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    Arizona Specific Tires

    I know this is probably going to conjure up a million different opinions and disagreements, but I gotta ask...
    What kind of tires does everyone run for our AZ terrain, and what are the best?
    I'm talking rocky PMP type stuff AND the loose gravel at MMP or Cave Creek Rec area.
    I'm currently running tubes, so that might make a difference.
    Thanks for the input!

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    Love my Specialize captains. Seem great on "everythign"

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2ojunkie
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    For X-country: As recommended above, specialize captains are good, but subject to sidewall cuts (from rocks) on the rear due to more rider weight. A good, fast tire for the rear that doesn't seem to mind desert abuse is the Hutchinson python light. I use specialize captain control on front and Hutchinson python light on rear (running UST though), Pythons work great, but do wear out rather quickly. I run them until almost bald without issues.

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    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!


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    I have some Continental Trail King 2.4 that are awesome...Dominics has them for $26...cant beat em...

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    Thanks for the info!
    Zuk- At first I just looked at the photo and thought, "For $530, those tires better carry me up the hill and make me breakfast!"

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    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. I was running 2.1 Weirwolf's since around January until now, and I have never had a flat yet. The 2.3 is allot better in deep sand, very happy with the WTB line of tires. Opened the tires after running them 8 months, and had a huge Stan's booger in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillwilly
    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. I was running 2.1 Weirwolf's since around January until now, and I have never had a flat yet. The 2.3 is allot better in deep sand, very happy with the WTB line of tires. Opened the tires after running them 8 months, and had a huge Stan's booger in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.
    I have always been curious about those Weirwolfs. Pretty wide tread that looks like it would be super grabby on rocks and corners, yea? A few of my buddies have ran them but have never stuck with them. They look to be a little too soft in that they wear down pretty quick. Any truth to that?

    I really like my Specialized Eskars for what its worth. I believe they have been replaced though, with the Purgs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillwilly
    I'm running Weirwolf 2.3 TCS, tubeless w/motorcycle stems and 4 ounces Stan's Sealant in each tire. The 2.3 Weirwolf tires are kind of spendy, about $60 dollars each.
    I put a 2.1 Weirwolf on my front and love it so far. But, admittedly, I'm probably not good enough at riding to know any difference. I did buy a pair of 2.3s from Chainlove for $15 each so when my current set of tires are eaten up I'll go tubeless with the brand new tires.

    departmentofgoods.com still has 2.5 Weirwolf Race tires for $35. Don't know what the different flavors really mean, though: race, comp, downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by big0mike
    I put a 2.1 Weirwolf on my front and love it so far. But, admittedly, I'm probably not good enough at riding to know any difference. I did buy a pair of 2.3s from Chainlove for $15 each so when my current set of tires are eaten up I'll go tubeless with the brand new tires.

    departmentofgoods.com still has 2.5 Weirwolf Race tires for $35. Don't know what the different flavors really mean, though: race, comp, downhill...
    Dang, I wish they had 24 inch ones. I'd buy one right now. Still looking...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    I know this is probably going to conjure up a million different opinions and disagreements, but I gotta ask...
    What kind of tires does everyone run for our AZ terrain, and what are the best?
    I'm talking rocky PMP type stuff AND the loose gravel at MMP or Cave Creek Rec area.
    I'm currently running tubes, so that might make a difference.
    Thanks for the input!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zukicidal
    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!

    Must be the ones with the gold belts.
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    Just going to pop in a little dirty, science, info found in the really boring parts of discussions/blogs/scientific findings of tire technology-some from motorcycles here (which I learned as a racing tire distributor.)

    For starters, until one is confident on thier bike (whether new to the bike or new to riding) changing up tires or wondering what is best isn't really important yet. Save up the money for a good tune up or spring for some bling. Once you know how your bike and your particular riding style dictate the lines you are taking and how well you ride- then it is time to experiement, seek advice and learn some lessons. I am assuming you are already there as are most posters in this forum- thats just something I pass on to new folks I help into the sport.

    Hard terrain dictates hard knobs for best traction. Sound backwards? To many it does. People always think soft tires for more grip, just like on race cars and road bikes. Makes sense since our hardpack out here is nearly hard as pavement. But a soft knob rolls as force is applied to it. This roll on cement will roll to the edge until it breaks traction causing a squirm- NASCAR tires are smooth. No knob roll. Knob roll on loose stuff over hard means rolling off traction just when you are diggin for traction. A hard knob works best for the trails you describe and will work good pretty much anywhere for me.

    Tall knobs dig into the looser stuff better and some even say they claw onto rocks. The gravity set likes them because they do lots of hard braking on crappy trail (loose rock,sand, silt). Short knobs are great too as they grip nicely on hard terrain, are decent in shallow loose stuff and have less rolling resistance on flat terrain. They are lighter too due to having less rubber which matters on long climbs and short bursts of power.
    Technique plays huge into tire choice, bike style too. Body weight, running tubeless or not (not even getting into which is better because doing anything to tires besides riding on them sucks- whether its changing tubes or dealing with goo!) rim style makes a difference in tire choice as well. Follow some folks around who ride like you do and try what they run. Thats how I made my choice and I am hooked on Maxxis low knob tires like the Larsen TT Crossmark. I have a Bontrager on the front that I was going to replace when worn, but it still sticks after about 500 miles, so its still there. My turning technique allows me to run a knobbier tire unless I "blow" the line then its a handful.

    I really geek out on tire talk- sorry for the long post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cstem
    For starters, until one is confident on thier bike (whether new to the bike or new to riding) changing up tires or wondering what is best isn't really important yet. Save up the money for a good tune up or spring for some bling. Once you know how your bike and your particular riding style dictate the lines you are taking and how well you ride- then it is time to experiement, seek advice and learn some lessons. I am assuming you are already there as are most posters in this forum- thats just something I pass on to new folks I help into the sport.
    Thanks for the info! I feel I have just gotten to the point you speak of, to where I know my riding style and my machine. The guys at the LBS i go to recommended a small knob tire, the Bontrager XR1's (http://bontrager.com/model/07798), so I picked up one for the rear. I gotta say, after a few months of riding on it, I'm not really sold. I was out at MMP today and it was slipping out on a lot of the loose climbs. I never felt very confident in turns either. maybe a bigger knob is the way to go.

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    i've had great luck running these on my 4" travel 26"....i run 'em with slimed tubes.

    kenda nevegal in the front 2.35 ~38 psi
    kenda small block on the back 2.35 ~40 psi

    you would think that the small block wouldn't climb very well, but they are really hard to break loose on the back of a FS bike. they roll really fast, and i also feel like they brake pretty good and are really predicatable. i usually ride about a 15 mile out-n-back from my house to ringtail trailhead (MSP) and the small block eight is only 2 months old and it's almost gone (i'm 225 lbs)...but the 15 miles includes about 3 miles of asphalt.

    i've heard people crab about the sidewalks of the kendas, but I've had really good luck with mine.....i've nailed many, many rocks on the sidewalls and never had a pinch (knock, knock).

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    I had around 650 miles of trailriding, on my Weirwolf 2.1's and they still had some tread left on them. They are a soft tire, which work very well in the sand and hardpack, IMO. I like the Kenda Nevegal tires, I would be afraid to run them tubeless with 4 ounces of sealant. If Kenda makes them tubeless compatabile in the future, I would definitely consider running them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    Thanks for the info! I feel I have just gotten to the point you speak of, to where I know my riding style and my machine. The guys at the LBS i go to recommended a small knob tire, the Bontrager XR1's (http://bontrager.com/model/07798), so I picked up one for the rear. I gotta say, after a few months of riding on it, I'm not really sold. I was out at MMP today and it was slipping out on a lot of the loose climbs. I never felt very confident in turns either. maybe a bigger knob is the way to go.
    Other factors are tire pressure and sidewall construction. A small knob tire when inflated too much will handle pretty badly everywhere. Expirement and destroy!
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    I ride mostly XC stuff here in the Valley and prefer Kenda Small Block 8's for most everything. They are like Velcro and roll very fast.

    Some other good choices (IMHO):

    Kenda Nevagals
    Kenda Karma
    Maxxis Larsen TT
    Maxxis Aspen
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    Specialized Capt (front)
    Specialized Fast Track (rear)
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    I second the choice of captains on the front and fast tracks on the rear for most xc riding.

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    Anyone want a 24x2.60 Specialized Roller? It's too big for my Big Hit.

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    I second the choice of captains on the front and fast tracks on the rear for most xc riding.

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    Ok another bonehead question. A 26x2.3 or 2.3 will fit on a normal rim, just as a 2.1 would, right? All that really changes is the width of the tread, right? sorry for the noob question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bazooka_beard
    Ok another bonehead question. A 26x2.3 or 2.3 will fit on a normal rim, just as a 2.1 would, right? All that really changes is the width of the tread, right? sorry for the noob question.
    Yes.

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    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.


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    Best hard rubbered, cheap, moderate, good wearing tire I've ever run.... CST Cabellero. $12 to 13 each, run them tubeless with Stans, beat the crap out of them, predictable when they break loose. Available in 26" and 29" tires. Can't beat how they wear, and can't beat the price when you tear a sidewall, if you ever do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona
    Maxis minions with the thickest heaviest tubes and a pretty low pressure. Soft and sticky so super grippy. Not an ideal xc set up but damn good for shredding.
    Specialized resolution front/rear now with about 225 miles on them, next will be maxxis high roller semi slick for rear (already have) with undecided for front (been looking at minion and other maxxis).

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    my XC-ish setup:

    front- weirwolf 2.5 at ~25 psi
    rear- mutanoraptor turned around backwards (works much much better this way, floats instead of sinks in loose stuff) ~30psi

    run the 2.24 mutano if you are big and/or aggressive
    run the 2.4 mutano if you are light and/or smooth (the 2.24 is a beefier construction tire, but the 2.4 rolls better)

    tubeless of course
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    oh yeah watch chainlove- they've been selling mutanoraptors for $15 lately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson1417
    Love my Specialize captains. Seem great on "everythign"

    I'm running 29x2 Captain Control 2Bliss on my Hei Hei on the rear right now, in general I agree with your comment. However, I notice that descending Bell Pass the tire breaks and loses traction far sooner than the Bontrager ACX it replaced.
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    I am really liking the geax squaro's, I like the WTB wolverines too but they seem to be wearing out fast.
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    I'm riding Maxxis: Ignitor front and Larsen TT rear. Both have rock cuts and are booted multiple times.
    Hey everybody, ride my wheels! They ride good, real good.
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    looking for 29er suggestions

    I'm riding a HT Cannondale Caffeine w/ Lefty fork. Currently running a Geax Saguaro in the rear and Conti Mountain king 2.3 in the front. Both with Stans

    I've really liked the weirwolf on my FS 26 inch bike, but haven't been able to find a tubeless compatible 29" weirwolf...Any suggestions for something similar or does anyone know if WTB makes the Weirwolf for a 29er?

    I've been thinking about trying the Nevegal on the front... Had the Captain Control on in front previously, but didn't like how it seemed to slide out on loose turns. The Conti is ok, but not quite big enough volume...

    I mainly ride T100/PMP....

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjs
    I'm riding a HT Cannondale Caffeine w/ Lefty fork. Currently running a Geax Saguaro in the rear and Conti Mountain king 2.3 in the front. Both with Stans

    I've really liked the weirwolf on my FS 26 inch bike, but haven't been able to find a tubeless compatible 29" weirwolf...Any suggestions for something similar or does anyone know if WTB makes the Weirwolf or a 29er?

    I've been thinking about trying the Nevegal on the front... Had the Captain Control on in front previously, but didn't like how it seemed to slide out on loose turns. The Conti is ok, but not quite big enough volume...

    I mainly ride T100/PMP....

    Thanks.
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    Does anyone know if you can run the Weirwolf LT 29er (29x2.55) with Stans sealant? I've heard with the WTB tires that are not TCS there is a big risk of the bead blowing out...Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zukicidal
    I'm really loving my new Intense 909 tire on the front. Super tough sidewalls and sticky tread.

    I can't believe what I'm seeing at Jensen, I just got this tire for $50 at my LBS. Must be a misprint or something. Check out the prices!

    I know, I just some tires from Jenson. Screw buying $50-70 tires at bike shops. I wait until the prices drop, and then stock up. Whether or not they are the greatest tire in the world, I just got a killer deal on some Maxxis ardents and intense edge/909 tires, these things were not cheap to start with. I had my problems with the ultra cheap blowout kendas, but these have been pretty good to me the last few times I ordered em. When I can get 3+ tires for the price of one brand new tire, it's time to stop worrying about having the latest and greatest, at least for me. On the other hand, if you really need downhill traction, I have yet to find anything that matches a set of minions. It's just that with a tire that wears down that fast, I only get them if I really need them (for a race).

    Here's what works (for me).
    If you like smooth XC and skinny tires and you don't ride much rocky stuff or loose stuff, you can get away with some pretty narrow tires, but the desert always has a certain "looseness" to it, so some of the ultra-narrow/low tread stuff still doesn't work all that great.

    Some of the moderately skinny/wide tires with decent sidewalls also work well. These are around 2.2-2.3s, but beware, some of these are ultra-thin sidewall tires meant to keep weight down, and these are exactly the ones that do not work well in our more agressive terrain.

    When you get to 2.5ish, usually you are starting to get some decently beefy tires, but again beware of the "lightweight" ones. 600-700g is too light for a tire this wide, and it means you'll have a paper thin sidewall. 800-900g is usually decent, but not lighter.

    Honestly, I kind of go by the weight, but not to get the lightest tire ever (as explained above). When I start seeing 2.3-2.5 tires that weigh as much as 2.0-2.1 tires from 5-10 years ago, red flags start going off in my head. These are likely to be piss poor, they sucker you in with the promise of high volume and traction, but they let you down when the knobs rip off or more commonly (for me) the sidewall tears.
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    I've had good luck running 2.35 LUST maxxis highrollers front and rear.

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    Specialized Captain (front)
    Specialized Fast Track (rear).

    Slimed the front, and will be sliming the rear upon next flat.

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    I've been running a 2.35 Maxxis Igniter on the front and a 2.1 Kenda Small Block 8 on the rear, with tubes, of a 1999 Trek VRX 300. I bought the same set up UST for my 2011 Fuel EX 9.7.

    They are great out here and always a deal on Jenson.

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    Been running Geax Saguaro's UST for the past year on a 2010 Stumpjumper Comp 29er, probably have 1,000 miles on them and shopping to change it up. I tore the rear sidewall last weekend at MMP, other wise would have kept the rear a bit longer.

    I still have my Fast Trak S-Works that came with the bike, I still can not set them up tubless even with the DT Swiss revolvek (sp?) blue tape. Not sure if they still make the Saguaro UST, so looking for a UST tire to run tubless on my DT Swiss 450's.

    Well see.......

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    Check out the Captain series from Specialized. My buddy runs those, and loves them. I've run Captains with tubes, and they are hard to beat.

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    Does anyone know if you can run the Weirwolf LT 29er (29x2.55) with Stans sealant? I've heard with the WTB tires that are not TCS there is a big risk of the bead blowing out...Any thoughts?
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mb300
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
    Good to know as I have a pair of Weirwolfs awaiting a ghetto application

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjkm
    Not sure if they still make the Saguaro UST, so looking for a UST tire to run tubless on my DT Swiss 450's.
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    Slippery Pig still has the Saguaro UST, just picked up a pair last week.

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    Continenal Trail King (rubber queen) front 2.4
    Continental Mountain king 2.4 rear

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb300
    I haven't specifically tried the 29" version, but I've run many different WTB tires ghetto tubeless with no problems. Mutanoraptors, nanoraptors, motoraptors, dissents, prowlers, weirwolfs, all no problems running ghetto (using a 20" bmx rim strip)
    Ditto here. Running MotoRaptors with 20" BMX tube plus Stan's on Mavic EN321 and XM317 rims here and so far so good. I too read they don't work well but am very glad I tried anyway.
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    Since this is the first time I'm trying this tire I cannot say if it is any good but....

    I just installed a wire bead CST Caballero ($11.99 each) on a D4.2 rim ghetto with gorilla tape and Stan's. It inflated without any soap and sealed up without any problmes.

    I'm heading out to National today for the first trail time with it.

    I will update again after I have ridden them for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heat
    Slippery Pig still has the Saguaro UST, just picked up a pair last week.
    29 or 26? Can only find 26 online. Looking for the 29........

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