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    Idea! Bikepacking logistics Questions and hopefully Answers

    I wonder if the bikepacking guru members could shed some light on the logistics of bicycle bikepacking.

    1. Sleeping accommodations:
    Do you usually use: small one man tent, sleeping bag, sleeping pad and/or a tarp? How do you find a suitable spot for camping?

    2. Change of clothes?
    socks and undies only?

    3. Water/food situation - how much water to take and how?
    Or is that dependent on water/food availability on the route.

    4. Bicycle tools, chain links, spare tubes, first aid kit, etc.

    5. Best way to carry your gear?

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    It's highly individualized....but here is how I roll:

    1) Sleeping bag only with minimalist bivy from REI...I prefer no pad, but that's just me. I sleep wherever l find a spot that looks good...in the desert, usually a sandy wash...in the forest, usually under a tree with lots of pine needles.
    2) I bring a change of socks and a change of chamois only.
    3) Water is planned out based on where I'm going and how much I need in between water stops. Sometimes you can go from tap to tap...other times I go from puddle to puddle with my water filter....you will find this is what consumes most of your anxiety and planning before a bikepack. Foodwise...I prefer Don Miguel Bomb's and Breakfast burrittos for major meals, then supplement them with a post ride powder mixed with water (recovery), and CarboRocket in a water bottle for sipping on during the day. Little snacks throughout the day are also nice. Make sure to have your nutrition dialed before you really hang it out there...or you will be entering a world of pain.
    4) I carry all the same tools I carry with me on normal bike rides during the week.
    5) Get as much weight off your back as possible....try to only carry water in your camelback...everything else goes in your handlebar bag and your seat bag and/or frame bag if you use one.

    In the end...you're going to have to experiment and find the system that works best for you. Do some trial runs close to home and/or which have lower risk logistics with respect to water/food options. Once you get it dialed, branch out and do some stuff with higher risk in terms of logistics (uncertain water - water filter rides).

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    I am more comfort oriented than Maad, so here is my take.

    1. Sleeping bag, minimalist bivy and blow up pad. Camp wherever. Just not on the trail itself.

    2. I have no desire to sleep in the clothes I've worn riding all day. So, a lightweight shirt and a pair of lightweight shorts or long underwear - depending on weather. That way you can air out your riding gear overnight. Definitely a change of socks. For more than one night, a change of riding shorts and jersey. Oh, and a puffy jacket is great for cold nights.

    3. Bring as much water as possible and a filter. Being without water is a really bad feeling - I know this from experience. In AZ, water is one of the biggest challenges. There is no such thing as a "dependable" spring here. For food there are all kinds of energy bars that provide convenient nutrition, but are less than satisfying. I like to bring at least some real food. That can be snacks (almonds, dried fruit, twizzlers, etc) or a burrito or wrap or even a pb&j sandwich. For me real food is very important on a big effort - partly psychological. Maad, is absolutely right - you really need to get this dialed in before going big. It is the kind of thing you gotta work out for yourself.

    4. Carry as much as you think you'll need to get you home in case of a situation. Chances are you'll be pretty far from everything if you are bikepacking so you don't want to be walking.

    5. The seatbags they have now are amazing. Can't believe how much crap you can put in there. I use a front roll on the handlebars for all my sleeping gear. Others go more basic.


    Check out bikepacking.net. Lots of folks post their setups there. Just start reading, you'll learn a ton.

    Oh, and make that first outing a short one. You are bound to do all kind of things wrong. It took me 2 outings to get my basics down. Even after the azt300 I came away with some things I need to do better/different.

    One more thing. Have fun - BPing is awesome!

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    It's trial and error.
    Seasons also make a difference.
    It's fun.
    Here is a good place to look also.
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    Good timing on this thread. A buddy and I were talking about doing this, and I'd like to start accumulating the goods.

    Ever have issues with wildlife while bike packing? Especially at night?

    Again, thanks for all the info.
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    Gearing

    I'm not all that of an experienced bikepacker, however, I think one thing that should not be overlooked is gearing choices.

    Riding a loaded rig can be tough. Having adequate gearing to accomodate this added weight can prove very helpful, especially when hauling large amounts of water.

    I find the task of mounting/dismounting to HAB to be fairly exhausting. I'm able to control my heart rate quite a bit better if I go into ultra granny mode and spin my way to the top of a steep climb.

    If you're running a 5 arm spider, by all means, invest in a cheap Race Face 5 bolt 20t chainring. If you're running a 4 arm spider an ELS Ti Action Tec 20t will suffice. For the rear cassette, at the minimum, I'll run a 36t, but an Action Tec 38t is all the better (Action Tec also produces a 39t).

    Having the option for an ultra granny is more than helpful when pedaling through mountainous oxygen deprived environments (e.g. the Colorado Trail).

    Obviously, if you're a SS rider, this information can be neglected. However, if you've always been fascinated with maximizing the amount of trail you can ride (especially with a loaded rig) an ultra granny setup can prove to be a worthwhile investment.

    Edit: Not trying to shoot down the art of SS riding in any way. I've seen many SS riders shred stuff (dtownmtb & Raybum to name a few) that I could barely ride on my ultra granny rig. Just stating my opinion from the perspective of a super lazy geared rider.
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    Although Mark is full of crap about not being experienced (azt300, coconino 250, CTR, etc.), he does bring up a great point about gearing. If you are SS go down one or two teeth in the back from normal - or you'll be a hurting pup.

    Also, the extra weight on your bike means you need to put more air in your suspension fork (or shock, if you have one). I also put a few more PSI in my tires. And go easy the first few miles. Having gear on your bike changes how it handles and takes a little getting used to.

    I've never had any wildlife issues, but I've only got about a week's worth of nights under my belt. Just make sure you don't keep food in your sleeping bag or bivy and you'll be fine. I hear coyotes all the time at my house - never hear them out bikepacking. not sure why that is.

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    I'm a rookie still dialing in/however my .02c good gps/topo and water or filter are very important since I like to wander and check stuff out and get off route. Went to Rage to pick up Revelate to carry gear and spent time on bikepacking.net Maad,Freeskier& Seron, Rayburn ,Az Tripper and others post on here are great inspiration to get off the couch and step up the miles ..Thanx ! Backpacking logistics Questions and hopefully Answers-img_0345.jpgBackpacking logistics Questions and hopefully Answers-img_0346.jpg

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    I never said I sleep in my clothes Jeff....best moment for someone else to realize this was on my failed Coco250....I was at the stage one overnight, airing it all out on the rim overlooking Sedona.....you know....todger just flapping in the breeze, walking around snapping pics of the sundown.....when one if those tour choppers came flying over just above rim level.....At first I thought to run to grab some clothes, but then I figured, "awwww phucket"....

    dtownmtb makes a good point which I neglected....I use a REALLY lightweight bag which I supliment on cold nights with a wool beanie, a Patagonia capeline II top and a synthetic puffy.

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    What do you all think about this:
    overkill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    What do you all think about this:
    overkill?

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    I'd say way too heavy...
    You should aim to have your sleep system (including what you carry it with) be under 4 lbs. Here's mine...
    Western Mountaineering Summerlite 19.00oz
    Stoic Pad 11.50oz
    Mountain Laurel Superlight Bivy 6.50 oz
    Lightweight Tyvek Ground Sheet 3.50 oz
    Green Dry bag (to put it all in) 1.20 oz
    Handlebar sling (homemade) 7.40 oz
    TOTAL = 3.07lbs

    The REI bivy's are really a great value especially if you have a coupon and you cut off a few of the monster zippers on them. As far as bags go, the WM Summerlite is great, the Mountain Hardwear Phantom 32 is great and MH also has a Mountain Speed 32 which looks good.
    As far as clothes, I agree with everyones comments. If nights are down in the mid 30's, I bring a puffy, a hat, long sleeve merino, and merino tights. I also will bring recovery socks and wool socks since my feet are inherently cold. I'm a firm believer in not sleeping in what you rode in.
    Regarding seatbags, Revelate is sort of the "standard" (viscacha model) however,there are lots of other players in the market now making what seems to be some really nice stuff. Even with all the inherent side to side motion of riding SS, that viscacha when packed properly and cinched up, is rock solid. They have a smaller model (pika) if you have tire clearance issues or don't need the space.
    Nutrition; exactly what was said...gotta dial that in and find what works for you. If your Flag experience worked out well, start with that and add to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markphx View Post
    I'm not all that of an experienced bikepacker...[/B]
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    For bike bags try here. They are in Flagstaff and you can take a look at what they have and see if that is what you are looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    ^^^^ Sandbagger ^^^^
    Haha! Totally, don't forget his Stagecoach400.

    Posts like this are great, I always pick up a tidbit or two. Metal: I think we briefly met once over @SMP parking lot, we were finishing up when you were starting out and based on your posts here you have the right attitude. That is key, being mentally prepared for some of these bigger outings is just as important as the physical preparations.

    I roll with a Tarptent Contrail 1-man tent, Big Agnes mummy air mattress, Mountain Hardware UltraLamina32 & a piece of Tyvek for ground cover. This past weekend I took all of the above with the tent & air pad rolled around it stuffed into my handlebar bag (Phantom Pack Systems), sleeping bag was then attached to the front of the handlebar bag with a couple of REI straps. **On the AZT300 I left the tent/pad at home & was pleasantly surprised how well I slept with only the Tyvek & bag, especially since I didn't crash out into a sandy wash!!

    +1 on the Revelate seat bag. I also have a Revelate gas tank by the seat post which I use solely for a spare tube. My sis-in-law sewed up my frame bag for me and it's been working well. I also have a small REI feed bag on the top tube just behind the stem for quick snacks, gummies & maps. I've also used the two water bottles/cages gorilla taped & zip tied to the forks for last year's 300 & Coco250, they worked really well too.

    I guess the only other things I can chime in on would be to just get out there and do a ride. You don't have to wait until you have a 'perfect' setup. Mine was far from it the first couple of rides, but as you'll find out, each ride is a learning experience. Plus, the ride doesn't have to be 60+ miles. I took a friend out for her first bikepacking trip a couple months ago, she lives in Gold Canyon so we just rode to the other end of the network, camped out there & rode back to her place the next morning - 14 miles TOTAL. Now she's hooked.

    My first overnight ride I set it up as almost a car camping trip, I did a lollipop loop from Freeman Rd around Ripsey camping back near the car, but I carried all my gear anyway to get the feel for it.

    I was also a bit leery of venturing out on my own, so the first few rides I was with some friends. This year's 300 was the first time I slept out with no one in sight. It was more relaxing than I thought it may be.

    This thread needs some pics, so here are a few of my setups as they evolved over the past year.

    This was my maiden voyage, test run of the setup on Desert Classic. Note how the framebag doesn't fit, it was originally intended to go on my 26" Jamis, but I picked up the Voodoo while my bag was being shipped to me.
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    From the same setup, at the time I was using REI drybags for the front (with a sling inspired by Ray) & seat (worked OK, not great).
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    My current handlebar bag.
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    This was about as fully loaded as I've had the bike, from the Coco250. Bottles on each fork leg, max'd out seat bag, etc.
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    My setup for this year's AZT300, a bit less up front.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    I never said I sleep in my clothes Jeff...
    And I thought you were hard core...

    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    best moment for someone else to realize this was on my failed Coco250....I was at the stage one overnight, airing it all out on the rim overlooking Sedona.....you know....todger just flapping in the breeze, walking around snapping pics of the sundown.....when one if those tour choppers came flying over just above rim level.....At first I thought to run to grab some clothes, but then I figured, "awwww phucket"....
    At least you gave the touristas a "memorable" experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
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    I did it for you. Great info Maadjurger! Best part was waive to the tour helo.

    I might try a bike pack one day... Maybe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    ...I guess the only other things I can chime in on would be to just get out there and do a ride. You don't have to wait until you have a 'perfect' setup. Mine was far from it the first couple of rides, but as you'll find out, each ride is a learning experience. Plus, the ride doesn't have to be 60+ miles. I took a friend out for her first bikepacking trip a couple months ago, she lives in Gold Canyon so we just rode to the other end of the network, camped out there & rode back to her place the next morning - 14 miles TOTAL. Now she's hooked. ..
    Very cool and make sense!

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    For me, I can barely stand to be in a mummy bag, so a bivy is just not an option. I have a Big Agnes ultralight tent that I take back packing. Big Agnes Fly Creek UL2 Tent - Free Shipping at REI.com

    yes it adds a little weight and bulk, but not as much as you think. I'm not "racing" so I don't care how long it takes to set up, which is not that long. I sleep better and if there is any rain, I have a dry place for clothes and gear.

    Food and water are the most important. lots of great advice on these. If you're out with a group of experienced bike packers.....having extra Zia packs goes a very long way in bartering for use of their gear/skills.

    +1000 on Revelant packs. I over loaded my seat bag and it preformed flawlessly on a bike pack on Mt. Lemon (Green to AZT to Miligarosa)

    Oh, and for your first test ride, you might not want to do what I did and start with a full coast to coast run on National. While fun in a crazy way, it was not a ride for people that are not completely comfortable with suffering.
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    Brian brings up a great point...rain... I'd consider my setup to definitely be a dry weather one. Although my bivy is waterproof, it does have a face screen and there's no room for gear inside. I would have to add a lightweight tarp if rain was a possibility. If you're at all claustrophobic, a bivy probably isn't the best choice either.
    As you search for gear info, I think you have to keep in mind where people are riding and whether they are racing or not. Even here in AZ, the hardcore BP racers carry little more that what they would on a day ride except maybe an emergency bivy to jump in an catch a nap. At the other extreme are the recreational bikepackers that carry a few more of the luxury items like a small stove. Anyway, tons of stuff out there to read and learn.
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    good idea on the pics...here's mine.
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    One more thing.
    Make sure your trail snacks are easy to access while riding or HABing.
    Taking off pack is a pain and you'll likely not snack as much or when needed.
    I learned the hard way.
    I have heard about 300 calories per hour is good.
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    My Set Up

    Here is my setup.
    Front roll,-Sleeping Bag, Hennesy Hammock.
    Frame Pack- Tools, Water bladder, money/wallet, camera
    Handle Bar bags-Inhaler, snacks ,phone, lots of snacks
    Panniers- Stove, lite cook set, clothes
    Top of Rack- Sleeping pad,( you need one with a hammock as your back will get cold otherwise),

    I like comfort so I carry more weight than I should,(50+pounds)
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    That's some great info in this thread. I just want to know why nobody seems to use a lightweight aluminum rear rack with panniers. Too old school, maybe? Seems like it would be ideal on a hardtail as long as you properly distribute the weight.

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    I love my light weight rear rack. I find that I can store so much more. I don't mind the extra weight as I am bike packing not racing. If I was going on longer trips (over 600 miles) I would make sure to lighten the weight. I also worry about water so many of my trips end at campgrounds or small stores. I am riding from Flagstaff to Greer in June. All my stops will put me at a store except for one night of dry camping. This trip will be all dirt except for 4 miles to the Clintwells store.
    This trip will be just over 300 miles.

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    I like the seatbag/framebag/barbag set up because those items are a lot lighter than a rack and panniers. They also keep everything closer to the bike's center of gravity so handling feels only a little bit more sluggish than normal.

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    MTB protection

    Up here in the White Mountains I carry a 45.... always. I've seen black bear, mountain lion, and some scary looking squirrels on the back trails. I guess I could handle the squirrels without it, but not the others!


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    I would guess that the rackless systems simply lighter; they also have not been around as long and seem to be sort of a step in "design evolution". I have heard of people breaking the rack type setups due to all the bouncing around. Although I've never had panniers, I can imagine they'd get in the way when trying to HAB real narrow stuff like Mingus, Oracle Ridge, etc. I think for touring non-techy trails w/o a ton of HAB, they are still a viable solution.
    In terms of having adequate volume to carry stuff, it seems I've trimmed down my pack list since I realized I just didn't need all that crap. Gotta figure, every extra pound has to get pedaled (or walked) up the hills.
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    Wow a lot of great info - makes one's head spin.
    It's nice to see everyone's set up - from the very spartan to elaborate.

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    Okay, so you need food, plan for water, play around with gear, and be conscious of tan lines. Got it.

    Any of you guys plan bike packing trips as a group? Or you generally do these trips solo? Seems like one of these trips can be quite therapeutic.
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    Both. Personally I like to ride with others to share in the adventure. With that said this year's 300 taught me that it's pretty cool to be out there solo as well, I spent the first two nights alone and enjoyed it. I'm kind of at the point where I'll throw a route suggestion out there, if someone bites and comes along that's great, if not, I'll still go anyway.

    A couple of us are trying to nail down some dates for a beginner's bikepacking ride up on the Mogollon Rim. Probably at the end of June or mid-July. We'll post something up here to see if there's any interest once we figure it out. It will be for people wanting to test the bikepacking waters or those who may have only done one outing or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Both. Personally I like to ride with others to share in the adventure. With that said this year's 300 taught me that it's pretty cool to be out there solo as well, I spent the first two nights alone and enjoyed it. I'm kind of at the point where I'll throw a route suggestion out there, if someone bites and comes along that's great, if not, I'll still go anyway.

    A couple of us are trying to nail down some dates for a beginner's bikepacking ride up on the Mogollon Rim. Probably at the end of June or mid-July. We'll post something up here to see if there's any interest once we figure it out. It will be for people wanting to test the bikepacking waters or those who may have only done one outing or so.
    If it's end of June and a weekend I am definitely interested. What makes it a beginner a ride, number of nights, miles or urban access to food and water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    I'd say way too heavy...
    You should aim to have your sleep system (including what you carry it with) be under 4 lbs. Here's mine...
    Western Mountaineering Summerlite 19.00oz
    Stoic Pad 11.50oz
    Mountain Laurel Superlight Bivy 6.50 oz
    Lightweight Tyvek Ground Sheet 3.50 oz
    Green Dry bag (to put it all in) 1.20 oz
    Handlebar sling (homemade) 7.40 oz
    TOTAL = 3.07lbs

    .
    That is very well researched and thought out, Ray. Thanks for providing anchor weight values to work with. Since I am new to this and looking to give backpacking only a try - I would probably not want to invest so much at this time. Looks like a good sleeping bag makes up the majority of the cost.

    What do you guys think about this as sleeping bag/bivy? 8.5 oz

    Amazon.com: Adventure Medical Kits Survive Outdoors Longer Escape Bivvy, 8.5 Ounce: Health & Personal Care

    Not comfortable enough? How about adding this. 9oz

    Amazon.com: Klymit Inertia X Frame Camping Mattress (Chartreuse Yellow/Green, Large): Clothing

    What about the bugs and needed extra protection from the elements, how about putting the above elements in to this - 15oz

    REI Minimalist Bivy Sack - Regular - Free Shipping at REI.com

    although that mountain laurel bivy at 6 oz looks sweet

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    Yeah, I know the lightweight down bags aren't cheap. Something like a Mtn HW Lamina 35 (synthetic) can be had for <$200 and always seems to be on sale on-line. I know someone that tried that x-frame matress but is you're a side sleeper, it's a no-go. Those are made for vampires (sleep on their back).
    For a first trip, if it's dry (no rain), you can get away with just a bag and some sort of ground sheet. The bivy helps to keep your bag clean, adds a few degrees to the rating of your bag, and keeps critters out (seems more an issue in the desert). My tyvek ground sheet is actually more of a 1/2 bivy since I've created a sort of pocket from the waist down. It could easily be used w/o the ML bivy inside.
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    Thanks for taking the time to post so much information! Great to gain the insight from all of you guys who we have watched complete some epic bikepacking trips!

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    I can personally reccomend the minamilist bivy....it adds warmth to your bag, has a bug screen (rarely needed), and is waterproof. Someone mentioned that because of the bug screen being open, you would need to combine it with a tarp....not necessary....if its raining, you will also have a rain jacket. By laying my bike down with the handlebars at my head when sleeping, I now have a "tent post" to drape my jacket over to cover the bug screen. Add that with cover under a tree, and you can stay dry in the worst of downpours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    If it's end of June and a weekend I am definitely interested. What makes it a beginner a ride, number of nights, miles or urban access to food and water?
    It will be a weekend. Perhaps 'beginner' isn't the best word, how about an intro to bikepacking. Mileage will be shorter, something like 20-30 miles one-way maybe less, one night out. There won't be any re-supply points during the ride, but water should be available to filter if needed or if you want to test out a filter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    I know someone that tried that x-frame matress but is you're a side sleeper, it's a no-go. Those are made for vampires (sleep on their back).
    I have the X-Frame. and loaned it to Chongoman for his 300 attempt this year. it is crazy light and packs to the size of a soda can. I really believe in it's clams. my bag seems warmer since it puffs up in the grid areas. But I'm a side sleeper and this thing is not really for me. I can sleep on it. because on a bike camp trip....your tired. so you'll sleep anywhere. but it tended to cut off circulation to my arms a bit too often for me. by laying on your back it does give an amazing amount of comfort for it's size/weight. One other bonus is that it does not make noise when you sleep on it. some of the air core ultra light pads are load as &^*% when you sleep on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianc View Post
    I have the X-Frame. and loaned it to Chongoman for his 300 attempt this year. it is crazy light and packs to the size of a soda can. I really believe in it's clams. my bag seems warmer since it puffs up in the grid areas. But I'm a side sleeper and this thing is not really for me. I can sleep on it. because on a bike camp trip....your tired. so you'll sleep anywhere. but it tended to cut off circulation to my arms a bit too often for me. by laying on your back it does give an amazing amount of comfort for it's size/weight. One other bonus is that it does not make noise when you sleep on it. some of the air core ultra light pads are load as &^*% when you sleep on them.
    How much do you weigh ? - if you don't mind me asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Something like a Mtn HW Lamina 35 (synthetic) can be had for <$200 and always seems to be on sale on-line.
    That's what I have, so far so good. I didn't have the budget for the down bag. I think I found mine online for $115 last year. If I recall correctly I was able to pick up the air mattress & bag for right around $200, which was my spending limit for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    How much do you weigh ?
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    So what is your weight limit on the back pack. Most I ever carried was maybe 12-14 lbs - (mostly water)I had no issues but I am guessing at some point I would - excessive pressure on the bum, handling problems,etc.

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    for normal rides my pack is in the 12-17 lb range. sometimes as high as 20-25 lbs when I used to ride with camera gear. For bike packing....I do all a can to make it much lighter. 100 oz blader, and light things only, if I can get away with it. If you're looking for the long haul multiday sort of thing.....ditch it all off your back if you can.
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    ^^^ exactly ^^^ lots of stories of people who ended up with bruised sits bones. If you can end up carrying water only on your back, you're doing good. I've also found that hydration packs can be damn heavy, even w/o water. Although I love how comfy and well made the osprey talon 22's are, I ended up buying (and liking) a Camelbak Octane 24. It weighs 1 lb empty; almost 1/2 of a talon 22.
    A great option is to get a frame pack which will give you room to move things off your back and into that. Lots of people then put a spare bladder (and other stuff) in that. But of course, frame packs are typically custom (hence $), so using that frame space for water bottles isn't bad...it's still how I roll.
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    I just did my first BP trip with mark, freeskier and raybum and it was fun. My kit worked out pretty well because I did a lot of research and spent the week before packing an unpacking and then did a 30 mile ride to test it all out and make adjustments. Overall I was shocked that I was able to do almost 100 miles the first day considering all the extra weight but I just ate and drank and didn't ride too hard.

    I went ahead and spent the cash on good bike packs figuring getting the stuff on the bike securely and functionally was important. I got the Revelate Designs Viscacha seat bag, Triangle Bag, Feed Bag and Sweet Roll handlebar bag. I might substitute a Revelate or other Gas Tank style bag for the feedbag since it is kinda small for all day riding. I could see using a harness and dry bag rather than the Sweet Roll too. The Sweet Roll is small diameter which is nice if you have clearance issues with the front wheel. I picked up the REI Minimalist bivy (long) and REI Flash sleeping pad (long), they each weigh in at about 1 lb. I used an old Marmot sleeping bag I have that isn't particularly light or packable but I was able to get it and the bivy and sleeping pad all in the Sweet Roll. The handlebar bag weight etc. didn't really bother me. My next purchase will be a lighter more packable sleeping bag though.

    For clothes I brought my normal riding gear: (Giro Privateer shoes, wool socks, baggie shorts, super cool AES jersey, gloves, helmet, head sweat cap) plus an extra set of bibs, long underwear top and bottom (for extra layer if needed and sleeping). Extra socks, long sleeve jersey, rain jacket, sun sleeves, leg warmers and a wool beanie. Next clothes purchase will be some Pearl Izumi X-Alp shoes.

    I brought almost 200 oz. of water and drank almost all of it before the end of the day. I brought too much food because I didn't know if I would make it to the store in time, I did. In the triangle bag I had 3.5 L of water, pump, repair kit, two tubes (both of which I did need). The seat bag had clothes, extra food and lights. I had a 3L Camelback with some food, map, Spot, phone, sunscreen, butt butter, and other misc personal items.

    I was riding a rigid Karate Monkey set up 1X10 32X 11-36. For the route we rode it was fine but if I were doing more steep climbs I would want a granny gear. Mark should warn you that he sheared off his 20t chain ring on this trip. Strong guy with lots of mechanical advantage = broken spider.

    I had so much fun that I'm researching the Colorado Trail now. I imagine that will be MUCH harder though. I agree with what was said above. Just go do it and you will learn a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    ^^^ exactly ^^^ lots of stories of people who ended up with bruised sits bones. If you can end up carrying water only on your back, you're doing good. I've also found that hydration packs can be damn heavy, even w/o water. Although I love how comfy and well made the osprey talon 22's are, I ended up buying (and liking) a Camelbak Octane 24. It weighs 1 lb empty; almost 1/2 of a talon 22.
    A great option is to get a frame pack which will give you room to move things off your back and into that. Lots of people then put a spare bladder (and other stuff) in that. But of course, frame packs are typically custom (hence $), so using that frame space for water bottles isn't bad...it's still how I roll.
    Funny cuz I have a talon 22 too and use it for travelling and hiking all the time, now I was thinking I can use it for BPing as well. I used the viper 10 in Flaggstaff and also have the octane xct (320gm) for shorter trips and racing.

    I wonder how much the body weight has to do with seat discomfort, maybe I can loose another 5 pounds to make room for a bigger backpack.
    revelate stuff is nice, if you had to choose a seat bag or handlebar - which one would you choose - I am guessing seatbag.
    Has anyone tried just tying a sleeping bag/bivvy to the handlebars with some straps?

    I guess like Gila said, I just need to experiment with stuff.

    All this research seems to have more with survival skill than biking. Almost makes me think about finding some bike routes with motels close by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    if you had to choose a seat bag or handlebar - which one would you choose - I am guessing seatbag.
    Has anyone tried just tying a sleeping bag/bivvy to the handlebars with some straps?
    Almost makes me think about finding some bike routes with motels close by.
    Seat bag all the way. I do not have a very packable sleeping bag. so i have this huge dry bag strapped to my handlebars. it would work great for fire road touring. but sucks donkey...on technical ST. try to limit the things if any you put on your handlebars if you like to ride your bike while bike packing.

    motels could be nice, but with the urban bike pack I did as my first, i'll never trade the experience of riding out into the desert for the night. Of course the juxtaposition of riding right though a NASCAR epicenter added to the experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Funny cuz I have a talon 22 too and use it for travelling and hiking all the time, now I was thinking I can use it for BPing as well. I used the viper 10 in Flaggstaff and also have the octane xct (320gm) for shorter trips and racing.

    I wonder how much the body weight has to do with seat discomfort, maybe I can loose another 5 pounds to make room for a bigger backpack.
    revelate stuff is nice, if you had to choose a seat bag or handlebar - which one would you choose - I am guessing seatbag.
    Has anyone tried just tying a sleeping bag/bivvy to the handlebars with some straps?

    I guess like Gila said, I just need to experiment with stuff.

    All this research seems to have more with survival skill than biking. Almost makes me think about finding some bike routes with motels close by.
    Agreed, seatbag all the way. I'd caution you against simply strapping a sleeping bag to your bars. All those vibrations you put your bike through on the trail will undoubtedly wear a hole in your sleeping bag. That's the main reason for the handlebar sling/bags - saves your gear!! Also, if you have a head tube badge, you may want to cover it up with some gorilla tape for the same reason listed above.

    I too have the Talon 22, love it, but I do need to be more conscious when loading it. I tend to continue to overpack it, mostly with food I end up taking back home with me.
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    I did some experimenting early on where I put my bag, bivy and pad in a cheap, walmart drybag, strapped it to the bars, then went out and rode BCT. Sure enough, the constant chafing wore a hole through the drybag. The other issue is dealing with all the cables. With my homebrew sling, I copied the foam spacer idea from revelate which provides space for the cables to slide between the bar and the sling. It works really well (major kudos to my Mom with the ninja sewing skills). Not to deter you from just strapping stuff up under the bars, but in the longer term, you'll probably want a better solution.
    Heck, it sounds like if you already have a Talon22, get a seatbag and you're good enough to go for an overnight.
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