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    Arizona Specific Tires

    I know this is probably going to conjure up a million different opinions and disagreements, but I gotta ask...
    What kind of tires does everyone run for our AZ terrain, and what are the best?
    I'm talking rocky PMP type stuff AND the loose gravel at MMP or Cave Creek Rec area.
    I'm currently running tubes, so that might make a difference.
    Thanks for the input!

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    Love my Specialize captains. Seem great on "everythign"

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2ojunkie
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    For X-country: As recommended above, specialize captains are good, but subject to sidewall cuts (from rocks) on the rear due to more rider weight. A good, fast tire for the rear that doesn't seem to mind desert abuse is the Hutchinson python light. I use specialize captain control on front and Hutchinson python light on rear (running UST though), Pythons work great, but do wear out rather quickly. I run them until almost bald without issues.

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    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!


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    I have some Continental Trail King 2.4 that are awesome...Dominics has them for $26...cant beat em...

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    Thanks for the info!
    Zuk- At first I just looked at the photo and thought, "For $530, those tires better carry me up the hill and make me breakfast!"

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    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. I was running 2.1 Weirwolf's since around January until now, and I have never had a flat yet. The 2.3 is allot better in deep sand, very happy with the WTB line of tires. Opened the tires after running them 8 months, and had a huge Stan's booger in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillwilly
    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. I was running 2.1 Weirwolf's since around January until now, and I have never had a flat yet. The 2.3 is allot better in deep sand, very happy with the WTB line of tires. Opened the tires after running them 8 months, and had a huge Stan's booger in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.
    I have always been curious about those Weirwolfs. Pretty wide tread that looks like it would be super grabby on rocks and corners, yea? A few of my buddies have ran them but have never stuck with them. They look to be a little too soft in that they wear down pretty quick. Any truth to that?

    I really like my Specialized Eskars for what its worth. I believe they have been replaced though, with the Purgs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillwilly
    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.
    I put a 2.1 Weirwolf on my front and love it so far. But, admittedly, I'm probably not good enough at riding to know any difference. I did buy a pair of 2.3s from Chainlove for $15 each so when my current set of tires are eaten up I'll go tubeless with the brand new tires.

    departmentofgoods.com still has 2.5 Weirwolf Race tires for $35. Don't know what the different flavors really mean, though: race, comp, downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike
    I put a 2.1 Weirwolf on my front and love it so far. But, admittedly, I'm probably not good enough at riding to know any difference. I did buy a pair of 2.3s from Chainlove for $15 each so when my current set of tires are eaten up I'll go tubeless with the brand new tires.

    departmentofgoods.com still has 2.5 Weirwolf Race tires for $35. Don't know what the different flavors really mean, though: race, comp, downhill...
    Dang, I wish they had 24 inch ones. I'd buy one right now. Still looking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    I know this is probably going to conjure up a million different opinions and disagreements, but I gotta ask...
    What kind of tires does everyone run for our AZ terrain, and what are the best?
    I'm talking rocky PMP type stuff AND the loose gravel at MMP or Cave Creek Rec area.
    I'm currently running tubes, so that might make a difference.
    Thanks for the input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zukicidal
    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!

    Must be the ones with the gold belts.
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    Just going to pop in a little dirty, science, info found in the really boring parts of discussions/blogs/scientific findings of tire technology-some from motorcycles here (which I learned as a racing tire distributor.)

    For starters, until one is confident on thier bike (whether new to the bike or new to riding) changing up tires or wondering what is best isn't really important yet. Save up the money for a good tune up or spring for some bling. Once you know how your bike and your particular riding style dictate the lines you are taking and how well you ride- then it is time to experiement, seek advice and learn some lessons. I am assuming you are already there as are most posters in this forum- thats just something I pass on to new folks I help into the sport.

    Hard terrain dictates hard knobs for best traction. Sound backwards? To many it does. People always think soft tires for more grip, just like on race cars and road bikes. Makes sense since our hardpack out here is nearly hard as pavement. But a soft knob rolls as force is applied to it. This roll on cement will roll to the edge until it breaks traction causing a squirm- NASCAR tires are smooth. No knob roll. Knob roll on loose stuff over hard means rolling off traction just when you are diggin for traction. A hard knob works best for the trails you describe and will work good pretty much anywhere for me.

    Tall knobs dig into the looser stuff better and some even say they claw onto rocks. The gravity set likes them because they do lots of hard braking on crappy trail (loose rock,sand, silt). Short knobs are great too as they grip nicely on hard terrain, are decent in shallow loose stuff and have less rolling resistance on flat terrain. They are lighter too due to having less rubber which matters on long climbs and short bursts of power.
    Technique plays huge into tire choice, bike style too. Body weight, running tubeless or not (not even getting into which is better because doing anything to tires besides riding on them sucks- whether its changing tubes or dealing with goo!) rim style makes a difference in tire choice as well. Follow some folks around who ride like you do and try what they run. Thats how I made my choice and I am hooked on Maxxis low knob tires like the Larsen TT Crossmark. I have a Bontrager on the front that I was going to replace when worn, but it still sticks after about 500 miles, so its still there. My turning technique allows me to run a knobbier tire unless I "blow" the line then its a handful.

    I really geek out on tire talk- sorry for the long post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    For starters, until one is confident on thier bike (whether new to the bike or new to riding) changing up tires or wondering what is best isn't really important yet. Save up the money for a good tune up or spring for some bling. Once you know how your bike and your particular riding style dictate the lines you are taking and how well you ride- then it is time to experiement, seek advice and learn some lessons. I am assuming you are already there as are most posters in this forum- thats just something I pass on to new folks I help into the sport.
    Thanks for the info! I feel I have just gotten to the point you speak of, to where I know my riding style and my machine. The guys at the LBS i go to recommended a small knob tire, the Bontrager XR1's (http://bontrager.com/model/07798), so I picked up one for the rear. I gotta say, after a few months of riding on it, I'm not really sold. I was out at MMP today and it was slipping out on a lot of the loose climbs. I never felt very confident in turns either. maybe a bigger knob is the way to go.

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    i've had great luck running these on my 4" travel 26"....i run 'em with slimed tubes.

    kenda nevegal in the front 2.35 ~38 psi
    kenda small block on the back 2.35 ~40 psi

    you would think that the small block wouldn't climb very well, but they are really hard to break loose on the back of a FS bike. they roll really fast, and i also feel like they brake pretty good and are really predicatable. i usually ride about a 15 mile out-n-back from my house to ringtail trailhead (MSP) and the small block eight is only 2 months old and it's almost gone (i'm 225 lbs)...but the 15 miles includes about 3 miles of asphalt.

    i've heard people crab about the sidewalks of the kendas, but I've had really good luck with mine.....i've nailed many, many rocks on the sidewalls and never had a pinch (knock, knock).

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    I had around 650 miles of trailriding, on my Weirwolf 2.1's and they still had some tread left on them. They are a soft tire, which work very well in the sand and hardpack, IMO. I like the Kenda Nevegal tires, I would be afraid to run them tubeless with 4 ounces of sealant. If Kenda makes them tubeless compatabile in the future, I would definitely consider running them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    Thanks for the info! I feel I have just gotten to the point you speak of, to where I know my riding style and my machine. The guys at the LBS i go to recommended a small knob tire, the Bontrager XR1's (http://bontrager.com/model/07798), so I picked up one for the rear. I gotta say, after a few months of riding on it, I'm not really sold. I was out at MMP today and it was slipping out on a lot of the loose climbs. I never felt very confident in turns either. maybe a bigger knob is the way to go.
    Other factors are tire pressure and sidewall construction. A small knob tire when inflated too much will handle pretty badly everywhere. Expirement and destroy!
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    I ride mostly XC stuff here in the Valley and prefer Kenda Small Block 8's for most everything. They are like Velcro and roll very fast.

    Some other good choices (IMHO):

    Kenda Nevagals
    Kenda Karma
    Maxxis Larsen TT
    Maxxis Aspen
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    Specialized Capt (front)
    Specialized Fast Track (rear)
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    I second the choice of captains on the front and fast tracks on the rear for most xc riding.

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    Anyone want a 24x2.60 Specialized Roller? It's too big for my Big Hit.

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    I second the choice of captains on the front and fast tracks on the rear for most xc riding.

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    Ok another bonehead question. A 26x2.3 or 2.3 will fit on a normal rim, just as a 2.1 would, right? All that really changes is the width of the tread, right? sorry for the noob question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    Ok another bonehead question. A 26x2.3 or 2.3 will fit on a normal rim, just as a 2.1 would, right? All that really changes is the width of the tread, right? sorry for the noob question.
    Yes.

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    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.


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    Best hard rubbered, cheap, moderate, good wearing tire I've ever run.... CST Cabellero. $12 to 13 each, run them tubeless with Stans, beat the crap out of them, predictable when they break loose. Available in 26" and 29" tires. Can't beat how they wear, and can't beat the price when you tear a sidewall, if you ever do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.
    Specialized resolution front/rear now with about 225 miles on them, next will be maxxis high roller semi slick for rear (already have) with undecided for front (been looking at minion and other maxxis).

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    my XC-ish setup:

    front- weirwolf 2.5 at ~25 psi
    rear- mutanoraptor turned around backwards (works much much better this way, floats instead of sinks in loose stuff) ~30psi

    run the 2.24 mutano if you are big and/or aggressive
    run the 2.4 mutano if you are light and/or smooth (the 2.24 is a beefier construction tire, but the 2.4 rolls better)

    tubeless of course
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    oh yeah watch chainlove- they've been selling mutanoraptors for $15 lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson1417
    Love my Specialize captains. Seem great on "everythign"

    I'm running 29x2 Captain Control 2Bliss on my Hei Hei on the rear right now, in general I agree with your comment. However, I notice that descending Bell Pass the tire breaks and loses traction far sooner than the Bontrager ACX it replaced.
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    I am really liking the geax squaro's, I like the WTB wolverines too but they seem to be wearing out fast.
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    I'm riding Maxxis: Ignitor front and Larsen TT rear. Both have rock cuts and are booted multiple times.
    Hey everybody, ride my wheels! They ride good, real good.
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    looking for 29er suggestions

    I'm riding a HT Cannondale Caffeine w/ Lefty fork. Currently running a Geax Saguaro in the rear and Conti Mountain king 2.3 in the front. Both with Stans

    I've really liked the weirwolf on my FS 26 inch bike, but haven't been able to find a tubeless compatible 29" weirwolf...Any suggestions for something similar or does anyone know if WTB makes the Weirwolf for a 29er?

    I've been thinking about trying the Nevegal on the front... Had the Captain Control on in front previously, but didn't like how it seemed to slide out on loose turns. The Conti is ok, but not quite big enough volume...

    I mainly ride T100/PMP....

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjs
    I'm riding a HT Cannondale Caffeine w/ Lefty fork. Currently running a Geax Saguaro in the rear and Conti Mountain king 2.3 in the front. Both with Stans

    I've really liked the weirwolf on my FS 26 inch bike, but haven't been able to find a tubeless compatible 29" weirwolf...Any suggestions for something similar or does anyone know if WTB makes the Weirwolf or a 29er?

    I've been thinking about trying the Nevegal on the front... Had the Captain Control on in front previously, but didn't like how it seemed to slide out on loose turns. The Conti is ok, but not quite big enough volume...

    I mainly ride T100/PMP....

    Thanks.
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    Does anyone know if you can run the Weirwolf LT 29er (29x2.55) with Stans sealant? I've heard with the WTB tires that are not TCS there is a big risk of the bead blowing out...Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zukicidal
    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!

    I know, I just some tires from Jenson. Screw buying $50-70 tires at bike shops. I wait until the prices drop, and then stock up. Whether or not they are the greatest tire in the world, I just got a killer deal on some Maxxis ardents and intense edge/909 tires, these things were not cheap to start with. I had my problems with the ultra cheap blowout kendas, but these have been pretty good to me the last few times I ordered em. When I can get 3+ tires for the price of one brand new tire, it's time to stop worrying about having the latest and greatest, at least for me. On the other hand, if you really need downhill traction, I have yet to find anything that matches a set of minions. It's just that with a tire that wears down that fast, I only get them if I really need them (for a race).

    Here's what works (for me).
    If you like smooth XC and skinny tires and you don't ride much rocky stuff or loose stuff, you can get away with some pretty narrow tires, but the desert always has a certain "looseness" to it, so some of the ultra-narrow/low tread stuff still doesn't work all that great.

    Some of the moderately skinny/wide tires with decent sidewalls also work well. These are around 2.2-2.3s, but beware, some of these are ultra-thin sidewall tires meant to keep weight down, and these are exactly the ones that do not work well in our more agressive terrain.

    When you get to 2.5ish, usually you are starting to get some decently beefy tires, but again beware of the "lightweight" ones. 600-700g is too light for a tire this wide, and it means you'll have a paper thin sidewall. 800-900g is usually decent, but not lighter.

    Honestly, I kind of go by the weight, but not to get the lightest tire ever (as explained above). When I start seeing 2.3-2.5 tires that weigh as much as 2.0-2.1 tires from 5-10 years ago, red flags start going off in my head. These are likely to be piss poor, they sucker you in with the promise of high volume and traction, but they let you down when the knobs rip off or more commonly (for me) the sidewall tears.
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    I've had good luck running 2.35 LUST maxxis highrollers front and rear.

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    Specialized Captain (front)
    Specialized Fast Track (rear).

    Slimed the front, and will be sliming the rear upon next flat.

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    I've been running a 2.35 Maxxis Igniter on the front and a 2.1 Kenda Small Block 8 on the rear, with tubes, of a 1999 Trek VRX 300. I bought the same set up UST for my 2011 Fuel EX 9.7.

    They are great out here and always a deal on Jenson.

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    Been running Geax Saguaro's UST for the past year on a 2010 Stumpjumper Comp 29er, probably have 1,000 miles on them and shopping to change it up. I tore the rear sidewall last weekend at MMP, other wise would have kept the rear a bit longer.

    I still have my Fast Trak S-Works that came with the bike, I still can not set them up tubless even with the DT Swiss revolvek (sp?) blue tape. Not sure if they still make the Saguaro UST, so looking for a UST tire to run tubless on my DT Swiss 450's.

    Well see.......

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    Check out the Captain series from Specialized. My buddy runs those, and loves them. I've run Captains with tubes, and they are hard to beat.

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    Does anyone know if you can run the Weirwolf LT 29er (29x2.55) with Stans sealant? I've heard with the WTB tires that are not TCS there is a big risk of the bead blowing out...Any thoughts?
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mb300
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
    Good to know as I have a pair of Weirwolfs awaiting a ghetto application

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm
    Not sure if they still make the Saguaro UST, so looking for a UST tire to run tubless on my DT Swiss 450's.
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    Slippery Pig still has the Saguaro UST, just picked up a pair last week.

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    Continenal Trail King (rubber queen) front 2.4
    Continental Mountain king 2.4 rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb300
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
    Ditto here. Running MotoRaptors with 20" BMX tube plus Stan's on Mavic EN321 and XM317 rims here and so far so good. I too read they don't work well but am very glad I tried anyway.
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    Since this is the first time I'm trying this tire I cannot say if it is any good but....

    I just installed a wire bead CST Caballero ($11.99 each) on a D4.2 rim ghetto with gorilla tape and Stan's. It inflated without any soap and sealed up without any problmes.

    I'm heading out to National today for the first trail time with it.

    I will update again after I have ridden them for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heat
    Slippery Pig still has the Saguaro UST, just picked up a pair last week.
    29 or 26? Can only find 26 online. Looking for the 29........

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjs
    Does anyone know if you can run the Weirwolf LT 29er (29x2.55) with Stans sealant? I've heard with the WTB tires that are not TCS there is a big risk of the bead blowing out...Any thoughts?
    I ran one on the front on Cro29maxs tubeless with Stans for almost a year with 0 problems. Never dropped air and never flatted or add any tears. I had some slippage in loose corners a few times but just figured my gauge is off on my pump and was running pressure a tad high!!

    The stans looks a little funky after a while, so it must be reacting to the inside of the tire, but never caused any issues!

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    29 or 26? Can only find 26 online. Looking for the 29........
    26 although you might give 'em a call as a majority of their bikes are 29ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heat
    26 although you might give 'em a call as they a majority of their bikes are 29ers.
    Thanks, I appreciate the info!

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    I had a strange failure on my Specialized Captain S Works yesterday. It developed a huge bulge across a section of the tread... It was about time to replace it anyway and I plan to replace with another of the same tire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phillbo
    I had a strange failure on my Specialized Captain S Works yesterday. It developed a huge bulge across a section of the tread... It was about time to replace it anyway and I plan to replace with another of the same tire.

    My S-works did the same thing......Specialized (Landis) replaced it - no questions asked. I had them replace with the control version because of the durability issues with S-works tires here in AZ.

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    Can you tell much difference between the S Works and the Control version ?

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    They are the same tire (tread, etc.) The S-Works is just lighter (thinner sidewall). I diced-up the ones that came with my bike pretty quick. Having said that, the Controls are still pretty light.

    Most of the shops in town will tell you the S-Works are not good for our local rocky trails.

    I've had pretty good luck with the control series tires. I use the Captain on the front with the Fast Track on the rear.

    Also....the controls are easier (for me) to mount tubeless....the s-works are too "flimsy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskersOfDeath

    Most of the shops in town will tell you the S-Works are not good for our local rocky trails.

    Thanks for the advice.... most shops would tell you, mine was happy to special order me one. I went with the Control

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskersOfDeath
    They are the same tire (tread, etc.) The S-Works is just lighter (thinner sidewall). I diced-up the ones that came with my bike pretty quick. Having said that, the Controls are still pretty light.

    Most of the shops in town will tell you the S-Works are not good for our local rocky trails.

    I've had pretty good luck with the control series tires. I use the Captain on the front with the Fast Track on the rear.

    Also....the controls are easier (for me) to mount tubeless....the s-works are too "flimsy"
    I am running my spare Control on the rear until I figure out what I want to by. My bike feels twitchy for lack of better word and I am not digging this tire.

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    I have been riding Weirwolfs for a while now. Love the traction they offer, but the rubber seems so soft! They're wearing pretty quickly, not sure how much longer they'll last. Anyone know of a geed tire with a similar tread, but a little more durable rubber? Someone recently recommended Maxxis tires, curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    I have been riding Weirwolfs for a while now. Love the traction they offer, but the rubber seems so soft! They're wearing pretty quickly, not sure how much longer they'll last. Anyone know of a geed tire with a similar tread, but a little more durable rubber? Someone recently recommended Maxxis tires, curious.
    I'm not yet the most skilled, hard, or technical rider but I've found that my Weirwolf up front has worn VERY little compared to the Velociraptor rear which has significant wear in roughly the same time frame on the bike. How the WW would fare on the rear I do not yet know...

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    I only have the Wierwolf in the back. I run a cheap Kenda (I think it's a Nevegal) up front. Front tires tend to last forever for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike
    I'm not yet the most skilled, hard, or technical rider but I've found that my Weirwolf up front has worn VERY little compared to the Velociraptor rear which has significant wear in roughly the same time frame on the bike. How the WW would fare on the rear I do not yet know...
    Your rear tire will always wear much faster than your front especially out here in our rocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunerinaz
    Your rear tire will always wear much faster than your front especially out here in our rocks.
    That's kinda what I was thinking myself as I thought the quick wear on the rear was unusual.

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    No news as of yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kdimon
    I am really liking the geax squaro's, I like the WTB wolverines too but they seem to be wearing out fast.
    +1 on the Geax Saguaro TNT 29er, at least as a rear tire here in AZ. Good grip with ~29psi and DT rims setup tubeless. I've worn out my first and just bought a replacement. Sidewalls have held up well to the rocks here in PHX area.

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    I have been rocking a pair of 2.4 Maxis Ardent Single ply and they have been working out great. Nice fat volume, great traction, and most impressive, they are wearing great. Ride South Mountain National trail 3 times a week. Also have been hitting Sedona and so far have no complaints.

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    I have been riding Weirwolfs for a while now. Love the traction they offer, but the rubber seems so soft! They're wearing pretty quickly, not sure how much longer they'll last. Anyone know of a geed tire with a similar tread, but a little more durable rubber? Someone recently recommended Maxxis tires, curious.
    Ditto what Mike said-- the Weirwolfs work great as a front tire AND they seem to last a good long time too (provided they are on the front).

    For the rear the only tire that I've found that lasts a long long time (and still provides reasonable grip) is the IRC Trailbear. They wear like iron. The one on the back of Dre's 5" bike is holding up great. She would have worn out 3 mutanoraptors in the time that the Trailbear had been on her bike.
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    Continental Mountain King 2.4 front
    Nobby Nic 2.3 back

    Knobs on nobby nic are starting to rip off after 15 rides or so.
    I'm pleased with the traction I get from both, the mountain king has been fantastic.

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    Anyone tried the AKA in 29r?

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    Just switched to Spc Purgatory 2.4 up front big improvement over the kenda...eliminated some washout in the sand and it holds a great line on the chunk...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javelina
    Just switched to Spc Purgatory 2.4 up front big improvement over the kenda...eliminated some washout in the sand and it holds a great line on the chunk...
    agree
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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkrw3
    Anyone tried the AKA in 29r?
    I tried the AKA in a 26 and started tearing knobs off almost immediately. After a month of riding twice a week, the rear was done. One knob took a whole section down to the cords. Traction in the rear was amazing but if the 29r is anything like the 26, I'd avoid it unless you're only riding trails like BCT or similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2ojunkie
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    Quote Originally Posted by h2ojunkie
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    For fun south mountain style riding, I use Nevegal 2.35 UST. At 1050 grams per tire, they are heavy beasts.. but never flat as the rubber is sooo thick. They corner like mad and wear great and cost $33 dollars online.. They make you faster cause they weigh so much... now I put race tires on for stuff like Whisky or whatever and feels like I'm cheating. I also use 2 scoops of stans. I have managed one blowout on that crab rock on national... but that is rare.

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    I have a Titus FTM and run UST Nevegals front and rear. 2.35 front and 2.1 rear with a bit of Stans. I ride XC and have been really happy with this combo.

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    I am coming off back surgery and have been looking to ride a new build. The bike is a 26" FS Epic. I have installed UST Kenda/Nevegal 2.35 front and back with Stans and will primarily ride in Flagstaff. Any opinions on this setup?

    Thanks

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    Kenda Nevegals have become my favorite tire for the rear, I never seem to slip on them, and they're inexpensive. For the chunky stuff out here, I'll keep rolling those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ_Wook
    +1 on the Geax Saguaro TNT 29er, at least as a rear tire here in AZ. Good grip with ~29psi and DT rims setup tubeless. I've worn out my first and just bought a replacement. Sidewalls have held up well to the rocks here in PHX area.
    I actually think the Geax Saguro tires are a joke. I regret taking a LBS employee's reccomendation and buying one and throwing it on front after I thought the Maxxis Ignitors were not ideal for the trials around here. My main beef with them is loose over hardpack. A little sand over hard basically which is encountered often around here. The middle doesn't have gaps to take up the sand and when you corner on the next set of knobs they are SOOOO flimsy they give you a wobbly feeling. If you look down the tire straight on, there is a gap betwen the side knobs and the 3/4 knobs I call them. Might be good for street tires but that's about it.. . Good thing I only paid like $20 for it.

    After 3 rides on them up front I'm switching back to my Maxxis Ignitor until I make up my mind on my next front tire.

    I'm thinking about
    2.35" Panaracer Rampage up front.
    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Mtb+Tire.aspx

    Then maybe when my Maxxis Ignitors get worn enough from riding rear I'm thinking it's between Kenda Nevegal, MAxxis Crossmark and Continental Xking.

    I'm also thinking about buying a new front rim. Mine is only 23mm wide. Thinking I need a 28 at min to pair up well with a 2.35" tire I think.
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    Take a look at the Maxxis Ardent or ADvantage for a front. Agree a 2.35" tire might be pushing it for a 23mm wide rim, but the Ignitors do run a little narrow. Think 25mm or wider, or consider trying a 2.25" wide tire.

    Quote Originally Posted by berny2435
    ...Then maybe when my Maxxis Ignitors get worn enough from riding rear I'm thinking it's between Kenda Nevegal, MAxxis Crossmark and Continental Xking.

    I'm also thinking about buying a new front rim. Mine is only 23mm wide. Thinking I need a 28 at min to pair up well with a 2.35" tire I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4slomo
    Take a look at the Maxxis Ardent or ADvantage for a front. Agree a 2.35" tire might be pushing it for a 23mm wide rim, but the Ignitors do run a little narrow. Think 25mm or wider, or consider trying a 2.25" wide tire.
    Yeah, I saw those Ardents. I have been considering that for a front or rear tire. I think I like the Idea of just getting a new rim and putting on the Rampage though. The Ardent looks like what I should go to if I keep the 23mm front rim. Those 3/4 knobs kinda have me skeptical on whether or not they'd take hard braking without ripping off but I guess it was designed and a DH all mountain tire... .
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    hmm, just noticed this tire. looks like a descent 29r tire if you get the EXO sidewall
    http://bike29.com/Maxxis-Ikon
    Maxxis Ikon EXO 29er "Long Term" Review

    Ardent review - doesn't get that good of review for sand over hard pack
    http://twentynineinches.com/2010/09/...-final-review/
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    Quote Originally Posted by vessel
    I am coming off back surgery and have been looking to ride a new build. The bike is a 26" FS Epic. I have installed UST Kenda/Nevegal 2.35 front and back with Stans and will primarily ride in Flagstaff. Any opinions on this setup?

    Thanks
    The Kenda's work very well out here in the hack of SoMo , I run the 2.5 nevegal in ft and the 2.3 nevegal in the rear, I run tubeless with stans and I am not using the U.S.T nevegal's and my wheels are not U.S.T either and this combo works reallt good at very low pressures .

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    Quote Originally Posted by vessel
    I am coming off back surgery and have been looking to ride a new build. The bike is a 26" FS Epic. I have installed UST Kenda/Nevegal 2.35 front and back with Stans and will primarily ride in Flagstaff. Any opinions on this setup?

    Thanks
    Didn't hold up for me in AZ on the rocks, that includes Flagstaff. They only lasted a few weeks before they were rendered useless due to the knobs being ripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem
    Didn't hold up for me in AZ on the rocks, that includes Flagstaff. They only lasted a few weeks before they were rendered useless due to the knobs being ripped off.
    could they maybe have been old/stale before you put them on? I haven't looked on my tires but some might have build dates on them. I know all car tires are required to have this. Low durometer rubber will loose it's oils and moisture to the air and age quickly, especially in Arizona. I'd only buy/order from an LBS or website that has continual orders for tires. Ordering new models will have less risk. Since the Kendas are popular, I'd think they wouldn't have too much risk but you never know I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berny2435
    hmm, just noticed this tire. looks like a descent 29r tire if you get the EXO sidewall
    http://bike29.com/Maxxis-Ikon
    Maxxis Ikon EXO 29er "Long Term" Review

    Ardent review - doesn't get that good of review for sand over hard pack
    http://twentynineinches.com/2010/09/...-final-review/
    The EXO Ikon is definitely in the works for my next rear tire! I asked at LBS for ordering one and they said retail is $82.00, which is getting a little stupid for a tire. This price is way better, thanks for posting!!

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    For those running Nevegals with Stans... Has anyone else had any issues with tire deterioration?

    Had been running the Kendas front and back on 823's for about 6 months. While the bike was just sitting in our storage room, I heard a loud pop. Found that the tire had shredded itself from bead to bead across the tread of the tire and left a large pool of sealant on the floor. Took it into my LBS to ask if they had ever seen that happen before and they hadn't. Shop questioned the inflation, but they had never been over 40lbs and didnt appear to have any other damage that could have weakened the tire itself.

    2 days later the same thing happened to the rear tire as well.

    After searching around found that Kenda, at some point, had a disclamer on their site against the use of Sealant in their tires. 'KENDA DOES NOT ENDORSE THE USE OF ANY FLUID BASED SEALANT PRODUCTS IN KENDA TUBE TYPE OR TUBELESS TYPE TIRES. USE OF ANY FLUID BASED PRODUCT IN KENDA TIRES WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY CLAIMS"

    Told my LBS to not bother trying to warranty them. Wouldnt ride them again if they were free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Descent 5.75
    For those running Nevegals with Stans... Has anyone else had any issues with tire deterioration?

    Had been running the Kendas front and back on 823's for about 6 months. While the bike was just sitting in our storage room, I heard a loud pop. Found that the tire had shredded itself from bead to bead across the tread of the tire and left a large pool of sealant on the floor. Took it into my LBS to ask if they had ever seen that happen before and they hadn't. Shop questioned the inflation, but they had never been over 40lbs and didnt appear to have any other damage that could have weakened the tire itself.

    2 days later the same thing happened to the rear tire as well.

    After searching around found that Kenda, at some point, had a disclamer on their site against the use of Sealant in their tires. 'KENDA DOES NOT ENDORSE THE USE OF ANY FLUID BASED SEALANT PRODUCTS IN KENDA TUBE TYPE OR TUBELESS TYPE TIRES. USE OF ANY FLUID BASED PRODUCT IN KENDA TIRES WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK AND WILL VOID ANY WARRANTY CLAIMS"

    Told my LBS to not bother trying to warranty them. Wouldnt ride them again if they were free.
    There are many tire manufactures that have a disclamer on the use of sealant's , Kenda is no different and still has the disclamer,
    The different uses of glycol , ethylene glycol, alcohol , latex and other chemicals in any sealant can and will deteriorate any tire product.

    This is just the way it is ,its been this way for many years

    I have never personally had any problems with my Kendas running sealant , when I ran Specialized tires I could see degrading of rubber , but not anything to terrible.

    I see many tires that use sealant and the Stans is actually not as bad as some of the home brews that guys try to make and use.

    If you had the same tires on your bike for six months they were gone from just sitting time alone .

    I generally will wear my tires out in 5 to 6 weeks .( we ride alot )

    I have seen tires just sitting on cars and bikes just come appart like that , the oils in the tires need to be kept moving and pushed through the rubber and not just sitting or any tire will come appart.
    You may have gotten some very old tires from somebodys old stock that were all ready timed out and should not have been sold to you.

    I would switch where you get your tires from in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by JrockFeltaz
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    This. ^

    I am currently trying out some Kenda's on my new rig, but I am missing my Minion/High Roller combo. =/
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    I looked for dates on my Maxxis Ignitors and I couldn't find them and then I looked on my Geax Sagauro and it was 0609 which is not cool cuz I bought them 2 months ago. I never would have bought it if I knew the mfg date was that old. Thankfully I only paid $20 I think from a moving sale that Tempe Bicycle was having off of Sdale rd.

    With car race quality tires which are pretty soft, if you buy something over one year old, you are buying a stale tire that wont perform as well as they should. With these type of tires, I'd think knobs will come off easier and liquids will permeate them quicker as you might have encountered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berny2435
    I looked for dates on my Maxxis Ignitors and I couldn't find them and then I looked on my Geax Sagauro and it was 0609 which is not cool cuz I bought them 2 months ago. I never would have bought it if I knew the mfg date was that old. Thankfully I only paid $20 I think from a moving sale that Tempe Bicycle was having off of Sdale rd.

    With car race quality tires which are pretty soft, if you buy something over one year old, you are buying a stale tire that wont perform as well as they should. With these type of tires, I'd think knobs will come off easier and liquids will permeate them quicker as you might have encountered.
    Could be, had never checked for an experation date on a tire before. But then again, had never had any issues to that point. Disclamer would be that, when I was searching the Nevegals, there were others who had similiar issues with other brands as well. Including Maxxis, which is what we have been running over the last 2 years with no issues at all.

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    Anyone running Kenda Small Block 8's? I currently have Nevegal up front and the Small Block 8 in the rear. 2.1 each at 40 psi and they seem to roll fast and hook up great for XC. I have been thinking about running the Small Block 8 on front in a 2.35.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    There are many tire manufactures that have a disclamer on the use of sealant's , Kenda is no different and still has the disclamer,
    The different uses of glycol , ethylene glycol, alcohol , latex and other chemicals in any sealant can and will deteriorate any tire product.

    This is just the way it is ,its been this way for many years

    I have never personally had any problems with my Kendas running sealant , when I ran Specialized tires I could see degrading of rubber , but not anything to terrible.

    I see many tires that use sealant and the Stans is actually not as bad as some of the home brews that guys try to make and use.

    If you had the same tires on your bike for six months they were gone from just sitting time alone .

    I generally will wear my tires out in 5 to 6 weeks .( we ride alot )

    I have seen tires just sitting on cars and bikes just come appart like that , the oils in the tires need to be kept moving and pushed through the rubber and not just sitting or any tire will come appart.
    You may have gotten some very old tires from somebodys old stock that were all ready timed out and should not have been sold to you.

    I would switch where you get your tires from in the future
    Definitely not going through tires as quickly as you. But from what your saying the experation date may not always be the best indicator as to when a tire should no longer be ridden on due to degredation. Understand that, like tread wear, these are factors, but if the tire is pretty much being canabalized from the start by the sealant. How long should the tire be lasting before switching it out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Descent 5.75
    Definitely not going through tires as quickly as you. But from what your saying the experation date may not always be the best indicator as to when a tire should no longer be ridden on due to degredation. Understand that, like tread wear, these are factors, but if the tire is pretty much being canabalized from the start by the sealant. How long should the tire be lasting before switching it out?
    If you get a tire that is already 1 year old or more when you get it you stand a good chance of having troubble with the carcus coming apart if it sits with pressure in it and not being used, ------with or without sealant. ( stans is the least of your problems )

    Fresh tires are good and stale tires are very bad.

    You are better off buying from faster moving tire sorces that a local shop that has had the same tires on the shelf for years .

    I have seen very old tires sitting for sale in shops , these should be avoided.

    Buy from the manufacture or mail order to get fresh tires .

    The sidewall and carcus gets beat out of a tire long before the tread is wore down , I hate the way a tire feels when the carcus gets beat down , If you ride hard and run low pressures the tire gets beat very quickly .

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    Wanted to give an update on the CST Caballero 2.25 that I'm running on the rear.

    I put it on in early Nov and all of the tread was gone by mid Jan. So ~9 weeks worth of riding which does not sound like much but.....

    The includes Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Years which equals me riding ~5 times a week and I have been going up National from 48th to Tellagraph back up tower road then back down National for most of those rides.

    All in all this tire held up very well. I hit may rocks that should have killed the sidewalls but hardly a scratch.

    So all in all I'm very happy with the tire so far. I'm on my second one in the rear now and it is about 1/2 wore out in ~ 2 months of riding. If they hold up in the heat I have found my new tire.

    Next is to try it up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA
    Anyone running Kenda Small Block 8's? I currently have Nevegal up front and the Small Block 8 in the rear. 2.1 each at 40 psi and they seem to roll fast and hook up great for XC. I have been thinking about running the Small Block 8 on front in a 2.35.
    I have gone to running the Small Block 8 on both front and rear, and have never looked back. They are not so great in mud, but we don't get a lot of that here!

    Mud aside, they do great on all the other terrain I have encountered in this great State.

    They roll fast, and hold well on the decomposed granite trails we have around Prescott. They grip like a gorilla on the red rock of Sedona too.....
    Getting out there one day at a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    If you get a tire that is already 1 year old or more when you get it you stand a good chance of having troubble with the carcus coming apart if it sits with pressure in it and not being used, ------with or without sealant. ( stans is the least of your problems )

    Fresh tires are good and stale tires are very bad.

    You are better off buying from faster moving tire sorces that a local shop that has had the same tires on the shelf for years .

    I have seen very old tires sitting for sale in shops , these should be avoided.

    Buy from the manufacture or mail order to get fresh tires .

    The sidewall and carcus gets beat out of a tire long before the tread is wore down , I hate the way a tire feels when the carcus gets beat down , If you ride hard and run low pressures the tire gets beat very quickly .
    Good info. Thank you

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    I run the CST Cheyenne 2.4 front and the CST Cabellero 2.25 rear, and the both hook up pretty good and wear well they work pretty good for the trails around the Prescott area
    Last edited by 918biker; 03-18-2011 at 03:23 AM.

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    WTB Dissent 2.35

    I have been running the WTB Dissent for about a month now, and it is working really well. It corners nicely, and the tire ran reversed in the rear seems to grab on everything really well, whether it be bare rock, or loose gravelly crap.

    It also seems to be wearing in a nice, even fashion, with the knobs not losing their square edges as they wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveOfPrescott
    I have gone to running the Small Block 8 on both front and rear, and have never looked back. They are not so great in mud, but we don't get a lot of that here!

    Mud aside, they do great on all the other terrain I have encountered in this great State.

    They roll fast, and hold well on the decomposed granite trails we have around Prescott. They grip like a gorilla on the red rock of Sedona too.....
    Yeah, I think I will try them out.

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