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    BCT Story...and Lesson!

    I woke up at 5:00 am on the morning of March 28, 2011 and got everything packed into the car and did a once over on the bike making sure everything was good to go. I headed out and ended up at my buddies house around 6. We loaded everything into his Jeep and headed out for the day. Our plan was to ride BCT from the BCT trailhead and do "little Pan Loop" as well. If I get the names of the trails wrong my apologies...it was our first time out there. We got to the trailhead around 7:30 and rechecked our tire pressure loaded erverything up and headed out.

    What a beuatiful first mile...I amost went over the edge a few times just looking at the scenery. The only pictures I got this day were of the first mile before we descended into the river crossing. The first of many .







    We continued across the river crossing. My buddy doing it barefoot and myself using my flip flops that I brought along. We then started on the massive uphill with the switchbacks. I am telling you the views were amazing and the scenery was beautiful. I am not a fast rider, but I made it to the top and we started down the backside. We finally got down to the service road and we missed the turn off for the Pan Loop and decided to keep going. We actually were on the pan loop since we saw 2 other MTB riders and they explained to us where we were. We stopped at the 2nd river crossing and ate lunch. By this time I wasnt feeling well at all. My stomach started hurting and I was feeling weak. I told my buddy what I was feeling and we decided to keep on pushing forward and back to our car. Well I made it across the next river crossing and out onto the service road before the pain got really bad. We were sitting on the service road when the 2 MTB riders we came across we coming down.

    I am telling you they possibly saved my life or at least saved me from even a rougher time. They gave me some vitamin water and a gel. Keep in mind I never really have used these before. I hadnt went to the bathroom since I started the ride and they were concerned about that and me being dehydrated. Well, they all decided it would be better for me to follow them back to their vehicles and my buddy went back up the trail to his car. He was going to meet us at the south trailhead. Bob (From Cali) and Mike (from PV) nursed me all the way back to their cars. Making sure I made it up every climb and even staying one in front and one behind. I cannot say Thank you enough to these 2 gentlemen for Helping me get through that day. We finally made it back and Mike took me out to the Highway and waited for my buddy to get there. The next day Mike called me to see how I was feeling and to offer to go riding sometime. Bob and Mike were very nice and I can not say thank you enough to the both of the them!

    Lesson learned: Bring a GOOD map and KNOW where you are going and how long it should take. Bring SUNBLOCK: I was burned on my neck arms and legs. Bring LOTSA water. I didnt think it was going to be too bad since we have had great weather and it was 45 degree's when we started. When we finished it was in the mid 80's.

    I am a firm believer now in GEL's and will be stashing a few in my bag for the longer riders. This ride was going to be in the mid 20's which would have been the longest I had ever done.

    So to end this story...I believe I was dehydrated and over heated. Make sure if your gonna ride out in the heat since we all know its coming to Drink PLENTY of liquids.

    I hope this story can inspire younger riders in the MTB community to learn this lesson the easy way and not the hard way as I did.

    Tim

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    Glad everything ended up A ok for you. This time of the year is preparedness is key !I'm not much of a fan of all the goo's ,shot blocks ,etc. I always throw a P.B & banana sandwich and a heath bar In the camelback along w/ a full 100 oz's of H20 for those longer rides.....the bigger thing I take away from your story is this community of MTN bikers although they may squawk about the type or size of one's bike or quibble about one's attire whenever I've pushed my limits or OTB and finding myself dusting off there always seems to be somebody asking if I have everything I need or if I'm okay .. cheer's to the Mike's out there!

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    I rode BCT for the first time during the spring fling and I know I was in over my head. I actually ran out of water towards the end of the ride and it hurt that much more. I will be getting a 100oz camelback here quick before it gets any hotter.

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    I had 100oz plus a bottle....I was drinking a lot. Next time I might take 200az. Actually going back out April 19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hatedg
    I had 100oz plus a bottle....I was drinking a lot. Next time I might take 200az. Actually going back out April 19.

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    Yep, that's some scary ****. The only time I can recall actually dehydrating on a ride was my first trip to Moab. It was Sept, and the TH at PorcRim was empty. That should have been a clue. I ran out of water probably before we hit the single track, and the descent back to the road was not fun.
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    Another thought would be to bring a water filter. Saves you from having to carry so much water at once.

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    wow, glad to hear you're ok. and thanks for sharing the positive efforts of Bob and Mike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    Yep, that's some scary ****. The only time I can recall actually dehydrating on a ride was my first trip to Moab. It was Sept, and the TH at PorcRim was empty. That should have been a clue. I ran out of water probably before we hit the single track, and the descent back to the road was not fun.
    I've actually puked on the road ride back to the bridge on that last climb before they put the bike path in. Gels are key!
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    5 of us did BCT from Rock Springs to and including the Little Pan Loop the Friday of AZSF. I brought 100oz in my Camelbak M.U.L.E, and I had forgot in the freezer a 21oz frozen water bottle that I had intended to bring as backup.

    3 of the 5 ran out of water with about 3 miles to go, and it was cooler then than it is now. Luckily Raybum had his SteriPen with him and cleaned some water for us.

    I'm going to buy some of these purification tables at REI for emergency situations where there is water, like in Sedona and BCT. Hmm, maybe a SteriPen is a better way to go... There is a 20% off Coupon at REI right now.

    As I have recently increased my ride distances to the mid twenty range, I've been really good about nutrition, because I bonked a couple times doing it poorly. For me, it's having a decent breakfast before hand, 4 scoops of Cytomax in 100oz of water, Homemade Hammer type gel shots that I take every 30 to 45 minutes, and a Larabar or Cliff bar mid ride. Since I've paid more attention to nutrition, I've found the longer distances are much easier for me to keep chugging along.

    Glad you are ok and that it all worked out ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azdog
    I've actually puked on the road ride back to the bridge on that last climb before they put the bike path in. Gels are key!
    Coming back from PorcRim? It's been...what, 3 years?...since I've been to Moab. Heading there in May, so looking forward to going back. Not sure I know the path you're talking about, unless it's new.

    I just remember we took Coyote Shuttle to the TH with some local, who had to be at work in like 90 minutes. I think it took us 4 hours to do the ride (we'd been riding for maybe a year at that point). Very humbling experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    Coming back from PorcRim? It's been...what, 3 years?...since I've been to Moab. Heading there in May, so looking forward to going back. Not sure I know the path you're talking about, unless it's new.
    Yep, about 3 years old along with improving the bridge over the Colorado.
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    Don't feel bad, a couple years ago there was a huge group ride there. Like 30 people, and a bunch of people ran out of water and where in simualur shape( I was one of them). It was cool in the morn, but warmed up real fast. That trail sucks you in. It's sooo beautiful, smooth and flowy you kinda forget how far out you are. It really taught me a lesson...
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    I'm a fan of hammer, but I buy all my stuff, so not supported by them. I am by no means an enduro junkie like some here, just like to ride. With all that being said, how long were you out, and it sounds like you were dehydrated before the ride even started. Typically, your max absorption is about 25 oz an hour, depending on body mass.
    http://www.hammernutrition.com/EN/en54/index.html
    I've run out of gas (food wise) but never water wise on some longer and hotter rides.

    Glad you made it out ok, but maybe a little more pre-ride hydration is better than carrying more than 100oz. RH has some great advice in his post as well.

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    Did that same ride just this past Saturday - Rock Springs, Little Pan Loop and back to Rock Springs. Didn't run out of water, but I did puke in the car on the way home. Maybe I should have run out of water...

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    don't forget electrolytes! you can have all the water in the world and still die of hyponatremia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia gatorade is ok, vitalyte is way better as far as electrolyte drinks, but good old fashioned bananas and potato chips also work wonders. personally i really like to have something salty to counter balance all of the sweet bars and gels.

    I have an aunt that was hiking in the grand canyon and was being very diligent about drinking plenty of water, but she didn't replace any of her electrolytes. during her airlift rescue, they gave her a bag of potato chips which made her instantly feel better. my family refers to that as the two thousand dollar bag of chips!

    interestingly, i heard in a radiolab episode (titled limits http://www.radiolab.org/2010/apr/05/) that the presence of electrolytes ONLY in your mouth, not even all the way into your body eases your internal governor. they did a test on a group of professional cyclists in which half of the group was given an electrolyte drink, the other half were given what they thought was an electrolyte drink, and they only took it into their mouths and then spit it out. over the course of 40 kilometers on stationary bikes the group with the real electrolyte drink finished MINUTES ahead of the placebo group. blew my mind.

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    You could also pick up a bottle of Endurolytes by Hammer - they are electrolytes in a capsule, take 2-3 every 45 minutes as well as a Gel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookiedough
    I'm a fan of hammer, but I buy all my stuff, so not supported by them. I am by no means an enduro junkie like some here, just like to ride. With all that being said, how long were you out, and it sounds like you were dehydrated before the ride even started. Typically, your max absorption is about 25 oz an hour, depending on body mass.
    http://www.hammernutrition.com/EN/en54/index.html
    I've run out of gas (food wise) but never water wise on some longer and hotter rides.

    Glad you made it out ok, but maybe a little more pre-ride hydration is better than carrying more than 100oz. RH has some great advice in his post as well.

    Pre-hydrate, very important the days leading up to a big ride. If you start the ride dehydrated, you're that much closer to being in trouble. Around 25 oz of liquid/hr is good, but remember, that just slows the dehydration process. You can only replace a portion of lost fluid, until eventually the body gets dehydrated and problems start.
    Electrolytes and calories intake/hr is important also, just don't overdo it.
    Rule of thumb: if you have not been drinking enough h20 the previous few days and urine is yellow, your are already dehydrated and will probably not last long, cramp, bonk,crash,,etc...
    100oz water and 32 oz of energy drink lasts me 3-4 hrs, but your mileage/time may vary,depending on intensity, temp, etc.

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    My bike is fueled by burritos.....no robo fuel for me anymore.

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    A good carbohydrate loading meal the night before the ride, plenty of pasta, and 2 days of pre loading your self hydration wise will help you with the first 2 hours of a ride. Beyond that, it's supplements, Endurolytes, salt, pickle juice, PBJ and banana's for potassium, etc, that get you through the rest of the ride with constant replenishing of liquid. Hammer Perpetuem is good too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveaz
    You could also pick up a bottle of Endurolytes by Hammer - they are electrolytes in a capsule, take 2-3 every 45 minutes as well as a Gel.
    Or instead of buying into Hammer's scam buy a gel that has electrolytes already in it instead of buying 2 products

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    Zym Tablets are the bomb...just drop one in a water bottle and cary the rest in your pack. If you need more electrolyte, just load up your water bottle from your camelpack and drop another tab in...cramps no more...

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    Chad recommended to me Elete Water Addin for electolyte replacement when I asked him, I have been using it and it seems to do the job. For longer rides recently I've been using Cytomax which has electrolyte replacement in it, but as these rides become my new normal distance, I'll ween off the Cytomax and go back to Elete.

    Elete is great stuff, very affordable too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gergroy
    don't forget electrolytes! you can have all the water in the world and still die of hyponatremia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia
    Only if you drink waaaaaay too much water.
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    brown sugar cinnamon, but that's just me...

    @Maad - agreed, sunflower seed butter, strawberry jelly sandwich, that's the real fuel. I carry the gel packs as emergency

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    Cytomax always worked fine for me w/munchies of varying types!

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    Hey, Good warning to all!

    Funny story, Yesterday on my drive to Sedona from PHX with my buddy Bob from Cali, he told your story from his point of view. Bob is the nicest guy you would ever hope to meet! I dont think that Bob is much of a MTBR surfer but i will forward this to him. Glad you are doing well

    Here is a photo of Bob from Cali in Sedona yesterday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    My bike is fueled by burritos.....no robo fuel for me anymore.

    Madd...I too have switched to Burros. I go with the standard Taco Bell Bean Burro. Turns out there is nothing organic inside them so they keep for a couple days without refrigeration but they have a good ratio of carbs, fat, SALT, and high calorie. Plus they cost less than a buck each. It is what i take on long day rides or bikepacking trips. Way better than space food, goo, or jells. I have yet to try a don Miguel Burro cause i just cant find them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimfab
    Hey, Good warning to all!

    Funny story, Yesterday on my drive to Sedona from PHX with my buddy Bob from Cali, he told your story from his point of view. Bob is the nicest guy you would ever hope to meet! I dont think that Bob is much of a MTBR surfer but i will forward this to him. Glad you are doing well

    Here is a photo of Bob from Cali in Sedona yesterday.
    That is Bob alright. Tell him i said thank you sooo much again. What a great and very nice guy. I was in over my head that is for sure! I am glad Bob and Mike were there though...they saved my bacon!

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    Great lesson here for a newbie like me - glad I stopped on this thread.

    Looks like I'll be adding a few things to my riding bag, especially with summer coming up.

    My Camelback holds 3 liters, plus 24 oz in my water bottle...but now I know its not just about water, but electrolytes. Wondering what else I'm missing....
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    Wow... crazy story Tim. Glad you made it back OK. One of my biggest MTB fears is passing out or something like that on the trail... Thats gotta be a real messed up feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer
    My bike is fueled by burritos.....no robo fuel for me anymore.

    I get 20 miles to the burrito!
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    I'm glad to hear you are ok and good karma points to those who stopped to help you!!

    I wanted to throw my two cents in for vitalyte http://www.vitalyte.com/ I got turned on to it by an EMT friend who uses it out in the field during search and rescue for folks in your exact situation. I've never been a fan of Gatorade or any of the other mixed drinks because all of the sugar and overpowering flavor usually upsets my stomach. Vitalyte is nice because it totally dissolves and only has a mild flavor, plus none of the extra junk. I've also had good results with it when I'm sick, hungover, or after a deep tissue massage. You can pick it up at REI as well.

    I've also just started using S-Caps as the weather has been warming up and so far so good. I used them extensively during the MS ride last weekend and they did not upset my stomach and I did notice much less leg soreness than usual. http://www.succeedscaps.com/main_scaps.html

    Everyone stay safe and healthy out there and remember to hydrate! You should be drinking 1/2 your body weight in ounces of water everyday under normal conditions...think about how much you should be drinking while exercising!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
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    Great story,
    Glad it all worked out for the good. I ride BCT every week usually x 2 all summer included. I have devised the magic plan to beat the blues. I put a 20 oz. bottle on the bike with an extremely rich mixture of accelerade and gatorade. I also throw bottles out in the bush's along the way out. I will suck 100 oz dry before the end of the LPL. I use the mixture bottle sparingly. I stop and refill my C-back with the hidden goods. (always picking up my empties) I never worry about running dry. I leave unused bottles hidden and use them in subsequent rides.

    Only problem is.....SOME of my buds know where I stash water

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipolopolo
    Great story,
    Glad it all worked out for the good. I ride BCT every week usually x 2 all summer included. I have devised the magic plan to beat the blues. I put a 20 oz. bottle on the bike with an extremely rich mixture of accelerade and gatorade. I also throw bottles out in the bush's along the way out. I will suck 100 oz dry before the end of the LPL. I use the mixture bottle sparingly. I stop and refill my C-back with the hidden goods. (always picking up my empties) I never worry about running dry. I leave unused bottles hidden and use them in subsequent rides.

    Only problem is.....SOME of my buds know where I stash water
    There are a few bottles out on Hawes as well ! However the mixture seems to add to the dehydration factor.........

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    Maybe so, but hydrating the day before, and the entire ride, keeping full on electrolytes seems to keep me strong. The strong mixture is just so it lasts all day as I sip, 20 oz last all 3.5 hours in July.

    I've weighed myself prior and post ride and even after drinking all the way home, I've lost 6-7 pounds. You cannot rehydrate at the rate at which you dehydrate. It's brutal at 9AM.

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    .........drinking fermented bottles of perpetum and/or gatoraide which have been aged along the track may cause blindness.......gold stashes are safer and sterile......

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    I ordered and will give the Vitalyte a try...12 bucks and it makes 5 gallons. I am heading back out to ride BCT April 19th...early in the am if anyone cares to join me. Its a Tuesday morning.

    Tim

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