

    Thanks DH. Any idea when they are being released? I have a feeling my patience will be long gone before they are available.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Thanks DH. Any idea when they are being released? I have a feeling my patience will be long gone before they are available.
    Probably be available after Interbike in Sept.

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    Yeah, i think that's what i heard. I don't know the date for sure. I would just keep checking the website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motorcyclemike
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    funny . Do you know how many of those frames broke in az? Besides its no where in the class of any of the bikes mentioned
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    Clock...you have the DHR don't you? What are your thoughts on a 2008 DHR for someone fat, short, and out of shape? Would it help negate some of my many riding mistakes? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Clock...you have the DHR don't you? What are your thoughts on a 2008 DHR for someone fat, short, and out of shape? Would it help negate some of my many riding mistakes? Thanks.
    Clock has the DHR from 2 or 3 versions ago, the square tubed one. Couple people have the 08 that ride the shuttles, ABCNorte and DirtGurl come to mind first. You might want to ask them.

    Only thing I have ever heard about people having problems with on those is the main pivot bolt coming loose often and it killing the main pivot bearings.

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    Thanks Sixty/Doo. My buddy just pointed me to a used 2009 Knolly V-Tach. Obviously more bike that I need, but it is slightly cheaper and would fit my short-term needs. Thoughts?

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    DHR is a soild bike only difference between mine and the round tube style is the round tube is lighter, slacker and i guess has a loose pivit. I love my dhr handle great, poppy and can plow when needed. Even though I have a jedi now I would be a very hard task to pry it from my hands.

    Now that I think about it the only thing I dislike about the bike is not being able to run any shock I want. I have the dhx5 with remote res and the only other option is an avalanche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Thanks Sixty/Doo. My buddy just pointed me to a used 2009 Knolly V-Tach. Obviously more bike that I need, but it is slightly cheaper and would fit my short-term needs. Thoughts?
    That's a heavy-duty freeride frame. About 13-14lbs or so for the frame (while the old delirium T was ~11 with coil shock). It has steeper angles because it's intended for freeriding. Put a real tall fork to slack it out and you'll also have a massive sky-scraper BB height. Not a good bike for general DH riding IMO. It's a dedicated freeride frame, not a dedicated DH frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Thanks Sixty/Doo. My buddy just pointed me to a used 2009 Knolly V-Tach. Obviously more bike that I need, but it is slightly cheaper and would fit my short-term needs. Thoughts?
    I really really looked into the V-Tach about a year ago. Here's what I liked, didn't like about it.

    Pros:
    Its a Knolly
    4x4 bar Suspension

    Cons:
    Its a tank (13lbs+ for frame and shock)
    Its a FR bike (66.5 degree head angle with a 180mm fork, 65.7 degrees with a 203mm fork)

    It ended up being nearly identical geometry wise as my Tranny Dirtbag was, which was a great FR bike, but it was not a DH "sled". The weight was what finally made me decide against it for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsixtysix
    I really really looked into the V-Tach about a year ago. Here's what I liked, didn't like about it.

    Pros:
    Its a Knolly
    4x4 bar Suspension

    Cons:
    Its a tank (13lbs+ for frame and shock)
    Its a FR bike (66.5 degree head angle with a 180mm fork, 65.7 degrees with a 203mm fork)

    It ended up being nearly identical geometry wise as my Tranny Dirtbag was, which was a great FR bike, but it was not a DH "sled". The weight was what finally made me decide against it for the money.
    Yikes, the V-Tach's were really that heavy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KavuRider
    Yikes, the V-Tach's were really that heavy?

    Yup, frame alone with no shock they are almost 12lbs.

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    Holly crap that's more than my old ass dhr frame
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    The weight and HA were a concern. Oh well. Any thoughts on a Banshee Legend MKII and/or the Transition TR450?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    The weight and HA were a concern. Oh well. Any thoughts on a Banshee Legend MKII and/or the Transition TR450?

    Other than the fact that I would steal the Banshee if you bought it. Seriously. You buy one, it will end up in my garage.

    Don't bother with Transition, they are way past their prime and aren't the same company they used to be as far as quality, price or customer service.

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    Why steal it when you know I will grow tired of DHing and sell it for .10 on the dollar? Have you ridden one? Does it live up to the hype? Is the BB a little low for AZ riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brisco Dog
    Why steal it when you know I will grow tired of DHing and sell it for .10 on the dollar? Have you ridden one? Does it live up to the hype? Is the BB a little low for AZ riding?

    Haven't ridden one, but followed its development throughout on the Banshee blog. It's a pretty amazing piece of engineering and everyone who has one seems to love them.

    Any real DH bike is gonna have a low BB in the really rocky stuff. Run 165mm cranks and keep your pedals flat

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    Thanks brother.

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    Demo 8 is the way of the future! I love everything about the new one that I got.

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    yours is outdated now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike-e
    Demo 8 is the way of the future! I love everything about the new one that I got.

    Shuddup Mikey, we all know you're the next Sam Hill with your little green Monster® bike.

    Actually, if the new one's were available, it would totally be my recommendation for cost vs performance vs warranty/CS. They do look like the hot bike for 2011, but Generalized hasn't put a firm date on availability yet.

    They also come with a lifetime ban from Fish ever being your mechanic.

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    Blah blah blah.... outdated my a$$! hahaha its still the same geo (in one of the positions) and probably a pound or so lighter, but mine still owns. I added some more GREEN to it to!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike-e
    Blah blah blah.... outdated my a$$! hahaha its still the same geo (in one of the positions) and probably a pound or so lighter, but mine still owns. I added some more GREEN to it to!
    Really?? It Pwns? Lets have a race on a pedally cobblestone course...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
    Really?? It Pwns? Lets have a race on a pedally cobblestone course...
    Uhh... its not for pedaling and/or cobblestone, you know that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike-e
    Uhh... its not for pedaling and/or cobblestone, you know that
    8 inches of travel is no match for gnar cobblestone Rock gardens are no sweat, but a bunch of smooth stones cemented into the ground is going to cost you a der

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    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
    8 inches of travel is no match for gnar cobblestone Rock gardens are no sweat, but a bunch of smooth stones cemented into the ground is going to cost you a der
    That was a pretty heinous cobblestone garden tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsixtysix
    Shuddup Mikey, we all know you're the next Sam Hill with your little green Monster® bike.

    Actually, if the new one's were available, it would totally be my recommendation for cost vs performance vs warranty/CS. They do look like the hot bike for 2011, but Generalized hasn't put a firm date on availability yet.

    They also come with a lifetime ban from Fish ever being your mechanic.
    I did go through a lot of sh!t when I got my mini demo, but it's all good now.

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    never caught hell about my sx
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    Quote Originally Posted by clockwork
    never caught hell about my sx
    I got tons of crap for both of my SX's, BUT when I got the Demo Fish was all and then hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike-e
    Demo 8 is the way of the future! I love everything about the new one that I got.
    The Demo 8 rocks. I can't imagine owning a different bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsixtysix
    Clock has the DHR from 2 or 3 versions ago, the square tubed one. Couple people have the 08 that ride the shuttles, ABCNorte and DirtGurl come to mind first. You might want to ask them.

    Only thing I have ever heard about people having problems with on those is the main pivot bolt coming loose often and it killing the main pivot bearings.
    I absolutely love my small 2008 DHR, but then again I really don't know any better since this is my first DH bike. It weighed in at a svelte 38 lbs as purchased built-up from Go-Ride and I've had zero pivot issues after constant use for a year. It performed flawlessly at Whistler 2 weeks ago (any and all issues were pilot error ). I want nothing else and think you can't go wrong with a 2008 DHR purchase if you can find one. But again, I know nothing else. So maybe you should ask some others on their opinions... Lynnette has one and so does Lostboyz Aaron - they both send the DHR soaring.

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    Agreed and the blowout prices on the round tube style is killer. I almost bought one instead of the jedi but I decided there was no need to buy the same rig I already had and wanted something way different than most rides out there.
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    Thread closing post...

    http://www.karpiel.com/products/apocalypse/index.html

    That will solve all of your problems. There is a huge Risse on CL today also that would go greaaaat with it.

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    Been riding my 2008 demo 8 for exactly a year now. Has made me a more confident rider, don't know about faster but definitely more confidence. Has taken a ton of abuse from Bootleg, Cali trails, to Keystone and WinterPark.
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    I too have been following the Banshee. Tho it rides super nice and pedals awesome, I have read a few bikes, well a good percentage of it, being easy dented and the paint finsh being to chip off way too easy! With that price of a bike I wouldn't want that in the back of my mind.

    As for the V-Tach you could rock the new angle headset from cane creek and solve a few of the problems besides the weight. That is probably be the closes you would get it to some DH geo. Cane creek would slack it out a good bit and drop the BB. So this is very doable if budgeting is your primary concerns.

    Now I would wait for the 2011 demo like sixty said for the price and quality and warranty. Can't beat it. Geo is spot on for a full on racer tho. So body positioning would be key on that bike at all times. And as you posted you are looking for something not for racing.

    So that would set you back to the DHR for little of everything you wold need along with great CS, price, ride quality, build quality. Super sweet plow bike with the hidden demon to be raced if put to the challenge.


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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
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    http://www.karpiel.com/products/apocalypse/index.html

    That will solve all of your problems. There is a huge Risse on CL today also that would go greaaaat with it.

    hahaha you just gave Kavu a little chubby at work!!!
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    hahaha you just gave Kavu a little chubby at work!!!
    Cess does that to Kavu all the time...

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    Brisco where do you plan on riding? Definitely don't want to settle for less of a bike because you never know, you might start dhing more than you think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
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    http://www.karpiel.com/products/apocalypse/index.html

    That will solve all of your problems. There is a huge Risse on CL today also that would go greaaaat with it.
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    Thanks DooDoo. I haven't heard that about the Legend, but will definitely keep that in mind. I don't think I can wait for the new Specialized Demo's to emerge. Any thoughts on the Knolly Podium?

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