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    McDowell Mountain Park - New Trail

    New trail (Escondido) around the east side of Scenic. It is a little raw, kinda like the scenic trail. Not quite as rocky though. I think they did a real nice job of making it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtownmtb View Post
    New trail (Escondido) around the east side of Scenic. It is a little raw, kinda like the scenic trail. Not quite as rocky though. I think they did a real nice job of making it interesting.

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    Wow, and there is even a strava segment for it as well. That's fast work.

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    Rode it on Saturday, it's fun and twisty but still needs to get packed in a bit (still very raw, loose). It's a nice 8 mile loop if you take Escondido to Cinch and back on Pemberton.
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    Cool, gotta go check it out.

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    Rand & Co. at the park continue to impress me with a steady release of new, fun trails to ride over the past few years. I look forward to riding this soon!

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    I just rode it this morning. This will be a great trail when it packs in and narrows up a bit. They are doing an awesome job out there!!! That park is so badass.

    I think there might be close to a 30 mile loop out there now. Sport/Tech/Long to access rd to Pemberton to Dixiemine/Coachwhip back to Pemberton off to Rock Knob back to Pemberton down to Escondido back to parking lot. Plan on riding it this week sometime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Wow, and there is even a strava segment for it as well. That's fast work.
    HA HA, someone is trying to squeeze in some KOM's while they still can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm View Post
    Rand & Co. at the park continue to impress me with a steady release of new, fun trails to ride over the past few years. I look forward to riding this soon!
    Ditto! If only all park managers were clones of Rand!

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    I guess I am not as familiar with the area as I thought. Where is the trailhead for this new trail in relation to the sport loops or Pemberton?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I guess I am not as familiar with the area as I thought. Where is the trailhead for this new trail in relation to the sport loops or Pemberton?
    When you go through the pay station instead of turning left to go into the comp loops parking lot turn right into the area typically reserved for horse trailers. Go all the way to the back of this parking lot and you will see it. From there you can do a 9.7 mile CCW loop of Escondido/Pemberton/Scenic/Cinch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Stumpy View Post
    When you go through the pay station instead of turning left to go into the comp loops parking lot turn right into the area typically reserved for horse trailers. Go all the way to the back of this parking lot and you will see it. From there you can do a 9.7 mile CCW loop of Escondido/Pemberton/Scenic/Cinch.
    Sweet! Thanks!

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    Sport/Tech/Long to access rd to Pemberton to Dixiemine/Coachwhip back to Pemberton down to Escondido back to parking lot is 28 miles and 2,000 of elevation. Took me a little over 2:20 and was a really good ride. Adding the Rock Knob offshoot would put it over 30. So would going down the Bluff and climbing back up Delsie.
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    Had a chance to go and check this out. When you put most of the trails together you can get 45.5 + or - 1 out of park trails. I did S/T/L to Pemberton connector (this is the only thing you will touch twice), Pemberton clockwise to Dixie Mine, Coachwhip, Pemberton, Boulder, Rock Knob, Pemberton, Bluff, Granite, Delsie, Pemberton, Escondido, connector to Scenic, Scenic counter clockwise, Pemberton back to connector to Long loop, once in parking lot take long loop to your left, do U turn when you reach the long loop where you would turn for tech/long and ride back to parking lot. This again allows for a 45.5 + - 1 ride and you don't touch any trail twice except for the connector of Pemberton and gives you new views the whole ride. I was not doing any land record speeds but it took me 4hrs 11 min. to do this. I had to stop once to adjust me seat. Hope others get to check out the new trail and enjoy the route that I listed.

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    45 miles and only 1 stop... wow.

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    How would this trail be clock-wise? I wanna ride Pemberton/Dixie/Coachwhip/Pemberton/connector to Escondido.

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    Very nice. I really like what the folks at Maricopa County Parks and Rec are doing, and I think McDowell--with its planning, public input, execution, maintenance, and user raves--is fast turning into a sustainable model that can serve on a national level. Bravo MCP&R! I love that this is what my six-buck entry fee facilitates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    How would this trail be clock-wise? I wanna ride Pemberton/Dixie/Coachwhip/Pemberton/connector to Escondido.
    My quick look at the map and math would give you around 27 to 28 miles roughly. It would be a great ride. You can start in two places. Either at 4 peaks parking lot N. of the Competitive track across the road mentioned in an earlier post or at Pemberton. If you start at Pemberton you will go CW -Pemberton, Dixie, Coachwhip, Pemberton, Escondido, Cinch, Scenic (here you can go CW or CCW depending on how you are feeling and if you want extra miles), Pemberton to parking lot. This allows you some miles and will include all MTB skill types of riding. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GilaMonster View Post
    Very nice. I really like what the folks at Maricopa County Parks and Rec are doing, and I think McDowell--with its planning, public input, execution, maintenance, and user raves--is fast turning into a sustainable model that can serve on a national level. Bravo MCP&R! I love that this is what my six-buck entry fee facilitates.
    GilaMonster - I agree with you. I have purchased my annual pass now for at least 6 years. I remember when no bathrooms/showers were out at the park. I was overjoyed when the showers were put in. It is great to see those dollars go to work. Now if we can just get some of the other County parks to follow suit.

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    In which direction is the Escondido trail intended to be ridden? I am intending to do the ride stated above but probably end at Four Peaks staging area and ride the road back up to the Pemberton trailhead.

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    There's nothing wrong with riding a trail in both directions at least once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    There's nothing wrong with riding a trail in both directions at least once.
    I agree.

    Some trails are just better in one direction or the other. I am trying to determine what the consensus is of the riders who have ridden this new trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    I agree.

    Some trails are just better in one direction or the other. I am trying to determine what the consensus is of the riders who have ridden this new trail.
    HitmenOnlyInc - I've only rode it one direction and that was N. to S. Not sure how it would be S. to N. but the N. to S. was a nice ride. Escondido in itself can be ridden either direction no restriction on direction. If you plan on ending at 4 Peaks area to but planning to take road back to Pemberton it would be easier for you just to take Cinch back to the Pemberton Parking area via Scenic. That would roughly be 2 to 3 miles of riding and it would be through the flats and you would not have to climb Scenic to get back to the Pemberton Parking lot. I still need to go back out myself and see how Escondido runs S. to N. we will see if anyone has rode it the other way to chime in.

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    Thanks man! I am not familiar with "cinch" and I don't see it on the map. Is it Shallmo Wash (SH-W)?

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    Cinch goes from Scenic down to Escondido.

    I have ridden it both directions several times. It's really about the same either direction. It's a little faster from N to S since the first mile (or last if you go from S to N) is slightly downhill.

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    Cinch is relatively new as well and not on the map. Cinch connects the Scenic trail to the 4 Peaks overflow lot. Both Cinch and Escondido begin at the north west corner of the lot with Cinch branching off to the left after about 1/2 mile or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HitmenOnlyInc View Post
    Thanks man! I am not familiar with "cinch" and I don't see it on the map. Is it Shallmo Wash (SH-W)?
    Like the others chimed in not on the maps. There is a trail marker for it so it will not be like you looking for an unmarked trail. Here is my map that I added some names for you. The blue dotted line is Scenic back to Pemberton. Since I did not ride that section not on this map of my ride.

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    Thanks guys! I plan on riding this probably on Sunday. I'll post my thoughts after.

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    Here is a map of a shorter loop that includes a lot of the new trails from the 4 Peaks lot. Cinch, Scenic, Tortoise, Wagner, Granite, Delsey, new Pemberton descent, and Escondido back to 4 Peaks lot. Approximately 19 miles.

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    If I park at the Four Peaks staging/overflow lot as described and ride North on Escondido will it intersect with Pemberton or do I need to take a connector trail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaybird View Post
    If I park at the Four Peaks staging/overflow lot as described and ride North on Escondido will it intersect with Pemberton or do I need to take a connector trail?
    Eventually yes but in 6+ miles. Or about a 1/4 mile in you can go west on Cinch which connects to Scenic then the Pemberton (about 2 miles).

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    I rode to Escondido from the Tom's Thumb TH yesterday, and they had a big 'ROAD CLOSED' sign across Escondido. It was surprisingly 'spongy' as I made my way over there. Bummed I could not ride it, but I understand why it was closed. Did anyone get out there today (sunday) and ride it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm View Post
    I rode to Escondido from the Tom's Thumb TH yesterday, and they had a big 'ROAD CLOSED' sign across Escondido. It was surprisingly 'spongy' as I made my way over there. Bummed I could not ride it, but I understand why it was closed. Did anyone get out there today (sunday) and ride it?
    I rode out there this afternoon and Escondido is still closed. They received a lot of rain out there and the fresh cut trail is still too soft to ride. Good call by MMP to have the entry host tell everyone it is closed and put signs up, if not the new trail would have been trashed.

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    I rode Pemberton/Dixie/Coachwhip/Pemberton/Scenic yesterday. We had intended to ride Escondido as well but like AZ said above, the entry host informed us that it was closed due to the rains. Still some soft spots on Dixie and Coachwhip, but Pemberton was very nice. Rode Scenic for the first time clockwise off of Pemberton and after 20+ miles on my hard tail I was not happy about another couple of miles of rocky loose stuff. Overall had a great ride though on a perfect day to ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_AlanS View Post
    I rode out there this afternoon and Escondido is still closed. They received a lot of rain out there and the fresh cut trail is still too soft to ride. Good call by MMP to have the entry host tell everyone it is closed and put signs up, if not the new trail would have been trashed.
    Agreed. It was the right call.

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    Escondido is open again, rode it yesterday. Park mgt made a good decision on the temporary closure. There would have been quite a bit of damage had it been open on weekend. Hope the horses don't discover this trail for a few more days. I think they would still do a lot of damage. (Sad what they've done to some of Brown's Ranch TH trails.) Escondido will turn out to be a very popular trail because of the new alternative routing like listed above. Overall though, a very nice trail on its own. Whoever is designing and building trails for MMRP does a super job!

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    I rode a couple of miles on the new trail. It is going to be an awesome addition to the trail network. It needs to be ridden to pack it down some.

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    New maps that have Escondido and Cinch are available in the Vistors Center. Just camped and rode the park with the family for a few days. Almost the most perfect place on the planet.

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    Any one have a GPX track log of the Escondido Trail?

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    Here ya go

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    Thank You! I am trying to plan some rides, and do not see any routes the Escondido trail connects with at the south end of the track. I see a trail heading south toward a wash, but I read somewhere the Escondido connects with the Scenic Trail also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by babj615 View Post
    Thank You! I am trying to plan some rides, and do not see any routes the Escondido trail connects with at the south end of the track. I see a trail heading south toward a wash, but I read somewhere the Escondido connects with the Scenic Trail also?
    In this map,
    Yellow is Pemberton
    Blue is the upper part of Scenic. YOu can also get there via lower Scenic
    Red is Escondido
    Green is Cinch. Cinch ends in the Four Peaks parking area - across the street from the Comp loop parking area.

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    That is exactly what we needed, Thank You!

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    I will say this, I rode Escondido the other day for the first time, and I loved it. However, beware if you ride it from Pemberton (the yellow line on map above) onto Escondido (red line) around to Cinch (green line). There are a couple downhill places with some exposure and the turns at the bottom are sharp with some loose soil, making it difficult to stop. It would be easy to carry a little too much speed into at least one of these turns and take a flying lesson! Hope that made sense.
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    Rode Pemberton/Tonto/Pemberton/Escondido/Cinch/Lower Scenic today. I have to say I think they did an awesome job on Escondido. Once it gets warn in it will easily be one of my fav trails in the McDowell system.

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    I posted this in a different thread, but thought I would it add it here. If you live in N. Scottsdale, or ride from there, here is a 35 miler riding from Dynamite and 136th.


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    Nice trail. Rode it both ways today. Preferred south to north.

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