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    Buying a new Single Speed...options

    Getting a new single speed is a PIA.

    I wish bike manufacturers realized that the SS market is a growing segment of mountain biking.

    Here are my options...

    Bikes with slider dropouts.

    Build......2500+ that's probably on the low end and more than I want to pay.



    Civilian Luddite SS .....contacted Civilian and was told they were having manufacturing problems, no luddites until 2014.

    Salsa El Mariachi SS ..... said they would have them in the fall and they won't be a limited edition (only 300 bikes last time around), guess they got the message from their dealers.

    Kona unit.... waiting for the 2014 model


    Looks like Fall

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    Are there no 2013 Units? I'm not surprised by the Salsa news -- a buddy of mine got one and it's a really nice setup.
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    wouldnt it be ironic if the Luddite came with built in GPS?

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    Why not support a local manufacturer and go with a Vassago? I have a Jabber and really like it...although I've not really ridden another SS so nothing to compare to. I've emailed them a few times within the last two days about getting some Jabbernutz and they have gotten back to me within an hour or two each time. Seems like customer support is top-notch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B View Post
    Are there no 2013 Units? I'm not surprised by the Salsa news -- a buddy of mine got one and it's a really nice setup.

    The only thing that that kept me from buying a 2013 Kona was the bare frame and now I would image they are gearing up for the 2014 model, I like the salsa with the rocker dropouts,my first choice.

    Well actually my first choice would be a Vassago OptimusTi like Walt's.

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    Buying a new Single Speed...options

    You can always buy my Medium Kermit green 2011 Niner SIR9 frame w/ Gen 2 EBB + Thomson seat post + headset for $500, and build up from there...
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    I got a Titanium frame, and haven't got around to selling this yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Well actually my first choice would be a Vassago OptimusTi like Walt's.
    If you can't, get a Jabber or one of the new Verhauen's...they ROCK!
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    There's some Niner One9 frames on clearance on the web dealers. Just a frame, but you could eBay and sale surf for the other parts and build it up from there.

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    If you're looking for a frame and don't want Walt's rust bucket and creaky Sir9 (lol....sorry Walt!), I have a 2010 Lynskey Ridgeline(Ti) frame that I'm selling. (has sliders)
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    If you want a frame and don't want Walt's rust bucket, or Raybum's decommissioned soviet submarine turned bicycle, then I have a brand new warranty replacement Rocky Mountain Hammer 29er Frame (size L) :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    If you're looking for a frame and don't want Walt's rust bucket and creaky Sir9 (lol....sorry Walt!), I have a 2010 Lynskey Ridgeline(Ti) frame that I'm selling. (has sliders)
    WOWWWWWW..!!!!!

    You mean the Ti frame that got run over by a car last year...? Certainly is durable, that titanium...!!! (Hehe...sorry Ray!!) ;-)
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    How about a Reeb?

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
    You can always buy my Medium Kermit green 2011 Niner SIR9 frame w/ Gen 2 EBB + Thomson seat post + headset for $500, and build up from there...
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    I got a Titanium frame, and haven't got around to selling this yet.




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    Good looking frame, but I want to go new (haven't had a new bike in a long time) and stick with sliders.


    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
    If you can't, get a Jabber or one of the new Verhauen's...they ROCK!
    Saw that Verhauen at Swiss, nice looking frame, whaddya think 2 1/2 times the cost of the frame for an average build ?
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    Buying a new Single Speed...options

    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Saw that Verhauen at Swiss, nice looking frame, whaddya think 2 1/2 times the cost of the frame for an average build ?
    Depends on if you have any parts to start with. The two biggest expenses will be a wheelset and a fork. Figure a grand, minimum, for those.


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    Re: Buying a new Single Speed...options

    Specialized Carve SL 29! Best rigid carbon fork out right now. awesome frame great rims and tires hydraulic brakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by razardica View Post
    How about a Reeb?

    REEB looks like a great frame just too expensive compared to other options.


    The best value IMO is the Lynskey silver series Ti frames at $1099. I contacted and asked if they could do a slider as an option.......No.

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    Walt's SIR would be a great option!

    I have 2 SIR's and love them. If anyone is have issues with the BB creaking, try using the Oatey's Pipe Joint Compound and the problem will be solved.

    See page #58 for complete instructions - https://s3.amazonaws.com/NinerDocs/N...RS_UNIVERS.pdf
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    You could get a Carve SL or a Unit.

    Reeb is expensive but it's great tubing and has Paragon sliders - you get what you pay for.

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    Look at FORM cycles very nice indeed. local and worth a look. maybe out of your price range- www.formcycles.com
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    Buying a new Single Speed...options

    Buy local.
    Nobody gives a s#$t you singlespeed.

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    The Gunnar Rockhound is one of the best riding frames out there for the money. Made in Waterford by guys that have been building frames much longer than the others mentioned. 853 tubing and solid geometry.
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    If you don't care about having something fancy, the Kona Unit is a solid frame, I've got about 4,000 miles on my 2011 white Kona Unit and I'm happy as a clam with it. Sure it weighs about a pound more than a nice Ti frame, but it's also a frame you can pick up for about $300 on eBay, which is about, oh $1500 to $2500 less than a nice Ti frame.

    I could have snagged a Kona Raijin last year on a bro-deal for a great price, but just couldn't pull the trigger, the Unit is great, I didn't feel the need to switch to a higher end frame just because.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randyharris View Post
    If you don't care about having something fancy, the Kona Unit is a solid frame, I've got about 4,000 miles on my 2011 white Kona Unit and I'm happy as a clam with it. Sure it weighs about a pound more than a nice Ti frame, but it's also a frame you can pick up for about $300 on eBay, which is about, oh $1500 to $2500 less than a nice Ti frame.

    I could have snagged a Kona Raijin last year on a bro-deal for a great price, but just couldn't pull the trigger, the Unit is great, I didn't feel the need to switch to a higher end frame just because.


    I'm seriously considering the Kona, just waiting for the 2014 and hopefully they paint the frame.
    My other option is the el mariachi ss.

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    Titanium is super nice - light, forgiving and it will last you forever.

    You end up spending so much on maintenance - especially tires over the lifetime of the bike that initial investment doesn't looks so bad when you add everything up.

    Vassago and lynskey are top notch American made titanium frames. They will also retain their value better than a cheap ass chinese frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    If you're looking for a frame and don't want Walt's rust bucket and creaky Sir9 (lol....sorry Walt!), I have a 2010 Lynskey Ridgeline(Ti) frame that I'm selling. (has sliders)
    Hey Ray, what is the total weight of you current bike, Lynskey Pro that is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Titanium is super nice - light, forgiving and it will last you forever.

    You end up spending so much on maintenance - especially tires over the lifetime of the bike that initial investment doesn't looks so bad when you add everything up.

    Vassago and lynskey are top notch American made titanium frames. They will also retain their value better than a cheap ass chinese frame.

    Agree with you 100% on the Vassago and Lynskey.

    I just don't understand why U.S. bike frame manufacturers can't build an entry level mountain bike in the $1000 - 1500 range.

    Seriously, if Worksmancycles can build a complete bike in NYC for $389 I'm sure a mtn bike could be built and sold for less than $1500.

    Industrial Bicycles from Worksman Cycles

    Problem is most builders here in the USA have figured out all they have to build is a frame and they can make a pretty good business out of it.

    So....it looks like my foray into the SS world is going to be on a cheap ass Taiwanese bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Hey Ray, what is the total weight of you current bike, Lynskey Pro that is?
    23.5 lbs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    23.5 lbs...
    24.10 for my new Vassago OptimusTi, with a heavy-duty wheelset...


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    Hey Azpilot,
    What size frame do you need? I know a guy who has a Ritchey p-29er, brand new, never been built up, and he would let it go for a low price.
    I have just converted my p-29er over to single speed, 22.5 with everything. Great bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    Agree with you 100% on the Vassago and Lynskey.

    I just don't understand why U.S. bike frame manufacturers can't build an entry level mountain bike in the $1000 - 1500 range.

    Seriously, if Worksmancycles can build a complete bike in NYC for $389 I'm sure a mtn bike could be built and sold for less than $1500.

    Industrial Bicycles from Worksman Cycles

    Problem is most builders here in the USA have figured out all they have to build is a frame and they can make a pretty good business out of it.

    So....it looks like my foray into the SS world is going to be on a cheap ass Taiwanese bike.
    A Worksman is outfitted with about $100 of parts (cost) and is a frame that mimics geometry of so many bikes before it. A grocery getters geo is not as crucial as an Mtb obviously, so those types of frame are "one take and produce".

    When making a high end Mtb frame, it may go through 6 or more iterations before the builder is happy. Then they have to invest in tooling and jigs, and good metal- all of which is a little pricey. Plus most American welder a wont work for $3 a day and a bowl of fish head soup. That's why high end USA bikes cost dough. Add in that an American can be sued by some JRA idiot while the Taiwanese builder can't be found to even register a kudo and there you have it.

    Like you I wish I could afford some high end awesome sauce right now- but I am super happy with my Jabberwocky. Rides very well, handles and climbs great and a decent price with good customer device. And even though the frame was built overseas, it was designed right here in AZ and my money stays somewhat local.

    Let us know what you get!


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    I really love my Cannondale Trail SS. They are inexpensive and the 2013 frame is legit. After upgrading most of the components I still came out under $1500. I haven't looked at my FS since.

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    I wonder why Moots doesn't do anything with single speeds. Their bikes are great. A single speed YBB? Probably amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tysonnemb View Post
    I wonder why Moots doesn't do anything with single speeds. Their bikes are great. A single speed YBB? Probably amazing.
    They do.

    Mooto x with the slider dropout option......no frame is worth almost $4000. IMO

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    What year is that Carve? Nice ride! I have been searching for one at the shops and they are out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
    24.10 for my new Vassago OptimusTi, with a heavy-duty wheelset...


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    My Taiwanese Ti frame 10 speed is 25 lbs - the difference is probably my cassette, derauiller and the thick sidewall UST casing on the rear tire.

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    Maybe look into the One-One Inbred. I just bought my second frame from them. At $250, it was hard to beat for the price. I also picked up a new stem, post, and bars, and it was ~$350 for everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    They do.

    Mooto x with the slider dropout option......no frame is worth almost $4000. IMO
    No joke!


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    Quote Originally Posted by menant74 View Post
    What year is that Carve? Nice ride! I have been searching for one at the shops and they are out!
    2013. Yea it it's impossible to find. The bike store was saying that the new models will be released soon so they aren't manufacturing them right now. Even then they said it probably wouldn't be something they would keep stock in the store. I found it new off CL from a bike mechanic.

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    I get Different answers from different shops and even a "ya just come on in we'll order one or you" oh well I guess I got to be patient.
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRoweShow View Post
    2013. Yea it it's impossible to find. The bike store was saying that the new models will be released soon so they aren't manufacturing them right now. Even then they said it probably wouldn't be something they would keep stock in the store. I found it new off CL from a bike mechanic.

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    I think Soul cycles is local and they make the Dillenger. Would that work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 28/29 WIT View Post
    I think Soul cycles is local and they make the Dillenger. Would that work?
    Not a bad frame,but they don't have slider dropouts.

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