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    Chicken Point - White Line

    There are so many great lines in and around Sedona, rolling sandstone bliss. Once in a great while, a new line is found and then goes down for the first time. This one deserves special recognition, special notice simply because it is that good (and noone died).

    While sitting upon Chicken Point along the Broken Arrow Trail, there is a distinct and mysterious white line high and above in the sheer sandstone wall (rock and geo people please feel free to enter your 'White Line' reasoning ... here). The white line stands out boldly about 70 feet above the classic vantage point. Sheer cliff, 200 feet of mistake and a small off cambre line that traverses along the way. (Insert: Do NOT try this line ... EVER.)

    So today, I get the pleasure of watching Ryan (from Flagstaff) ride this unbelievable skinny, roll down some unimaginable turn onto another off cambre shelf making the long rolling return back to safety. Wow. Disbelief.

    Video proof, you ask? raisingarizona has it and I can't wait to see it. Of course, I got to see it happen with my own eyes today. UNBELIEVABLE
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    Sounds way cool, zul, can't wait to see it!! The white line? The red rock exposed throughout Sedona is comprised of the Supai Formation, Permian in age (about 280 to 230 million years ago). The Supai is representative of sedimentation into a near tidal/deltaic environment (think Mississippi or Nile Delta). The red is from very minor amounts of iron naturally occurring in the sediment; mostly red/oxidized because it was "subaerial" deposition. The white bands are simply layers of fine-grained sandstone that has some slightly different characteristic--different cement, "induration," source of the sand, etc. The Supai formation overlies the Redwall Limestone in Grand Canyon; the limestone is actually gray, but stained red because of rainwater washing Supai mud down the face of the limestone.

    TMI? Geology is my background, and I seldom have a chance to be a geo-nerd anymore. Thanks for the soapbox!

    Now...about that video, looking forward to seeing it!!

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    Just to add to Gila's red rock intel...also represented are the Hermit and Schnebly Hill Formations. Permian in age as well, but a bit younger than the Supai Group. The Hermit FM separates Supai and Schnebly Hill but Gila is correct that the Supai Group formed in a marine and nearshore coastal plain environments. Supai is exposed down by Oak Creek below Midgely Bridge and out by Scheurman Mtn. Ledge-n-Airy is on top of Supai and trails like Sketch and Under the Radar drop down through it. The Hermit marks a big change from the more wet coastal marine conditions at the time of the Supai to river floodplain deposits. Most of Sedona sits on eroding slopes of Hermit mudstones and siltstones. The overlying Schnebly Hill and Coconino Formations are the transition from mostly coastal eolian or wind deposits to an inland ldune field like the Sahara.

    Chicken Point is in the Schnebly Hill Formation and I'll venture a guess that the white line or layer that Zul is referring to is the Fort Apache Limestone. For a short time the sea encroached into the area and deposited limestone. It forms a prominent layer in places such as the Merry Go Round. Highline traverses along the bench formed by the more resistant Fort Apache. I believe Hangover also utilizes this layer.

    Sorry for rambling. Sedona has some amazing geology. Let's see the vid raisingAZ

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    Dang, I didn't think it was quite that unbelievable. It did get my heart rate up and kept me up at night thinking about it though. Raisingarizona saw the line last week and when he showed it to me I thought "why did you have to see that?" That guy sees the most creative lines. He's got a talent for that. Its really not as sketchy as it looks from below. The actual line is pretty simple, the fact that its 200 feet above the ground makes it fun to watch.

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    I think I'm waiting to show the footage until my whole winter season edit is done, patience yall. I'm collecting all kinds of visual goodies, I think it will be done by May. Thanks M77R for the compliments, now..........who wants to shred some red this afternoon?

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    Rockman, this line is not the FA limestone, it's the very thin white line below there. I thought it might be a calcium deposit? The actual White Line has been ridden quite a bit in the past but I doubt the committing turn facing the death exposure then onto the lower shelf has been ever seriously thought of, I was calling this addition to the White Line Do Or Die. Seems appropriate with the seriousness of consequence. This is getting me fired up, I haven't tried it yet so maybe today?
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    I"ll have a look today if I ride the Hogs but this thread really needs a pic of said horizontal anomaly.

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    Ok, I can't resist, out of all the angles and shots we got of this line this one is my least favorite so here ya go, a little teaser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11k0x_82sY

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    Damn!

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    Simply, wow!
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    Very cool

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    da-ahmmmm!

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    Awesome! Can't wait to see the rest of this...
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    Teaser indeed. Well played sir!

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    Impressive, both in riding and scoping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Rockman, this line is not the FA limestone, it's the very thin white line below there. I thought it might be a calcium deposit? The actual White Line has been ridden quite a bit in the past but I doubt the committing turn facing the death exposure then onto the lower shelf has been ever seriously thought of, I was calling this addition to the White Line Do Or Die. Seems appropriate with the seriousness of consequence. This is getting me fired up, I haven't tried it yet so maybe today?

    The selfish and practical side of me wants you to will the raw footage to someone first.

    Awesome video and riding. Even if I had the skill, can't say I'd hang it out there quite that far these days. Hats off and kudos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Rockman, this line is not the FA limestone, it's the very thin white line below there. I thought it might be a calcium deposit? The actual White Line has been ridden quite a bit in the past but I doubt the committing turn facing the death exposure then onto the lower shelf has been ever seriously thought of, I was calling this addition to the White Line Do Or Die. Seems appropriate with the seriousness of consequence. This is getting me fired up, I haven't tried it yet so maybe today?
    Yep, I can see that from your vid. It's probably just a horizon that has a bit more quartz cement and less calcite and groundwater leached out the red, oxide minerals. Maybe, just a guess but a similar, more resistant layer on below Damifino Saddle makes the climb rideable.

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    That's looks awesome !

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Ok, I can't resist, out of all the angles and shots we got of this line this one is my least favorite so here ya go, a little teaser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11k0x_82sY
    ra:

    Since I am a Sedona mountain bike destination marketing pimp, am I allowed to send this teaser clip to the World Class Skinny Ledge Riding (WCSLR) crowd? The diversity of Sedona riding is amazing I look forward to the future video with all the other segments.

    I spoke with Annie's owner the other day and he said he was going to try out the Merry Go Round drop you showed previously. Did you nail that section yet?

    There is another section of WCSLR called White Line Fever that is located on the west facing wall below the Damifino trail. Bike Doc use to try and get some of the more skilled riders out there to try it out, it might be a spot to get some additional footage.

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    HOLY ****!!!!! That is bad a**!!!!!

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    crazy cats. so your vantage is from the chicken point sitting and admiring the surroundings point - he climbed up from that spot? wow, just wow, that deserves a "super-duper."

    oops, re-read, yes above the observation point. crazy killa cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    ra:

    Since I am a Sedona mountain bike destination marketing pimp, am I allowed to send this teaser clip to the World Class Skinny Ledge Riding (WCSLR) crowd? The diversity of Sedona riding is amazing I look forward to the future video with all the other segments.

    I spoke with Annie's owner the other day and he said he was going to try out the Merry Go Round drop you showed previously. Did you nail that section yet?

    There is another section of WCSLR called White Line Fever that is located on the west facing wall below the Damifino trail. Bike Doc use to try and get some of the more skilled riders out there to try it out, it might be a spot to get some additional footage.

    TD
    Not yet, haven't been back but it's good to go. I'm confident it will be sweet. Damn, I find sweet lines and others get to drop em, hehe. Next ride...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Ok, I can't resist, out of all the angles and shots we got of this line this one is my least favorite so here ya go, a little teaser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11k0x_82sY
    I just threw up a little in my mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    ra:

    Since I am a Sedona mountain bike destination marketing pimp, am I allowed to send this teaser clip to the World Class Skinny Ledge Riding (WCSLR) crowd? The diversity of Sedona riding is amazing I look forward to the future video with all the other segments.

    I spoke with Annie's owner the other day and he said he was going to try out the Merry Go Round drop you showed previously. Did you nail that section yet?

    There is another section of WCSLR called White Line Fever that is located on the west facing wall below the Damifino trail. Bike Doc use to try and get some of the more skilled riders out there to try it out, it might be a spot to get some additional footage.

    TD
    Send it anywhere you like, I can't wait to share this segment I'm working on, it takes time and man so much work!

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    amazing, cant wait to see the rest!

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    Hmmm, cool. Kinda thought you were gonna roll something? Nice RaisingAZ.
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    Always wondered if anything up there was actually rideable. Still not sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Ok, I can't resist, out of all the angles and shots we got of this line this one is my least favorite so here ya go, a little teaser.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i11k0x_82sY
    Holy crap! That's pretty incredible! Makes my hands and feet sweat just watching it!!

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    Wow, that takes some nerve. Even if it's not technically challenging (not saying it isn't, that left hand turn look scaaary) it's down-right spooky. I was shaking just riding across that slickrock face on HO, kept thinking my left pedal would hit the rock face and send me off my bike and down to the bottom
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    That's funny. I love internet muscles.
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    ... did a ride down that line yesterday with the Bossman, Kachina Ryan, several dogs and Lyonal. Usually not so down for steep slick rock as you know, but that one works.

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    I did a line like that yesterday....then I woke up screaming.....

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    Holy crap is right! Penalty for failure is absolute.

    How wide is the lower ledge? From the wide perspective in that vid clip it looks non-existent (The white line ledge doesn't look too wide either for that matter).
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    That looks freakin sick...I'm skeerded just watching you.

    Chalk another one up for lines I will never ever attempt

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinatorj
    ... did a ride down that line yesterday with the Bossman, Kachina Ryan, several dogs and Lyonal. Usually not so down for steep slick rock as you know, but that one works.
    sinatorj:

    How long is the total line that is rideable? Does the video only show a short segment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    sinatorj:

    How long is the total line that is rideable? Does the video only show a short segment?

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    maybe 200 vert feet. Not too sure. enough to really jack you up if something goes wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    That's funny. I love internet muscles.
    Yo RA, don't get me wrong! Your move is sic, but your other vids show your skills on those steep rollers. Don't throw me in with above comment. Who is the "MostRad" guy??? Keep up the cool vids . Will hookup with ya in sedonuts sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    ra:

    I spoke with Annie's owner the other day and he said he was going to try out the Merry Go Round drop you showed previously. Did you nail that section yet?

    TD
    I rode with Annie's owner Saturday up to chicken point looking for the entrance to this line after just running into Ryan and hearing about it. Neither one of us could quit find it. My guess is about a 150 yard hike from top of CP on the west side?

    Hey TD, I hear your riding again.....congrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helimech
    Yo RA, don't get me wrong! Your move is sic, but your other vids show your skills on those steep rollers. Don't throw me in with above comment. Who is the "MostRad" guy??? Keep up the cool vids . Will hookup with ya in sedonuts sometime.
    Haha! No Worries, it was aimed towards "that guy" anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Haha! No Worries, it was aimed towards "that guy" anyways.
    BTW, Most of the shots aren't me. I see lines but I also see shots for vid, unfortunately I can't do both at the same time so I send friends down stuff for shooting. I'm getting super stoked on editing and filming these days, it's a really cool creative outlet and I hope to put stuff together to promote Flagstaff Gravity Riders, the local riding, and whatever else transpires. Thanks again, RA

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    Quote Originally Posted by traildoc
    sinatorj:

    How long is the total line that is rideable? Does the video only show a short segment?

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    Hey TD, SinatorJ is talking about a line to lookers right we have been riding, it's a cool compilation of steep slickrock rollers, some fast and some slow and super steep. It's really fun when dialed. I think we are calling it One Sixty Fourths Cherokee, or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    BTW, Most of the shots aren't me. I see lines but I also see shots for vid, unfortunately I can't do both at the same time so I send friends down stuff for shooting. I'm getting super stoked on editing and filming these days, it's a really cool creative outlet and I hope to put stuff together to promote Flagstaff Gravity Riders, the local riding, and whatever else transpires. Thanks again, RA
    keep it up! you're vids are fun to watch, thanks for posting them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball
    keep it up! you're vids are fun to watch, thanks for posting them.
    Thanks Chollaball, everyones positive feedback is quality inspiration to get after it. I can't express enough how much it matters because it's not all fun, in fact it sometimes feels more like work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Thanks Chollaball, everyones positive feedback is quality inspiration to get after it. I can't express enough how much it matters because it's not all fun, in fact it sometimes feels more like work.
    spending an hour and a half to get a fade moved back .72 seconds feels like work?



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