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    Black Canyon Trail from Rock Springs Conditions

    Rode BC trail Sunday morning going south. Trail is in great condition. River is almost up to my knees on that crossing.... Some dude was sleeping by the river at about 6AM when I crossed... woke poor guy up when I yelled holy F ! slipping on that mud... Poor guy.. sorry about that...

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    Did the LPL from Rock Springs Saturday and yes the trail was in great condition, I wish I could say the same about myself. I have not been riding much this last month and can I just say I probably should not have done that many miles this time of year in my condition, it got a bit scary. Luckily the water I stashed a while back was there and we had also stashed other water that we used and we still ran out. I was riding with a noob and so we were on the trail a lot longer than usual, so I am sure the exposure to the elements didn't help. That was the worst I have ever felt on a ride. But we made and all is good now. About the river I have never seen it that high.
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    Noob here, but what is LPL. I'm looking to do the BCT when it cools off so I'm trying to get as much info as possible in the meantime. Thanks

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    Little Pan Loop.

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    I just went for hour and 45 min and turned back... loop rides in this heat are too much of a risk for me ... no shame in out and back rides...

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    So the Agua Fria is running right now? How do you guys cross? On foot getting your shoes wet? Bike it? Bring spare shoes?

    I rode this just at the start of Monsoon season so the river was dry.
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    I was looking for a place to cross when another rider came by while we were contemplating where and how to cross and he just walked through it so we followed. I have to say my pearl izumi shoes that I have now were much better than my older all leather shoes, they dried a lot quicker and didnít make my feet feel soggy. I took some pictures of the river but am not sure how to load them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    So the Agua Fria is running right now? How do you guys cross? On foot getting your shoes wet? Bike it? Bring spare shoes?

    I rode this just at the start of Monsoon season so the river was dry.
    I bring a pair of tevas and a small towel... its only about 3-5 minutes to change out footwear... I hide the tevas in a bush on the other side of river (if there is only one crossing)... In the future if I am going to do multiple crossings, Ill bring a lighter pair of tevas/flipflops... I hate wet feet...

    When I lived back east, I would have to wear those socks made of wet suit material... There were just too many water crossings to exchange footwear... So that is also an option...

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    ... and if we just ...

    Yeah, I hate riding in wet shoes too...and have tender feet! I've typically brought along cheap flip flops, but find that a pair of crocs work much better...
    btw, definitely don't try and ride through it if it's over about 6" or you'll be doing BB and hub bearing service in the weeks following. Also, it's been posted before so in case you haven't seen it, here's the link for the Agua Fria flow...
    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 09512800 AGUA FRIA RIVER NEAR ROCK SPRINGS, AZ
    BTW, if you look at Aug 21st, the flow went from 2 cfs to over 1000cfs in what looks like a few hours. If you were caught on the other side of the river, you might be there a while! So the lesson learned is if you see big T-storms up in the Bradshaws, you'll want to watch out.
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    thanks guys!
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    I will probably do the same ride either Sat or Sun morning.. leaving th at 5:40AM sharp... Don't know yet... Not sure if there is any interest in joining me ?? I am probably just below average when it comes to ride speed... But I last a long time...

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    I got to the river on Saturday... we turned around. We did take that little off-shoot to the north of the trail though. We went a little late in the day (got to the trailhead at like 10:30), so it was WAY too hot for us.

    Add to that being out of shape and new to mtb'ing... I think it was the right call. Especially if the water was that deep (we threw a rock in to try and judge the depth... we got the "at least 1ft" answer from the splash), as we didn't have spare shoes or anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbAZ44 View Post
    I will probably do the same ride either Sat or Sun morning.. leaving th at 5:40AM sharp... Don't know yet... Not sure if there is any interest in joining me ?? I am probably just below average when it comes to ride speed... But I last a long time...
    Can I let you know on Friday?

    I will be taking Friday off from work and probably doing a morning ride. I might be up for another Sat or Sun. Not sure yet as I need to coordinate schedule with the wife and such and I have been off the bike for a couple weeks.
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    Joe.... sorry, but I'll be scouting for elk near mormon lake this weekend (using the mtn bike)... I have a hunt in October... We can think about another weekend... But letting me know at the last minute is always not a problem...

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    No problem.
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    Ill be at the Rock Springs Trailhead at 530AM tomorrow 9/3/12... Bikes moving on trail at 5:45AM sharp... Let me know if you are interested.. or just show up... Ill be driving a white nissan pickup

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    It'd be nice to get a larger group going on if the Saturdays in the fall. I'm thinking October or November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbAZ44 View Post
    Ill be at the Rock Springs Trailhead at 530AM tomorrow 9/3/12... Bikes moving on trail at 5:45AM sharp... Let me know if you are interested.. or just show up... Ill be driving a white nissan pickup
    Frontier?

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    yes frontier.. 4 cyl

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    I wont be there. I going to ride Maricopa and go-John instead. I am not ready to ride that trail right now. Need to get my butt in better shape. Plus it is looking like a storm tonight. Could be wet in the morning.

    Have good ride guys.
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    started at 5:45 made it to Little Pan turned left and went down to the 2nd river crossing and turned around... Got back to the Trailhead at 9:15... Saw a desert tortoise on the trail.. that was kinda of neat..

    I didn't see any big storms in the watershed last night, but there must have been some good rains in the watershed because the flow increased tremendously overnight... from less than 1 cfs to 200 cfs..

    Breakfast at Bylers was awesome.. y'all need to try their buckweat pancakes...

    I have never liked Rock Springs Cafe... always too crowded and the food is not worth the wait and bad service..
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    Just don't eat at the Kid Chilean's Bad Ass BBQ. My Former neighbors own the place and if they keep the place like they keep their house... YUCK. Very dirty people.

    How deep was the water at the first crossing?
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    I ate at Kid Chileans once and it sucked... very bland food... I was hoping for good barbecue... NOT.. my favorite place in the valley for BBQ is still Waldos in Mesa... Not sure if its still there. I know its a chain but famous daves is pretty darn good too..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    Just don't eat at the Kid Chilean's Bad Ass BBQ. My Former neighbors own the place and if they keep the place like they keep their house... YUCK. Very dirty people.

    How deep was the water at the first crossing?
    You can just hop across on the rocks. The rain brought up lots-o-sharp rocks, on the trail in many places, other than that, trail is great
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoePAz View Post
    How deep was the water at the first crossing?
    sorry, forgot to answer this question... it was past my knees... even deeper than last weeks... it was very deep

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipolopolo View Post
    You can just hop across on the rocks. The rain brought up lots-o-sharp rocks, on the trail in many places, other than that, trail is great
    at 100 - 200 cfs, you can't just hop across rocks and not get wet... there is no way to aviod getting your feet wet with the flow we had yesterday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbAZ44 View Post
    sorry, forgot to answer this question... it was past my knees... even deeper than last weeks... it was very deep
    Wow... I guess I am glad I rode Go-John instead. That trail is fun and all, but that is rather deep water. I bet it was the rain I saw sunday night in the mountains. Especially if you found it deeper than last week. I will probably hold off on this trail until the monsoon dies down a bit.

    Looking at the Link Ray posted... The flow ramped up from less that 1 CFS to 200 CFS on Sept 3th. Down to 20 CFS right now. Water depth went from 1.5 feet to 4 feet. Of course this at gage location not the actual crossing, it helps calibrate to know that 200 CFS and 4 feet deep on the gage is probably about as deep you want to attempt a ride.


    Looking at those charts I rode that trail as on July 14th. Early moring. Flow rate during my ride was zero. Both on the charts and being able ride through and not seing any water. By late in the evening Flow was 5000 CFS and gage of 12 feet. From now on I will be checking this site and weather report before taking this ride. It would have sucked to be stuck on the far bank with water flow as 5000 CFS. I would have been there at least a full day.


    USGS Current Conditions for USGS 09512800 AGUA FRIA RIVER NEAR ROCK SPRINGS, AZ
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    Joe ...., the flow spiked from (as you say in your post just above) .5 cfs to 200 cfs at about midnight... this of course was after I went to bed... I checked the flow just before bed and it was .5 cfs... So I assumed all was well.. next time I will check in the morning too...

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    another note, I would say any flow 500+ cfs would be too much of a risk for crossing... In fact, I may limit myself to 200 cfs... The water was pushing me around a bit on the crossing yesterday...

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    Yeah and much higher flow can bring lots of rocks tumbling along. Hate to cross in brown water and have a bowling ball sized hit you in the leg as it tumbles by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbAZ44 View Post
    at 100 - 200 cfs, you can't just hop across rocks and not get wet... there is no way to aviod getting your feet wet with the flow we had yesterday...
    Bud, Tellin you straight, I rode it Sunday morning 6AM starting at BCC TH. Never got my feet wet. If I had just walked across, it would have been just over my shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipolopolo View Post
    Bud, Tellin you straight, I rode it Sunday morning 6AM starting at BCC TH. Never got my feet wet. If I had just walked across, it would have been just over my shoes.

    Steve
    When you got to the Black Canyon Trail did you take a left (go south) or take a right (go north)...

    Was the channel super wide like maybe 50 + yards ?

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    I went south, the crossing just before the big climb, I ride this trail 2-3 times a week, I am pretty familiar with all the crossings, I would venture to guess the crossing going north was a touch deeper but still not much water (narrower). If you look at the river flow chart posted by Raybum you will see a huge delta in CFS late sunday afternoon, it went from almost zero to over 200. I must have crossed at almost zero.

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    chi: we are both getting our days mixed up, I think.... 3 day weekends tend to do that...

    I crossed Monday morning 9/3 at about 6 am... it was 150 cfs at that time...

    you crossed on Sunday 9/2 at 6 am... So yes you were able to cross easily because it was almost 0 cfs...

    however my point is ... crossing at 150 cfs would require your feet getting wet...

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    The real take away from this is that water levels can change fast. So be prepared.

    One hour it can be pretty much dry. And then it can turn 3 feet deep.
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    Crazy to think it was completely dry back in May. Arizona sure has some confusing geographical-natural conditions. Flooding in the desert....one day a river, the next day none.....115 degrees followed by 90 degree weather.
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    flow is up to 600 cfs as of now... doesn't surprise me... there is a storm that is literally sitting right on I17 and hasn't moved for like the past 2 hours... Just like that same storm in Anthem that caused all those problems...

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    Man, its very possible someone could have started their ride at about 6am this morning... they will be stuck on the other side for quite some time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtbAZ44 View Post
    Man, its very possible someone could have started their ride at about 6am this morning... they will be stuck on the other side for quite some time...
    Yep. About 12 CFS at 6 am. However. by 9am or so flow spiked to 600. Athough now it is back down below 100 cfs.
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