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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Heads up on National!

    This is on National trail just above the Mormon/National split. The big rock in the center of the pic finally broke loose during the recent rain and is now partially in the line as you head down. Depending on how wide you take that section you could potentially clip the left pedal so just be aware that things have changed. It's a big heavy rock so moving it isn't much of an option without a few people and some guidance from the Park Rangers.
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    Thanks for the info, I'll check it out for myself tomorrow AM.

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    Yeah thanks. I was also thinking of riding there tomorrow, so good to know.
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    those damn boyscout leaders were at it again

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    those damn boyscout leaders were at it again
    Well, at that potential energy was just waiting to kill a Weblo...

    Luckily, it was nature and not a hiker (Tone Loc)....

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    Need TD to fix.
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    Thanks, I will put that on my 12,000 item checklists of things to watch out for on National.

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    Now why didn't it fall in front of the step up and make a ramp so that my lame ass could finally make it up that feature?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Thanks, I will put that on my 12,000 item checklists of things to watch out for on National.
    40 are actual safety concerns,, the other 11,960 are boobs

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    40 are actual safety concerns,, the other 11,960 are boobs
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    Thanks Kenny.

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    Is there any rock on National you don't know? Thanks!

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    Just curious, if you are speaking of riding wide left in the first pic, why would anyone ride that side? The better line appears to be to the right, lofting into the next turn for a nice apex. This is based on (not memory thats for sure!) the second pic where the line coming down is on the left kinda behind the tree in the forefront.
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    I actually like to jump the rocky section heading into this turn and carry my speed as much as possible. That puts me wide left if I really push it, I've even used that wall as a landing/berm on many occasions. It's a tight window to land in but it sets you up better for that tight left around the rock that sticks out just below this (I've clipped my shoulder on that baby wayyyy too many times)
    Quote Originally Posted by cstem View Post
    Just curious, if you are speaking of riding wide left in the first pic, why would anyone ride that side? The better line appears to be to the right, lofting into the next turn for a nice apex. This is based on (not memory thats for sure!) the second pic where the line coming down is on the left kinda behind the tree in the forefront.
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    Hi, I was planning to ride the National Trail soon. I was interested in doing a loop. Which would be the best way to ride the national trail as a loop? Up the Desert classic trail to the Buena Vista lookout and back down National trail? Or the way Cosmic Ray guidebook reccomends: from Pima Canyon Trailhead up National to Buena Vista lookout and down Desert Classic? Just in Phoenix for a quick vacation. Any other good rides in the South Mountain area? I'm looking for technical to expert trails. Thanks for the info!

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    Re: Heads up on National!

    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Lesoine-Moab View Post
    Hi, I was planning to ride the National Trail soon. I was interested in doing a loop. Which would be the best way to ride the national trail as a loop? Up the Desert classic trail to the Buena Vista lookout and back down National trail? Or the way Cosmic Ray guidebook reccomends: from Pima Canyon Trailhead up National to Buena Vista lookout and down Desert Classic? Just in Phoenix for a quick vacation. Any other good rides in the South Mountain area? I'm looking for technical to expert trails. Thanks for the info!
    National doesn't loop, and it doesn't intersect with Desert Classic anywhere. Start at Pima Canyon trailhead and go up National 'til you get tired, then turn around and come back down. That will give yo a nice tech climb and some of the best DH on South Mountain

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    You can make a loop with Desert Classic to National but the best stuff for what you're after will be on National. I would recommend riding Natl from Pima all the way to Telegraph Pass then take the road back to Buena Vista and back down Natl (or back on Natl from Telegraph if you're feeling it). Here's the profile for that loop if you're interested...Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Wet SoMo loop near Phoenix | Times and Records | Strava

    You should also check out Alta trail. Cool climb and one of the most techy descents anywhere.
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    Bikes and boobs sounds like two hobbies to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max-Lesoine-Moab View Post
    Hi, I was planning to ride the National Trail soon. I was interested in doing a loop. Which would be the best way to ride the national trail as a loop? Up the Desert classic trail to the Buena Vista lookout and back down National trail? Or the way Cosmic Ray guidebook reccomends: from Pima Canyon Trailhead up National to Buena Vista lookout and down Desert Classic? Just in Phoenix for a quick vacation. Any other good rides in the South Mountain area? I'm looking for technical to expert trails. Thanks for the info!
    For technical and more difficult you would want to do Geronimo, 32nd St, and Holbert.

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    If you want to sample National, go with Kenbentit's route. Here's a very similar one to that: Start @46th St trailhead, climb Javelina to Mormon Loop, Up Mormon Loop to National then pick up Ken's route. After you bomb down National, start back up the Mormon Loop over to Javelina for a nice finishing descent to 46th St.

    If you liked all that, then go check out Alta trail per Ken's suggestion. Ride it east->west.
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    ^Yes!^ Adding in Javelina is very good idea.
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    Here is one of my favorite tech loops at South Mountain.
    Best double down SoMo route

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    Nor should you!

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    dang that spot has bad luck with mother nature. Remember the big Saguaro that was on the right as you were heading down .
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