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    A hole off bell pathway in Sedona!

    Today I was out on a hike with my brother, my girlfriend, her 3 year old sister, and my 13 week old blue heeler on a trail off of bell pathway that I usually only see 1 to 3 other people in any single hike. I'm training my pup to hike off her leash so she can ride with me when she is older. I keep her leash with me and I always keep her on it while in town or even on busy trails. I rarely have a problem with her running up to people and when I do they are typically understanding and not threatened by my 10 pound puppy.

    However, today I ran into a guy that really pissed me off. As we were hiking on this less traveled section I heard a bike approaching from the rear. I hollered at my dog who was 5 feet away to come, she freezed but did not come to me because she was scared of the bike. She was not in the center of the trail and although the biker slowed down, he did not have to stop for her. I said "sorry buddy" to which he replied, in front of my girlfriend and her 3 year old sister, "Get a F***ing leash!" For a second I was stunned that this fat turd would be so inconsiderate in front of my family and I reacted inappropriately by yelling some choice words after him. He gave me the finger. I wanted to run him down, which would not have been a big problem with this guy, but my girlfriend discouraged me from getting into a confrontation in front of a child. As always, she is the better of the two of us. When we got to the parking lot, i did a quick lap searching for him so I could tell him what a miserable human being he was, but he was gone. My girlfriend said that she though she saw him leaving in a black truck with tinted windows. It may not have been him, but it may have.

    I write this mainly to vent but also to address this man on the off chance he will read this. Shame on you for having zero respect for the woman and the child I was with, and shame on you for being such a coward that you couldn't address me to my face. Try being a tough guy while looking me in the eyes. You are the only person I have ever encountered on that trail that was anything other than decent and polite. You are a miserable human, I feel sorry for anyone that has such a poor disposition towards life. Your life will be sad and lonely.

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    Your dog training issues are not his issues. I'm sure he didn't appreciate being used as a dog training aid. He had no idea if your mutt was going to run under his wheels or not and you don't either. Of course your dog is a brilliant prodigy and would never do such a thing and this guy should have taken one look at you both and known this ?

    GET YOUR $#@%@# DOG ON A LEASH ! (I used all caps so the kiddies can hear it)

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    He wasn't a training aid, my dog wasn't in his way. And if he hit my dog how would that have injured him? Maybe where you're from people don't ride in the wilderness with their dogs. But it's good to know you take the side of the person who curses at women and children... another real man, another fine example of moral integrity. How about asking "get your dog on a leash" or "thats against the rules in this area, please watch your animal". But again, its prolly way easier and more effective to curse at a child, right? Sorry your daddy didn't love you JohnniO

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    I usually do not respond to comments about dogs, however when I run or bike the trails here in Flagstaff I believe owners should keep their dogs on a leash for two reasons. The first being that I have been bitten 4 times by dogs that were not leashed.These were not little nips either, in some cases my running or riding had to be stopped due to bleeding. In all these incidences the owners have said that their dogs have been trained (yeah right). The second reason being that I have had dogs chase and follow me for a long period of time. I then have to stop, turn around and lead the dog back to the owner because the dog has no idea where to go.

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    i was hoping this thread contained a pic of some sort of cool geological anomaly in the ground, ideally followed by cooler pics of bikes bunnyhopping said anomaly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    i was hoping to see a pic of some sort of cool geological anomaly in the ground, ideally followed by cooler pics of bikes bunnyhopping said anomaly...
    Judging by the posters inability to see how utterly in the wrong he is, this thread has potential fodder for a Monday morning wein pic thread
    Last edited by JohnniO; 08-19-2010 at 10:17 AM.

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    one more
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    today i saw a family of woodchucks and none of them were on a leash. i thought they were going to carjack me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    today i saw a family of woodchucks and none of them were on a leash. i thought they were going to carjack me.
    you said wood

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    Rancid, the guy acted like an a-Hole with out doubt. But you have to admit if your dog was leashed when this guy rode by, you would have exchanged "hello's" in passing and life would have gone on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm
    Rancid, the guy acted like an a-Hole with out doubt. But you have to admit if your dog was leashed when this guy rode by, you would have exchanged "hello's" in passing and life would have gone on.
    Agreed. I am not without fault for having my dog unleashed regardless of whether or not most the guys I ride with ride with their dogs. However, I did apologize and I would accept any polite comments the rider had offered. What I cannot tolerate was his needless disrespect for myself, and more importantly for those with me. To yell curses at a child is the greater fault, she could not understand why he had yelled at her. Disagreements between men should remain that way. I find it an interesting social commentary that this entire discussion is about leashes and that there are no critisisms for acosting women and children.

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    if i was riding by an unleashed dog and i thought for a second it might be tempted to bite me, i'd use a nun as a human shield... adreniline > etiquette

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    rancid,
    You should move to the child proofed side of the planet.

    The only social comentary is you complaining about you braking the rules and getting your panties in a bunch because someone calls you out on it.

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    now did this guy specifically call out the DOG for not being leashed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    rancid,
    You should move to the child proofed side of the planet.

    The only social comentary is you complaining about you braking the rules and getting your panties in a bunch because someone calls you out on it.
    If a man cuts me off in traffic and I fire bullits into his car striking his child it is his fault for provoking it? Because that is an inflated example of your beliefs. What's the world like in black and white?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidmeat1
    If a man cuts me off in traffic and I fire bullits into his car striking his child it is his fault for provoking it? Because that is an inflated example of your beliefs. What's the world like in black and white?
    ummm ok. Get your @#$%^& dog on a leash.
    Last edited by JohnniO; 08-19-2010 at 10:17 AM.

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    Why the hell not..



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry-daddy
    Why the hell not..


    Ties in nicely to the black and white theme he requested..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    ummm ok. Get your @#$%^& dog on a leash.
    Excellent rebuttle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Ties in nicely to the black and white theme he requested..
    I have no argument for this. I concede defeat

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    why don't you give credit where credit is due......the dalmatian on the bike sent you over the edge.....be a man and admit it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidmeat1
    I have no argument for this. I concede defeat
    If you wont put your dog on a leash you should at least put a sweater on fido in case he gets lost.
    Last edited by JohnniO; 08-19-2010 at 10:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    why don't you give credit where credit is due......the dalmatian on the bike sent you over the edge.....be a man and admit it!
    It combined both sides of the problem. I believe it's the solution I'm looking for

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    I agree that the choice of words when a child was present was not correct. On the other hand if you had your dog on a leash the situation would of been avoided.

    Also, what choice words did YOU yell in front of the child and girlfriend?

    Just out of curiosity after you rode and "did a lap around the parking lot," what did you plan to do? Give some more choice words in hope to pick a fight in front of the same child your trying to protect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidmeat1
    He wasn't a training aid, my dog wasn't in his way. And if he hit my dog how would that have injured him?
    Personally Ive gone over the bars when someones unleashed dog ran right in front of me when I was riding. Tell me how you can go OTB in Arizona and not get hurt.
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    you folks are funny .

    I opened the thread expecting some cool sinkhole pic in sedona.

    But this thread is the sinkhole.
    Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of
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    Keeping a dog on a leash is cruelty to animals. Let a dog be a dog.....and no I didn't pick up its crap!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clockwork
    you folks are funny .

    I opened the thread expecting some cool sinkhole pic in sedona.

    But this thread is the sinkhole.
    thank you for reiterating what i said in reply #5 yesterday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    i was hoping this thread contained a pic of some sort of cool geological anomaly in the ground, ideally followed by cooler pics of bikes bunnyhopping said anomaly...
    i was hoping for the same exact thing.... lol. sunny stuff....
    i like these odds....

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    Was this your puppy?
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    Just as bad as off leash is peeps that walk their dog on a 20' leash.. I had one of them dart in front of me last week.... I ran over the leash without incident. could have been bad tho.

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    People bike with their dogs all the time.

    I think its proper training for dogs to be off their leash so they know when and how to respond to the owner. Granted this should have been done off the trail and away from people first, then slowly brought into that enviroment. But still a very small issue here. Everyone seems to be over reacting a bit.

    I usually bring my pup to local trails with little to no traffic and I don't like to leash him. I will tie him up if I want to take a run or when someone comes by. But the last thing I want is some cursing at me and my family to put a leash on him.

    Dogs don't want to bite you because they are leashed. If they want to attack they will. Just be smart about it... know when to call them back, and make sure they know how to respond when you do take them out... and pick up after them!

    Thats my .02

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ border pig
    I agree that the choice of words when a child was present was not correct. On the other hand if you had your dog on a leash the situation would of been avoided.

    Also, what choice words did YOU yell in front of the child and girlfriend?

    Just out of curiosity after you rode and "did a lap around the parking lot," what did you plan to do? Give some more choice words in hope to pick a fight in front of the same child your trying to protect?

    DITTO!

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    Nice pics JRock....I'm always amazed how much my dog likes to run in snow up past her shoulders....

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    took my dog out for her first day of DH runs on Mingus mnt.....off the leash on all three runs and hikers loved her...

    She pooed twice and I didn't pick, we are a F'n forest...

    I agree with most of the above posts, should had the pup on the leash, even on lesser traveled trails while hiking....and you where really looking for a fight. SAD MAN...just sad, I bet your one of those road rage people....Scary..

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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidmeat1
    You are a miserable human, I feel sorry for anyone that has such a poor disposition towards life. Your life will be sad and lonely.
    Wow... I'd say this is a bit over the top considering the situation. It sounds like a couple of hot-heads encountered each other on the trail, one started a pissing match and the other couldn't let it go.

    Anyone can be judged as the deepest form of scum at their low moments, but they usually turn out to be normal, imperfect people. It seems like you are just as far from perfect as he is (and I am for that mater).

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    Quote Originally Posted by clockwork
    you folks are funny .

    I opened the thread expecting some cool sinkhole pic in sedona.

    But this thread is the sinkhole.

    I thought the exact same thing! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokenspokesSteve-o
    She pooed twice and I didn't pick, we are a F'n forest...
    As long as if its off the trail... having poo fling up back at you makes a good run "sh!tty"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leethal
    I thought the exact same thing! LOL
    +1! There should definitely be a hyphen in there so we know its going to be somebody b!tching instead of a thread about some cool Sedona feature...
    Disclaimer: Bo does not actually know anything at all.

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    I think the cursing fat a$$ rider is the jerk...there is no reason to come speeding on a bike, get upset because a puppy is in the way, then curse in front of a child and take off like a scared hoodlum. I'm a rider too, but I don't understand why everybody is ganging up on the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForestHorse
    I don't understand why everybody is ganging up on the OP.
    the FOR THE CHILDREN part did it for me.

    and JohnnieO as a Populist Icon - that's entertainment

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    Just tell the butthead to go back to New York where he came from, there are buttheads everywhere, I know as my dogs are off leash all the time.
    Personally with my full grown dogs I'd just say 'sick 'em!' Bet he wouldn't do it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rancidmeat1
    ...When we got to the parking lot, i did a quick lap searching for him....
    Listen Orphans....... I know it is fun to wrestle. A nice piledrive to the face... or a punch to the face... but you cannot do it. Because, it is in the Bible not to wrestle your neighbour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abegold
    Just tell the butthead to go back to New York where he came from, there are buttheads everywhere, I know as my dogs are off leash all the time.
    Personally with my full grown dogs I'd just say 'sick 'em!' Bet he wouldn't do it again.
    I know you're joking but that approach didn't work to well for this guy with his dogs off leash. You just don't know who you're going to run into and/or their tolerance for your pet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball
    the FOR THE CHILDREN part did it for me.

    and JohnnieO as a Populist Icon - that's entertainment
    I saw bait and I took it. Beer and bait do it every time.

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    Arizona ...
    best regional forum for entertainment.

    NorCal is always all serious.

    Keep up the good work AZ!

    BTW I too was expecting an anomalous geologic feature
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I too am disappointed that this thread is free of actual gaping holes...excepting one or two of the posters.

    And if he hit my dog how would that have injured him?
    Yeah, what kind of a wuss is bothered by accidentally running down a puppy in front of a 3 year old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whyaduck
    I too am disappointed that this thread is free of actual gaping holes...excepting one or two of the posters.



    Yeah, what kind of a wuss is bothered by accidentally running down a puppy in front of a 3 year old?
    Since everyone is expecting a hole...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Since everyone is expecting a hole...
    AZ1jeffs wife....

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