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    Building a riding community wtih one BURGUNDY van

    This thread is in response to the one that was started yesterday and shut down in a few hours after 3 pages of discussion...this is out side of the story.


    I understand that there is some animosity between road riders and DHr's or DHr's and the rest of the world...but we're trying to create a riding community with the burgundy van and the last 2 years of Wednesday morning shuttles....

    We chose wed. because it's the middle of the work week and fewer people are on the trails that we love to rip and on the road that we drive to the top of. We were actually considering other people on this decision...

    The purpose of the burgundy van is to transport riders to the top in a safe manner. Before we were stacking many people into the back of a pickup and realized that it was very unsafe to do so, when the opportunity to purchase the van arose we had to jump on it and put her to work. 15 people with 15 seatbelts = a safer day on the hill.

    As for the commercial interests: we make 0, zero, zilch, nada in running the van on wed. mornings. We do this to take our friends and new riders We ask for donations to cover the gas in the 10 mile a gallon guzzler, insurance in case something happens and over $2000 worth of repairs to keep the beast running as to date and other expenses ie, tire rubber, trailers, bungy's, etc. The reason for the commercial plate is to protect us from liability in the event someone gets the bright idea to sue us...(the wife's wouldn't have it any other way) We know that it is wrong to be making money off the park and if we did we would donate it back to help with trail access and maintenance.

    As for trail destruction...us DHr's/ FR's/ AM's/ 29r's/ riders that frequent the bus put no extra strain on the trail system that is already there. We actually stop for a minute and repair damage that has be done by "rock fairies" and if needs be...mother nature. If we could schedule a day for maintenance with the park service...we'd be all over that. (I will discuss with them on Tuesday to see if this is a possibility)

    Relationship with Rangers: The rangers know what we are up to and understand why we do what we do, when we do it. We have an open dialog with them and anytime they feel we are in the wrong they let us know and we comply. Complaints will happen and we understand that not everyone gets what we do and sometime look down on our fun...but we can't please everyone.

    Noise on road up mountain: We feel that by making our presence known to riders makes a safer road for us all. Riders coming up and riders ripping down. If a dowhhill road rider hears us as he is coming down he is aware that there is something going on below and should use caution...versus us passing in silence creating a surprise for the descending rider. For the ascending riders...we have had 99.99% positive feedback from them. Smiles, thumbs up, shaka's, etc are passed between us and the riders on the road...most of the time. Some riders feel we are making fun of them, but thats not the case...we want to stoke them out mini Tour De France style. (anyone see how many cowbells and whistles are at that race?) Plus the ruckus only lasts for a minute or two and then it's back to your quiet ride. For the .01% that don't like it...sorry for having fun


    Unsafe passing and speeding: we have been driving the road every wed. for the last 2 years and know where the safe spots to pass and the unsafe spots are. Blind corners, narrow spots in road and uncertainness of whats coming down only spells disater. We want to keep doing this for years to come and would hate to have a road rider bounce off our van and ruin it forever...so safety is always a concern. We pass with the maximum distance allowed and in the event that is seems too close is because another rider/car is coming the other direction and we don't want to hit them either. We have been spoken to about our speeds on the hill and have slowed way down...now if we could only say that for the downhill road riders riding the line mach chicken style. We understand you like to go fast (we do too) but having clocked riders over the 15mph speed limit is an hourly occurance on wed. mornings...

    Being unfriendly...we try to wave and say hi to everyone we come across. We have helped numerous road riders who've crashed, have flats and other mechanical issues. Even gave rides down the road and offered up the first aid kit when in need. Hikers and other tourists get friendly info from us daily and we keep the rangers on speed dial whenever we see wrong doings...taggers, illegal/unsafe activities, etc.

    Creating a community...Since starting the wed. morning thread, I've met hundreds of riders from around the globe and locally and am proud to call them all my friends. For the last two years we've been one of the highest viewed/posted on threads on AZ MTBR. We've shared laughs, stoke, scrapes, bruises and blown out side walls. Many others have created friendships and found new riding buddys too. We are here to create a community of riders...no matter if you ride a full on DH Sled, and AM bike or a HT 29r...we've had them all on the van and we welcome everyone who wants increase their skills and ride some sweet trails. Feel free to flame on or whatever this site drives people to do, but this is our side of the story and we're sticking to it. See you wed. morning for some more shred action!!!!

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    Nicely worded Bob. Now say all that like your on the job .
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    Goin once, goin twice, sold!!!

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    Paul hasn't closed this yet?I thought the word "van"was the trigger word for thread closing.Or was it "burgundy"?
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    Right on point Bob!

    It will be cooling off outside soon and I'm sure the tensions will cool down as well.

    Happy and safe riding to everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scary
    Paul hasn't closed this yet?I thought the word "van"was the trigger word for thread closing.Or was it "burgundy"?
    It's getting kind of old, don't you think ?


    Well said, Bob ! I have never been in "The Van" but I look forward to it one day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenobite39
    It's getting kind of old, don't you think ?


    Well said, Bob ! I have never been in "The Van" but I look forward to it one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
    DO IT, then think (dream) about the Firebird Phoenix

    jebus...the dude just droped coin on the dirty bird and is lovin it....don't egg him on

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    Nicely put!!!!! Good stuff........Drew

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    jebus...the dude just droped coin on the dirty bird and is lovin it....don't egg him on
    Can't help it, I saw it at the gulch when I was leaving one Wed and I was smitten. Not $6k smitten, but I'm diggin it.

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    I would like to take a ride on the Burgundy van. Where do this happen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thats2odd
    I would like to take a ride on the Burgundy van. Where do this happen?
    check wed. morning shuttle thread for info, pics, vids and randomness...

    come on out!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by latedropbob
    check wed. morning shuttle thread for info, pics, vids and randomness...

    come on out!!!
    I most certainly will check out that thread. Sounds like a BLAST in the Ron Burgundy Van! FU San Diego!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thats2odd
    I most certainly will check out that thread. Sounds like a BLAST in the Rod Burgundy Van! FU San Diego!!
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    Well said Ambassador...

    I've ridden an driven the Burg several times and don't think u could ask for a couple better guys to do what they do. I've been a licensed driver for 32 years with 1 accident under my belt an have never felt we were being unsafe in the van. I have seen several close calls with Roadies coming down the hill a lil to fast to stay in their lane but due to Bobs or Andy's awareness we have given them extra room when needed. THX Bob and Andy for what you do!!! Disclaimer -If Swampy was driving, for some reason ,I may not be able to stand behind previous statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cesslinger
    DO IT, then think (dream) about the Firebird Phoenix
    Man, I am so afraid that right about the time I'm ready to sack up and get a big bike, that sweet-ass (expensive) Phoenix is gonna hit the market and leave me so poor I won't even be able to pay attention !

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    the burgybrapp even attracts some of us fellows from the wrong side of the tracks(t-town) and we always feel totally welcome by everyone and have a blast. i think its a shame if you dont put a little toy money back in your pocket from this venture that provides so much fun for so many people. we love you bob. dont ever change.

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    wish i didn't switch work schedules so i could still be going
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    As recent returnee from a very long hiatus in Colorado, I for one would still be doing most of my solo if it weren't for the efforts of the Burgundy Crew. Thx for everything you guys do! Now if I could only find some time to actually make a wednesday morning shuttle these days that would be sweet.
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    Way to represent without the junior crowd ruining it....I need a big bike.

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    That was totally refreshing! I like to throw digs at the DH types because I know they can take it. In fact- lobbed one this morning that I am not sure was taken right- but really don't care. I am a proud, XC geek that wears lycra and only rides the road to train (on a $450 24.5 lb road bike) but know how the DH think. I spent the last four years practically living with and traveling the USA with the best in the Freestyle Moto Cross world, so I have thicker skin for insult than most of my brethren. I still would like to shuttle up and ride down on my SS. I can clear any trail at Somo-just maybe not as fast.

    Having spent all that time with the FMX crowd, and many years before that with the straigt up MX crowd, I can see exactly where the rift comes from-right or wrong.

    I have been on here under two names since 1997 (my old acct got screwed up) and have seen it evovle as a sometime poster/big time lurker. Back when I started in here, it was a pretty small and tight group and it was almost all XC. The word "freeride" and "all mountain" had not been invented yet. You were just a rider, burly or super nuts bad ass. DH meant you rocked a 100mm fork on your XC ride and maybe even had disc brakes. As time went on, new classes were added and they evolved. FR,AM and DH drew in some XC burly types, but mostly it added fresh new faces to the sport of mountain biking and we now had to be classified. Then it wasn't so bad to be classified and it was just what you did. Of course, just as roadies harshed on XC guys in the 80's-90's now the XC guys harsh on everyone else and vice versa. Pretty stupid, but it happens when things evolve and purists feel threatened. It is much easier and comfortable for a person to single out a group as a whole rather than individuals. I think this is because if you offend a group with your group vs. mano a mano- your chances of getting punched in the mouth seem far lower.

    Instead of one two wheeled user group trying to fight and and kick another two wheeled user group off the mountain- we should all combine numbers to fight the ones who hate ALL of us- not just XC,FR,DH,AM,ASS's at the same time. For instance- we should band together against horse people. I have seen gravity junkies on trail maintenance. I have never, ever seen horse riders do maintenance to anything but thier corrals andd poop machines.

    I think the OP really dug deep here, and maybe even made some of his compatriots snicker and call him a suck up ***** under their breath. Now **** this, I'm going to Shabooms!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue109
    the burgybrapp even attracts some of us fellows from the wrong side of the tracks(t-town) and we always feel totally welcome by everyone and have a blast. i think its a shame if you dont put a little toy money back in your pocket from this venture that provides so much fun for so many people. we love you bob. dont ever change.
    I'll agree with this. I came up a couple 3 thimes from Tucson and they were nothing but curtious and welcoming. Heck I was even being used for my medical skills if something happened. good thing nothing did....... oh wait spiders.... But really they did a great job of relaying where and where not to ride(bottom of geronimo, I think). I cant wait to get to head up and do it some more! keep doing what your doing guys!

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    as you can imagine many downhillers also ride Motocross bikes, i couldn't go from dirt-bike to all mountain had to have some long travel full suspension and it is a similar crowd and riding experience.
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    Oh yeah- lots of my current and former moto customers/friends do big hit bikes. In fact one has a med Santa Cruz VP Free he is looking to offload cheap, and I am getting more interested as I become less cash poor! BTW- for some nice pics/write ups go to his site at bicycleworld.tv as he has been shooting at Whistler, crankworks and others. Looks like so much fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    Oh yeah- lots of my current and former moto customers/friends do big hit bikes. In fact one has a med Santa Cruz VP Free he is looking to offload cheap, and I am getting more interested as I become less cash poor! BTW- for some nice pics/write ups go to his site at bicycleworld.tv as he has been shooting at Whistler, crankworks and others. Looks like so much fun!
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    Thats usually it. Sometimes the shaft gets a wear groove in it- but either way- both easy fixes. Shoot me a line at North Valley when you need parts or service. 10% off on all parts (and sometimes better if there is wiggle room ) for all MTBR'rs. Just ask for Cory in service- 602-996-9280.
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    Actually I think it would be funny if the van was behind me with the cowbells while I was on my road bike and would not be mad at all. Yup there are some bad attitudes with some roadies, but some of us roadies also mountain bike. I am looking forward to the day where I am comfortable enough on the DH trails to join you guys in the van. It would sure beat climbing up National on my Reign X to head down Geronimo, only to have the pleasure of HAB up Mormon. Until then enjoy you bike no matter what kind it is

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    Great post Bob! I'm not able to enjoy the Wednesday morning rides, but the weekend rides I've been on have been epic!

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    Obviously this was a complete misunderstanding. Perhaps worse than politics and religion is the all-too-common MAROON vs. BURGUNDY debate...

    Although you'll never see me in that CRIMSON van with my hardtail and all of 100mm of fork travel, I'm with you......

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    Great post Bob. Not only have I had good times with the people in the van, but I've also met a few good friends in just a short period of time.

    As far as the van being safe, I have never had a problem with the driver being reckless. It is usually the driver looking out for the roadies and playing it safe around the blind corners.

    Thanks again for your contribution to the community, I know Wednesdays are always a day that I and many others look forward too every week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhxChem
    Obviously this was a complete misunderstanding. Perhaps worse than politics and religion is the all-too-common MAROON vs. BURGUNDY debate...

    Although you'll never see me in that CRIMSON van with my hardtail and all of 100mm of fork travel, I'm with you......
    crimson and maroon don't go so well with braap braap so hence the use of burgundy...see you on the trails!!!

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    Burgundy has a sense of refinement yet cheesiness to it. And it goes with brap better.

    It's lame how people make assumptions about people without even meeting them, seeing what they do and how they treat others.

    Well said Bob, and if anyone wants to see what the burgundy van is about, first hand, roll out with them on a Wed. morning.

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    BBB name history. The van was named upon our return from the trip from Las Vegas, to pick up the van at ABC's brother's place, with the sweet stop at Bootleg. It was LDB, ABC, NMPhi and myself. We were unloading, late at my house, when someone came up with the name, and it stuck, like ABC and Baby Drop (aaaaawww). Whether or not you gave a s**t, there you have it.
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    It's a great crew on Wed mornings - I've had a hoot riding with them and credit much of my DH learnin over the last year to the Wed morning runs. I'd vouch for them any day and would be delighted to introduce them all to my mother, my employer, my grandmother, my priest and my kids (don't actually have the last three ). Stand-up people for sure!

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    Great post but I also got a kick outta all the crap in the other post. Pretty funny stuff.

    I'm a SS only and roadie geek but I haven't found much I can't ride. I've ridden GC on a short 3" travel ride a few times with no problem. I would love to hear the vuvuzelas when climbing the road. That would give me a chuckle and a push. However, and here's where I get yelled at, I think it's funny that SoMo is actually 'shuttled'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_FLMB
    Great post but I also got a kick outta all the crap in the other post. Pretty funny stuff.

    I'm a SS only and roadie geek but I haven't found much I can't ride. I've ridden GC on a short 3" travel ride a few times with no problem. I would love to hear the vuvuzelas when climbing the road. That would give me a chuckle and a push. However, and here's where I get yelled at, I think it's funny that SoMo is actually 'shuttled'.

    Keep up the good times!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_FLMB
    Great post but I also got a kick outta all the crap in the other post. Pretty funny stuff.

    I'm a SS only and roadie geek but I haven't found much I can't ride. I've ridden GC on a short 3" travel ride a few times with no problem. I would love to hear the vuvuzelas when climbing the road. That would give me a chuckle and a push. However, and here's where I get yelled at, I think it's funny that SoMo is actually 'shuttled'.

    Keep up the good times!
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    I plan on throwing this group into the "outlaw, surly and skeevy" classification as soon as I meet up with y'all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by latedropbob
    Noise on road up mountain: We feel that by making our presence known to riders makes a safer road for us all. Riders coming up and riders ripping down. If a dowhhill road rider hears us as he is coming down he is aware that there is something going on below and should use caution...versus us passing in silence creating a surprise for the descending rider. For the ascending riders...we have had 99.99% positive feedback from them. Smiles, thumbs up, shaka's, etc are passed between us and the riders on the road...most of the time. Some riders feel we are making fun of them, but thats not the case...we want to stoke them out mini Tour De France style. (anyone see how many cowbells and whistles are at that race?) Plus the ruckus only lasts for a minute or two and then it's back to your quiet ride. For the .01% that don't like it...sorry for having fun

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    Nice sbj. You know you want one on the short bus!

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    Damn, someone needs a hug...

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    I heart Burgundy Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash_FLMB
    However, and here's where I get yelled at, I think it's funny that SoMo is actually 'shuttled'.
    You obviuosly haven't ridden a DH bike.

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    to Bob, Andy, and the van.

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    that is one of the best posts I've ever read.

    I can't believe all the drama this past week! how hard is it to behave online like you would at a friend's wedding? I've been on vacation and in one week rode a multiuse trail with the family, bike park with fullface and flats, XC ride, AM ride, and kids ride. I met and camped next to and rode the gondola with guys on 9inch bikes and guys on rigids with 1.9 tires. how hard is it to just ride and make friends? you get back what you put out, on the bike on the forum and in life. I love my bikes and the world they bring to me. Thanks Bob for putting a mint on the bad flavor catching up on this board left for me - meeting you and your son and good vibes is the type of thing riding should be all about.

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