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    Moving to Flagstaff from Seattle

    So I'm heading to Flagstaff at the end of the summer from Seattle, and I'm in the process of building a bike, wondering if anyone can help with some advice.

    I'm building up a 6" trail bike as a do it all type bike, and wondering if I should keep it light for longer climbs or a little burlier for freeride. In seattle there are some freeride options around and I know I would be doing that, but I'm not sure on the FR scene in AZ.

    Are there FR trails around Flagstaff? I'm not trying to do road gaps but if there are decent drops I'll build the bike a little stronger to be able to handle it.

    Thanks for your help!

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    Moving from Seattle? Ouch.
    Keep the bike you're building... you'll want to explore Flag. There are a lot of great AM/ FR trails perfect for a 6 incher. Plus if you don't have a shuttle handy then you'll have to pedal to your thrills...
    As for big stuff like road gaps, that stuff usually gets torn down pretty fast unfortunately. You can find some decent flowy jumps and drops but again nothing that a 6 incher can't handle... the extra 2 inches comes into play when you want more comfort IMHO.
    Once you ride with some locals, I'm sure you'll be finding some good stuff in no time... check out Flagstaff Gravity Riders

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    So I'm heading to Flagstaff at the end of the summer from Seattle
    DON'T DO IT! If it wasn't for the wife wanting to move, I'd still be in Seattle and loving it. The riding here does not even come close. Yes I'm in the Pit of Hades called Phoenix but I've ridden and camped in Flag many times. While the best riding in the state is Flag (IMO which doesn't mean squat), it still doesn't even come close to anything in the PNW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_FLMB View Post
    DON'T DO IT! If it wasn't for the wife wanting to move, I'd still be in Seattle and loving it. The riding here does not even come close. Yes I'm in the Pit of Hades called Phoenix but I've ridden and camped in Flag many times. While the best riding in the state is Flag (IMO which doesn't mean squat), it still doesn't even come close to anything in the PNW.
    Hhmm, safe to say you're a bit biased?
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    Seattle to Flag is an awesome move. Seattle is cool, it has things we don't have here, but I wouldn't move back. Go Seahawks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire View Post
    Hhmm, safe to say you're a bit biased?
    Now what would ever give you that impression?

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    You're gonna need a lot of sunscreen and a good hat

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmorath View Post
    You're gonna need a lot of sunscreen and a good hat
    Like this?


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    A 6" squishy bike is overkill for most Flag riding with the exception of 3 or 4 downhill trails (ie., 5% of the trails). On the other hand, you'll like it in Sedona where the climbs are short. You really going to need two bikes

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    A 6" trail bike is perfect. There are TONS of trails that are built for that bike. Go to Absolute Bikes and try talking to Erik, Andy, or Noodles, if you don't come off as a ******, they should show you around. The only thing you'll miss is loam but you can lean over in moon dust just as well.

    I went to school at NAU and have since moved to Seattle, I miss it greatly. Great people and great riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    A 6" squishy bike is overkill for most Flag riding with the exception of 3 or 4 downhill trails (ie., 5% of the trails). On the other hand, you'll like it in Sedona where the climbs are short. You really going to need two bikes
    Oh come on Rockman! There is actually six trails. This is probably still 5% though.

    I really need a XC bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    A 6" squishy bike is overkill for most Flag riding with the exception of 3 or 4 downhill trails (ie., 5% of the trails). On the other hand, you'll like it in Sedona where the climbs are short. You really going to need two bikes
    Living in Sedona, I like my suspension set up a little on the firm side. Our climbs may be shorter, but they are a little more technical than what I've experienced in Flag...which isn't much. I don't like wasting energy compressing my suspension while pedaling. I'd much rather waste it smiling and laughing as I go down the hills.

    If money were no issue, I'd have a 8" DH rig, 5-6" AM, and a 29er Hardtail for XC...
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    Flag is sweet! Get stoked! See ya on the trails.

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    Hey thanks for all your responses. That's one thing I noticed when I visited, everyone is super friendly in flag. No more seattle ******s!

    Anyway, I'm building up a devinci dixon with 5.7" rear travel, and I'm trying to decide between a 160mm Lyrik for a 66 HA or a 150mm Revelation for a 67 HA. So if there are some trails with 5-6ft drops and some jump lines around I think I'd be well served with the Lyrik.

    I know I should have bigger problems than this in my life but oh well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    Hey thanks for all your responses. That's one thing I noticed when I visited, everyone is super friendly in flag. No more seattle ******s!
    Welcome to Flagstaff.....how does the line go...."If you're not an @$5hole in Flagstaff, how will you ever fit in....."?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Welcome to Flagstaff.....how does the line go...."If you're not an @$5hole in Flagstaff, how will you ever fit in....."?
    Really? That response seems out of character. Maybe I'm missing something?
    Last edited by rockman; 06-14-2011 at 11:03 PM.

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    Maad is just pissed, something about points or powers or some ****, I don't know. I guess I don't care, whatever.

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    Let me clarify to the OP....I'm not calling you an A-hole...I think you'll like Flagstaff, but it's going to take some getting used to coming from Seattle. To rockman and raisingarizona.....nah....I'm not pissed....seriously, you guys have not seen that bumper sticker?

    I saw a bumper sticker the other day that has that quote I put above. I can't remember where I saw it...maybe it was at PnT, perhaps it was on DC....anyways, that's what the bumper sticker said and I'm trying to remember where I saw it....was looking for you all to fill me in....I guess you don't know either. I'm just trying to figure out what it means too....????? They mystery continues I guess....

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    Hey thanks for all your responses. That's one thing I noticed when I visited, everyone is super friendly in flag. No more seattle ******s!

    Anyway, I'm building up a devinci dixon with 5.7" rear travel, and I'm trying to decide between a 160mm Lyrik for a 66 HA or a 150mm Revelation for a 67 HA. So if there are some trails with 5-6ft drops and some jump lines around I think I'd be well served with the Lyrik.

    I know I should have bigger problems than this in my life but oh well.

    LibTec, you should also consider building up a singlespeed as your other bike if you are serious about fitting in here in Flagstaffrica. Is your Dixon a Medium? I can provide a SS for you to demo while I give the Dixon a spin, the split pivot design looks sweet on paper.Hardtail or full susser SS,your choice. Guessing you are a snowboarder based on your MTBR handle. Welcome to N. AZ. 2 Wheels Good.

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    Ah sorry Maad, I misunderstood. Here ya go, courtesy of Elrancho66 who has the largest sticker and CD collection west of the swollen Mississippi and east of Seattle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Ah sorry Maad, I misunderstood. Here ya go, courtesy of Elrancho66 who has the largest sticker and CD collection west of the swollen Mississippi and east of Seattle.
    No worries...that's what I get when making a bad joke...with no context....I'm the @$$hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elrancho66 View Post
    LibTec, you should also consider building up a singlespeed as your other bike if you are serious about fitting in here in Flagstaffrica. Is your Dixon a Medium? I can provide a SS for you to demo while I give the Dixon a spin, the split pivot design looks sweet on paper.Hardtail or full susser SS,your choice. Guessing you are a snowboarder based on your MTBR handle. Welcome to N. AZ. 2 Wheels Good.
    I've got a bike I could probably do ss thanks for the advice.

    The dixon is a large but you're welcome to ride it. It will have a short stem on there, I'm about 6'1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    Welcome to Flagstaff.....how does the line go...."If you're not an @$5hole in Flagstaff, how will you ever fit in....."?
    I think it actually goes Welcome to Flagstaff, unless you are an A$%HOLE from the valley. You just don't fit in...
    And what does this rep power mean anyway?
    Make Flagstaff RAD Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Ah sorry Maad, I misunderstood. Here ya go, courtesy of Elrancho66 who has the largest sticker and CD collection west of the swollen Mississippi and east of Seattle.
    Guess I fell for that one too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by elrancho66 View Post
    LibTec, you should also consider building up a singlespeed as your other bike if you are serious about fitting in here in Flagstaffrica. 2 Wheels Good.
    You Flag guys are really into the single speed stuff! I'm not bashing, I'm just pissed that the last time I ran into some SS Flag guys they made me look like a 6 year old on a Wal Mart pos.
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    Really?

    Politics aside, I find it difficult to comprehend anyone excited about moving from Seattle. I moved away for 10 years and won't make that mistake again!

    I rode the food bank fundraiser event that Absolute Bikes sponsors a few years ago. A 6 inch FS seems like overkill in Flagstaff, assuming most trails are like those trails.
    "Hard work never killed anybody, but why take a chance?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    No worries...that's what I get when making a bad joke...with no context....I'm the @$$hole.
    he's just bitter - riding Desert Classic will do that to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zurC atnaS View Post
    Politics aside, I find it difficult to comprehend anyone excited about moving from Seattle. I moved away for 10 years and won't make that mistake again!

    I rode the food bank fundraiser event that Absolute Bikes sponsors a few years ago. A 6 inch FS seems like overkill in Flagstaff, assuming most trails are like those trails.
    I'm going to NAU for a couple years to ride out the job market, then probably relocating to somewhere else. But I'm stoked to get out of Seattle! I like it here, but I've been in a metropolis for too long...

    A 6" bike is overkill you think? Are there really no ladders or jumps around? I'm down to drive. Is it mostly XC in like an hour radius?

    I'm probably asking to many questions, I'm sure I'll figure this all out when I get down there in a couple months

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    A 6" bike is overkill you think? Are there really no ladders or jumps around? I'm down to drive. Is it mostly XC in like an hour radius?
    After rearranging my face on Double D and spending 5 hours at the ER tonight I'd have to say absolutely not. But for most of the other trails a sub 30lb 4 or 5" bike is the tool of choice. Or a 29'r hardtail but I'd just build your 6" bike so that it's not a monster to pedal uphill. Keep in mind that If you don't shuttle, to get to the freeride/downhill trails requires a 2000' climb.

    But either way, I'd go with the Lyrik over the Rev on that build. The 170 mm Solo Air with the DH damper is less than 5lb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    After rearranging my face on Double D and spending 5 hours at the ER tonight I'd have to say absolutely not.
    what the heck, rockman?!? that's not good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    I'm going to NAU for a couple years to ride out the job market, then probably relocating to somewhere else. But I'm stoked to get out of Seattle! I like it here, but I've been in a metropolis for too long...

    A 6" bike is overkill you think? Are there really no ladders or jumps around? I'm down to drive. Is it mostly XC in like an hour radius?

    I'm probably asking to many questions, I'm sure I'll figure this all out when I get down there in a couple months

    A 6" bike is definitely not overkill. There are a number of trails in Flagstaff that warrant that bike...especially if you want to have fun.

    Most of Arizona (including Flag and Sedona) is a 2-bike state. What I mean by this is our trails vary so much that it's impossible to do everything *well* on 1 bike (I said "well", not just "get by"). Personally I am of the belief those 2 bikes should be a 6" AM bike and a 29'er (either hardtail or short-travel squishy bike). I actually own 3: Bianchi Rita 29'er (SS), Kona Hei Hei 2-9 (4" 29er), and Iron Horse 6point6 (160mm AM).

    There are days I feel like sticking to the XC-oriented trails, and for those days I will ride the Kona or the Bianchi. Then there are days where I want to hit the jumps, stunts, and generally screw around...and those days I'll bring out my 6" bike.

    As was mentioned earlier, most everything in Flagstaff is up or down, so if you do build up a 6" bike, make sure it can climb.

    Good luck in your move. You're going to like it a lot in Flagstaff...provided you don't mind some chilly days in the winter.

    Thx...Doug

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    After rearranging my face on Double D and spending 5 hours at the ER tonight I'd have to say absolutely not.
    Ouch! Sorry to hear this but we all end up in the ER sooner or later. Good news is that our faces heal really quickly!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    I'm going to NAU for a couple years to ride out the job market, then probably relocating to somewhere else. But I'm stoked to get out of Seattle! I like it here, but I've been in a metropolis for too long...

    A 6" bike is overkill you think? Are there really no ladders or jumps around? I'm down to drive. Is it mostly XC in like an hour radius?

    I'm probably asking to many questions, I'm sure I'll figure this all out when I get down there in a couple months
    A 6" bike can definitely be used around Flag/Sedona. Like everybody else is saying, set it up so it can climb. There isn't a whole heck of a lot of pure downhill, but what goes up must come down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl View Post
    Ouch! Sorry to hear this but we all end up in the ER sooner or later. Good news is that our faces heal really quickly!!
    Yep, lots of blood goes to the old cranium. And I got to brush up on my cranial bones as well. Looks like a non displaced fracture of the Zygomatic bone. It was the short steep pitch of DD before it hits Wasabi that did me in. I surfed in the loose stuff right into the big rock on the left. It's not often you get to impact face first without going OTB.

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    Wow!!! As an ex PNW'er...can't really compare the PNW to the SW riding. Two totally different styles of terrain. Personally I like the terrain here better. Way more chunky and way more technical. The hard pack loamy stuff got boring to me, like shredding black diamond groomed runs on the slopes. Great speed thrill but that is it. I challenge anyone's terrain to AZ top class trails.

    And all places are two or more bike terrain. It's all what you want out of your ride. I know SS riders that clean the super gnar, but are they having the same fun as the FS guys maching it at top speed? All comes down to how fast and aggressive you want to attack the trails. For all the AZ chunk, I'd say a 6" travel bike is perfect for all around riding in the State. Maybe overkill on some trails, but hit certain trails in Sedona, Flag, and Phoenix, and it will be your best friend, plus it is just enough for good ol Mingus!

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    That will be a culture shock for sure, Seattle to Flag!
    Bright side is you can always head south to more variety of the
    trail/culture/food/etc. & its not too far away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by libtec View Post
    So I'm heading to Flagstaff at the end of the summer from Seattle, and I'm in the process of building a bike, wondering if anyone can help with some advice.

    I'm building up a 6" trail bike as a do it all type bike, and wondering if I should keep it light for longer climbs or a little burlier for freeride. In seattle there are some freeride options around and I know I would be doing that, but I'm not sure on the FR scene in AZ.

    Are there FR trails around Flagstaff? I'm not trying to do road gaps but if there are decent drops I'll build the bike a little stronger to be able to handle it.

    Thanks for your help!
    Your a lucky guy to be able to re-locate to Flag. I am a native PacNW'er who always lived in Portland (the "anti-mtb city", mostly just commuter and "roadieville" here) and would absolutely love to re-locate to N. AZ. Not too hot in the summer in the higher lands. During winter, just head south to Sedona about 30-40 mintues to ride or even further down into the valley if you have to in mid-winter to do all the great rides in SoMo and other surrounding parks, areas. I am so used to have to drive minimally 45' to +1hr to doing any decent riding around here, that it wouldn't be a big deal at all to have to drive a little during the winter months in Flag to escape the snow. Can I come too to escape the wetlands with ya? Approaching the end of June and still raining, but I guess we can only be so fortunate

    Hope the move goes well.

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