Chinook

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  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    Chinook
    Anyone else notice that huge Chinook flying patterns over the east valley (Scottsdale) the last coupe days? I played Talking Stick yesterday and it was all over the place. Today I've noticed it flying patterns again.

    Strange. I wonder if they are mapping something? When I first saw it yesterday I expected to see it lift a chiller on to the roof of the resort or something but no, it just kept circling and flying patterns all day.
  • 12-13-2012
    Mtn-Rider
    I saw it today doing a high-bank turn, pretty impressive sight. Loud too.
  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    Yeah.. his patterns have no rhyme or reason to them.Looks like a couple high school kids with a 30 pack of Key Stone on a joy ride.

    3.5 hour of random patterns each of the last 2 days can't be cheap. Must have a purpose but I cant figure it out.
  • 12-13-2012
    Jibro
    I've noticed an increased military presence. Seen/heard quite a few Apache flights around PMP area over the last few months. Nothing to see here...just Y2K training...
  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    Don't think this is military. No markings.

    I sent an email to a buddy in the Scottsdale ATC.. See if he has a clue.
  • 12-13-2012
    urbanseeds
    Chem Trails...
  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    Too low... Altitude is 1500 max.
  • 12-13-2012
    helimech
    They r over the rezz, so altitude doesnt matter. Also, not all military A/C have markings. Boeing only made 6 or 9? civilian BV234's which is the civilian designation and they are all owned by Columbia Helicopters in OR and are painted mostly white n orange and 1 black 1 (when I worked for them). They are way to costly to be setting Air cons on top of that casino. So, its prob military maybe doing something for the highschool? Saw them out there flying around the same time I was. My 2 cents.
  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    Thanks for the input. This one is green and flew for almost 4 hours in a pattern between saguaro lake (only a couple rotations out that far) and between Talking Stick and about Taliesin (not sure how far west they went but could not be far given how long they were gone from eye or ear shot).

    I doubt it's a high school PR event. 4 hours is a long time to operate for 14 yo stoners.
  • 12-13-2012
    longhairmike
    flying patterns dont phase me,, its the crashing ones i worry about.

    helimech,, does the FAA 500' sparsely populated clearance rule not apply over res land (they don't cover that when you take ground classes in IL,, its like,, 'rotor clouds,, yeah whatever')
  • 12-13-2012
    Jayem
    Boeing makes them in Mesa.
  • 12-13-2012
    Phillbo
    I thought it was 1000' min altitude over populated areas.

    It's not the altitude of this guy so much as the total random pattern and continuous flight in the same area for so long.

    He had to be mapping something but i could not detect any pattern to his random flight path.


    Heli, any connection at Scottsdale ATC that may be able to shed some light?
  • 12-13-2012
    Jayem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by longhairmike View Post
    flying patterns dont phase me,, its the crashing ones i worry about.

    helimech,, does the FAA 500' sparsely populated clearance rule not apply over res land (they don't cover that when you take ground classes in IL,, its like,, 'rotor clouds,, yeah whatever')

    For airplanes, there is the 500' rule.

    The 500' rule doesn't apply in "other than sparsely populated areas". In those "other" areas, the rule is simply high enough that you can make an emergency landing if the engine goes out. This is liberally interpreted at times, but can also be interpreted to be "reckless" (why people hit power lines, etc).

    Helicopters generally fly lower than airplanes and use different rules.
  • 12-13-2012
    Jayem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    I thought it was 1000' min altitude over populated areas.

    It's not the altitude of this guy so much as the total random pattern and continuous flight in the same area for so long.

    He had to be mapping something but i could not detect any pattern to his random flight path.


    Heli, any connection at Scottsdale ATC that may be able to shed some light?

    The boeing plant is right next to Falcon Field.
  • 12-13-2012
    helimech
    James, Boeing retrofits them in mesa and builds them in PA. So maybe just flight testing??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????
    Phil, I have no connection with SDL ATC. Where I saw them turning circles was way south and might be out've SDLs area? Was wondering why they were there myself, since I have a history with those PIGS. All fun!!.
  • 12-13-2012
    Mtn-Rider
    Or maybe it was delivering xmas toys for kids, like these guys did to Havasupai.

    Headline . . .
  • 12-13-2012
    longhairmike
    with the terrain out here, the only safe emergency landing is on a road or a golf course...
  • 12-13-2012
    Jayem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by helimech View Post
    James, Boeing retrofits them in mesa and builds them in PA. So maybe just flight testing??????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????
    Phil, I have no connection with SDL ATC. Where I saw them turning circles was way south and might be out've SDLs area? Was wondering why they were there myself, since I have a history with those PIGS. All fun!!.

    I've seen advertisements for boeing production jobs at their facility there. They have a heliport right next to the airport and there's a warning in the AFD book to "NOT MISTAKE THE FIELD FOR AN AIRPORT". They had been advertising a Chinook pilot job for a long time. I guess they found at least one!

    Go check google maps and go just north of Falcon Field. Big helicopter operation there. I flew down there fairly regularly and they never seemed to be flying the helicopters around much, but they were there for sure.
  • 12-13-2012
    longhairmike
    i live on the top of a hill in red mountain ranch and i see helicopters of all kinds slow flying no more than 100-200' agl just northwest of thomas and higley
  • 12-14-2012
    Maadjurguer
    Folks....the Apache Block III refit of Block I, II's and II+'s are going on and ramping up at the Higley plant....volume in terms of production increases significantly in 2013....so you're going to see more AH-64's doing their flights out over the rez out towards the lake and back. This is compounded by the 68 wartime loss of aircraft over the past few years which will also be replaced as Block III's....this thing was designed to stop T-72's through the Fulda Gap where they did not have to worry about sand issues as we've seen operating in two extended land wars in south west asia.

    My best guess is the Chinook is used as a test-bed aircraft given it's interior size.
  • 12-14-2012
    helimech
    Talk about interior size Maad: I once had the tailboom from a Apache inside the sh!thook and its fuselage on a longline hooked on the hook. So ya, its a big test bed
    :-).
  • 12-14-2012
    az3075
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    Could be the same one I saw last year practicing landings just nort of Phx. Sonoran Preserve in North Phoenix. I left the trail and bushwacked through the desert to take a closer look.. here's the shot I got...
  • 12-14-2012
    Phillbo
    Not the same bird .
  • 12-14-2012
    longhairmike
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    Not the same bird .

    but,,, its got the spinny things...
  • 12-14-2012
    Phillbo
    yup but not enough of the big spinny thang.