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    FINS Kimurel's Hurl

    Another great ride out at FINS. Great job on the new track guys. Kimurel's Hurl is awesome. I biffed it twice on the last jump off the end of the burm though. I guess I just need more practice on the jumps. Anyway, I can't wait to get out there again.

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    Work day pix!

    A couple of us from GROAZ headed out to help out with the trail work on Saturday. It was a LOT of work but the final results are pretty solid. It's crazy to think just how much effort it took to build that trail since they had it almost completely built but it still took all day with a large crew & plenty of tools to finish up the wood features. Can't wait to see how it's received by the local riders. For us it was valuable learning experience just seeing how things came together on the construction side as well as how to deal with the less glamorous details like drainage. Here are a few pics I shot. I still can't believe they let me take the inaugural run down the completed trail. That's a huge honor in my book...
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    Just down the street from my house. Looks pretty bad ass! Where abouts is it on the trail? Very nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daugela View Post
    Just down the street from my house. Looks pretty bad ass! Where abouts is it on the trail? Very nice work.
    It is right at the bottom of Starr pass/North Star. I runs kinda parallel to Harve's Howl.

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    Just curious, What's the reason for putting wood on the trail ? Is it routed over something ?

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    Very Very Cool , Thanks to all at GROAZ !

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    Just to clarify, us GROAZ peeps were only there for the final build day. The local trail crew did all the building here, we just came in at the last bit to help out wherever they needed. As for all the wood, the double berm feature is on top of the natural drainage route so any sort of earthen feature would be impossible to maintain, not to mention the very loose & rocky soil conditions in the area. It was a TON of work getting all the forms in place but I think it'll be worth it in the long run since this structure should be able to withstand a few seasons of the AZ sun & monsoon without any major upkeep needed. They are planning on coating the wood with a non-slip paint so that will extend the life even more.
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    My goodness that came out nice. Looking forward to riding it. The hard work is appreciated.

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    I just donít see why wooden structures are needed in the desert. We donít have the live stream crossings, marshes and other year round wetlands that would require wood structures to bridge over. To me putting wood structures in the desert is like putting pavement down and there is no challenge in that. There are plenty of other trail building technics that could have been used instead of building a wooden structure, even down the drainage, which is not an ideal place to route a trail anyway, wood or not.

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    Way to pi$$ on someone else's hard work and effort to build something cool and unusual.

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    ^^^Yea, I don't see the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider View Post
    I just donít see why wooden structures are needed in the desert. We donít have the live stream crossings, marshes and other year round wetlands that would require wood structures to bridge over. To me putting wood structures in the desert is like putting pavement down and there is no challenge in that. There are plenty of other trail building technics that could have been used instead of building a wooden structure, even down the drainage, which is not an ideal place to route a trail anyway, wood or not.
    I doubt that this feature was built because it was "needed".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider View Post
    I just donít see why wooden structures are needed in the desert. We donít have the live stream crossings, marshes and other year round wetlands that would require wood structures to bridge over. To me putting wood structures in the desert is like putting pavement down and there is no challenge in that. There are plenty of other trail building technics that could have been used instead of building a wooden structure, even down the drainage, which is not an ideal place to route a trail anyway, wood or not.
    Because its FUN.

    Who says there always needs to be a "challenge?"

    There are plenty of climbs and challenging options on the same trail system.

    Can't riding mountain bikes be fun, and sometimes fast? Speed increases challenge btw.

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    That looks like a lot of fun!! In my opinion it's essentially a feature. Sure, it's not needed but adds something different to the trail.

    Are features needed at lift access mountain bike resorts? No
    Are features fun at lift access mountain bike resorts? Yes

    So, to me it's nice to see a feature on an Arizona trail. Besides Sunrise.

    Is there a teeter totter in the works?
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    There is a teeter totter at the entrance as well. Great trail system, and great people keeping it maintained.

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    doesn't anyone on the west side own a go pro? we need some footage.

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    I have some footage recorded but my computer took a dump. So, I have no way to save or edit it. Sorry!

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    With land owners O.K. I think it's great. No reason why every single trail ever built in the desert must be desert floor only. That's a fairly myopic viewpoint imo.. Fun is fun. I'm pretty sure the folks who ride the wood and berms out at NRA think it's fun.

    Fun trails and fun features built for the sake of fun have their place. I'm hoping to see more where permitted. Great job all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aevanlloyd View Post
    doesn't anyone on the west side own a go pro? we need some footage.
    Once I fix my stupid wheel I will record a few runs. There are several trails there worth bragging about.

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    From what I understand the great folks that are building and maintaining these trails do communicate and work with the land owners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    With land owners O.K. I think it's great. No reason why every single trail ever built in the desert must be desert floor only. That's a fairly myopic viewpoint imo.. Fun is fun. I'm pretty sure the folks who ride the wood and berms out at NRA think it's fun.

    Fun trails and fun features built for the sake of fun have their place. I'm hoping to see more where permitted. Great job all.
    There are now only 2 wood features at NRA..The first wood feature dubbed bridge gap was built very very early on before we did the whole look at us come have fun days and within days of building it we had heard that the rangers knew about it and weren't pleased and the word was to be passed to us thru a LBS that its not acceptable. However removal wasn't demanded but further additions were..Fast forward a few years to the creation of NWO during the somewhat poor routing we were somewhat forced to add a bridge over a wash that we just couldn't find a way to jump ..the next was in the form of a wooden booter which was pretty much the only way to make a jump at the edge of the next wash...then we pushed our luck further and built a very overbuilt 2x6 bridge with stringers 1" apart ..this was the go around for the nwo step up wash gap as it was the biggest feature on that line..Anyways that final bridge again drew attention and we were contacted to remove the bridge if we failed to do so more than the bridge would disappear . Since then we removed the bridge and replaced the bridge gap with a dirt jump . The other features are on there last leg and will also soon be removed .
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    when out there the other day and damn it was awesome! sickest trail system ever! we need more like this in arizona!













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    I did this on Wednesday. I just climbed Kim's Klimb and rode Kimurel's Hurl over and over and over and over and over ... lol. Great stuff guys, and I did not biff it once
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    Quote Originally Posted by tsefreeflow View Post
    I did this on Wednesday. I just climbed Kim's Klimb and rode Kimurel's Hurl over and over and over and over and over ... lol. Great stuff guys, and I did not biff it once
    Well that is good to hear. Rumor has it, when the wood was a bit wet, someone ate it pretty good. There will be a good fix for that soon enough.

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    Cool seeing some pics after the latest bit of rain. Doesn't look like the water did anything at all to the drainage under the wood feature.
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    Wow

    Rode this for the first time today and spoke with on of the local trail builders. This is easily on of the best trail systems in the valley,. An example of what a MTB trail system could be as opposed a hiking system. Felt like I was in disneyland for bikes. Did the hurl down a couple times The wood features are a lot of fun. Love the jumps everywhere. Perfect shape and height foe easy jumping. Truly wonderful. Just flat fun. Thanks guys for all the hard work. Dig the vulture at the top of Hurl.

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    Kim and Mural and I are laying some Paint + Sand on the wooden-features today.

    When / IF that happens, Kimurel's Hurl will be OFF LIMITS for ONE-WEEK!!!

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    It looks like I need to fire up the old subaru and head down south!

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    I was planning on going out today and riding the trails but I got a little drunk last night. :beer: :sly:
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    In before the paint. Went out there today for 3.5 hrs and many miles of riding. Did every trail out there...some two or more times, it's lots and lots of fun!!! I have to agree with the above post, this place is Disneyland for bikes!
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    Hurl paint

    I am guessing there will be lots of people riding over the next 2 weeks due to the holidays and no rain the in the immediate future. How critical is the paint and will it adhere to the wood? wood hate for you guys to compromise all the work you have done. I want to ride it again later this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iammemares View Post
    Appreciate the need to make the wood less slippery in the rain.
    I can just see the people in PNW shaking their heads at this.

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    I have a trick... if it is wet and rainy, um dont ride the wood features lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jibro View Post
    In before the paint. Went out there today for 3.5 hrs and many miles of riding. Did every trail out there...some two or more times, it's lots and lots of fun!!! I have to agree with the above post, this place is Disneyland for bikes!
    I did the same out there today for 2.5 hours. It was my first time there and I had some good times finding my way around. It did have a MTB feel to it, with signs and names for everything, kinda like Gold Canyon. The Hummurel's Hurl is fun and I sure need to work on my berm riding skills, but what I really liked and had to get to twice was Shooting Star. Coming down from the peak and weaving between the rocks, hitting those well done switchbacks was a hoot. The whole system has a lot of fun built into it. I'm looking forward to my next visit.

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    Still no video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    And Kermit.
    Where was Kermit hiding? I was all over the place and missed that. It was my first time out there as well and a couple trails had me coming back for more. There was a trail that looked newer and it wasn't on the map but it was labeled on a front-side sign called Tikiman. It is very short but extremely fun with a table top and a little step down that I got some nice air on. The descent down the frontside of Jim's Star Pass was a high speed jump fest as well with the last jump giving muchos aires!! Kimurel's Hurl is fun and a nice change of place from Somo, PMP riding, but no mandatory air or whatnot so those thinking this is Northshore style are only correct in that some of the berms have wood. Hell I had wood too, it was just a damn fun day!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aevanlloyd View Post
    Still no video?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aevanlloyd View Post
    Still no video?
    The Hurl was closed today or I would've shot some video of it. I did get some going down Hurl but it couldn't be longer than a minute or two. The closure didn't stop the knucklehead and his two kids from walking up it but it stopped Blatant and I from descending. Besides riding every trail the hard direction, compacted with the fact that everything seems to be uphill both ways, we had a decent time.

    Hurts Donut was fun going down. Not so much up.

    Shooting star was fun down. Not so much up.

    Everything was VERY short. Climbs were tough but had little payoff afterwards because the descent is equally short.

    It would likely be more fun if we knew where we were going and which direction is best. That's one good thing about FINS in Tucson. Everything is ONE way.

    It all reminded me a lot of Bootleg's XC trails. Not a big fan of the sandstone-type trails. Traction is difficult sometimes. Sometimes non-existent.

    But, all in all it was fun. Rocked the teeter tottter. Still gotta return for the Hurl, though. Hopefully, the descent will be worth the climb to get to the top of it.

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    Since you can climb Kim's Klimb, and that can be done in your sleep, it will be more than worth it. Just dont climb the hurl, because you will get run over most likely lol.
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    Good to know the trail we need to climb although it was not as easy to navigate even with the signs here and there and a copy on my phone. Lot's of unsigned trails. Trails not on the map. And some signed trails aren't terribly clear.

    Take the sign at the top of the Hurl. There is Chris Choas heading west and Straight Shot heading southwest. The sign between them and pointing forward directly in the middle of them names a couple trails. The direction the sign is indicating could be for either trail. We took the wrong one first and wound up in the Enchanted Forest. Doubled back to find Chris Choas...

    The sign where Northstar branches off is BEHIND you when you stop to decide which way to go. We blazed right past it then stopped at the intersection. Didn't think to look behind us for the sign so wound up on Exposure when we wanted to take Northstar to get to Shooting Star. Wound up climbing/hiking up Shooting Star, partway figuring out that we were PROBABLY on Shooting Star and going to wrong way and then found the sign at the top to confirm.

    We basically just looked at the map to find all the "Wicked" runs and not knowing what direction everything was we wound up going the wrong way...

    We started out looking for Tiki Man. It was "Wicked" and has some serious switchbacks so figured it'd be good to run. According to the map they are relatively close together. I knew we needed to take the second right but we continued on Kim's Konnector/Muriel's Mile for a hundred yards or so and found no other turn off. So we assumed we missed the first one before the sign and took the the Donut up thinking it was Tiki Man.

    All in all there's a sh|tton of work out there! It's nice to know something like this can actually get done somewhere. Now if we could just get some sweet downhill runs on the Estrellas, with an easy way to shuttle/lift them, Phoenix could solidify itself as an MTB destination.

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    Mostly have to agree with Mike. It does stink that the one time we were able to get out there, the run we most wanted to do was closed.

    Overall, I had a super-fun time. To be honest, it's not really the kind of riding I personally enjoy (rocky gnar with sustained downs) and the travel distance for me (~70 minutes) is prohibitive. That said, the amount of work and love put into the system is clearly evident. If I had more than two thumbs they'd all be up in the air for the trailbuilders and workers out there.

    Shows what you can do with a relatively small area and not a ton of elevation gain. Well-played, ladies and gentlemen, well-played.

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    Jacques and I are coming 'over' in 2 days to ride FINS and White Tanks; looking fwd to it. Hope to see some of you there. Looks like alot of recent work by a dedicated group of builders; nice to see it happening there too.
    If you want a tour of the new GC trails, hit me.darchoborne@hotmail.com. Its getting pretty sweet out there. New gravel on the soft areas of Snowbird help; we'll see if the horses leave it alone to pack down. digits crossed.TS

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    Does anyone know when Kimurels Hurl will be open?
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    Open and awesome.

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    Cool. May have to make another trip out there for a run down the Hurl...

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    I am hoping to make it back out there this Sunday. I haven't hit the trails in two weeks and I am dying for some action.

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    Thr.NR? -- KiMural's-OPEN!

    Gang!

    Okay, we didn't quite-wait until-Friday -- but Joshua and Kenny and I pedaled-out yesterday to confirm that the-paint was COMPLETELY-DRY (Using Fingernails to see IF it-gave at all? Nope! Perfect!).

    KiMural's Hurl IS OFFICIALLY OPEN! It was my-first-ride back since surgery "down there" (20 days outta' the-saddle )

    * Hey, it's Thursday Night -- is anyone hosting a ride out-here tonight? We're NOT doing it for multiple-reasons. Eileen and I WILL Host-it again next-week, but next-year we're only-hosting-it once a month, and we'll probably still continue to alternate-rides: F.I.N.S. once, and then "the-Other-Trails" the next time.
    JP's meeting at / leaving-from Safeway tonight at 6:30, and I'm planning on joining him unless anyone-else is-hosting out here tonight?
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    Being new to the Phoenix area... i came upon this new run completely by accident. it is a great addition to this already fun area to ride. Thanks to all who spent the time to build this!

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    rode again

    today. The hurl was open. Dig shooting star down. This is just plain fun. The entire area is creative and uses the natural features very well. I like that I can choose direction so I can change the ride up. That said, I would not ride up the Hurl. Your gonna get runned over. Again nice work guys. Have you all thought about putting wire over the woof ala BC??

    Where is Kermit?

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    A friend of mine had the gopro running last night. Broke 1 minute too... In the dark - DANG! Hopefully there will be some video on YouTube soon!

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