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    Intro to Bikepacking: Mogollon Rim - July (12) 13-14

    Ok, looks like we have a route. BrianC may be chiming in on shorter version, kinda the backend of this route. This ride is meant for anyone, but we're targeting people new to bikepacking. This is a self-supported ride, bring what you think you'll need. If you're not sure, ask here.

    Ride, hang out, camp, repeat. That's bikepacking.

    I've posted 5 gpx files to the link below, here's what they are so you can decide what you want/need:

    AZT_FR_Option.gpx - is the optional route on the Sunday return if you want more AZT miles. There is one 10-15 minute HAB.

    HoustonBros_FR_OnB.gpx - This is the optional out-n-back ride from the camp spot up Houston Brothers trail to the first forest road crossing, fun downhill back to camp, it's a really nice grade.

    MogollonCabin_Network.gpx - This has everything we could possibly ride plus the entire cabin loop system, it's color coded. Red: Main bikepack route, Green: AZT option, Purple: Houston Bros OnB, Dark Blue: spurs to cabins & Cyan: other trails, U-Bar, Barbershop & some of FR300.

    Mogollon_BikepackIntro.gpx - This is the main route, no options.

    Mogollon_POI.gpx - This is a waypoint file, contains all points of interest along the trails.

    So, if you combo the POI & Network files, you'll see everything.

    The ride from the start to the cabin loops is 13 miles, then about 8 miles to Aspen Spring.

    I'm planning on going up to the start/finish on Friday evening, July 12th, & camping out. (Junction of AZ87 & FR300) Any and all are welcome to join. I'd like to start riding by 9am on Sat. Taking a relaxed picture pace out to the camping spot. I'm hoping to find a nice spot Sat. night near Aspen Spring. At that point if anyone wants to do the Houston Bros OnB, this would be a good time. On Sunday we'll see what the group decides in re: to the optional AZT route.

    After the ride I'm planning on stopping by That Brewery in Pine to try out the Arizona Trail Ale.

    Please post up any questions. See you at the start!!

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    Sounds like a good ride. Unfortunately I have the rest of July booked up with family vacations.

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    I'm in. Planning on camping Friday night as well. Do you have a specific campsite in mind or first location you find off AZ 87?

    As a first time bikepacker, my biggest question is food and water. Will there be a water source near the camp that can be filtered? Suggestions for food that is packable, I definitely want to keep it simple.

    Also, being new to this, I purchased a Revelate sweet roll for the bars and seat bag, any packing order recommendations from past experience such as what to pack on the bars verses seat bag etc.

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    Alan! Yes!! I'm in too.. +1.

    Check out bikepacking.net for ride setups. bikepacking.net > Personal setups

    Check out Salsa blog for packing tips n hints.
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    Very best thing you can do is pack what you think you'll need and then take notes during the trip. You'll find out what works for you, what you use and don't use, as well as what works for food... You can read all day long and listen to advice from the best but trial by fire is really the only way to go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timothyclaus View Post
    Alan! Yes!! I'm in too.. +1.

    Check out bikepacking.net for ride setups. bikepacking.net > Personal setups

    Check out Salsa blog for packing tips n hints.
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    Very best thing you can do is pack what you think you'll need and then take notes during the trip. You'll find out what works for you, what you use and don't use, as well as what works for food... You can read all day long and listen to advice from the best but trial by fire is really the only way to go!
    "Trail by fire"?? - That is how I approached all my past relationships and it did not work out too well for me!

    Getting my gear and bike dialed and looking forward to this. Thanks to freeskier46 for organizing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Ride, hang out, camp, repeat. That's bikepacking.
    You left out the part about wanting to quit, becoming utterly exhausted, stomach issues, and my favorite, taking trailside naps

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    Quote Originally Posted by markphx View Post
    You left out the part about wanting to quit, becoming utterly exhausted, stomach issues, and my favorite, taking trailside naps
    Keep your NMES experiences to yourself!! Remember, the first BP ride is to sucker them in, then enter the AZT300.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Keep your NMES experiences to yourself!! Remember, the first BP ride is to sucker them in, then enter the AZT300.
    My apologies, the SFBFL beating is still lingering. Bikepacking can be a blast, especially when undertaking reasonable mileage/climbing levels. As with anything, it can become too much of a good thing if one is not careful.

    I'd like to attend to test out my new rig, but I'm not sure I'll have it built and fitted in time. Plus, it seems as if any ride I've committed to lately I ended up bailing on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_AlanS View Post
    I'm in. Planning on camping Friday night as well. Do you have a specific campsite in mind or first location you find off AZ 87?

    As a first time bikepacker, my biggest question is food and water. Will there be a water source near the camp that can be filtered? Suggestions for food that is packable, I definitely want to keep it simple.

    Also, being new to this, I purchased a Revelate sweet roll for the bars and seat bag, any packing order recommendations from past experience such as what to pack on the bars verses seat bag etc.
    Not a specific campsite, just the general area near AZ87/FR300. Chad and I started from here last year and there seemed to be plenty of space for parking/camping.

    Unless someone has a very recent report from the cabin loop area, I've typically seen running water along the Fred Haught trail where is doubles as the AZT and out by Aspen Spring where we'll be camping Sat. night.

    Tim is right re: food/setup, bring what you like re: food. For setup, assuming I have all my gear, I roll my sleeping pad around my 1-man tent & put that inside my handlebar bag, attach my sleeping bag to the outside of that. I put my heaviest items, tools, batteries, etc in my frame bag. Seat bag: any extra clothes, stove, food. I've been trying to lighten my pack load & only using it for water and some food. That's just me.

    Here's a pic of my rig fully loaded: (feed bag by the stem & spare tube in the gas tank by the seatpost)
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    Alan - did you find the bags here in town, and if so where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_AlanS View Post
    I'm in. Planning on camping Friday night as well. Do you have a specific campsite in mind or first location you find off AZ 87?

    As a first time bikepacker, my biggest question is food and water. Will there be a water source near the camp that can be filtered? Suggestions for food that is packable, I definitely want to keep it simple.

    Also, being new to this, I purchased a Revelate sweet roll for the bars and seat bag, any packing order recommendations from past experience such as what to pack on the bars verses seat bag etc.
    Water is trickiest part of the whole trip. Especially now in the Summer, the requirements go way up. I carried a Camelback with 100oz and 3 cages with 25 water bottles two weeks ago in Flagg. My frame has room for 2 and the extra one was a velcro strap on - it worked really well. So I had 175 oz all together. Chlorine dioxide tablets are nice and a light back up. Filter or UV pen is nice too if you know that there will be water sources.
    A lot of those dry in up in the summer.
    Don't let John's subhuman water requirements fool you - you will need plenty of water in July.
    Refill fully at every opportunity you get.

    Food, shelter, etc. - easy to manage in comparison.

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    I won't be ready physically (shape or gear) for this round-but I want to thank all the folks putting this on. I hope it is a success because I would really like an initiation like this one when I am ready to roll. Until then- gotta beat my goal of top 50% finisher in some 50+ride/races. Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    Alan - did you find the bags here in town, and if so where?
    Ordered online directly thru Relevate. At my door in less than 1-week.

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    I really also would love to try this one day. Although I may need to get a 2nd bike (nothing wrong with looking for an excuse for another bike) as my bike is already about 35 pounds.
    Definately appreciate that you are arranging these rides though.
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    Intro to Bikepacking: Mogollon Rim - July (12) 13-14

    I spent the evening expanding my favorites tab with bike packing related stuff.

    For the pros- I am really intrigued with the cheaper pack methods because I am a cheap a$$. Any thing I should watch out for besides ease of use issues?


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    Quote Originally Posted by tysonnemb View Post
    I really also would love to try this one day. Although I may need to get a 2nd bike (nothing wrong with looking for an excuse for another bike) as my bike is already about 35 pounds.
    Definately appreciate that you are arranging these rides though.
    FYI: My bike without gear is 29lbs, so it's not exactly a featherweight, don't let that stop you from the experience. Bikepacking rides don't have to be 60-80 mile per day outings like some of us are prone to do. Dial in your setup with shorter rides, then when you get that lighter tricked out ride most of your questions will be answered.

    Quote Originally Posted by cstem View Post
    I spent the evening expanding my favorites tab with bike packing related stuff.

    For the pros- I am really intrigued with the cheaper pack methods because I am a cheap a$$. Any thing I should watch out for besides ease of use issues?
    Far from pro or expert as this stuff, but the age old saying holds true here as well. You often get what you pay for. As you already know, bikes have to be tough to withstand our AZ trails, same applies for gear. It took me almost 2 years to amass all my bikepacking crap. IMO, the one item you really don't want to sell yourself short is the seatbag. I don't sew, but those that I know who can, say the seatbag is the toughest to figure out. In other words, just buy one from Revelate and call it done. I tried the cheap alternative: strapping a drybag below the seat. Didn't work so well.

    Framebags are a bit easier to go cheap, I had my sis-in-law sew one up for me, see above pic, and it's been holding up well for over a year now.

    Handlebar setup can also be done on the cheap, my first iteration was nothing more than a homemade sling copied off Raybum's design combo'd with an REI drybag & some straps. I ended up eventually upgrading to a full handlebar bag (Phantom Pack Systems, Revelate was sold out at the time). My sling setup tended to shift left/right every now and then, hence the upgrade.

    I set a $200 budget for my sleeping pad & sleeping bag. That pretty much ensured I wasn't buying a 32º down bag, so I went with a 32º synthetic bag - Ultra Lumina from Mountain Hardware. Found it online on sale for $119. I then found a Big Agnes mummy air mattress (yeah, i like to sleep in comfort sometimes) for $79 and my sleep system was complete.

    I opted for a 1-man tent, Contrail Tarptent, over a bivy. Again, I went for comfort for ME, others prefer bivies - to each their own. Picked up the tent for around $200 the following year.

    I found a stove on Amazon for $9.95 with free shipping last year, the thing is super tiny and works great!

    For a ground cover I went to Lowe's and had them give me the wrapping the lumber ships in. They were happy to hand it over...for FREE. That stuff is essentially Tyvek, I cut a piece large enough for the tent footprint. It's super light and folds down ultra small.

    A couple months ago I used my 20% off coupon & dividend from REI to pick up a Sawyer squeeze water filter. I've taken it on a few rides, but haven't needed it. Yet.

    Long story short(er): make a list, prioritize it, set a budget, start hunting. As soon as you can carry the bare essentials on a ride...GO FOR IT!!

    As an example, last April was my first bikepacking ride. I was unsure how it would go, so a buddy and I parked our vehicle @Freeman Rd. water cache. We loaded our bikes as if we were going into the wilds, but did a lollipop Ripsey ride and camped out next to the truck. It gave us a little peace of mind for the first outing, but we still felt like it was a 'real' bikepack. My second bikepack was the AZT300 two weeks later, NO TENT, NO WATER FILTER, I just went for it. I planned on using my ground cover as a make-shift shelter if needed & I figured I could ride faucet to faucet. You get the idea.

    Hope that helps.
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    Backcountry has a killer deal on the Lumina 35. Around 2 lbs for $80.
    I got one couple of weeks ago and used it. It was definitely warm up enough. The zipper can snug a bit and no way I could fit in the provided bag - I just stuffed it right in to my sweet roll.

    I used a Nemo tent... I would rather use a bivy next time though - if only I can get over my claustrophobia.

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    I bought a zpacks 20 degree bag. It is just 18oz. I probably would have been ok with the 30 degree bag (16oz). I sleep cold so would rather have the extra 2oz than sleep cold.
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    Thanks, John, for putting this trip together!

    I am considering just bringing a hammock for this trip. Are there trees in the area where we will be camping?
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    Marty,
    I'm sure we'll find a few!! Trees all around up there.
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    Big, fat pines around Aspen! Great shade also.

    Last week Aspen Spring was running a little slower and shallower, but still enough water from the spring to fill bladders. My wife's at the cabin this weekend so I'll have more info after I talk to her.

    Unfortunately, we leave for family vacation the 13th. Bummer I'll miss it.
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    Looking forward to it!

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    Same here Bob!!

    How many of you plan on camping out Friday night?? I'm hoping to be on the road north around 3pm Fri. afternoon.
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    I wish I could of done this but I will be doing the 12 hours at night in Presott. Kinda the same thing right!

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    Just got the a email that the 12 hours at night has postponed to the end of July so now I am trying to make this work. Have you decided on a route yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28/29 WIT View Post
    Have you decided on a route yet?
    Yeah, see the OP for all the details. There's a link at the bottom of that post for the .gpx files too. Hope you can make it.
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    It looks like I can get some stuff together to make this trip. My biggest concern is how much water are you guys bringing? I do not have a water filter but can carry about 150oz. I will more than likely camp out friday too.

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    I'll be carrying 100oz + bottle and I'll have a filter. I know a few others will have filters too if needed. Glad you can make it, see you on Friday.
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    John I hope I can borow your filter to fill up my res. when we get to our camp spot.
    This is new for me and I dont have one yet. I will be up there Friday night too, I will look for you at those GPS coords you gave out the other day (FB). Can't wait
    I need to ride more and work less.

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    here is my setup so far

    My first setup
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    I need to ride more and work less.

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    No problem on the water fileter. See you on Friday!!
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    I plan on leaving around 5pm on friday and heading up. I won't be able to look at a map until tonight so is fr300 north of payson? If so how close to pine or the control road? I will be driving a green xterra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28/29 WIT View Post
    I plan on leaving around 5pm on friday and heading up. I won't be able to look at a map until tonight so is fr300 north of payson? If so how close to pine or the control road? I will be driving a green xterra.

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    Doug,
    FR300 is up on top of the rim, past Pine & Strawberry. It's a good 30 minutes or more past Payson. AZ87 will crest the rim, then you'll come to the 260 split for Cottonwood, stay on 87 and a little over 2 miles later you'll come to a signed turnoff for FR300 on the right. Hopefully a few of us will be there already. I'll be driving a red Nissan Juke.

    BTW, it's currently 70º in Clint's Well, just down the road from our start/finish.

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    I'd recommend you add a jersey...you know...for the benefit of the other riders...

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    Hope you guys have a great time.
    I'll be at Legofest with the Grandkids.
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    Scout the area out for another trip.
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    Out of ten people for this trip I was the only one who could not stay the night so why they are all sleeping under the stars I will post some pics from today.
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    Here are a few more pics.
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    What a crazy ride! I'm exhausted but happy. Four of us decided to take the AZT all the way back today instead of dumping back out onto FR300. WOW that AZT passage was amazing (with the exception of the completely demoralizing and brutal hike-a-bike up out of Blue Ridge Reservoir). I can't wait to go bikpacking again! I have a TON of pictures to go through but I'll try and get some posted in the next day or two.

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    A huge thank you to John, Brian, Bob and everyone else that had a hand in the planning and organization for this event. I had a blast and learned a lot from the experience. Here are a few of my photos from the trip.Attachment 816422
    Pre ride setup on the Krampus
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    Tim and Ashley getting ready
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    Rolling up to one of the many view points
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    And a few more photos.
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    A couple of casualties from the ride. Lesson #1, seat posts flex, dropper seat posts flex more, big tires and short chain stays = minimal clearance between the tire and the seat bag.
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    Something doesn't look quite right.
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    Perhaps this is part of the reason my seat bag was rubbing on the rear tire.
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    Looks like a great time. So bummed that I missed it.

    Next time for sure!
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    Great pics Alan & Doug. Alan, I had a similar casualty with my seatbag a few months ago, luckily I figured out how to cinch the bag up better for a more snug fit. Slap a piece of gorilla tape over that hole & it'll be fine, I'm still on my original piece from October! Obviously yours was related to the busted seat rail, too much POWER!!
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    Hope to make the next one.
    When's the next one?
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    Too much power?, more like too much resting my tired ass on the seat when I should have been standing. There is definitely a method to loading the seatbag to make it flatter/wider to get more tire clearance if needed. Tim showed my how to pack my Jet Boil sideways and use it to widen the load in the bag, worked great.

    Even after reloading, strapping and adjusting, I only had about 11/2 - 2 inches of clearance to the rear tire. Those 29+ Knard tires are tall.

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    Ah man that sucks!!! I hope you get a stronger seat next time Alan
    I need to ride more and work less.

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    Alan, I was bottoming out on my seat bag during my dry run and one thing that solved most of my problems (besides lifting the saddle a little bit) was adding more air to the rear suspension to compensate for the added weight. I think I only bottomed out on the bag maybe 2 or 3 times the entire trip! I also put some gorilla tape on the bottom (as John suggested) as a preventative measure.

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    He can't add any air to a hardtail. :-)
    I need to ride more and work less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liteandfast View Post
    He can't add any air to a hardtail. :-)
    I can barely remember everyone's name and now I'm supposed to remember his bike too? :P

    Alan had the fat tire bike right?

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    Yes that's right he did.
    I need to ride more and work less.

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