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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    Several weeks ago, Freeskier and I rode the AZT through Reavis Canyon to see what the AZT was like north of Picketpost Mountain. Unfortunately, the Reavis Canyon segment (trail #509) from the top of Montana Mountain down to FR650 is riddled with catclaw which thrashed us pretty badly. Now that there is a new AES ride scheduled to happen on 11/2, something had to be done.

    After a few conversations with the AZT passage stewards and regional director, we are planning to set up some trail work days to clean out all of the catclaw. To do this, we need several volunteers! As of now, the tentative dates for the trail work are Saturday 10/12 and Sunday 10/13. I would like to see how many people can make those dates and if not, what dates would work better. Late October is the timeframe we would like to do the work.

    The AZT organization will provide the tools and a trail steward to guide us in completing the work safely and properly. The only thing they can't provide is transportation. FR650 is a very well graded road with the exception of one or two chunky wash crossings. Because of this, a normal sedan can't make it up to the top. So in addition to volunteers, we will need to make sure those volunteers have appropriate vehicles to make the drive up FR650. A normal SUV would be fine making those crossings.

    Please let me know if these dates work for people and also let me know if you would be able to make it! The regional director is asking me how many people we can get to help out so let's put up a good show. If you are planning on racing the AES Picketpost Punisher, this would be a great way to put back some volunteer hours into the course and maybe even pre-ride some segments in the process.

    Thanks everyone!

    EDIT (10/1): The work day will be October 12th! We will decide at the end of the work day if we need more time out there and we will then schedule another work day. Details on exactly where and when to meet will follow soon. I will post them as soon as I know. If you have an SUV, please contribute your time as regular passenger vehicles cannot make it up this road! THANKS!
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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    I'm interested, but I'm not around that weekend (12-13) or the one before (5-6). Any other weekend, I could make at least 1 day. And my truck could make it up no problem with a passenger and a bed full of gear.

    Ryan

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    Thanks for doing the legwork on this Arturo. I should be good to go that weekend, may even entice the wife to help out too!

    Ryan, that's good to know. If the trails still need a bit more clearing after the workday, maybe we can round up a few more for some final touch over the following weeks. Even the more popular southern section of AZT was beginning to show signs of encroaching catclaw.
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    Im sure I will be able to get out and help. Just keep us all updated as it gets closer.
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    ummm, that's Coco 250 weekend. I suspect that a few of the folks that will be doing the punisher will be doing Coco as well. They are kind of masochistic that way.

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    Bummer, same weekend as Coco. Posted on AES FB to promote also.

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    Crap. I forgot about the Coco250! Those dates are the only weekend that work for me but they don't have to be the trail work dates for everyone. I'd rather have more people attend if we can find a date that works. We could also split up the work dates or maybe even do one weekend and one weekday (to accommodate work schedules). Just let me know what will work for everyone. I'm doing this early for this reason.

    October 5th is the ToWM
    October 12/13 were the tentative days I had selected (happens to coincide with Coco250).
    I'm out of town the next two weekends and then the AES ride is on November 2nd.

    EDIT: Thanks Chad for posting it on the AES FB page!

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    I'm gonna count myself in for this. Enough of this summer laziness!
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    My first Coco... or clean Cats Claw? Is that even a question!?

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    Arturo, why not add a poll to this thread? Not all the AES'ers will be doing the Coco. I'm good for either the 12th or 19th weekends, just not the 26th.
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    weekend of 12th is also Prescott her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    I'm gonna count myself in for this. Enough of this summer laziness!
    Since you're well rested I'm expecting you to clear 3 times the amount of Catclaw as the rest of us

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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    Arturo, why not add a poll to this thread? Not all the AES'ers will be doing the Coco. I'm good for either the 12th or 19th weekends, just not the 26th.
    I don't see any option to add a poll under Thread Tools.

    Is there a mod that can help me?

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    I thought you could add one to the original post while in edit mode. Maybe not??
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    Quote Originally Posted by freeskier46 View Post
    I thought you could add one to the original post while in edit mode. Maybe not??
    I don't see an option anywhere. I googled around about vBulletin and it's supposed to show up under the Thread Tools drop down at the top of the thread. Do you know any mods I can PM?

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    Also the 2nd NICA race is that weekend. I could do it the next weekend.

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    I've never done any volunteer trail work. Keep us posted when the date(s) become official. Would like to assist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cycljunkie View Post
    I've never done any volunteer trail work. Keep us posted when the date(s) become official. Would like to assist...
    Thanks Cyclejunkie! I may start a new thread later on once we get closer to October.

    I think at this point I'm leaning to maybe doing two trail work days but on two weekends. Maybe do the first day on Saturday or Sunday (the 19th or 20th) and then the second day on Saturday or Sunday (the 26th or 27th).

    What do you all think?

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    D'oh! I'm in Nawlins' that weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GilaMonster View Post
    Count me in.
    Thanks! I'll keep you in mind when the time gets closer.

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    D'oh! I'm in Nawlins' that weekend.
    Nooooo! Maybe you can be the clean up crew the following weekend if we don't get everything done.

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    The proposed work days are only a couple weeks out now. Any updates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dag Nabbit View Post
    D'oh! I'm in Nawlins' that weekend.
    So I lied. I'm not in Nawlins, but family is coming in that weekend. Got my dates all backwards. Sheesh!
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    Ok everyone, it looks like we have firmed up the work date to be October 12th (10/12). After we complete that work date, we will decide if we need to meet again at a later date to finish the rest of the work. I will post up details on when and where exactly in the next few days once I meet with the AZT passage steward.

    Try and get as many people involved as you can! Also, if you have an SUV, it would definitely be appreciated as passenger cars cannot make the drive up this road.

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    Awaiting details. Any update? Id like to basically know when and where you plan to meet/start the work. Depending on this info Id like to arrive early enough to ride up to where the work will be done and help out.
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    Hey Douger, sorry for the delay. I just spoke to my AZT contact to iron out details. We're thinking of meeting at the Picketpost TH at 7am but that is not set in stone just yet. Unfortunately there may be a problem with officially sanctioned trail work being done during the government shutdown since the trail resides on national forest land. The AZT rep is trying to get a hold of the forest service rep for that area to confirm.

    Worst case scenario, we can all just get together ourselves and trim back the catclaw "unofficially". We'll have to play it by ear.

    As for riding up to the work site, you may want to rethink that. When John and I did it in June at a casual pace, it took us about 5 hours to get to the top of Montana Mountain! It's a lot of climbing. You'll probably be too exhausted to do trail work if you came up via bike. Just wanted to give you a heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECEGatorTuro View Post
    Hey Douger, sorry for the delay. I just spoke to my AZT contact to iron out details. We're thinking of meeting at the Picketpost TH at 7am but that is not set in stone just yet. Unfortunately there may be a problem with officially sanctioned trail work being done during the government shutdown since the trail resides on national forest land. The AZT rep is trying to get a hold of the forest service rep for that area to confirm.

    Worst case scenario, we can all just get together ourselves and trim back the catclaw "unofficially". We'll have to play it by ear.

    As for riding up to the work site, you may want to rethink that. When John and I did it in June at a casual pace, it took us about 5 hours to get to the top of Montana Mountain! It's a lot of climbing. You'll probably be too exhausted to do trail work if you came up via bike. Just wanted to give you a heads up.
    So, this is a walk and trim, not a bike and trim? Will we be able to get vehicles on the road to transport people up close to the trail?

    This doesn't have to be an official trail day. I'm sure they won't mind if we go rogue on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECEGatorTuro View Post
    As for riding up to the work site, you may want to rethink that. When John and I did it in June at a casual pace, it took us about 5 hours to get to the top of Montana Mountain! It's a lot of climbing. You'll probably be too exhausted to do trail work if you came up via bike. Just wanted to give you a heads up.
    I hear you but I better not be too exhausted. I will still have another 35 miles of riding to do at that point in a few weeks So is the plan to drive to the top and just start walking down trimming where you can? If you plan to meet at 7am my guess is work will begin around 8:30-9am by the time everyone gathers and drives up there. It took me 3 hours give or take to climb up to the top of 4 peaks so Id have to leave around 6am and I should be up there around the same time. Thats my thought process at least.

    My weekend time is very limited so Im trying to kill two birds with one stone.
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    While we wait for the details I guess that I will post up my plan. My goal on 10/12 will be to ride to ride to the top of Montana Mtn and then ride the road back down to the northern most AZT crossing. I will ride the section that parallels the road clearing all vegetation. When I rode this a month ago there were about a dozen spots where the catclaw was seriously encroaching or actually growing in the center of the trail. So I plan to clear the section of trail between the blue arrows below. I know this isnt the main problem area but I at least have an idea of what needs to be done on the lower section. Obviously this can chnage as new details emerge.

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    Doug,
    That sounds good, I'd imagine you'd be able to clear that section solo? I'm pretty sure my wife and I will be hiking down Montana Mtn doing the clearing there.

    At this point I'd plan on anyone else meeting at Picketpost trailhead at 7am, bring any tools you think would be necessary to clear catclaw and minor trimming, water, food, typical stuff for a day out on the trail. FR650 takes you to the top of Montana Mtn right where the AZT crosses, it's the yellow pin marker on Doug's map. The road is in decent shape, but there's one spot where a 4x4 is needed, I would think a Tacoma, Pathfinder, etc could easily make the drive.

    Hopefully we'll have a nice turnout and knock this out in one day, I've already had my fair share of catclaw thrashing from this past weekend!
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    Yeah I think so. Like I said I only recall a dozen or so really bad spots. Hopefully there isn't a lot of new growth. Im sure I will see you all on the way up.
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    Sorry for the lack of details recently. I heard back from the AZT and Forest Service officials yesterday and they said there cannot be any official volunteer work performed during the government shutdown.

    Now if you happen to mosey on up there with a pair of loppers in your hands and just so happen to do that with a bunch of other like-minded friends who just happen to be there at the same time, by all means go for it.

    I personally will not be attending as I have a change of plans but I hope you guys can organize and take it from here. John and his wife will definitely be there so hopefully one of the other volunteers will be able to take them up to the top in an SUV.

    Thanks again everyone for your help!! Any work is better than no work.

    John, I'll leave it in your hands to organize rides, tools, etc. with everyone who wanted to contribute.

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    official don't matter. I'll be there.

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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    No stinking Washington, D.C. Clown Car is gonna keep me locked indoors this weekend. I can fit three in my Tacoma, but the third person gets the jumpseat, a bit if an uncomfortable ride, but not too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GilaMonster View Post
    No stinking Washington, D.C. Clown Car is gonna keep me locked indoors this weekend. I can fit three in my Tacoma, but the third person gets the jumpseat, a bit if an uncomfortable ride, but not too far.
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    Do you think you will have enough of a turn out to get the work done on the upper section? I know I proposed trimming that lower segment but if I can help more somewhere else let me know.
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    Well I made it. Climb up Montana Mtn wasn't too bad. I didn't expect as much climbing after completing the switchbacks so that caught me off guard. The cat claw is cleared in the segment I identified above. Man that is one nasty as scrub. One thing I wouldn't mind being extinct. Its pure evil.

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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    Man, hats off to you, Doug! That is not an easy ride! We started at the second road crossing and clipped 4 miles in. Sure was a nice day out there!

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    Doug,
    Thanks for making it out there today & taking care of that segment. The road past the second turnoff had a dicey section so we retreated back to said crossing and began trimming heading north.

    If anyone heads out there to pre-ride the upper 2 miles of AZT at the top of Montana Mtn, please take some clippers. It will be much appreciated by all. As GilaMonster stated the trail from the base of Montana Mtn through the wash section out to FR650 is clear of catclaw!!

    I'm sure we'll be doing a little trimming tomorrow on the southern picketpost section too.
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    Hey I liked that catsclaw !













    J/k Good work !
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    Baller. I've got the week of the 21st off, I think I'll have to make a trip out there since I'll miss race day. Anyone free to do a loop and lop some catclaw?
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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

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    Doug,
    Thanks for making it out there today & taking care of that segment. The road past the second turnoff had a dicey section so we retreated back to said crossing and began trimming heading north.

    If anyone heads out there to pre-ride the upper 2 miles of AZT at the top of Montana Mtn, please take some clippers. It will be much appreciated by all. As GilaMonster stated the trail from the base of Montana Mtn through the wash section out to FR650 is clear of catclaw!!

    I'm sure we'll be doing a little trimming tomorrow on the southern picketpost section too.
    How dicey is the road? I've got a Tacoma on 33s and between jobs, so plenty of time and capability.

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    Road is fine both ways up are easily 2wd the west road up is a bit smoother but you have to travel across the top to the east farther and that section can be a bit rougher
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    The section that we turned back on had a drop that was just a little much for a Nissan Titan pickup. Not a truck guy, but 33s sound pretty big. Might work.

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    The spot in question was probably washed out with the rains a month ago or so. It is about a 4 foot vertical drop into the wash. I really didnt look at it from a driving point of view and Im not a truck guy either but my guess is you would need some good clearance.
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    AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    I guess I'll have to take a look. I was just in Moab to play with the bike and truck. http://sololocorps.blogspot.com.AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1381872437.747572.jpg

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    If you were doing that in Moab, you should be fine I would guess!! Thanks for heading up there, the trail needs it.
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    Re: AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    The spot in question was probably washed out with the rains a month ago or so. It is about a 4 foot vertical drop into the wash. I really didnt look at it from a driving point of view and Im not a truck guy either but my guess is you would need some good clearance.
    I came down that road two weeks ago and a Ram pickup was stuck and abandoned trying to get up that. Some poor sod probably thought he'd take the back way down from Roger's Trough and didn't want to turn around.

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    Okay this spot you guys are talking about must be new ..Where is it approx? As I remember no obstacles going up either side.
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    Re: AZT Reavis Canyon (aka Picketpost North) trail work days... NEED VOLUNTEERS!!

    Between the trailhead at the bottom of Montana mtn and the switchbacks. I seem to recall it was one of the last major drainage crossings before starting the steep stuff going up.

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