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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    ...I dismantled your work. Don't do it again...it's a DESERT PRESERVE!! If you have any questions, I'm happy to give you my phone number or meet you in person to discuss it.

    I've been riding in the Preserve for 11+ years, and that's the first time I've seen this. I found these going down Quartz, just past the steeper parts towards the top:
    First jump, after I dismantled it and blocked it
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    Closer shot; I then smoothed that all out
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    From the other side; you can really see the damage...right through the bushes
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    Second jump and cut-through
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    Closer view
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    Other side; shows the damage
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    Done, but look at the damage. I should have blocked it off more, which I'll do next time. If someone gets out there, please build up a barricade.
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    Very sad...I hate to see this in the Preserve I love.


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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Chick in the background looks entirely unconcerned.

    Bet you it's rebuilt within the week.
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    The preserve peeps need to know about this.

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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    The preserve peeps need to know about this.
    They do...tkm on here is on my Strava, and a bike patrol steward...he's on it.


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    Philbo - I am a MSP Bike Patroller and I've let the Patrol Lead as well as the city of Scottsdale staff know about this too. This is the crap that we mountain bikers are constantly defending against, even if was neighborhood kids who built this, we will be blamed as a group.

    Waltaz & CoyoteKis, thanks again for the photos and the impromptu trail work!!

    If it was a mtbr who built these, and you happen to read this, your jumps will constantly be torn down, I promise. Stop destroying the preserve.

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    Walt a year ago I noticed a couple kids out there with a camera, a spesh demo and an sx trail. These were the same ones that built the jumps off Gateway south/west of the Paradise cutoff. Wouldnt doubt if these were the same. They come from lower paradise

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    Turned a little jump in to a little bunny hop. I liked the buffalo stance chick though. Well done.
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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    You rock!
    Smiling and nonplussed? Hey, all I needed was a lawn chair, beer, and some popcorn as I watched Walt do work ;-)
    Those jumps came between me and pool time! *grr*
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    good job backing up your critique with more than words. Must confess I am of mixed minds cause I would love some b-lines in the McDs, and given all the houses, development, off-trail hikers, and trailheads the damage is not a big deal in comparison. But Walt and Tjkm make good points about the Preserve, and a proper b-line should not cause damage or spider trails. At least these jumps have clear lines-of-sight, the ones on Bell were into some corners which is just dangerous.

    I think some decent B-lines could be made at the very bottom of Quartz where it cuts through the golf course. There are some small natural cliffs there along with some slope for speed, easy loop back to the top, water from the golf course, and its just a scar of a cut-through anyway so its not causing damage and probably no one would care. If you see the builders, maybe politely suggest that or some better alternatives. Gotta at least appreciate how the local kids feel about wanting different variety in their neighborhood -- I feel the same way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    good job backing up your critique with more than words. Must confess I am of mixed minds cause I would love some b-lines in the McDs, and given all the houses, development, off-trail hikers, and trailheads the damage is not a big deal in comparison. But Walt and Tjkm make good points about the Preserve, and a proper b-line should not cause damage or spider trails. At least these jumps have clear lines-of-sight, the ones on Bell were into some corners which is just dangerous.

    I think some decent B-lines could be made at the very bottom of Quartz where it cuts through the golf course. There are some small natural cliffs there along with some slope for speed, easy loop back to the top, water from the golf course, and its just a scar of a cut-through anyway so its not causing damage and probably no one would care. If you see the builders, maybe politely suggest that or some better alternatives. Gotta at least appreciate how the local kids feel about wanting different variety in their neighborhood -- I feel the same way .
    Maybe the trails are not meeting the current growing demands for more challenging and creative trail building? I'm just playing devils advocate here.

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    IDK, but I'm going to do some more pull-ups!
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    stuff like that down on the flats is local kids on huffy's....seen it in other places too...they never last long because they're pretty crappy and poorly thought out, but ugly nonetheless. Good on you for for killing the lines.

    It would be another thing however, to see some tabletops coming off of Windgate on the east side, straight line descent.......that would just be irresponsibly rad.....kinda like when after the snowpacalypse, someone built a kicker off the cornice into Rustler and folks were hucking their meat in clear sight of folks riding the lift....that was also irresponsibly rad.

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    Re: To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    IDK, but I'm going to do some more pull-ups!
    Better include some pushups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
    stuff like that down on the flats is local kids on huffy's....seen it in other places too...they never last long because they're pretty crappy and poorly thought out, but ugly nonetheless. Good on you for for killing the lines.

    It would be another thing however, to see some tabletops coming off of Windgate on the east side, straight line descent.......that would just be irresponsibly rad.....kinda like when after the snowpacalypse, someone built a kicker off the cornice into Rustler and folks were hucking their meat in clear sight of folks riding the lift....that was also irresponsibly rad.
    "irresponsibly rad" is my new favorite thing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    "irresponsibly rad" is my new favorite thing to say.
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    I figured as much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maadjurguer View Post
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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    A b-line should be just that, a line. A complete spur and not just a jump off to the side on a multi use trail. They should be marked so that hikers and wimps don't stray onto them either!


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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    "irresponsibly rad" is my new favorite thing to say.
    to be soon followed by blogging about one's radness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eatdrinkride View Post
    Better include some pushups.
    Not as important for my rock climbing, but I still do em. It's Fing amazing what my core-work has done for my mountain biking, as I just started back up riding 2 weeks ago.
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    Those jumps are just plain dumb. Thanks Walt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoyoteKis View Post
    Smiling and nonplussed? Hey, all I needed was a lawn chair, beer, and some popcorn as I watched Walt do work ;-)
    Those jumps came between me and a QOM on strava! *grr*
    Fixed your quote for you.

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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

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    Fixed your quote for you.
    What's Strava?
    *head tilt*

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    I agree with Chollaball that some well placed, APPROVED, b-line options would be appropriate in some of the lesser used areas, that is just my opinion and not that of the MSC. I think it would be extremely difficult to sell that to the city and MSC though, as the 'Preserve' designation is there to minimize disruption to the land/ecosystem while allowing approved, restricted access to users.

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    I agree with Walt, I see the same thing on T-100, not jumps but cut trails and features that been there for decades removed. I do trail restoration whenever I can too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoBeer View Post
    I agree with Walt, I see the same thing on T-100, not jumps but cut trails and features that been there for decades removed. I do trail restoration whenever I can too.
    How the hell do you cut the trail on something that's double track? I guess the 29"ers handle that poorly. Maybe the 650B craze will end all that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TacoBeer View Post
    I do trail restoration whenever I can too.
    "restoration" not restoration

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    Edit, no need to get 26 vs 29 debate, it has nothing to do with this.

    you know, when an idiot cuts across a desert to get to another point on the trail. the worse part is the section I am speaking of the approved trail is only 20 yards away and yet someone cut straight through to they don't have to make a hard right or left turn (depending which direction the rider is going)
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    Stravabator shaving some milliseconds on that section.

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    It was built over the weekend because i went down that section on Thursday and it did not exist.

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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo View Post
    It was built over the weekend because i went down that section on Thursday and it did not exist.
    Yep; I rode it on Weds, and there was nothing.


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    Tjkm - the Preserve decision-makers view 'construction' differently than access. Access is their mission, and they have no problems justifying restrooms, horse-trailer dedicated parking, amphitheaters etc. in the name of access.

    From today's AZ Republic
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    "The $3.8 million Brown’s Ranch Trailhead, 30301 N. Alma School Parkway, provides parking and other amenities for visitors to better access the newly acquired desert, which runs east of Pima Road and south of the Tonto National Forest."



    I dont see how you can spend 4M on something and call it access, and not 'features', but that is how the powers-that-be interpret it. I encountered this ingrained viewpoint at a planning meeting for Brown's Ranch TH a couple years ago. Nearly got laughed out of the room when I proposes a pump track in the parking lot. A shower facility was taken seriously, however. There is no way at all any approved b-lines will ever become a reality. No building, period.

    The criteria the Somo rangers seem to use for b-lines is if its on rock (ie, non destructive), and no constructions (no ramps), and not putting the main trail users in any risk, they will allow it to remain open and unblocked. But, even that doesnt allow ramps. So, you are now left with the reality that neighborhood kids and others want those features, are going to make them, and you just need to be prepared to tear them down. To think we have all that land, all those TH's, and its all for XC-style travel seems kinda...I dunno...dull, uncreative, confining.

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    There goes a couple hours worth of work

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    Quote Originally Posted by JDroz View Post
    There goes a couple hours worth of work
    Whose work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz View Post
    Whose work?
    If that took you two hours, you need to stick to taking pictures!
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    Prob 12-22 year old kids who doesn't read this...Write them a letter and tie it to the spot if you want them to learn. Kids who build jumps in the desert when it's 100+ out are probably head headed. They will just do it again if they don't know why they can't build jumps...The desert is just a vacant lot to most kids
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    Isnt the desert just a vacant lot to urban sprawl? I get it. I really do. I was pissed when I found a bunch of corner cutting at Hawes this winter and spent my own time shutting down as many as I found. That being said I cant help but feel hypocritical on getting upset about a 10 ft corner cut when how much desert did the construction of my home destroy? How much for the roads I travel on everyday and on and on. Why is it acceptable to destroy so much on one hand and then a little 12 inch wide trail is unacceptable? Im not judging anyone just sharing my internal struggle with the issue.
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    Not sure whose work it is, but judging by the fact the kids built on a trail in a desert preserve means they most likely are new to building and it would take them longer to build it.

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    I'll be interested to see what it looks like when I ride there on Thurs morning...
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    Quote Originally Posted by luckybastard View Post
    Prob 12-22 year old kids who doesn't read this...Write them a letter and tie it to the spot if you want them to learn. They will just do it again if they don't know why they can't build jumps...
    Agree, note or even a sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    Isnt the desert just a vacant lot to urban sprawl? I get it. I really do. I was pissed when I found a bunch of corner cutting at Hawes this winter and spent my own time shutting down as many down as I found. That being said I cant help but feel hypocritical on getting upset about a 10 ft corner cut when how much desert did the construction of my home destroy? How much for the roads I travel on everyday and on and on. Why is it acceptable to destroy so much on one hand and then a little 12 inch wide trail is unacceptable? Im not judging anyone just sharing my internal struggle with the issue.
    I've thought the same thing. I've just always kept in the back of my mind that I don't 'own' said land, and am just happy to be able to ride it. I can't say that I'm never tempted to add things to trails (I have not in AZ) since in CT it was acceptable to do it, depending where of course.
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    The whole point of a Preserve is to keep it in as natural state as possible, users out hiking/biking want to enjoy the beauty and serenity of the desert without seeing man made objects (Jumps,etc.) everywhere.

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    To the ASSHATS who destroyed desert and built two jumps off Quartz in the McDow

    Quote Originally Posted by Azpilot View Post
    The whole point of a Preserve is to keep it in as natural state as possible, users out hiking/biking want to enjoy the beauty and serenity of the desert without seeing man made objects (Jumps,etc.) everywhere.
    Like the houses that are noticeable in the pic? To me, that ruins the serenity more than a jump/B line on the trail. Hell, I probably would have ridden them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Douger-1 View Post
    Isnt the desert just a vacant lot to urban sprawl? I get it. I really do. I was pissed when I found a bunch of corner cutting at Hawes this winter and spent my own time shutting down as many as I found. That being said I cant help but feel hypocritical on getting upset about a 10 ft corner cut when how much desert did the construction of my home destroy? How much for the roads I travel on everyday and on and on. Why is it acceptable to destroy so much on one hand and then a little 12 inch wide trail is unacceptable? Im not judging anyone just sharing my internal struggle with the issue.
    Yep. Phenis, diverting water into the desert for swimming pools and golf courses, how un-natural can you get. Preserve? What a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m77ranger View Post
    Yep. Phenis, diverting water into the desert for swimming pools and golf courses, how un-natural can you get. Preserve? What a joke.
    I guess we could always pave over the Preserves so as not to be hypocrites. Not sure what it would solve though....

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