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    Dropper or new wheelset?

    I figured I'd post this here in the local thread as people have a better general idea what the trails are like in the area and that probably affects the answer. I'm almost always riding PMP because it's close to home and I can get there for a quick run after work or in the mornings.

    That said: If you were to choose between a dropper post or a (tubeless) wheelset...which way would you go? I've read and heard that a dropper post is a real game changer...and I can see that. But a good wheelset upgrade is too. I guess, as things start to warm up and I'm riding less I'm looking towards upgrades for the fall when I'm back out there more. I'm sort of leaning towards a decent tubeless wheelset vs. the dropper post, but wondered at folks' thoughts. I'm down to my single speed 29er, don't necessarily have plans to buy a new bike (yet). Wheelset, right?!

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    Most wheelsets can be converted to tubeless. I'd buy the dropper in a heartbeat.

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    Enlighten me! I don't care about the bike being heavy...my fitness level is the biggest thing holding me back. What I DO care about is having more fun while I'm out there. A couple friends have said the same thing--the dropper is such a huge difference. Why so?

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    I doubt I can enlighten you; there are a bunch of threads you can search for to give insight on droppers.

    You can spend a few bucks to convert your current wheelset to tubeless, which is a significant advantage here in regards to weight and traction.

    As for the dropper, I find it to be one of the most significant pieces of mountain bike technology in the past five or so years. I couldn't imagine riding without one.

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    Another vote for the dropper post. I am a fan of a great wheelset, but after switching to a dropper post on my AM bike, I would never go back to a regular post. I would never, ever, ever, ever give up my Kind Shock post. It is so great to be able to pedal through a trail with your post at a height where you are most bio-mechanically efficient, come across some serious gnar, drop your post in less than a second, and just keep blasting through that sh*t.
    Getting a dropper post is like getting a bidet. I didn't know I needed one until I get one and boy, does my ass thank me.

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    Blatant is right about conversion as well. All you need is some gorilla tape, some stans, and some valve stems, and you can convert to Tubeless. Total cost? Maybe like 35 to 40 bucks **if** you don't go completely ghetto. Could be less.
    Getting a dropper post is like getting a bidet. I didn't know I needed one until I get one and boy, does my ass thank me.

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    I got a dropper seat on my FS bike and this is the number of times I REALLY needed to use it on the following trails.

    Sonoran Preserve - rode every inch of it - NEVER.
    Black Canyon Trail - rode from Glorianna all the way down to Sonoran - NEVER.
    McDowell Mountain Park -rode 80% trails- NEVER
    McDowell Sonoran Preserve- rode most of the trails there - ONCE on Bell Pass DH and I could have used on Tom's thumb few times.
    Hawes - did most trails - couple of spots where it was helpful
    Trail 100 - one spot - I didn't ride any other trails in PMP..
    Pima and Dynamite - NEVER
    Spur Cross/Cave Creek Park - one spot
    Deem Hills - dropper was helpful not a necessity.

    I am yet to ride SO MO I would imagine the dropper would come in handy there.

    I also wonder if I have learned how to roll off drops properly if I ever really would need the dropper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    I got a dropper seat on my FS bike and this is the number of times I REALLY needed to use it on the following trails.

    Sonoran Preserve - rode every inch of it - NEVER.
    Black Canyon Trail - rode from Glorianna all the way down to Sonoran - NEVER.
    McDowell Mountain Park -rode 80% trails- NEVER
    McDowell Sonoran Preserve- rode most of the trails there - ONCE on Bell Pass DH and I could have used on Tom's thumb few times.
    Hawes - did most trails - couple of spots where it was helpful
    Trail 100 - one spot - I didn't ride any other trails in PMP..
    Pima and Dynamite - NEVER
    Spur Cross/Cave Creek Park - one spot
    Deem Hills - dropper was helpful not a necessity.

    I am yet to ride SO MO I would imagine the dropper would come in handy there.

    I also wonder if I have learned how to roll off drops properly if I ever really would need the dropper.
    All of these trails I would ride with my XC bike, and I agree no dropper post is needed there and a super light wheelset would probably be my choice if I was upgrading on that bike. However, if you are into gnarly stuff like National, Geronimo, Holbert, the crazier stuff in Sedona and Flag, Goat Camp, etc, go with the post.
    Getting a dropper post is like getting a bidet. I didn't know I needed one until I get one and boy, does my ass thank me.

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    All these votes for dropper post warm my heart.

    If you need one, you should know where, and why. If you don't, you don't.
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    Dropper is the second best "upgrade" I have done closely behind running tubeless
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    Dropper or new wheelset?

    Never thought I would ever need a dropper seat post. Actually thought they would be a passing fad. I live in NorCal but visit AZ with bikes multiple times a year. I received a dropper seat post as a gift upon arriving in Scottsdale and promptly installed it and fell in love with it riding all over SoMo last week. Especially a "game changer" on the rides where there are multiple ups and downs.
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    Dropper posts are one of the few things that I can truly say you'll wonder how you ever got by without one. Lighter wheels are great but having the ability to lower the seat for better riding position without stopping is something you have to experience to truly appreciate. I don't think I could ride without one now...
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    Re: Dropper or new wheelset?

    I have to ask, if you're not looking to save weight then what exactly are you looking to gain with a new wheel set?

    the dropper post is a fantastic upgrade if you're into riding stuff like the upper trails at South Mountain. For XC type riding I don't think it really provides many advantages at all.

    Like another poster said, if you don't know that you want one then you probably don't need one at this point. It really depends on the type of riding you like to do.

    Ask yourself this question, do you frequently adjust the height of your seat post for the trails you ride? Or do you wish you could?

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    I'm chiming in, please don't shoot me for it since I don't live there, but here are my thoughts and a question...

    What is your current wheelset, is it an absolute piece of crap with ****ty engagement and heavy (2200g>), narrow rims? If you answer YES to this question, then definitely wheels, if not, then the dropper post. You can "get by" in a lot of places without one, stop when you absolutely need to lower your saddle, but if you're with a group or riding solo it helps to maintain the flow as you don't have to stop if you come to such a section you need to lower your saddle.

    I recently got one and before there were maybe 4 or 5 places on island that I absolutely needed it, but since I have it now I use it a lot more and in those places I used to stop and lower the saddle I don't have to anymore, so the flow is not broken and I roll straight into it maintaining my momentum. I have an X-Fusion HiLo that can be adjusted infinitely, so if I feel I just want it dropped 3/4" for general riding of the trail, 2" for a flowy DH that's not uber steep or 3" or 4" for super steeps I can, much prefer this design over the ones with preset height levels.
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    This thread has convinced me I need a dropper...with or without a remote?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    This thread has convinced me I need a dropper...with or without a remote?
    Go forth and purchase. I can't say anything bad about my Kind Shock i950r. Infinitely adjustable, and it always works. Get the LEV if you can afford it so the cable length is consistent.

    Get a remote too. If you're in a section where you need the dropper, you want both hands on the bars, right? I mounted my remote on the left side, because I don't shift the crank as much as the cassette, but that's a personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    Most wheelsets can be converted to tubeless. I'd buy the dropper in a heartbeat.
    That is correct. Personally I run tubes and std seat post, but I don't run PMP very often. If I wanted to ride all the nasty stuff at PMP day in and day out I would probably convert to tubeless and get a dropper post. I would not get new wheels to do it. Just a conversion will work.
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    If you goal is to improve your riding experience (having more fun), the seat dropper is a great way to improve your bike kung fu.
    There is a big difference between ripping and skidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    I got a dropper seat on my FS bike and this is the number of times I REALLY needed to use it on the following trails.

    Sonoran Preserve - rode every inch of it - NEVER.
    Black Canyon Trail - rode from Glorianna all the way down to Sonoran - NEVER.
    McDowell Mountain Park -rode 80% trails- NEVER
    McDowell Sonoran Preserve- rode most of the trails there - ONCE on Bell Pass DH and I could have used on Tom's thumb few times.
    Hawes - did most trails - couple of spots where it was helpful
    Trail 100 - one spot - I didn't ride any other trails in PMP..
    Pima and Dynamite - NEVER
    Spur Cross/Cave Creek Park - one spot
    Deem Hills - dropper was helpful not a necessity.

    I am yet to ride SO MO I would imagine the dropper would come in handy there.

    I also wonder if I have learned how to roll off drops properly if I ever really would need the dropper.
    I ride mostly the same trails as you and never needed the dropper. Riding down VOAZ and Irregular at PMP for my did not require a dropper either. Same for heading up mormon, up national and taking national west past ranger. This is on 26" hardtail with a 100 mm fork. So there are many places you don't need a dropper and for me I never worried about my seat getting in the way.

    However if I rode PMP every day and I wanted to tackle all the nasty stuff it might make sense. Poor mans dropper however is just to manually lower the seat and raise it again. That is easy to try and see if it does anything. The dropper just makes this an easier to do.
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    Re: Dropper or new wheelset?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    This thread has convinced me I need a dropper...with or without a remote?
    With. It just works better...and I was very resistant to it at first.

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    MY dropper has more use than a tijuana lady of the night. KS950-never had one issue other than my cable rubbing my back tire every now and then. I recommend with remote...ghetto tubeless on my xc for $25 bucks. 2 bmx tubes and a bottle of stans. Second best purchase next to a downhill bike.
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    Yeah, whatever....now what about flat pedals and piss-pot helmets?
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    Sounds good. The fact that I don't know and some responses have made mention of that is the kind of feedback I was looking for. Honestly I'm a total noob so this is helpful. The bike isn't holding me back, ME is holding me back. Er...well you get it. There haven't yet been any times where I've thought to myself that I better have a dropper post, but so many people indicate they make such a big difference. Worth asking.

    I do however ride flats But only because they came with the bike & I'm cheap and uncoordinated enough that clip-ins would probably get me killed.

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    Dropper post will increase your confidence knowing that you could lean back without the seat pushing you OTB. Seriously increased my riding abilities.

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    Dropper. With remote. No contest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graphicsguy View Post
    I do however ride flats But only because they came with the bike & I'm cheap and uncoordinated enough that clip-ins would probably get me killed.
    Get Shimano M cleats and set them fairly loose. They'll release from any direction. No tipping over.

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    No one NEEDS a dropper, but it makes riding a whole lot more fun for me.
    Agree with the posters who recommended the kind shock brand with remote. I've had one for a few years w/o any issues or maintenance.
    Ghetto tubeless is awesome too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy_E View Post
    Get Shimano M cleats and set them fairly loose. They'll release from any direction. No tipping over.
    Those won't work with eggbeaters.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Those won't work with eggbeaters.
    That's fine, you don't want eggbeaters anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graphicsguy View Post
    ... There haven't yet been any times where I've thought to myself that I better have a dropper post, but so many people indicate they make such a big difference. Worth asking.

    I do however ride flats But only because they came with the bike & I'm cheap and uncoordinated enough that clip-ins would probably get me killed.
    The only thing a dropper post does is to make it easier to lower the seat and raise it up. You can do the same thing with little money by just stopping to raise/lower as needed. Since you are new to this drop the seat manually first and see how much it helps. If love the low seat on certain terrain, but hate it on others and are always needing to move it then a dropper post is perfect.

    As for pedals. I like clipless, but if you constant fear falling over stay with flats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by graphicsguy View Post
    I do however ride flats But only because they came with the bike & I'm cheap and uncoordinated enough that clip-ins would probably get me killed.
    I would upgrade your pedals and shoes first then, good flat pedals and five ten shoes - or clipless pedals.

    This is your link to the bicycle, if you riding some cheap pedals and sneakers forget doing gnarly stuff with your new dropper. They will be scraping you off the rocks.

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    BTW, I got the dropper seat because I suck on the technical stuff. Now I want a 29er long travel full suspension bike with a dropper seat - so I can just bomb **** instead of learning how to ride properly. The dropper does not make you ride better but makes the ride better without having you ride better. Let's just put that out there.

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    Only need a dropper if you're getting your STOKE on an EPIC dh GNAR.

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    Re: Dropper or new wheelset?

    One thing I noticed is that I use my dropper to make minor adjustments constantly... 10 times more than I would make when I had to stop to adjust. It's truly a very useful tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Only need a dropper if you're getting your STOKE on an EPIC dh GNAR.
    No. If your shredding reppis on the gnar gnar rad on the daily your seat post is already cut to 60mm and slammed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    I would upgrade your pedals and shoes first then, good flat pedals and five ten shoes - or clipless pedals.

    This is your link to the bicycle, if you riding some cheap pedals and sneakers forget doing gnarly stuff with your new dropper. They will be scraping you off the rocks.

    ^^^^^^^ This - Get some good "real" flat pedals, the ones that came on your bike are not real flat pedals and are really only on the bike for display/test rides and they should be removed the second you get the bike home. I highly recommend getting some good flats and 5.10 shoes (sticky rubber) ASAP before the wheels or dropper.

    Disclaimer: This is just like my opinion man...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Only need a dropper if you're getting your STOKE on an EPIC dh GNAR.
    or bombing epic DH GNARLy strava seg gnar to dominate the segment with rad KOM stoke brah, yeaaah,, post that sheisse on the facebook so the buddies and your mom can like and comment and appreciate your bad-assness...

    ...yeah get droppppppppppper and get down low...low ryder

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    No. If your shredding reppis on the gnar gnar rad on the daily your seat post is already cut to 60mm and slammed.
    What about the pumping and whipping? A good ride always involves a lot of pumping and whipping.
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    Haha.

    I do have the 5/10's--the flats on my bike are some semi-generic wellgo things which are okay but the shoes do make a huge difference. That part I think I'm okay with--I might want to get a better set of flats some day but so far these work all right. I'm assuming they're cheap because they came with my bike (which wasn't expensive in the first place).

    Ah hell, I should just go ride my bike and stop fretting. Not that many more sub-100-degree days left anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graphicsguy View Post
    Ah hell, I should just go ride my bike and stop fretting. Not that many more sub-100-degree days left anyhow.
    this x 1000000000000000

    Once you get on that obsessive upgrade train there is no getting off...

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    Dropper or new wheelset?

    I will be the one person to say wheelset I guess. I do not have a dropper seat post but don't really want one. Tried the adjusting seat thing down natty and out at pass mtn but have ridden without adjusting and I see no need.

    Wheels though - omg got a set of dt Swiss 190s and I never stop rolling! They have made every ride more fun and I would never want to put the wheels that came with my bike back on. Up hills are more fun, downhills are more fun, and too and from the trailhead on the pavement is even more fun. Just throwing that out there - but my ride style is generally XC with a little tech for fun.

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    I love my dropper!!!

    I use the heck out of mine. It's no contest for me

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    Dropper or new wheelset?

    I would go tubeless and spend your cash on a light. That way you don't lose the summer and riding at night is awesome!


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    invest in municipal bonds and ETF's. cash out before Bernanke pulls a plug on QE...

    nah, I am kidding, save up for a new bike - 2 bikes are better than one bike with a dropper

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    invest in municipal bonds and ETF's. cash out before Bernanke pulls a plug on QE...

    nah, I am kidding, save up for a new bike - 2 bikes are better than one bike with a dropper

    Save? If a shop does 0% same as cash, or you can get a new credit card with a 0% intro APR, throw it on that. Use somebody else's money for free. Ideally, use your money to make make more money for you at the same time.

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    I've been collecting snake bike tubes from the shop and returning them to REI. I'm 288 flats away from a set of carbon havens!

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    Dropper since PMP has so many short climbs and descents. I own 2 2012 RS reverbs, good seatpost. kinda expensive tho

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    For a 29er single speed hardtail a light weight tubeless wheelset with as many engagement points as you can afford is the single best upgrade you can make - hands down.

    Dropper posts are great for all mountain bikes but unless you ride your single speed like an all mountain bike you won't gain much. If you do ride it like an all moutain bike I would suggest a geared drivetrain and new frame before a dropper post.

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    As someone who only uses very nice wheelsets and started using a dropper about 8 months ago, I recommend to assess the current wheelset first. My biggest improvement was using stiffer and lighter rims with fast engagement hubs. I get a benefit from using a dropper, but not like a quality wheelset.

    But if you are satisfied with your current wheelset, just, as already said, set it up tubeless, and get a dropper. I have found a dropper post is not necessary for my riding, but also I found that I have used it more than I thought I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old ROMPer View Post
    I love my dropper!!!

    I use the heck out of mine. It's no contest for me
    I rode with a high end wheel set today and I admit it was a BIG improvement but I still love my dropper and can't imagine riding without one.

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