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    Heads up on trail etiquette and the Arizona Trail.

    Sounds like some complaints have been coming through. As a group that is under constant fire we need to be on our best behavior. Thanks for reading and helping us out! If you ride with "that guy" maybe help them understand why it's important to us to follow the basic trail rules and that will help us all.

    This is from the FBO facebook page.

    We were contacted today by Arizona Trail Association leadership regarding several reports of badly behaved mountain bikers on the Arizona Trail, primarily between Schultz Pass and Snowbowl, and we suspect primarily descending from Snowbowl.

    PLEASE RIDE COURTEOUSLY!

    Although we are huge fans of shuttling the descent from Snowbowl to Fort Valley, we really want to make sure this opportunity is kept open to everyone.

    Please:

    -Always yield to uphill traffic.
    -Always yield to hikers and equestrians.
    -Always politely announce your presence when approaching from behind, and pass slowly.
    -When passing horses or allowing horses to pass, dismount to the downhill side of the trail. Predators attack from above, and horse have evolved to fear animals perched above them.
    -Talk to horses and riders. This helps identify you as a person, and not a threat, to the horse.
    -Consider purchasing a bell to help communicate your presence on trails.
    -Do not outride your line of sight and keep your bike under control.

    One of our greatest goals as an organization is maintaining good relations with other trail users. Every time we ride on public trails, we should be ambassadors for our sport.

    Please be friendly and polite!

    Thank you!

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    Thanks for the heads up!
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    Sounds like some complaints have been coming through. As a group that is under constant fire we need to be on our best behavior. Thanks for reading and helping us out! If you ride with "that guy" maybe help them understand why it's important to us to follow the basic trail rules and that will help us all.

    This is from the FBO facebook page.

    We were contacted today by Arizona Trail Association leadership regarding several reports of badly behaved mountain bikers on the Arizona Trail, primarily between Schultz Pass and Snowbowl, and we suspect primarily descending from Snowbowl.

    PLEASE RIDE COURTEOUSLY!



    Although we are huge fans of shuttling the descent from Snowbowl to Fort Valley, we really want to make sure this opportunity is kept open to everyone.

    Please:

    -Always yield to uphill traffic.
    -Always yield to hikers and equestrians.
    -Always politely announce your presence when approaching from behind, and pass slowly.
    -When passing horses or allowing horses to pass, dismount to the downhill side of the trail. Predators attack from above, and horse have evolved to fear animals perched above them.
    -Talk to horses and riders. This helps identify you as a person, and not a threat, to the horse.
    -Consider purchasing a bell to help communicate your presence on trails.
    -Do not outride your line of sight and keep your bike under control.

    One of our greatest goals as an organization is maintaining good relations with other trail users. Every time we ride on public trails, we should be ambassadors for our sport.

    Please be friendly and polite!

    Thank you!
    I would venture a guess that every MBR viewer that reads the OP's post follows his suggestions. If anyone doesn't please let us know why you do something different from his suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    I would venture a guess that every MBR viewer that reads the OP's post follows his suggestions. If anyone doesn't please let us know why you do something different from his suggestions.
    True, but it's good to let us know there are those out there not doing it, so we can keep our eyes open, and hopefully let them know what they are doing wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    True, but it's good to let us know there are those out there not doing it, so we can keep our eyes open, and hopefully let them know what they are doing wrong.


    How should we make them change their behavior? Is it OK to get physical or do we give them a co​py of the regs and ride on.

    Is it OK to pass someone coming uphill on a bike if there is room to pass? Does the AZ trail have any sections to pass riders coming up hill or are you supposed to stop for every rider riding uphill?

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    No need to get......

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    Just pass on the word to fellow riders and hopefully it will reach outward. What else can we do? There will always be a few bad apples in every group but by just behaving better ourselves we can help create a better situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    No need to get......

    Olivia Newton-John - Physical - YouTube

    Just pass on the word to fellow riders and hopefully it will reach outward. What else can we do? There will always be a few bad apples in every group but by just behaving better ourselves we can help create a better situation.
    If I see the OP riding up hill on a wide spot is it OK to keep riding? I personally don't care if riders pass me while I am riding uphill in a wide spot. Personally I have never thought someone was a jerk for continuing to ride by me while I was riding uphill, I guess that's the renegade in me.

    As a mountain biker I don't think I have ever had a terrible riding experience when other riders ride past me coming from the opposite direction. Even those riders who overtake me and ride off trial to get by me don't annoy me. It seems like part of having a great ride on the bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    True, but it's good to let us know there are those out there not doing it, so we can keep our eyes open, and hopefully let them know what they are doing wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    If I see the OP riding up hill on a wide spot is it OK to keep riding? I personally don't care if riders pass me while I am riding uphill in a wide spot. Personally I have never thought someone was a jerk for continuing to ride by me while I was riding uphill, I guess that's the renegade in me.

    As a mountain biker I don't think I have ever had a terrible riding experience when other riders ride past me coming from the opposite direction. Even those riders who overtake me and ride off trial to get by me don't annoy me. It seems like part of having a great ride on the bike.
    I think it all comes down to reading the oncoming trail user's body language. If they look confrontational or angry than give em a bit of extra love. It's not that hard really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
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    Honestly, the only time I've ever had a bad experience was from dues who wear Spandex team looking kit and bomb down the trails on race hardtails with a scowl on their face. Roadie scum with a front suspension.

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    I follow all the rules the OP states but there is still one situation that gets me a negative reaction. When I'm coming up on a hiker from behind with headphones on. Usually I don't manage to get their attention until I'm right on them. They get startled and over react. I pass slowly and apologize but still get the cold stare. Any suggestions?

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    I already posted this on Facebook but here it goes again.....Me and another rider got chewed out by two women on horses for dinging our bells while on the AZ trail. They said it scared their horses, then when they finally got the courage up to pass us, they made us stop talking, that also scared their horses. We were very polite, got very far off the trail, and did everything they asked, yet we still got an ear full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    I already posted this on Facebook but here it goes again.....Me and another rider got chewed out by two women on horses for dinging our bells while on the AZ trail. They said it scared their horses, then when they finally got the courage up to pass us, they made us stop talking, that also scared their horses. We were very polite, got very far off the trail, and did everything they asked, yet we still got an ear full.

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    Was the other person riding with you a graduate of a law enforcement academy? I very rarely encounter equestrians while riding my bike, and when I do I feel sorry for them because they are a dying breed. When do you ever see a person under 40 riding a horse on a mountain biking trail?

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    I love my bell and use it religiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il2mb View Post
    I follow all the rules the OP states but there is still one situation that gets me a negative reaction. When I'm coming up on a hiker from behind with headphones on. Usually I don't manage to get their attention until I'm right on them. They get startled and over react. I pass slowly and apologize but still get the cold stare. Any suggestions?
    Not much you can do if they want to blast their music in their ears rather than be aware of what they are surrounded by. . . I'd just keep doing what you're doing and don't let them get you down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    I already posted this on Facebook but here it goes again.....Me and another rider got chewed out by two women on horses for dinging our bells while on the AZ trail. They said it scared their horses, then when they finally got the courage up to pass us, they made us stop talking, that also scared their horses. We were very polite, got very far off the trail, and did everything they asked, yet we still got an ear full.

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    good for you for keeping it polite - that's a prerequisite. That said, the very few times I've been around an irresponsible equestrian I (politely) make it clear that its a multiuse trail and they are putting me at risk if they can not control their animal while others use the trail in a responsible manner. I would have also taken their pic.

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    I wanted to print a copy of the actual law that pertains to right of way regulations, so that when I encounter a situation that the law has been broken I can show the individual who broke the law why they should obey the law in the future. So far I am unable to find the actual law, can someone please post a link that I can use to print a copy.

    I want to be on the right side of the law when I stop someone who is screwing up. I think it would be a good idea to post the actual law at large trailhead entrances.

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    Great.. TrailDoc is become TrailCop.

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    This all reminds me of the funniest trail encounter Ive had in awhile. I was riding up the West side of Cats Peak Trail in Usery and encountered some fellow mountain bikers on the "steeper" rocky section near the top. I was climbing about half way up when the first guy started coming down. He yelled "Look out..... Coming thru". I didnt even break stride as I was in mid climb so the first guy veers off the trail to my right, into desert. I kept climbing. the second guy comes over the crest sees me and veers off the trail into a cactus. I keep climbing. Then I meet the third guy near the top who just stopped, couldnt unclip, and just falls over into a tree. I asked him if he was ok as I pedaled right on by. I couldnt stop laughing for 5 min.
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    My last run-in rolling up to an ipodded hiker went like this:

    me: "excuse me"
    biped: nothing
    me: "on your left"
    biped: zip
    me: "on your right"
    biped: nada
    me: "coming through"
    biped: braindead
    me: "HEYYYY"
    biped: walking dead
    me: slowed to a crawling climb 3 feet behind until what must have been a gap between tunes and finally got some passing room.

    Conclusion: I was 100% etiquette compliant except for one yell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    This all reminds me of the funniest trail encounter Ive had in awhile. I was riding up the West side of Cats Peak Trail in Usery and encountered some fellow mountain bikers on the "steeper" rocky section near the top. I was climbing about half way up when the first guy started coming down. He yelled "Look out..... Coming thru". I didnt even break stride as I was in mid climb so the first guy veers off the trail to my right, into desert. I kept climbing. the second guy comes over the crest sees me and veers off the trail into a cactus. I keep climbing. Then I meet the third guy near the top who just stopped, couldnt unclip, and just falls over into a tree. I asked him if he was ok as I pedaled right on by. I couldnt stop laughing for 5 min.
    I did something similar and congratulated the rider for doing a couple flips down a steep embankment without hurting himself. After he started yelling at me I handed him the print out of the right of way laws, that shut him up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    I already posted this on Facebook but here it goes again.....Me and another rider got chewed out by two women on horses for dinging our bells while on the AZ trail. They said it scared their horses, then when they finally got the courage up to pass us, they made us stop talking, that also scared their horses. We were very polite, got very far off the trail, and did everything they asked, yet we still got an ear full.

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    That's a neat trick I'd love to use.....how did they make you stop talking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    This all reminds me of the funniest trail encounter Ive had in awhile. I was riding up the West side of Cats Peak Trail in Usery and encountered some fellow mountain bikers on the "steeper" rocky section near the top. I was climbing about half way up when the first guy started coming down. He yelled "Look out..... Coming thru". I didnt even break stride as I was in mid climb so the first guy veers off the trail to my right, into desert. I kept climbing. the second guy comes over the crest sees me and veers off the trail into a cactus. I keep climbing. Then I meet the third guy near the top who just stopped, couldnt unclip, and just falls over into a tree. I asked him if he was ok as I pedaled right on by. I couldnt stop laughing for 5 min.
    and then you cramped, and asked for training advice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    I wanted to print a copy of the actual law that pertains to right of way regulations, so that when I encounter a situation that the law has been broken I can show the individual who broke the law why they should obey the law in the future. So far I am unable to find the actual law, can someone please post a link that I can use to print a copy.

    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    I did something similar and congratulated the rider for doing a couple flips down a steep embankment without hurting himself. After he started yelling at me I handed him the print out of the right of way laws, that shut him up.

    How does this work?

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    No not this time. It wasn't 'that' time of the month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    How does this work?
    I think we are having fun with the whole courtesy issue. Mountain bikers are the ones having the most fun on the trail and on MTBR. As a group we are very courteous, but we also have a couple bad apples that have to be slapped down once in awhile.

    You my friend are one of the good ones we are all indebted to you for your service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    How does this work?
    In the real world or in Trail Docs mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    -When passing horses or allowing horses to pass, dismount to the downhill side of the trail. Predators attack from above, and horse have evolved to fear animals perched above them.
    I was not aware of this...good info...thanks.

    In Motochick's scenario...if the horse and horse jockeys can't control themselves then they shouldn't be on a multi-use trail. Per the OP one of the best ways to avoid a horse going apeshit is to make some noise and communicate. Even when we're doing it right we still get crapped on. Good on you Motochick for keeping your cool...I likely wouldn't have been so cool if it was me in your shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsittman View Post
    I was not aware of this...good info...thanks.

    In Motochick's scenario...if the horse and horse jockeys can't control themselves then they shouldn't be on a multi-use trail. Per the OP one of the best ways to avoid a horse going apeshit is to make some noise and communicate. Even when we're doing it right we still get crapped on. Good on you Motochick for keeping your cool...I likely wouldn't have been so cool if it was me in your shoes.
    i've never seen a horse that works for a living get freaked out. These recreating horse are coddled, soft, lolligaggers...put em to work and then let's see if they still have these white horse problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by douger-1
    this all reminds me of the funniest trail encounter ive had in awhile. I was riding up the west side of cats peak trail in usery and encountered some fellow mountain bikers on the "steeper" rocky section near the top. I was climbing about half way up when the first guy started coming down. He yelled "look out..... Coming thru". I didnt even break stride as i was in mid climb so the first guy veers off the trail to my right, into desert. I kept climbing. The second guy comes over the crest sees me and veers off the trail into a cactus. I keep climbing. Then i meet the third guy near the top who just stopped, couldnt unclip, and just falls over into a tree. I asked him if he was ok as i pedaled right on by. I couldnt stop laughing for 5 min.
    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    and then you cramped, and asked for training advice?

    Bwahahahahahah!!!!!!

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    Yeah wow he really zinged me .......
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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    i've never seen a horse that works for a living get freaked out. These recreating horse are coddled, soft, lolligaggers...put em to work and then let's see if they still have these white horse problems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    This all reminds me of the funniest trail encounter Ive had in awhile. I was riding up the West side of Cats Peak Trail in Usery and encountered some fellow mountain bikers on the "steeper" rocky section near the top. I was climbing about half way up when the first guy started coming down. He yelled "Look out..... Coming thru". I didnt even break stride as I was in mid climb so the first guy veers off the trail to my right, into desert. I kept climbing. the second guy comes over the crest sees me and veers off the trail into a cactus. I keep climbing. Then I meet the third guy near the top who just stopped, couldnt unclip, and just falls over into a tree. I asked him if he was ok as I pedaled right on by. I couldnt stop laughing for 5 min.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    I think it all comes down to reading the oncoming trail user's body language. If they look confrontational or angry than give em a bit of extra love. It's not that hard really.
    I totally agree with what the OP said....but, your just not gonna make everyone happy. While riding down AZT in that section I saw a woman climbing from a distance. I slowed down and passed at a very slow speed and did not affect her climbing yet she commenced to chew my arse as I approached and continued after she passed me. It was apparent that she wanted me to stop a quarter mile away and hide in the bushes while she climbed past me without being disturbed at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jessh510 View Post
    I totally agree with what the OP said....but, your just not gonna make everyone happy. While riding down AZT in that section I saw a woman climbing from a distance. I slowed down and passed at a very slow speed and did not affect her climbing yet she commenced to chew my arse as I approached and continued after she passed me. It was apparent that she wanted me to stop a quarter mile away and hide in the bushes while she climbed past me without being disturbed at all.
    Usually you give way, pull off and stop for uphill riders. If they wave you through, then that's great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Usually you give way, pull off and stop for uphill riders. If they wave you through, then that's great.
    For me personally I love to be passed while climbing a section of trail wide enough to be passed on without a conflict. It kind of bums me out to see downhill riders stop when it's safe to pass.

    Does every rider have to stop who is riding down Shultz when they encounter someone riding uphill? What does the trail width have to be on downhill passing sections. This is getting pretty confusing.
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    stopping could lead to a poor user experience

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    When it's my turn to yield, coming to a dead stop, out of the way, and being polite may slightly interrupt the flow of my ride for a few seconds, but it sure makes a very long-lasting good impression on the people with the right of way.

    On top of that, I really get a great feeling when I can see that the other user is truly surprised to see me fully yield. It crushes their profiling.
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    ^^^^I agree, I am never in such a hurry to be anywhere, the longer I am out there the more fun I can have! Plus you never know, one of the riders could be really hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motochick View Post
    ^^^^I agree, I am never in such a hurry to be anywhere, the longer I am out there the more fun I can have! Plus you never know, one of the riders could be really hot!
    Well that explains why everyone always stops to let me by...
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    If I have room to pull over and stop I do no matter the direction.

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    I came up behind a pair of MTB'ers side by side chatting away to each other going down a 4wd trail once.
    I was on the 650 with a quiet exhaust and it wasn't until I was 10m away and by skidding the rear that I got their attention.

    I could have used the horn, but I reserve the 132dB Brown Pants Model Stebel for errant motorists.

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    I have been noticing more and more bad trail etiquette in Flag town this summer.

    In fact, 2 weeks ago I pulled off to let a group of hikers pass on the AZT between snow bowl and 418. It was a Saturday and it was busy on the trail with hikers and bikers.

    One of the ladies in the group said "Wow, Thanks! You are the first biker to actually stop and let us by."

    I told her that it was a damn shame as she had the right of way.

    I am officially over people not yielding to uphill traffic on single track. I don't care if YOU think there is plenty of room, the rules are the rules. You can count on me saying something every time.

    I am not a shuttle or gravity guy at all. Just a trail rider with all mountain tendencies. People always seem to pin this on the down hill scene.

    In my experience, failure to yield leading to confrontations has primarily been with lycra clad, ipod listening, racer types on xc bikes. That has just been my experience in Flag.

    Bottom line is we need to self regulate this crap or someone will do it for us.

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    Honestly, I'm really thankful that on Mo and Wed I'm done with class by 12:30 and I'm done at 9 on Friday. I get the run of the place while all the other chumps are stuck in their p*ss jobs. I think I passed two bikes and one or two hikers today. I feel bad for the guys who are stuck in weekend warrior hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuctionGoat View Post
    I am officially over people not yielding to uphill traffic on single track. I don't care if YOU think there is plenty of room, the rules are the rules. You can count on me saying something every time.
    What are you going to say? "Fool don't you know right of way rules are a courtesy not the law? You are going to screw it up for all of us if you keep blowing past hikers without stopping every time you encounter them on the trail no matter how wide it is."

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    Re: Heads up on trail etiquette and the Arizona Trail.

    Dot dot dot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Patrick View Post
    When it's my turn to yield, coming to a dead stop, out of the way, and being polite may slightly interrupt the flow of my ride for a few seconds, but it sure makes a very long-lasting good impression on the people with the right of way.

    On top of that, I really get a great feeling when I can see that the other user is truly surprised to see me fully yield. It crushes their profiling.
    OMFG! How are you ever going to "get your flow" by pulling off for people! Next thing you know people are learning the rules and not jamming their handlebars into other's kidneys...
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    I heard only equestrians and hikers are allowed on Arizona mountain bike trails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    I did something similar and congratulated the rider for doing a couple flips down a steep embankment without hurting himself. After he started yelling at me I handed him the print out of the right of way laws, that shut him up.
    You carry a copy of the right away laws, what a douche.
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    Sorry for invading the Arizona forum (from WA)...just stumbled on this thread. Its been a fun read.

    My most enjoyable trail encounter was in 'City Creek Canyon' in Salt Lake back in 2000 when i was living there. I was running and riding at that stage so definitely paid a lot of attention to trail etiquette. City Creek was closed to bikes...so i was surprised to see a dude pedaling up the (narrow) single track towards me as i ran down.

    He looked up, saw me and dropped his head again...clearly intent on keeping riding and i was going nowhere...I managed to perfectly adjust my stride (half a step on the uphill bank) tuck my arm and perfectly check his shoulder to send him off on the downhill edge as I yelled "F$@#er". I would not digged to have been him.

    I felt pretty bad and watched my back for the final mile / two to the car - but hope he learnt his lesson. He wouldn't have known it was 'intentional contact'.

    I guess moral of the story is, "respect hikers / runners"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Sorry for invading the Arizona forum (from WA)...just stumbled on this thread. Its been a fun read.

    My most enjoyable trail encounter was in 'City Creek Canyon' in Salt Lake back in 2000 when i was living there. I was running and riding at that stage so definitely paid a lot of attention to trail etiquette. City Creek was closed to bikes...so i was surprised to see a dude pedaling up the (narrow) single track towards me as i ran down.

    He looked up, saw me and dropped his head again...clearly intent on keeping riding and i was going nowhere...I managed to perfectly adjust my stride (half a step on the uphill bank) tuck my arm and perfectly check his shoulder to send him off on the downhill edge as I yelled "F$@#er". I would not digged to have been him.

    I felt pretty bad and watched my back for the final mile / two to the car - but hope he learnt his lesson. He wouldn't have known it was 'intentional contact'.

    I guess moral of the story is, "respect hikers / runners"

    be riding your neck of the woods in December.
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    I Think It's About Expectations

    Quote Originally Posted by sfgiantsfan View Post
    You carry a copy of the right away laws, what a douche.
    I am not naive enough to think all users are going to be courteous during one of my rides. It doesn't upset me that they don't all follow the law because I have a more realistic of expectation of what my ride is going to encounter.

    I am out to have a fun ride and other user courtesy is not going to affect my enjoyment of a ride. That being said if someone breaks the law I like handing them the actual law to educate them. Who knows maybe they will become more aware of how their poor behavior is affecting the experience of users who have higher expectations then I do.

    When you go to a Giants game or watch it on TV does it matter to you whether they win or loose or do you have low expectations and just enjoy watching a ball game? Personally I get more enjoyment out riding my bike than watching someone else playing a game.

    If I run into some douche bags on a ride it is no big deal. Just being able ride is more important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    be riding your neck of the woods in December.
    Hip > shoulder; learn that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    I guess moral of the story is, "respect hikers / runners"
    Or the moral of the story is that you're a pathetic loser who has to use "unintentional" violence to prove your self-righteousness.

    Do us all a favor and stay home in December, eh?
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    ha ha...wow. Interesting response - wasnt being self righteous at all. Just a story.

    I mountain bike (and dont run anymore)..so I switched sides.

    If i was riding a hiking trail today and if i chose to not yield to a hiker / runner - I would say i got what i deserved if the same happened to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    ha ha...wow. Interesting response - wasnt being self righteous at all. Just a story.

    I mountain bike (and dont run anymore)..so I switched sides.

    If i was riding a hiking trail today and if i chose to not yield to a hiker / runner - I would say i got what i deserved if the same happened to me.
    not yielding == tossing someone down the mtn?
    what's wrong with "excuse me?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    ha ha...wow. Interesting response - wasnt being self righteous at all. Just a story.

    I mountain bike (and dont run anymore)..so I switched sides.

    If i was riding a hiking trail today and if i chose to not yield to a hiker / runner - I would say i got what i deserved if the same happened to me.
    Muttonchop: "Yeah, it was so cool. I didn't even check to see if the guy was alright. I heard he's paralyzed and homeless with his two small children. It's not like their wasn't room for me to go around, I used it to get a better angle to shove him off the trail after all. It's the principle. I'm so proud of myself I brag about it on internet forums. He got what he deserved."

    That's how you sort of come across. Self-righteous? Yeah, you sort of sound like that, and sort of self-absorbed prick... I mean, I'm a dick sometimes, but I don't shove people off trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    ha ha...wow. Interesting response
    Not as interesting a response as "nudging" someone down the side of a hill I suppose......

    But we do get much more sun down here. Maybe it's a Vitamin D deficiency??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    ha ha...wow. Interesting response - wasnt being self righteous at all.
    ....
    I mountain bike (and dont run anymore)..so I switched sides.
    It was an interesting story.

    Sorry for my own self-righteous and judgmental response - that was uncalled for. These things sometimes happen on the internet.

    For all I know, the dude could have been full-on playing chicken with you, and well... maybe the reaction was deserved. I don't know the details.

    My bad, let's ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Sorry for invading the Arizona forum (from WA)...just stumbled on this thread. Its been a fun read.

    My most enjoyable trail encounter was in 'City Creek Canyon' in Salt Lake back in 2000 when i was living there. I was running and riding at that stage so definitely paid a lot of attention to trail etiquette. City Creek was closed to bikes...so i was surprised to see a dude pedaling up the (narrow) single track towards me as i ran down.

    He looked up, saw me and dropped his head again...clearly intent on keeping riding and i was going nowhere...I managed to perfectly adjust my stride (half a step on the uphill bank) tuck my arm and perfectly check his shoulder to send him off on the downhill edge as I yelled "F$@#er". I would not digged to have been him.

    I felt pretty bad and watched my back for the final mile / two to the car - but hope he learnt his lesson. He wouldn't have known it was 'intentional contact'.

    I guess moral of the story is, "respect hikers / runners"

    be riding your neck of the woods in December.
    You didn't know anything about that guy's story. Maybe he was new in town and wasn't familiar with the trails. He was heading up hill and probably assumed he had right of way.

    At any rate, you decided to post on mountain biking forums about physically abusing a mountain biker. Obviously we are all going to sympathize with the biker instead of some cock who decided to put someone's well being at risk in a vain attempt to overcompensate.

    This feels like a troll.
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    Been shouldered by a hiker and hit with a switch by a equestrian rider while walking my bike. In the case of the hiker I had no way to get off the trail was only in his way for about two seconds and in the case of the rider it was a jeep trail with plenty of room to get by.

    It really wasn't very pretty for either one of those guys in the end though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmolow View Post
    You didn't know anything about that guy's story. Maybe he was new in town and wasn't familiar with the trails. He was heading up hill and probably assumed he had right of way.

    At any rate, you decided to post on mountain biking forums about physically abusing a mountain biker. Obviously we are all going to sympathize with the biker instead of some cock who decided to put someone's well being at risk in some vain attempt to overcompensate.

    You are either a troll or a complete idiot.
    Be careful calling someone an idiot. On MTBR even though we might think some posters are idiots we need to be nice and on topic.

    This thread certainly has been informative whether the behavior of some bad apples has been modified to the good, who knows. I wonder if the OP is happy about the number of viewings the post has received at this point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asmolow View Post
    You didn't know anything about that guy's story. Maybe he was new in town and wasn't familiar with the trails. He was heading up hill and probably assumed he had right of way.

    At any rate, you decided to post on mountain biking forums about physically abusing a mountain biker. Obviously we are all going to sympathize with the biker instead of some cock who decided to put someone's well being at risk in some vain attempt to overcompensate.

    You are either a troll or a complete idiot.
    Um, why exactly should you yield if you have the right of way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    Be careful calling someone an idiot. On MTBR even though we might think some posters are idiots we need to be nice and on topic.

    This thread certainly has been informative whether the behavior of some bad apples has been modified to the good, who knows. I wonder if the OP is happy about the number of viewings the post has received at this point?


    Sorry about that, I responded kind of rashly. He got me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muttonchops View Post
    Sorry for invading the Arizona forum (from WA)...just stumbled on this thread. Its been a fun read.

    My most enjoyable trail encounter was in 'City Creek Canyon' in Salt Lake back in 2000 when i was living there. I was running and riding at that stage so definitely paid a lot of attention to trail etiquette. City Creek was closed to bikes...so i was surprised to see a dude pedaling up the (narrow) single track towards me as i ran down.

    He looked up, saw me and dropped his head again...clearly intent on keeping riding and i was going nowhere...I managed to perfectly adjust my stride (half a step on the uphill bank) tuck my arm and perfectly check his shoulder to send him off on the downhill edge as I yelled "F$@#er". I would not digged to have been him.

    I felt pretty bad and watched my back for the final mile / two to the car - but hope he learnt his lesson. He wouldn't have known it was 'intentional contact'.

    I guess moral of the story is, "respect hikers / runners"

    be riding your neck of the woods in December.
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    2. I hope one day I get to meet you on the trail and I really hope you put your shoulder down when we pass...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Um, why exactly should you yield if you have the right of way?
    Right of way does not equal crash immunity.
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    Was coming down upper Brookbank once and near the bottom of the first downhill was an equestrian couple, and the female was screaming her head off at me as I came to a stop about 100 feet away from them. While I waited off trail as they passed, she asked me if I heard her, and implied that I was out of control or something. I replied saying that I did hear her and that's why I stopped all the way back there and that yes, my brakes are functioning properly. Then she asked me if I am wearing headphones.

    Um, excuse me? You can clearly see that I'm not. And yes I can actually control my bike unlike the way you can't control your animal, which must be a hard concept to grasp i guess, yet I'm the reckless one somehow... I didn't respond and just raised an eyebrow at her husband, who immediately looked away sheepishly.

    I'd like to get along with these other trail users and co-exist, but how am I supposed to deal with that kind of bigotry? I wasn't rude or confrontational, but maybe I missed an opportunity to have more fun with her dumbass interrogation.

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    Doesn't sound like you did anything wrong to me. Some horses do spook easy but if that's the case they shouldn't be riding in an area where encountering bikers of hikers is more likely.

    I do try to be considerate for the animal though it's not their fault.

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