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    Which full suspension ?

    Some background first . I am a mountain bike newbie. I just moved here from Nebraska in March , then I was a 100 % roadie. I brought a mountain bike with me. I was an UN-official employee of a bike shop there where I would upload the pics on their web site. For this I was given cost on anything. The bike I purchased was a leftover 2011 Giant XTC hardtail. I upgraded the the shifters and derailleurs to SRAM X-9 and the forks are Bomber 44.
    I now work at Performance Bicycle in Scottsdale. I was selling cars but that didn't give me any time to ride so I quit ( brutal hours) . I went riding on South Mountain on Thanksgiving, we went from Javalina to Mormon to National up to the waterfall. I was getting beat up on the ride. It was the first time on a trail of that nature, I had several minor crashes, my rear end was jumping around on the downhills and there were several obsticals I could have made ( I thought) if I had full suspension ?? I also suck at climbing, on the road as well.
    So which bike has the suspension design that is efficient on climbs and works well on rutted or rocky downhills ect?? I will probably be a XC rider. I do well on the Sonoran Preserve, BCT and McDowels.
    The question is I can get employee pricing ( EP) from the following, De Venci, GT, Giant and Felt. Age here is 54 and I weigh 200 lbs. What do you think ??
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    If you are limited to the above brands, the Maestro suspension from Giant seemed well balanced to me. I don't have any experience with the others.

    Outside of those brands... Pivot is popular in this state for a reason. Santa Cruz as well. I went with the Rocky Mt. and their smoothlink 4 bar system and it is awesome going up and down.

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    EP is close to half of retail, so I'm limited to the brands above unless some other manufacturer will give me EP because I work in a bike shop?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licketysplit View Post
    EP is close to half of retail, so I'm limited to the brands above unless some other manufacturer will give me EP because I work in a bike shop?
    Performance sells Giant?
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Performance sells Giant?
    No the bike shop in Omaha sells Giant and Felt.

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    I'd probably demo anything you're interested in and go from there. Nobody can tell you how a certain bike climbs or descends, you gotta feel it.

    I like Santa Cruz's VPP system. I think my Tallboy LT is a pretty good climber, and a reasonable all around bike for my skill level. That said, they told me when I bought my Tallboy that Santa Cruz's employee discount is really low. Something about they want you to ride one because you think it's the best, not because you were able to get it cheap.

    I'm all about getting stuff cheap, but if you try them all and don't think they'll work, did you really get a bargain?

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    If you want to ride terrain like SoMo, Sedona, PMP, etc. and not only survive the ride but have some serious fun doing it, then I would recommend a 6-inch AM bike. The deal on the Titus El Guapo frame is a steal @ $999.00 - and with your bike shop discount on parts, you could build a very 'SoMo worthy' bike. I've been on my EG since 2008 and it can handle everything Arizona has to offer.
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    Based on your description, I would say you need to improve your skills on the XTC hardtail before moving to a FS bike. The XTC is more than capable for the trails you are riding. Using a FS to mask the deficiencies in your riding skills will just lead to more trouble. I would concentrate on improving your handling (track stands, bunny hop, braking, cornering, shifting weight on bike, lowering seat and sitting back on descents) and climbing skills for the next few months. During that time pay attention to the demo's and like Eazy said, demo as many FS bikes and figure out which one works best for you. Then in about 6 months, you will be ready to take advantage of the FS.

    Just my honest opinion (and I am no expert)...

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    If it were me, I'd go devinci first, giant second. Devinci has a new DW link this year, and few people have them, which I think is pretty cool. Giant is just a great brand. I can't imagine being disappointed with either. Realistically, coming from a HT, you won't be disappointed (not that HT's are bad). Also keep in mind that it takes someone who practically lives on their bikes to actually notice a substantial difference between the suspension types.

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    Also, if you decide to sell the XTC let me know, I may be interested...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdennis View Post
    Based on your description, I would say you need to improve your skills on the XTC hardtail before moving to a FS bike. The XTC is more than capable for the trails you are riding. Using a FS to mask the deficiencies in your riding skills will just lead to more trouble. I would concentrate on improving your handling (track stands, bunny hop, braking, cornering, shifting weight on bike, lowering seat and sitting back on descents) and climbing skills for the next few months. During that time pay attention to the demo's and like Eazy said, demo as many FS bikes and figure out which one works best for you. Then in about 6 months, you will be ready to take advantage of the FS.

    Just my honest opinion (and I am no expert)...
    I'm inclined to agree with Dennis on this one. The reasons you gave for wanting a FS sounds more like you need time getting used to the terrain and improve your bike handling-skills. However, I'm not one to tell someone how to spend their money, or what to do.

    So what does a FS do exactly? In my experience (as someone who recently purchased his first) a FS:

    --Makes the trail smoother. I'm really just talking about random trail chatter that any hardtail can handle. With a FS, most of that gets smoothed out. When I first got on a FS, it felt like I was cheating!
    --Increases the margin for error just a bit. With a hardtail, you have to know when to use your legs for suspension so the saddle doesn't smack into your prostate or knock you off balance. With a FS, if you forget to get out of the saddle on an especially rocky or technical portion, you won't be thrown around as much. The rear wheel should also track better with the surface helping traction
    --Allows you to take the rockier/crappier line. Whether on accident or on purpose (similar to above).
    --Gives you an inflated sense of courage. With a FS, you feel that you can take lines that you never could before. I mostly believe it's a mental thing. If you believe it will be easier, you're more apt to try it instead of chickening out ("You can do it!").
    --Makes you look for harder/more-difficult trails. Once you've conquered all the now- easier trails on your new bike, you'll feel like you need something more to challenge you.
    --Makes my back hurt less. This is in the "beat up on my body" category. Obviously, a FS lessens the impact of drops, etc.

    Just remember, you can still make stupid choices and wreck on a FS bike.....it's not a miracle worker. You can still lock up your brakes and take a spill. You can still go OTB. You an still fall over for what seems like no reason at all.

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    If I could get EP on a Devinci Dixion I would pick one up in a heart beat. With modern suspension design the only way to buy a crappy bike these days it to buy a bike that does not fit your riding style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbdennis View Post
    Based on your description, I would say you need to improve your skills on the XTC hardtail before moving to a FS bike. The XTC is more than capable for the trails you are riding. Using a FS to mask the deficiencies in your riding skills will just lead to more trouble. I would concentrate on improving your handling (track stands, bunny hop, braking, cornering, shifting weight on bike, lowering seat and sitting back on descents) and climbing skills for the next few months. During that time pay attention to the demo's and like Eazy said, demo as many FS bikes and figure out which one works best for you. Then in about 6 months, you will be ready to take advantage of the FS.

    Just my honest opinion (and I am no expert)...
    Point well taken....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tysonnemb View Post
    If it were me, I'd go devinci first, giant second. Devinci has a new DW link this year, and few people have them, which I think is pretty cool. Giant is just a great brand. I can't imagine being disappointed with either. Realistically, coming from a HT, you won't be disappointed (not that HT's are bad). Also keep in mind that it takes someone who practically lives on their bikes to actually notice a substantial difference between the suspension types.
    The majority of the guys at work have the Devinci.

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    Unfortunately, it's difficult to go out there and test every suspension bike and find what you might like the best, it's even less likely that the bikes you test will be set up perfect for you, with the right amount of air pressure/spring, damping features such as high and low speed, etc. One suspension type might feel good from one manufacturer, whereas the same suspension type from another manufacturer has different traits. Most bike companies know what they are doing by now, which is good, back in the 90s there were some very haphazardly designed bikes, and this continued well into the 2000s, but by now, they are getting this all down very well. Anything from one of the large manufacturers is going to be pretty well thought out and perform well. With some of the smaller-but-still-name-brand manufacturers it's going to be pretty decent, but not quite as good as the ones that have the ability to dump more money into R&D and patents. Then you get to the small-production and boutique manufacturers, these often have some of the best constructed bikes. Notice I didn't say best designed, as they sometimes lack the cutting-edge of the biggest companies, but what they do not have there they more than make up for in execution, quality control, and customer service.

    These days, there are few bikes I would completely stay away from. Gary Fisher has had a tough time designing and making FS bikes over the years, and I'm not sure why. He seems to build them without enough thought for the pivots and structural parts, and they get better all the time, but when thinking about bikes like Kona, Trek, GF, Specialized, Giant, and a few others, GF is probably my last choice. The 2nd tier is made up of those smaller companies that still mass-produce bikes, like Rocky Mountain, Devinci, Mongoose, GT, KHS, and others (some of these used to be bigger, but collapsed and were bought out and have never really been able to get back into the 1st tier). Then there are the more boutique ones like Ibis, Pivot, Turner, Titus, and so on. All of these make great bikes, and ANY one of them might make the one that "feels/rides" best for you.

    Confused? Yeah, but the bottom line is that any major brand is going to be pretty good. The less mainstream the "mass-produced" bike is, the more skeptical you should be. KHS and some of those 2nd tier companies make "ok" bikes, nothing wrong with most of them, but just closely compare the feel, geometry, and parts between those kinds of bikes. The boutique ones are often more expensive, but may not feel any better and there may be no real advantage to going there.

    I'd say the most important thing is make sure the bike suits your needs and preferences. It's a little hard to know what that is before you go out and ride, but realize a few things:

    It's not a hardtail and it won't feel like one. Don't worry about a little bit of suspension movement, and don't buy the bike based on the one that feels "most like" a hardtail. You'll end up disappointed and frustrated by the suspension that doesn't really help you out like suspension is supposed to.

    Think about your intended use. Many shops, magazines, and resources STILL point "serious" mountain bikers towards XC race bikes. This is total crap and an unfortunate part of the accessibility of mountain bike racing. It's great it's accessible, but 95% of the riders do NOT need to be on a 3" travel XC race bike with race geometry. It can be downright scary trying to descend on something like that, and for a slight tradeoff in weight, you can get something that is far more stable and FUN all-around, rather than something that makes descending and technical terrain scary.
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    Liketlysplit, You've got the hat, now get the bike. Check out the Felts. The Equalink suspension rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    If I could get EP on a Devinci Dixion I would pick one up in a heart beat. With modern suspension design the only way to buy a crappy bike these days it to buy a bike that does not fit your riding style.
    I second m77,the Devinci Dixon is the best F/S rig I have ever ridden.........not an expert on F/S but I know what I like. 2 Wheels Good

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    Borrow your co-workers rides if you can. Every bike, geometry, and suspension is unique so ride those you are considering - get demos from the reps, they would like you to be riding what you sell. Keep the hardtail if you can.

    Mormon/National for a newbie? Desert Classic might have been a friendlier choice but good for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RV2011 View Post
    Liketlysplit, You've got the hat, now get the bike. Check out the Felts. The Equalink suspension rocks.




    I have one already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etanc View Post
    Borrow your co-workers rides if you can. Every bike, geometry, and suspension is unique so ride those you are considering - get demos from the reps, they would like you to be riding what you sell. Keep the hardtail if you can.

    Mormon/National for a newbie? Desert Classic might have been a friendlier choice but good for you!
    I went with a group from work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licketysplit View Post



    I have one already.
    Very nice. These are mine. They're 08 models. I'd love to check out the 2013 Compulsion but it probably best that I don't.
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    DeVinci first, Giant second. Either way you will have a blast!

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    I've owned/ridden a lot of FS configs over the last 20 years (starting with a GT RTS. Go ahead, laugh. It was just about all we had.). Most of my riding time (like, 10 years straight) was spent on Horst Links, such as the Titus offerings. After Chris Cocalis left Titus, I followed him to Pivot. The DW-link is my favorite, by far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Patrick View Post
    I've owned/ridden a lot of FS configs over the last 20 years (starting with a GT RTS. Go ahead, laugh. It was just about all we had.). Most of my riding time (like, 10 years straight) was spent on Horst Links, such as the Titus offerings. After Chris Cocalis left Titus, I followed him to Pivot. The DW-link is my favorite, by far.

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    I've owned 2 Giants (NRS 2 & '09 Trance 3) and am about to pick up a new leftover '11 Trance X2. Heard good things about the Pivot, but have not had a chance to try one. My best MTN biking buddy (used to be a pro XTerra racer) really liked the NRS Air she was comped back when she was racing. Since she's out of the racing circuit and only rides for fun these days, she recently picked up a Specialized Stumpjumper with a traditional (non-DW or Horst) rear suspension design that, perplexingly, seems to be the trend these days.

    She confirms that bobbing is a problem--particularly when riding uphill on technical terrain--unless she keeps her rear shock in full-near-lockout-climbing position, in which case you lose 90% of your suspension, so you almost might as well ride a hardtail and save the weight.

    Conversely, the Giant Maestro suspension (and probably other DW-like linkage) is awesome on climbs without having to adjust the rear shock at all, meaning the bike still absorbs bumps but you don't lose traction or efficiency. Downside (my guess why many other manufacturers have abandoned the concept) is weight. My take on that: bring less water. (Your full 100 oz. Camelback will way upwards of 13 lbs.) Seriously, I do a lot of technical and sustained climbs, so I'd rather lug up a 2-or-so pound heavier bike that performs well than a lighter one that doesn't. (And I do need to keep hydrated out here in Colorado, so I'll still bring the full Camelback.)

    Then there's the question about 29ers vs. 26". I did love the new 2013 Giant Trance 29er 0 I recently demoed ($4,200 retail), but am not in love with the new 2 x 10 gearing that leaves out the low and high range. Also, because 29" is the current trend, they're kind of the "SUV" of mountain bikes these days in terms of price and profit margins for manufacturers. You can get killer deals on 26" bikes with great components. Thus the '11 26" Trance I'm about to get.

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    x3 on the new carbon Dixon. I rode it at Outerbike and it was my favorite bike out there, and I rode the Mojo HD, Nomad, Mach 5.7 and others. I was surprised at how well the split pivot (it's not a DW link) worked. If I could find a frame for a decent price I would pick one up.

    That said, I have been riding my 08 Giant Trance X for almost four years and it has been a fantastic do all bike from the Flagstaff DH trails and I even rode it in the last AES race. Only thing I swap out are the wheels depending upon the terrain. I would still recommend it if you want to save some money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Licketysplit View Post
    I went with a group from work.
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    New Giant Trance 26" model misinformation

    A couple bits of info I just discovered for anyone is in the market for a 2013 Trance:

    The 26" Trance X2 is made and shipped to places like Canada or the UK but interestingly not available in the US. (Who knows why? I'm guessing there's more markup room for 29ers in the mid- to hi-level price range so manufacturers are encouraging those models.)

    Also, if you DO want a 26" Trance X2 (or an X2-W, designed specifically for women only up to a medium with different geometry from the non-W version--those ARE available in the US) be warned that the specs on the Giant website and in their catalog for the front fork are WRONG! Fork models are listed correctly, but the features for the X2 fork are listed as 125 140 mm switchable, while the X1 fork is listed as 125 mm only. Actual features are reversed. Could be a bummer if you order an X2 online only to discover it's a 125 mm only configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpstandish View Post
    You can get killer deals on 26" bikes with great components. Thus the '11 26" Trance I'm about to get.
    Or maybe it's because you are buying a 2 year old bike?

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    29" is like a Galaxy SIII

    26" is like a phone booth.

    Choose accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    29" is like a Galaxy SIII

    26" is like a phone booth.

    Choose accordingly.
    Easy, you need to broaden your skill set before making that claim. I rode a 29'er for years. Pretty happy I am back on a 26'er right now. What I get out of my Specy Enduro is hard to duplicate in a 29'er platform. 650B does have my interest to a degree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GR1822 View Post
    Or maybe it's because you are buying a 2 year old bike?
    LOL. Yeah, good point! Seriously, though, 29ers are just pricier, and I can't believe it's all because of the extra cost of the bigger wheels.

    Case in point:

    The top of the line 2013 26" Trance has most of the same or comparable components as the top of the line 2013 Trance 29er. Exact same rear shock, same rear cassette, adjustable seatpost, chain, crankset, rear derailleur and bottom bracket. Different wheels and hubs, of course, but same tires (except size). Biggest difference is the 29er has XT shifters and front derailleur, while the 26" version has SLX. Brakes are also XT in the 29er and SLX in the 26" version. However, the 26" Trance has a 125-140 mm Fox fork while the 29er's fork is 125 mm only.

    The 26" bike's list price is $3,200. The 29" is $4,250. It's hard to imagine that there's $1,000 + more component value in the 29er than there is in the 26" one. And 29" wheels aren't THAT much pricier...or are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    29" is like a Galaxy SIII

    26" is like a phone booth.

    Choose accordingly.
    Well, OK. Yeah, 29ers are the undeniable trend. Maybe because I've ridden 26ers for more than a quarter century, I'm not as overwhelmed by how great 29ers are. (Not that I hate them or anything!)

    You gotta ask yourself, though, why everyone is trying so hard to make 29ers handle more like 26ers. Giant made a big deal out of that when touting their new 29er design: scrunching the wheels closer together so the bike would be more "flickable". You know... like a 26er!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpstandish View Post
    LOL. Yeah, good point! Seriously, though, 29ers are just pricier, and I can't believe it's all because of the extra cost of the bigger wheels.
    29ers are more money because people will pay that for a perceived advantage. 26ers are simply not trendy any more. This is especially true for hardtails and XC bikes. However that can mean good value for those who don't need the latest cutting edge.

    26" bikes are still some really good bikes and most of the the rider skill/ rider fitness will be the main factor on the trails. A good fit rider on a 26" hardtail will be faster and clear more of the trail than unfit / unskilled rider on fancy LT 29er. Back in the day 10-12 years ago I was routinely school on technical descents by friend of mine riding a 26" rigid steel frame Giant with canti-brakes. I had a nice aluminum hardtail with 100mm of front travel. Why? certainaly not the bike as it was all down to rider skill. He had and still does. However I always had better fitness so I could pull him on the climbs. These days he moved a more modern hardtail 29er and is still great on the downhills. Of course I can still pull him on climbs. He is of course 6'4" and thin so he always had issues finding a bike that fits him. So for him the 29er's are rather proportional.

    Anyway I guess I am rambling on, but my point is that it is better develop skills than to try to "buy them" with a bike change.
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    IMO, a 29er hardtail makes a 26er XC FS bike obsolete. You get more downhill stability and ability to go fast, without compromising the climbing efficiency/weight. The 26" XC FS bike will be more comfortable in the rough obviously, but much more apt to pitch over, not make it through a technical section, not carry speed, etc. The 29er hardtail will obviously be rougher because it's a hardtail, but modern technology allows for only marginal increases in weight with the 29er parts now, so you get a lot of the benefits, with few of the disadvantages.

    IMO, eventually all serious mountain bikes will be 29, long travel applications 650b, and DH bikes 26" for a while, but eventually 650b, they'll never go to 29 due to the geometry.

    IMO2, buying a new bike, there's not much reason to look at 26ers anymore. I've only ridden a 29er hardtail for a few years whilst owning two 26ers at the same time (and short rides on other 29er FS bikes) and I'd just never consider a 26er for XC again. You live in AZ, we got rocks here, a 29er will really allow your riding to grow. Yes, everyone will think you are "cheating" and that you should go back to a rigid bike with 1.8" tires, barely working cantilever brakes, flat narrow bars, a half-sphere foam helmet, cutoff-finger weight training gloves, and thumbie shifters. Screw them, you're in this to have fun. Enjoy the benefits of modern technology. There's a reason they developed this technology. People like myself tried it and liked it. I didn't want to jump and buy a 29er FS right off the bat, I wanted them to develop the technology first and get "solid" before considering it, but now it's fairly mature finally and I'd have no reservations doing so, but my next bike has to be a mukluk
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    "Which full suspension?" It's in the title.

    Suggesting hard tail 29"ers is terrible, terrible, advice and should be ignored.
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    Though I first rode Slickrock and Porcupine Rim on a fully rigid Chromoly bike many years ago, (and NOT a 29er) I'm not sure I'd want to try that now.

    Honestly, I think the whole 29er fad is a bit overblown and trendy (even if it's likely to be a trend that lasts, unlike "rapid rise" shifters or the ill-conceived Biopace). I've ridden both 29 and 26 and it's not as though I've come away thinking, "Wow, the 29ers are SOOOO incredibly smoother on technical terrain!" I'm sure I would have that feeling, if I'd been riding bikes with 12" wheels all this time, though.

    I do know dedicated 29er hardtail riders and wouldn't necessarily argue with them to change out their equipment. But for what I ride, no thanks. I value my back and knees too much.

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    I recently demoed (and soon will own) a Giant Trance X29. Its new for 2013 and just friggin blew my doors off the first time I rode it. Its a 5" travel (f and r) bike which would be ideal for the rocky stuff here in AZ. Just give it a look.

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    My only point is that I am not sure the premium for a 29er is worth it. I also don't believe in changing bikes when you can't ride something. It may come to that in time, but I prefer to learn how to ride it on what I have first than assuming the "BIKE" it the reason for my crash/failure etc. There are plenty of place I cannot ride and that is not due to the bike so much as my skills. I am reminded when I see some trials rider jumping around things are that are "un-rideable". That said some bikes are faster certain terrain than others. There are places where I feel my descents would be fast with alot more travel or bigger wheels. However I like ride my bikes up the hills to so is the faster descent worth effort on the way up? That is not to mention dollars involved. Will have $4000 worth more fun?

    Clearly there are some that need the fastest,coolest, latest etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CCMTB View Post
    I recently demoed (and soon will own) a Giant Trance X29.

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    Big LOL! Yeah, I recently demoed that one as well. Pretty sweet. I made the mistake of trying out the X0, though. REALLY got spoiled on that one! The X2, not so much. The Rockshox on that felt way more stiff and I'm not a big fan of the SRAM shifters.

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    My buddy has a Devinci Dixon - great bike.

    2013 Devinci Dixon Carbon RX MSRP is ~4600.

    4600 * 50% = $2300 of pure win.
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    Welcome to Arizona. I moved here from Nebraska 20 years ago and have never regretted it. About 10,000 times the amount of mountain bike trails.

    Highly recommend FS, my 55 year old body takes much less of a beating. I rarely ride my hardtail unless it is something like a dirt road or a canal bank.

    I own an older Giant Trance, which I have been very happy with. Giant generally seems to be a good value for the money because you are not paying for a name. Heard good things about the newer Giant FS bikes. Anthem is more XC, which Trance more AM. I lean more XC myself, as the consequences of failing in technical terrain are something I give a lot more thought to today than I did 25 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    My only point is that I am not sure the premium for a 29er is worth it. I also don't believe in changing bikes when you can't ride something. ...
    Clearly there are some that need the fastest,coolest, latest etc.
    You've certainly got a point, Joe. I agree it's easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of "latest and greatest". On the other side of that, I tend to simply wear bikes out remarkably quickly. In the end, there's some balance to be had, but yeah, there's no bike in the world that can make up for inexperience or lack of conditioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    "Which full suspension?" It's in the title.

    Suggesting hard tail 29"ers is terrible, terrible, advice and should be ignored.
    Great. Thanks for missing the point. I was not suggesting buying a hard tail 29er, only contrasting one with an FS 26er
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpstandish View Post
    You've certainly got a point, Joe. I agree it's easy to get caught up in the whirlwind of "latest and greatest". On the other side of that, I tend to simply wear bikes out remarkably quickly. In the end, there's some balance to be had, but yeah, there's no bike in the world that can make up for inexperience or lack of conditioning.
    Exactly...
    If you bike is worn out due to riding then you might as well look for the best bike for your dollars. No issues with that "upgrade". If you just want to upgrade because you bought an entry level bike like on with higher grade components fine. Just don't expect to turn you into some super rider.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Great. Thanks for missing the point. I was not suggesting buying a hard tail 29er, only contrasting one with an FS 26er
    FWIW, two of the main mtb guys at my local bike shop have been riding hardtail 29ers forever and swear by them, so I wouldn't say don't EVER consider it. Now I'm curious, though, about taking your advice and doing a side-by-side comparison with my 26" FS.


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    Great thread guys.......

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    Welcome to the valley. I'm out in the Queen Creek/Chandler Heights area and frequent San Tan trails (3 mile ride from my place).

    I just got back into biking in September myself and went FS because I wanted to avoid the harshness of a HT. Not completely sold on the 29er concept quite yet - then again I'm short (5'5")

    Anyway, hope you enjoy the great weather we're having.

    -S

    P.S. I got a few FS carbon frames that are too big for me - interested? Cheap!
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