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    Dry Terra Firma Around The State?????

    Up here is Prescott, we have rain and snow and even if it stops now, could take a week of Sun to have dry trails. Anyone know if areas around Phoenix (BCT, Trail 100) or around Sedona have dry conditions or am I just dreaming???

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    I don't know if you're dreaming...but we spend all year on dry earth....I for one am happy for a little moisture. I sat outside the mercedes dealership yesterday, chuckling to myself as all the cars coming out of the service bay were nice and shiny, having just been washed.

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    We get far more rain in the summer compared to Phoenix, and when stuff gets really soaked it says that way because we have dirt and not just sand. Overall our stuff (and Sedona to a slightly lesser extent) stays wet and muddy for longer. As we were discussing in another thread, some of our trails never got very ridable from the storms that were weeks ago. Some of the trails in Phoenix like National and most of South Mountain are probably great, I've done those when conditions are pretty moist and I can't remember any issues. We see people on these boards talking about the rides they are still doing down in Phoenix, and trust me it's totally different up here. Sedona also gets spretty muddy and soggy in places, huge ruts, lots of mud. I've been out hiking there after some wet stuff and snow and it wasn't good, I definitely wouldn't take my bike out there, although I did see several ruts tearing up the trail. The higher the trail, the more dirt and mud I'd expect. BCT most likely has quite a few areas that are pretty muddy, also I highly doubt the river is crossable. I wouldn't even try that. I'll be thinking about South Mountain this Sat.
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    Yeah, I am thinking SoMo may be the only rideaable stuff around-bet BCT is soggy.

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    Hawes in east Mesa always drains well. Heading out there this afternoon to see what the conditions are like.
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    I wonder how the river will be at BCT from RS to TM next Sat the 30th. We have a group ride planned for that day.

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    Silver, post up what you find. Fiveo, love it at BCT for a good long one.

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    SoMo was perfect this morning, tacky, couple puddles but great conditions overall.

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    666-i might just have to get down to the Valley and check out my beloved SoMo

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo
    I wonder how the river will be at BCT from RS to TM next Sat the 30th. We have a group ride planned for that day.
    This sat sounds like a better day for creek boating to me, but by the 30th could be back to little or no flow.

    GIVEN THE DURATION OF THE RAINFALL SOME AREAS MAY SEE FLOODING CONDITIONS THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING... BEFORE WATER LEVELS RECEDE.

    AGUA FRIA RIVER NEAR BLACK CANYON CITY EXPECTED TO RISE TO 27 FEET (FLOOD STAGE 16 FEET)

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    Ran into silverslug on hawes. the trails were in perfect condition, by the way nice to meet you silverslug.

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    Hawes was in great shape...

    Quote Originally Posted by joey bennett
    Ran into silverslug on hawes. the trails were in perfect condition, by the way nice to meet you silverslug.
    Nice to meet you too Joey Bennett (or would you rather be called by your screen name?) Be careful hanging out with that Nunley character... I'll include the photo as promised...

    It's always cool to hear the water flowing in the ravine as you enter from the Power road entrance. Snapped a few photos of the conditions. While Somo is a true destination location, Hawes is nice for me because it's just down the road. Hard to believe that just a few minutes away from the real world, you can be away from the real world. A little rutting here and there, but overall trail conditions were good. Air was clean. Breeze was nice. Good ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls36
    Up here is Prescott, we have rain and snow and even if it stops now, could take a week of Sun to have dry trails. Anyone know if areas around Phoenix (BCT, Trail 100) or around Sedona have dry conditions or am I just dreaming???
    Just rode T100 yeserday and it was great! A few puddles in the lower washy parts but the rest was all good...GREAT! (cleaned off, not dusty, sticky, fast)

    Quite a bit of rain now - ?should? still be ok by this weekend - stay on the higher trails.

    Anyone clued in on BCT? Seems like it would be mostly o.k., yea?

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    We got 6" or more overnight and all the Preskit trails are socked in... except for 396. I rode it today and it's perfectly clear, because it drains so well.

    Oh, and the Peavine is good now that the City sent a snowplow down it. LOL

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    The Agua Fria might come down by the 30th depending on how much snow has fallen in the Bradshaws and if if melts down quickly.

    Check the USGS website for stream flow info. I wouldn't cross if the flows are above 220 to 300 cfs. Right now it is flowing at 2400 cfs and rising.

    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo
    I wonder how the river will be at BCT from RS to TM next Sat the 30th. We have a group ride planned for that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider

    Check the USGS website for stream flow info. I wouldn't cross if the flows are above 220 to 300 cfs. Right now it is flowing at 2400 cfs and rising.
    Which mean's it's perfect right now for attempting to cross in an SUV.
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    just did a short loop of t100 start at 40th st and shea and it's not bad except a couple spots where you get some large puddles. the wet sand sucks to peddle through.

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    Yesterday the new called for rain to continue through sat. Weather.com is now saying partly cloudy sat with scattered showers all day tommorow. So will see. I'd like to get a ride in sat afternoon, but might be too soon.

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    Agua Fria - flood warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider
    The Agua Fria might come down by the 30th depending on how much snow has fallen in the Bradshaws and if if melts down quickly.

    Check the USGS website for stream flow info. I wouldn't cross if the flows are above 220 to 300 cfs. Right now it is flowing at 2400 cfs and rising.
    Riding BCT will be tough for a while.

    From weather.com

    * FLOOD WARNING FOR THE AGUA FRIA RIVER ABOVE ROCK SPRINGS. * UNTIL LATE FRIDAY NIGHT... OR UNTIL THE WARNING IS CANCELLED. * AT 2:00 PM THURSDAY THE STAGE WAS 15.6 FEET. * FLOOD STAGE IS 16.0 FEET. * RECORD FLOODING IS FORECAST.

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    Rats are falling from the sky.....the locusts and trumpets are next.....SNOWPACALYPSE NOW!!!!!!

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    mountain bikers getting all excited about rain... god you guys are spoiled... and yes, you may detect some envious overtones there...

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    If those hikers on National start at 5am, we could start at Pima at 8 or 9, leaving only the weak and diseased hikers on the trail to go around. Maybe go up to BV, head down Geronimo, back up Mormon, back to BV and down National.
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    Holly molly..at 10 pm the gauge is at 27 ft and 43,400 cfs...that's a lot of water!

    Quote Originally Posted by tiffanyinanthem
    Riding BCT will be tough for a while.

    From weather.com

    * FLOOD WARNING FOR THE AGUA FRIA RIVER ABOVE ROCK SPRINGS. * UNTIL LATE FRIDAY NIGHT... OR UNTIL THE WARNING IS CANCELLED. * AT 2:00 PM THURSDAY THE STAGE WAS 15.6 FEET. * FLOOD STAGE IS 16.0 FEET. * RECORD FLOODING IS FORECAST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider
    Holly molly..at 10 pm the gauge is at 27 ft and 43,400 cfs...that's a lot of water!
    Man Im tempted to ride out to the crossing just to see that from the second gate and look down at the river. Where are you getting the info?

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    Me too!

    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo
    Man Im tempted to ride out to the crossing just to see that from the second gate and look down at the river. Where are you getting the info?
    I have the same plan! I want to see it raging in the canyon, it will be an amazing site.

    Edit: too muddy to ride, I'll be hiking it!

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    Yes we are spoiled here. but once you live here for a bit you start to really love the dry conditions-back East I rode in it all-including the white stuff. Whereabouts do you ride long hairmike??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls36
    Yes we are spoiled here. but once you live here for a bit you start to really love the dry conditions-back East I rode in it all-including the white stuff. Whereabouts do you ride long hairmike??
    about 30 miles sw of chicago.. if we're we're lucky enough go a spring week without rain, the singletrack starts to dry out in april. Trees dont start actively drinking up the moisture till late may. '09 was a total soaker. already planning my az move for '11

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    See my post above for a link to the USGS gauge data for the station near Rock Springs.

    The flow peak last night around midnight around 47,000 cfs, now it's back down to 11,500 cfs, which is still a good flow, but still way to high to cross.

    Quote Originally Posted by fiveo
    Man Im tempted to ride out to the crossing just to see that from the second gate and look down at the river. Where are you getting the info?

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    Sweet, PM us when you move out here longhairmike-99% of the year we have exceptional riding here. I am from Western New York, same type of weather as windy city......

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    about 30 miles sw of chicago.. if we're we're lucky enough go a spring week without rain, the singletrack starts to dry out in april. Trees dont start actively drinking up the moisture till late may. '09 was a total soaker. already planning my az move for '11
    Do you ride Palos on the snow ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Do you ride Palos on the snow ?
    I like my nads. I'm usually done by end of october. by november the forest just looks all dead and depressing, and its below freezing in the morning. I need to do crack-of-dawn-be-back-by-10 rides or my fiance feels like im ditching her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    I like my nads. I'm usually done by end of october. by november the forest just looks all dead and depressing, and its below freezing in the morning. I need to do crack-of-dawn-be-back-by-10 rides or my fiance feels like im ditching her.
    Snow riding is a blast. It's a good way to prepare for the loose sandy washes. This pic is Deer Grove in Illinois, Lakeraven (Founder of Gnomefest) in the foreground me in the background. We aldo rode Palos. Cold isn't a problem if you stay moving. Good luck on your move !
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    Forget the pretty pics I posted of Hawes earlier. If Hawes took the sideways-wall-of-water beating that my house took last night....there may be no more terra period left to ride on. Around 9pm I tried to run 10 yards from door to truck and couldn't have got wetter if I'd jumped into the pool. Interested in what the conditions are at Hawes after last night. Please post up if you've been out. Thanks.

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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    Quote Originally Posted by Velokid1
    We got 6" or more overnight and all the Preskit trails are socked in... except for 396. I rode it today and it's perfectly clear, because it drains so well.

    Oh, and the Peavine is good now that the City sent a snowplow down it. LOL

    Oh I'm a funny guy today!

    ahhh, you funny guy...! And don't forget to ride 347 a few times, no death-mud there! Can you say "trainer-in-the-garage-on-the-rode-bike"?

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    Snow!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Snow riding is a blast. It's a good way to prepare for the loose sandy washes. This pic is Deer Grove in Illinois, Lakeraven (Founder of Gnomefest) in the foreground me in the background. We aldo rode Palos. Cold isn't a problem if you stay moving. Good luck on your move !

    Love it-that's what I am talking about, and yes it does build mondo bike skills. If you bundle up and keep moving it is all good. Guys and gals that do this stuff often have a level of finesse that I rarely see with hammerhead DH'ers - although not all Dh'ers.

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    Yah... is Hawes still there? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Snow riding is a blast. It's a good way to prepare for the loose sandy washes. This pic is Deer Grove in Illinois, Lakeraven (Founder of Gnomefest) in the foreground me in the background. We aldo rode Palos. Cold isn't a problem if you stay moving. Good luck on your move !

    When I lived in Chicago I used to ride Palos all winter long with a pair of these.



    Seemed like the only time of year that the ground was ever solid out there was when it was frozen.

    Then I got bored of riding in a nuke dump and moved to AZ to ride in a wasteland.


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    South Mountain looks very ridable, I just dropped by Pima Canyon at lunch to check . No indoor trainer for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsixtysix
    When I lived in Chicago I used to ride Palos all winter long with a pair of these.



    Seemed like the only time of year that the ground was ever solid out there was when it was frozen.

    Then I got bored of riding in a nuke dump and moved to AZ to ride in a wasteland.

    Cool! Looks Like Nokian tires. Does that bike now glow in the dark now ?

    Pretty much the same reason I moved here. I still look at the old CAMBR message board with all of the access gripes and weather woes when I get down and it cheers me up because for riding it almost doesn't get any better then AZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Cool! Looks Like Nokian tires. Does that bike now glow in the dark now ?

    Pretty much the same reason I moved here. I still look at the old CAMBR message board with all of the access gripes and weather woes when I get down and it cheers me up because for riding it almost doesn't get any better then AZ.

    Yup, Nokian Freddie 336's.

    I hop on the old Cambr and Chicago Freeride sites from time to time, but honestly don't miss the midwest riding much

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixsixtysix
    Yup, Nokian Freddie 336's.

    I hop on the old Cambr and Chicago Freeride sites from time to time, but honestly don't miss the midwest riding much
    Did you ever ride Knock Knoll when the put up all the ladders and stunts ?

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    wow,, a lot more chicago refugees here than i thought...
    I grew up in Hickory hills, so i was less 5 minutes out the door from jumping on the trails at rte 45. i havnt been to the other places, i just dont have the free time anymore. 10 years ago i was always zooming around palos from the ground AND from the AIR
    I still ride the same Y-bike i bought in '95 when i worked at american bike and fitness in counryside. One time a customer asked what type of shock he could get for under $100,, i pointed him to the outlet on the wall...
    CAMBR has built a LOT of new singletrack in the past 2-3 years. The cook county forest preserve district has finally been infiltrated by riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    Did you ever ride Knock Knoll when the put up all the ladders and stunts ?

    Nope, I rode Challenge Park when it existed, but I bailed from Chicago in 2006, right when Saw Wee Kee was starting to get cleaned up, but it was still an overgrown mess and just before Lane Tech turned into "The Garden".

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhairmike
    wow,, a lot more chicago refugees here than i thought...
    I grew up in Hickory hills, so i was less 5 minutes out the door from jumping on the trails at rte 45. i havnt been to the other places, i just dont have the free time anymore. 10 years ago i was always zooming around palos from the ground AND from the AIR
    I still ride the same Y-bike i bought in '95 when i worked at american bike and fitness in counryside. One time a customer asked what type of shock he could get for under $100,, i pointed him to the outlet on the wall...
    CAMBR has built a LOT of new singletrack in the past 2-3 years. The cook county forest preserve district has finally been infiltrated by riders.
    The standing rule in Illinois is unless a trail is clearly marked as a bike trail, bikes are forbidden. This unfortunately covers about 90% of what is ridable. Sucks.

    Yep , quite a few of us expatriot Bears fans around. If you move here you'll never want to go back. (Flying Reference) I used to live right by Palwaukee Airport .

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    You guys think SoMo will be rideable tomorrow AM???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgrafk
    You guys think SoMo will be rideable tomorrow AM???
    I was out there at lunch checking it out and it's fine to ride now. I'll be there riding in 30 min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnniO
    I was out there at lunch checking it out and it's fine to ride now. I'll be there riding in 30 min.
    Awesome!
    Thanks JonniO!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bgrafk
    Awesome!
    Thanks JonniO!!
    You ridin' your cross bike out there tomorrow?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wookalar
    You ridin' your cross bike out there tomorrow?
    Ahh, wookalar!
    Nope. Gotta get the white bike and white shoes dirty again
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    Was at hawes at 2 pm today, its more fun now with all of the ruts! The switchbacks had alittle damage but nothing some bikes going down wont fix. The big wash after disneyland going north towards the switchbacks washed away the trail.Alot of little dips had some sand to ride through.Cardiac hill was in pretty good shape too.Still very rideable hawes drains really well.

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