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    Anyone here a Vegetarian or Vegan?

    Just curious...

    Serious question, will not flame responses, or call said responders g@y. Promise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    Just curious...

    Serious question, will not flame responses, or call said responders g@y. Promise.
    Years back, when I was racing raod with the U of A, I was a vegetarian for about 2 years and close to, but not quite, a vegan. Small amounts of fish and fowl now and then, no cheese, dairy, ect. It sucked, was hard and I never liked it, but I felt great.

    I am looking to drop 20 pounds of lard from my body these days. Planning to get back to my modified Zone regime. Spending $100 on giant sushi rolls with Skinny-Tire ain't the way
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    Did I mention I was a U of A Wildspoke (cycling team/club). Anyone else from the team from 1989 - 1992 out there?
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    Well thanks for hijacking the thread....

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    It sucked, was hard and I never liked it, but I felt great.
    I've heard both sides of the argument, either people love it or hate it...doesn't seem to be much middle ground.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I am looking to drop 20 pounds of lard from my body these days.
    Who isn't? I've picked up 30lbs since April.....WTF? When, where, why, how?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Did I mention I was a U of A Wildspoke (cycling team/club). Anyone else from the team from 1989 - 1992 out there?
    Threadjacker!

    *counting the seconds until some one says "pot calling the kettle black"*

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    been mostly vegitarian for 6 years now. Sometimes I fall of the edge, but usually I roam the grass just south of vegan. Cheese and chocolate being my weakness, that keeps me from total vegan.

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    Definitely not me.

    Man, I couldnt go 2 days without meat And I am already skinny as it is, hehe..

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    vegetarian, sort of. i still eat dairy products and eggs. no animal flesh since 1985. i still managed to put on 10lbs. this summer( time to step up the exercise and eat less dairy). i do this for spiritual reasons.

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    Ex-vegetarian who currently cohabitants with one (which means I'm one when we cook in). Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skinny-tire
    Ex-vegetarian who currently cohabitants with one (which means I'm one when we cook in). Why?
    My spouse is a fishy, eggy, cheesy vegetarian (no meat) too. Cohabitating sucks on its own, but when there is no meat in the house, my god man. Well, sometimes there is meat, but not often. My first kid did not eat meat for her first two years. When she got old enough to understand that I was eating it, she asked for it and got it. You asked for it - you got it - Kobe Beef.

    Hey Riggse, sorry I hijacked your vegan thread. Yea right. You said you were not going to flame responses, but did not limit your pledge to only for responses that are on point. Here is a flame for you. Why the hell are you asking this question (the are you a vegan thing)?

    If you are trying to lose weight, here is what I did this last time. First, I promised myself that if I lost 50 pounds I would buy the bike of my dreams (yes, after lawschool, marriage, ect., I ballooned from 165 to 230 over 10 years). Second, I did the Zone diet, slightly modified. It is not a low carb diet, but was hard to get a grip on at first, very hard. Ultimately, it just resulted in better eating habits. I am not sure if the Zone concept really has much merit, but the better eating habits sure does. I lost the 50 and got me a 5-Spot. If I ride enough, I can eat whatever I want and not gain weight. I am at 185-190 (6 feet even) now and want to lose another 20, but it is damn hard at this point and I will really need to kick up the riding and cut down on the bad eating.
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    Me: no mammal. Chicken, fish, egg, cheese are all in my diet. I was radically more veggie when Susan was still alive (i.e. a chicken breast every couple months), but I've actually dropped weight since adding more animal protein back into my diet (and backing pasta and bread out of it).

    Highest respect for the athletes who have figured out veganism that doesn't make them sick or interfere with their performance.

    Favorite part of vegetarianism (or any self-imposed food limitations): When people a) try to tear down the logic of your decision, i.e. "if you don't eat meat, why do you wear leather belts?", b) ask if it's for health or moral reasons (usually with an eye on gathering ammo for "a" above), and c) explain that "I really don't eat much meat...maybe just a hamburger once in a while...and sausage with breakfast, and French onion soup, and..." yadda yadda.

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    An infamous quote from a rival for the affections of my then girlfriend (now wife) - before she went off the market - to my quadruple by-passed, ultra conservative father-in-law (may he RIP): "Jaime - you should have her date me - I'll make sure she has steak every day!"

    In honour of his memory I endeavour to eat a ribeye or filet per week. Pregnancy sucks these days because pretty much any shell/fish is off the menu due to the amount of contaminants in the fishing grounds and the chemicals in the farmed stuff.

    And, to keep this post on topic, not I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Me: no mammal. Chicken, fish, egg, cheese are all in my diet. I was radically more veggie when Susan was still alive (i.e. a chicken breast every couple months), but I've actually dropped weight since adding more animal protein back into my diet (and backing pasta and bread out of it).

    Highest respect for the athletes who have figured out veganism that doesn't make them sick or interfere with their performance.

    Favorite part of vegetarianism (or any self-imposed food limitations): When people a) try to tear down the logic of your decision, i.e. "if you don't eat meat, why do you wear leather belts?", b) ask if it's for health or moral reasons (usually with an eye on gathering ammo for "a" above), and c) explain that "I really don't eat much meat...maybe just a hamburger once in a while...and sausage with breakfast, and French onion soup, and..." yadda yadda.

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    I would still like some answers to some of these questions, so here goes:

    a) Do you wear leather, and if so, do you use whips?
    b) Why no mammals?
    c) Do you eat turkey, duck, quail, ect?
    d) What is the air speed of a swallow?
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    Look who's getting mouthy....

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Hey Riggse, sorry I hijacked your vegan thread. Yea right. You said you were not going to flame responses, but did not limit your pledge to only for responses that are on point. Here is a flame for you. Why the hell are you asking this question (the are you a vegan thing)?
    Just curious that's all. Are vegans now reduced to mere "things"?

    I personally don't agree that eating chicken/fish/seafood is TRULY vegetarian, but it's not my place to judge others. Anything that cuts out red meat is better than nothing, and I just wanted to see what this group had to say on the subject. You all seem fairly healthy and well informed...

    I personally lost about 50lbs on the Atkins diet about 3 years ago, and have gone up down up down up since then. I think you hit the nail on the head dirdir - more exercise, less junk is the key.

    Paul, I agree with the assesment of the hipocrites...but not everyone that goes vegan/vegetarian is doing it to save the animals. I wouldn't want to wear a plastic belt if I didn't have to.

    So anymore comments on the subject are certainly welcome, I'm enjoying everyone's take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I would still like some answers to some of these questions, so here goes:

    a) Do you wear leather, and if so, do you use whips?
    b) Why no mammals?
    c) Do you eat turkey, duck, quail, ect?
    d) What is the air speed of a swallow?
    A) Don't wear leather except for shoes and belts. Wouldn't want a jacket, and I'd probably scare myself in leather pants. No on the whip, yes on riding crop. Sometimes discipline is necessary.

    B) "No mammals" was my halfway measure for my ex, who was an extreme hardcore vegan. Now I won't eat anything that's warm and fuzzy. I also really like what it did for my health: easy weight loss, lower cholesterol, blood pressure, etc.

    C) Should have clarified that all birds are on the menu.

    D) African or European (of course)? Laden or not?

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    More of a jack vegitarian - wife won't eat mamal and doesn't eat chicken/fish much so we eat alot of soy, grains, greens, dairy which I usually prefer but a good steak or some bruats now and then never did hurt noone - excpt of course the animal. We used to eat more fish but I'm a little more leery these days due to contaminants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriB
    More of a jack vegitarian - wife won't eat mamal and doesn't eat chicken/fish much so we eat alot of soy, grains, greens, dairy which I usually prefer but a good steak or some bruats now and then never did hurt noone - excpt of course the animal. We used to eat more fish but I'm a little more leery these days due to contaminants.
    I'd be more leery of the contaminants in your meats then your fish. Some farming practices leave much if anything to be desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    Just curious that's all. Are vegans now reduced to mere "things"?

    I personally don't agree that eating chicken/fish/seafood is TRULY vegetarian, but it's not my place to judge others. Anything that cuts out red meat is better than nothing, and I just wanted to see what this group had to say on the subject. You all seem fairly healthy and well informed...

    I personally lost about 50lbs on the Atkins diet about 3 years ago, and have gone up down up down up since then. I think you hit the nail on the head dirdir - more exercise, less junk is the key.

    Paul, I agree with the assesment of the hipocrites...but not everyone that goes vegan/vegetarian is doing it to save the animals. I wouldn't want to wear a plastic belt if I didn't have to.

    So anymore comments on the subject are certainly welcome, I'm enjoying everyone's take on it.

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    If a person is a 'vegetarian' who eats chicken they are not a vegetarian - Simple as that. With fish its more of a grey area but generally I think a Vegetarian is a person who consumes no animal or fish except sometimes milk or eggs if they are a profess to be a Lacto-ovo vegetarian.
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    100% veggie head + diet advice

    My wife (wickedlibrarian) and I are both 100% vegetarian for seven years now, and we both ride. There are many good reasons to go vegan, but I LOVE cheese, ice cream and milk chocolate too much to go there, but I get close sometimes. As long as I get my dairy and eggs from organic/free range sources I don't feel too bad about it.

    Being vegetarian I can ride by the overcrowded and dying woods in Flagstaff and the thrashed P-J in Sedona and know that I'm not supporting the industry that's done the more damage to the West then all other industries combined (cattle).

    So I am mostly vegetarian for environmental reasons (don't even get me started on factory farming), but also health reasons (bovine growth hormone anyone?), and to a lesser extent, animal welfare reasons (don't even get me started on factory farming). Basically I feel like we each need to have a smaller impact on the environment, and use less resources and being vegetarian is the best way to do that.

    I do wear a leather belt because I bought it before I was a vegetarian and it's still good so why get rid of it? I also wear leather shoes only because it's impossible to find a decent pair of shoes that aren't made out of leather (but if you know of any super-wide riding shoe or hiking boots that aren't made out of leather, let me know).


    As for loosing weight it's all about a healthy diet. Going vegetarian isn't necessarily any healtiher then a omnivorous diet. Lets not forget ice cream is vegetarian as are most fatty deserts and there are a fair number of fatty vegan things. I know a fair number of vegetarians with bad diets (sometimes known as mac and cheese vegetarians) that are fat, and I even know a couple obese vegans!

    My advice, I lost 20 pounds in 2002 and 20 more in 2003 and have kept it off and am healithier then I've ever been (at 27 years old and 145 lbs). I have two bits of advice.

    #1 Eat healthy. Simply try to make half of what you eat fruits and veggies. No processed grains, only whole grains. Go with low-fat dairy, and if you choose, meats. High calorie/fat treats like ice cream are OK if only eaten rarely, like once a week. Make it a special treat.

    #2 Ride. Ride a lot, ride to work, ride on the weekends, weekdays and holidays. If you get sick of riding, find some other sports you like and just stay active.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor!
    If a person is a 'vegetarian' who eats chicken they are not a vegetarian - Simple as that. With fish its more of a grey area but generally I think a Vegetarian is a person who consumes no animal or fish except sometimes milk or eggs if they are a profess to be a Lacto-ovo vegetarian.
    Although not a "true" vegetarian, the classification is a "pollo vegetarian" if they eat chicken, and a "pollo/pesco vegetarian" if they eat chicken and fish. But agreed, I don't think that's really vegetarianism, more like an aversion to red meat.

    But again, I'm not judging anyone else's program...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevor!
    I'd be more leery of the contaminants in your meats then your fish. Some farming practices leave much if anything to be desired.
    True which is why I usually get organic beef and chicken. The little one also eats orgainc dairy.

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    Shouldn't this whole string be in the Men's Health forum, or something?

    Just eat everything in moderation and use common sense (then again, most people don't have any common sense).

    Back to MTB-ing....

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    You had to go and do it, didn't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FishMan473
    I do wear a leather belt because I bought it before I was a vegetarian and it's still good so why get rid of it? I also wear leather shoes only because it's impossible to find a decent pair of shoes that aren't made out of leather (but if you know of any super-wide riding shoe or hiking boots that aren't made out of leather, let me know).
    I may be wrong, but I thought most modern cycling shoes were made out of that fake leather stuff plus nylon or something mesh. Lorica is something that comes to mind. I do know that my Specialized shoes have barely stretched unlike leather normally does. Sidi makes a wide Lorica shoe I think.
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    You can be more creative than that - it was used in another thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    You can be more creative than that - it was used in another thread!
    It's mine, and I'm the one that used it previously, and reserve the right to use it to describe anyone I deem worthy of it. Today was your turn....seriously man, we were having a nice OT discussion, and if you have nothing to contribute, then don't read it.

    It's not like it was a dishonest & stupid title, like "George W. Bush is the best thing ever!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    Just curious that's all. Are vegans now reduced to mere "things"?

    I personally don't agree that eating chicken/fish/seafood is TRULY vegetarian, but it's not my place to judge others. Anything that cuts out red meat is better than nothing, and I just wanted to see what this group had to say on the subject. You all seem fairly healthy and well informed...

    I personally lost about 50lbs on the Atkins diet about 3 years ago, and have gone up down up down up since then. I think you hit the nail on the head dirdir - more exercise, less junk is the key.

    Paul, I agree with the assesment of the hipocrites...but not everyone that goes vegan/vegetarian is doing it to save the animals. I wouldn't want to wear a plastic belt if I didn't have to.

    So anymore comments on the subject are certainly welcome, I'm enjoying everyone's take on it.

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    Riggse, are you my parallel universe, ala Star Trek Mirror-Mirror episode, self, or am I yours? Lets see. We both like controversy. We both have lost 50 pounds. We both like Goodfellas. Only question is, how did you get here, Ion storm or vegan combustion?

    Is this you? http://www.trek5.com/caps/tos/39_MM/pages/39_MM-020.htm (the evil parallel Mr. Spock), because several people will tell you that it looks just like me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Shouldn't this whole string be in the Men's Health forum, or something?

    Just eat everything in moderation and use common sense (then again, most people don't have any common sense).

    Back to MTB-ing....
    Just to be clear, when you say "common sense" what you actually mean is "stuff I already believe in". Or am I not reading that right?

    There are many compelling arguments (health, environment, politics, others) in favor of modifying your diet in ways that might not be common-sensical to you. Do some research before dismissing them.

    Not surprising, coming from someone with "Go Dubya!" in their profile.

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    Rebuke accepted...

    Now don't go picking on George W., though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Rebuke accepted...

    Now don't go picking on George W., though...
    Fair enough. And I was being provocative; thanks for taking it in the right spirit. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Just to be clear, when you say "common sense" what you actually mean is "stuff I already believe in". Or am I not reading that right?

    There are many compelling arguments (health, environment, politics, others) in favor of modifying your diet in ways that might not be common-sensical to you. Do some research before dismissing them.

    Not surprising, coming from someone with "Go Dubya!" in their profile.

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    goddammit Paul that was well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Riggse, are you my parallel universe, ala Star Trek Mirror-Mirror episode, self, or am I yours? Lets see. We both like controversy. We both have lost 50 pounds. We both like Goodfellas. Only question is, how did you get here, Ion storm or vegan combustion?

    Is this you? http://www.trek5.com/caps/tos/39_MM/pages/39_MM-020.htm (the evil parallel Mr. Spock), because several people will tell you that it looks just like me.
    That Star Trek stuff is lost on me....but that's a great picture of you, now I know what to look out for!

    Just think of me as Stiffler's little brother in American Pie 2...and you can be Stiffler...now that I can grasp...
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    Here Walt, just for you....

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    That Star Trek stuff is lost on me....but that's a great picture of you, now I know what to look out for!

    Just think of me as Stiffler's little brother in American Pie 2...and you can be Stiffler...now that I can grasp...
    Does anyone know if Spock was a vegan? If you know, you are a freaking vegan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Does anyone know if Spock was a vegan? If you know, you are a freaking vegan.

    No, I think you would be a "Trekkie" if you knew that much about Spock...he's not listed as a "famous" vegan...

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    Quote Originally Posted by waltaz
    Shouldn't this whole string be in the Men's Health forum, or something?

    Just eat everything in moderation and use common sense (then again, most people don't have any common sense).

    Back to MTB-ing....
    hmm..mens health forum...where do i fit in there? i may not post much, but jeez...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Just to be clear, when you say "common sense" what you actually mean is "stuff I already believe in". Or am I not reading that right?

    There are many compelling arguments (health, environment, politics, others) in favor of modifying your diet in ways that might not be common-sensical to you. Do some research before dismissing them.

    Not surprising, coming from someone with "Go Dubya!" in their profile.

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    my favorite b.s. rhetoric tactics. Analogs are: "Everyone knows that..." which is a slightly more modern version of "All right-thinking people believe that...", which is iteself a more modern version of "Recant or we'll burn you"...

    Anyway, what's wrong with having Go Dubya in your message? I've changed mine so it contains those words.

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    low s/n ratio comment

    would that make him a vegan vulcan, or a vulcan vegan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by butocabra
    would that make him a vegan vulcan, or a vulcan vegan?
    i don't know...knew it wouldn't be long before you chimed in with "WTF riggse?? Vegetarianism?"

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    Well, one could always use the argument that, "If God wanted vegetarians, why did he make cows out of meat?"

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    Vulcans are vegetarians. They do not like to touch their food with their hands, preferring to use utensils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I may be wrong, but I thought most modern cycling shoes were made out of that fake leather stuff plus nylon or something mesh. Lorica is something that comes to mind. I do know that my Specialized shoes have barely stretched unlike leather normally does. Sidi makes a wide Lorica shoe I think.
    no crap I thought Lorica was just a type of leather! Sweet! I currently run the Dominator Mega's. Now if you know of some shoes about a centimeter wider then that, let me know.

    I feel much better about my cycling shoes now. Now, lets work on hiking boots.
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    Yep, been vegetarian for 13 years now. I don't eat meat, fish, or poultry. Foods containing dairy & eggs are ok.

    Between being veggie and not consuming beverages with -OH functional groups, I get a lot of comments. Doesn't faze me though. I never understand why some are so dang interested in what I don't consume. Besides, it leaves more for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Vulcans are vegetarians. They do not like to touch their food with their hands, preferring to use utensils.
    Oh dear.



    I'm just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Oh dear.



    I'm just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    Although not a "true" vegetarian, the classification is a "pollo vegetarian" if they eat chicken, and a "pollo/pesco vegetarian" if they eat chicken and fish. .
    You learn something new everyday.

    Being a Pollo vegetarian is quite a funny concept to me and would be like (If you know french) being a Viande vegetarian or a teetotaler who professes to only drink red wine.

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    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles. This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles.
    I agree with you about this thread being crap, but blame Riggse for most of it. I am only going to take a wee bit of the credit. Way to go Riggse. I come here to get attention, whether it be positive or negative. I don't really care if it is bike related stuff, but there are a lot of people here that know each other (from internet contact alone, or meetings in person), or that have ridden together that like to talk about crap all day. All these people like bikes.

    This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.
    1. I eat most foods, see above.
    2. Bowel movements generally in a.m. before work.
    3. Never killed a rodent.
    4. I wear a DD bra, Nordstrom's.
    5. I own a Honda Minivan and a Jeep Cherokee.
    6. White.
    7. Goodfellas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles. This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.
    Agree 100%
    If I remember right, Riggse came from out of town and since he has been in this forum, there has been some ridiculus post and comments by him. Yo riggse, get off the short bus and ride your damn bike. I get tired of trying to fulfill my passion while I sit behind this computer all day, then have some Jacka** who tryies to rip on people or starts posts so he can get all worked up. Let's save the space for people who enjoy riding and talking about it....get a life bro!!! (or maybe get promoted and move somewhere else) peace...

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles. This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.
    Well, based on the reaction that I got for touching on this point in a fairly innocuous post, it will be interesting to see what this leads to...

    BTW:
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    - you don't really want to know
    - no more than a few, all by accident or with a mousetrap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Shiite, can't a guy like Star Trek without being branded a geek Trekie? Look, lets face it, any fan of Sci-Fi/Fantasy has to admit that Star Trek rocks, or at least was interesting. Well at least the episode about the dueling half white/half black guys. Paul, you should know and appreciate good fiction.
    Oh, absolutely. That was more in the Shatner "get a life!" vein than some kind of personal condemnation. You'll never meet a bigger sf/fantasy/gamer geek than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    Agree 100%
    If I remember right, Riggse came from out of town and since he has been in this forum, there has been some ridiculus post and comments by him. Yo riggse, get off the short bus and ride your damn bike. I get tired of trying to fulfill my passion while I sit behind this computer all day, then have some Jacka** who tryies to rip on people or starts posts so he can get all worked up. Let's save the space for people who enjoy riding and talking about it....get a life bro!!! (or maybe get promoted and move somewhere else) peace...
    Bike Related Part: I like bikes. I ride bikes. Do you guys like bikes? My favorite trail is the dirt road up my a$$. Please do not waste internet resources and precious band width on non-biking topics. I know none of you and have never used or discussed bikes with any of you. The Arizona fourm is not a community of friends and loved ones that like bikes, we are a bunch of anus heads taking over band width from the real bikers. Bikers are not health conscious and our diets have no merit. As Mr. Spock has said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Ok, please kill me now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles. This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.
    Excellent! My orbital mind control laser is finally up and running. Thank you for being my first victim, I mean target, and so sorry you were forced to read this unentertaining thread.

    I have to ask you about the experience now, strictly for scientific research purposes: did you experience a light tingling at the back of the head when I used my orbital mind control laser on you, or was it more of a burning sensation behind the eyes? Because I've gotten feedback on both and frankly it's a bit confusing.

    Was there a rash of any kind? Swelling?

    Apparently, at the very least, it made your underwear shrink two sizes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Oh, absolutely. That was more in the Shatner "get a life!" vein than some kind of personal condemnation. You'll never meet a bigger sf/fantasy/gamer geek than me.

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    Ah shucks, I handle personal condemnations better than Shatner "get a life" references. I was about to condemn you as one of those D&D freaks? But since you like Jack Vance, I must refrain. I am not sure which group I would rather be stuck on an island with. Trekie geeks, D&D freaks or mountain bike vegans that use whips and/or riding crops no matter the stated purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    sunday?
    Nah, owe the wife and kid some family time, the trees some pruning, and I've got some baking to do for halloween.

    Thanks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Excellent! My orbital mind control laser is finally up and running. Thank you for being my first victim, I mean target, and so sorry you were forced to read this unentertaining thread.

    I have to ask you about the experience now, strictly for scientific research purposes: did you experience a light tingling at the back of the head when I used my orbital mind control laser on you, or was it more of a burning sensation behind the eyes? Because I've gotten feedback on both and frankly it's a bit confusing.

    Was there a rash of any kind? Swelling?

    Apparently, at the very least, it made your underwear shrink two sizes.

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    Aha, a professional science fiction writer at work. Awesome.

    On second thought, maybe I was forced to make such a nice comment (and it was meant to be complimentary) because of his mind control laser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I am not sure which group I would rather be stuck on an island with. Trekie geeks, D&D freaks or mountain bike vegans that use whips and/or riding crops no matter the stated purpose.
    You could have all three if it was me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    You could have all three if it was me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    Excellent! My orbital mind control laser is finally up and running. Thank you for being my first victim, I mean target, and so sorry you were forced to read this unentertaining thread.

    I have to ask you about the experience now, strictly for scientific research purposes: did you experience a light tingling at the back of the head when I used my orbital mind control laser on you, or was it more of a burning sensation behind the eyes? Because I've gotten feedback on both and frankly it's a bit confusing.

    Was there a rash of any kind? Swelling?

    Apparently, at the very least, it made your underwear shrink two sizes.

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    What the hell are you talking about? It is obvious to everyone that your brand of humor is just below that of bathroom humor at a Hindu grammar school in the West Indies. An apparent attempt by yourself to get a reaction from those who just don't care. Frankly, any scientific experiments preformed by you tend to be a bit sexual in nature - on the questionable "alternative" side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Bike Related Part: I like bikes. I ride bikes. Do you guys like bikes? My favorite trail is the dirt road up my a$$. Please do not waste internet resources and precious band width on non-biking topics. I know none of you and have never used or discussed bikes with any of you. The Arizona fourm is not a community of friends and loved ones that like bikes, we are a bunch of anus heads taking over band width from the real bikers. Bikers are not health conscious and our diets have no merit. As Mr. Spock has said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Ok, please kill me now.
    Well, I suppose it is easy enough to see where a post is going. A person can easily stop where he finds the post to be irrelevant to bicycling and move on. It easy to see this group is all buds and enjoy using this forum for anything related to anything, which is fine I suppose. We (my buds) use a listserve (to each his own). Sorry to start the mud slinging.
    I just like to read about bikes, see bike porn etc. I know this post started as a health related question and ended up where it is, oh well-kinda sorry i got involed now.

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    New Vegetarian Restaurant on Scottsdale Road

    Has anyone eaten there I've past it a few times and it always looks empty.I think it's called Veggie Fun or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    What the hell are you talking about? It is obvious to everyone that your brand of humor is just below that of bathroom humor at a Hindu grammar school in the West Indies. An apparent attempt by yourself to get a reaction from those who just don't care. Frankly, any scientific experiments preformed by you tend to be a bit sexual in nature - on the questionable "alternative" side.

    I'm sorry, we didn't realize it was your internet, your web site, and your forum. In the future we'll let you start all the posts, and we'll get you to approve all our responses as 100% on topic and bike related.

    I can see where your confusion comes from when reading this thread as well, I too would assume that a thread titled "Anyone here a vegetarian or vegan" would be about biking in Arizona, and would be upset if it wasn't.

    btw, Cluetrain leaves at noon, try and catch it this time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butocabra
    I'm sorry, we didn't realize it was your internet, your web site, and your forum. In the future we'll let you start all the posts, and we'll get you to approve all our responses as 100% on topic and bike related.

    I can see where your confusion comes from when reading this thread as well, I too would assume that a thread titled "Anyone here a vegetarian or vegan" would be about biking in Arizona, and would be upset if it wasn't.

    btw, Cluetrain leaves at noon, try and catch it this time around.
    Your sense of humor is a little lacking. You KNOW what time the Cluetrain leaves??

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    Your sense of humor is a little lacking. You KNOW what time the Cluetrain leaves??
    I can see you've missed the point.

    1. Not every post on this board is going to make you happy.
    2. Not every post on this board is going to be bike related.
    3. No one (not even PaulB with his mind control laser) is making you read this or any other thread.
    4. It's not your job to censor the internet. If you don't care about this thread, don't read it.

    (that banal enough for ya?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by butocabra
    I can see you've missed the point.

    1. Not every post on this board is going to make you happy.
    2. Not every post on this board is going to be bike related.
    3. No one (not even PaulB with his mind control laser) is making you read this or any other thread.
    4. It's not your job to censor the internet. If you don't care about this thread, don't read it.

    (that banal enough for ya?)
    No, really, put humor in your responses. I can see that you are irritated by me. I can sense that you fail to read the whole set of responses related to this post. I feel as though you need to read these responses in a light mood. Perhaps a beer, a glass of wine, a cigar or a galss of water will relax you. Sorry to offend you. I post only in jest.

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    If God didn't want us to eat animals he would'nt have made them out of meat!

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    Man, it seems that a lot of people take message boards waaaaaayyy too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    No, really, put humor in your responses. I can see that you are irritated by me. I can sense that you fail to read the whole set of responses related to this post. I feel as though you need to read these responses in a light mood. Perhaps a beer, a glass of wine, a cigar or a galss of water will relax you. Sorry to offend you. I post only in jest.
    OK, I see it now.
    I seem to have taken your original post too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I just come here for the bike related conversation. Specifically, you know, trails and rides. I fail to see how this crap is related to me enjoying all my bicycles. This thread is worse than the Supergo thread of a few weeks ago. People who start threads like this should be banned from riding a bike unless they detail what they are eating, when their bowel movements are, how many rodents they have killed, what kind of bra they wear, how many cars they own, what kind of paper they write on and what film they are going to see at the Valley Art.
    You didn't have to open the thread you know, since you came spcifically for, you know, the talk about trails and rides.

    Such discussion is relevant to trails and riding in some round about way.

    Don't take the boards so seriously, and appreciate people do enjoy talking about things other than just trails and rides.

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    I am not sure if it is taking it too seriously, it is more that these forums always head the wrong directionn lately. It is like the crap that riggse always throws in, like this time about Massengil,what is that for. I just get sick of subjects vering off into nothing. Riggse has to start forums that he will not refer to gays...what is up with that. Understood it is a public forum....there is definetely bike related issues concerning eating habits and I enjoy hearing about them...just finally let other peoples miniscule comments get to me and had to jump in with Yeti. Can we move on back to bikes. Word Oh ya J-dub is gonna get slung at the Soul Ride,,hehe(punk-arse)

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    Well, I suppose it is easy enough to see where a post is going. A person can easily stop where he finds the post to be irrelevant to bicycling and move on. It easy to see this group is all buds and enjoy using this forum for anything related to anything, which is fine I suppose. We (my buds) use a listserve (to each his own). Sorry to start the mud slinging.
    I just like to read about bikes, see bike porn etc. I know this post started as a health related question and ended up where it is, oh well-kinda sorry i got involed now.
    The forum should be open to any topic, bike or non-bike related. I think the AZ forum is different than many other forums in that many of us have ridden together and/or are likely to eventually run into each after communicating herein. Communication between "friends" who like bikes is in essence bike related even if the subject is not. Moreover, even if there was no nexus between bikes and a thread, so what. The purpose of this place, this forum, is entertainment, education, harrassment, finger fidgeting, sexual pleasure, ect. I just don't tap into the "waste of my time" and "taking up band width" arguments.

    I do agree that because some of us know each other, the posts can tend to get cliquish, but I love being part of an oligarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    I am not sure if it is taking it too seriously, it is more that these forums always head the wrong directionn lately. It is like the crap that riggse always throws in, like this time about Massengil,what is that for. I just get sick of subjects vering off into nothing. Riggse has to start forums that he will not refer to gays...what is up with that. Understood it is a public forum....there is definetely bike related issues concerning eating habits and I enjoy hearing about them...just finally let other peoples miniscule comments get to me and had to jump in with Yeti. Can we move on back to bikes. Word Oh ya J-dub is gonna get slung at the Soul Ride,,hehe(punk-arse)

    I guess I rest my case then. You misconstrued my comment. It was really aimed at dirdir and paulb, 'cause they always seem to bicker..... I am all for keeping the forums related to MTB's, and these forums get out of hand and I really couldn't care less about vegetarianism. Take out of it what you want and run with it man, it's your prerogative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    I am not sure if it is taking it too seriously, it is more that these forums always head the wrong directionn lately. It is like the crap that riggse always throws in, like this time about Massengil,what is that for. I just get sick of subjects vering off into nothing. Riggse has to start forums that he will not refer to gays...what is up with that. Understood it is a public forum....there is definetely bike related issues concerning eating habits and I enjoy hearing about them...just finally let other peoples miniscule comments get to me and had to jump in with Yeti. Can we move on back to bikes. Word Oh ya J-dub is gonna get slung at the Soul Ride,,hehe(punk-arse)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdub347
    I guess I rest my case then. You misconstrued my comment. It was really aimed at dirdir and paulb, 'cause they always seem to bicker..... I am all for keeping the forums related to MTB's, and these forums get out of hand and I really couldn't care less about vegetarianism. Take out of it what you want and run with it man, it's your prerogative.
    Wait...you're kidding. You're not kidding. You're kidding. Hell, I can't tell any more.

    You must be kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scanjok
    I am not sure if it is taking it too seriously, it is more that these forums always head the wrong directionn lately. It is like the crap that riggse always throws in, like this time about Massengil,what is that for. I just get sick of subjects vering off into nothing. Riggse has to start forums that he will not refer to gays...what is up with that. Understood it is a public forum....there is definetely bike related issues concerning eating habits and I enjoy hearing about them...just finally let other peoples miniscule comments get to me and had to jump in with Yeti. Can we move on back to bikes. Word Oh ya J-dub is gonna get slung at the Soul Ride,,hehe(punk-arse)
    Wow - I missed a hell of a lot today, you kids have been carrying on quite a bit, and someone is going to get their feelings hurt before long.

    Anyways, "Scanjok", sorry you missed the humor in the Massengill picture. Let me explain. See, it was funny because it was next to a picture of a paper bag, which = "douchebag". I mistakenly thought everyone would know that Massengill was a brand of douche, but since I can tell you're uptight and offended by the g@y reference, it makes sense to me now why you didn't get it. Sorry, I'll try to explain it slower next time, or maybe I'll include a little footnote for you with a definition.

    Anyways, back to this post. It was an honest question, I was curious about people here in AZ that lead a vegan or vegetarian lifestyle and are mountain bikers. Butocabra said it best, you didn't have to open it, it wasn't a misleading title. This was meant to be serious, but yes, once again, it veered off topic. I don't know how Star Trek got mixed up in this, but since I don't want Paul to shoot me with his lazer I'll let it go.

    And the reason I started this post off with the "won't call anyone g@y comment" is a reference to a post from a few weeks ago where I called the Honda Element a "g@y" vehicle and never heard the end of it. So that was a joke too.

    And by the way, I didn't just move here, I've lived here for the past 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZClydesdale
    There goes Riggse again. Making friends where-ever he goes, even when he's not online!
    Back in New York we call this a sack (...as if any of you give a $hit).
    well goddammit for once i started a serious post and a few douchebags aren't smart enough to read the title before they get engrossed in it...and then feel the need to b*tch about it because they wasted their time reading a thread that wouldn't appeal to them anyways.

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    i eat vegetarian snacks mid bike ride. anyone have a problem with that?

    you guys sure get your shorts in a bunch on rainy days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZtortoise
    you guys sure get your shorts in a bunch on rainy days
    Haha - This was definately a Rainy Day Thread. Good thing the weekend is almost here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    well goddammit for once i started a serious post and a few douchebags aren't smart enough to read the title before they get engrossed in it...and then feel the need to b*tch about it because they wasted their time reading a thread that wouldn't appeal to them anyways.
    That is the problem. No more serious posts please, freaking vegan, or is it Vulcan? Ah, whatever. Did I mention that I am a very good looking fella?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    That is the problem. No more serious posts please, freaking vegan, or is it Vulcan? Ah, whatever. Did I mention that I am a very good looking fella?
    I don't understand why I can't be serious. Everyone else can either pile on and be smarta$$es, and then be serious on the next thread, but not me. I just don't get it.

    It ain't vulcan, but can't quite say I'm all the way vegan either. More like vegetarian....

    Yeah, you mentioned it, it must be the pointy ears...

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    I've decided I'm gonna become a Vulcanarian -- I'm only gonna eat Vulcans and Vulcan by-products.

    p.

    avoiding any lewd references to the Vulcan hottie on Enterprise, or pre-Krispy Kreme Kirstie Alley from Wrath of Khan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B
    I've decided I'm gonna become a Vulcanarian -- I'm only gonna eat Vulcans and Vulcan by-products.

    p.

    avoiding any lewd references to the Vulcan hottie on Enterprise, or pre-Krispy Kreme Kirstie Alley from Wrath of Khan.
    LOL. I would become a Vulcanarian if it meant I could taste some T'Pol - http://www.celebritymoviearchive.com...movie.php/9161. Sorry, had to do it. Call me a disgusting a$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    LOL. I would become a Vulcanarian if it meant I could taste some T'Pol. Sorry, had to do it. Call me a disgusting a$$.


    rhanks for making a big joke out of my honest questions.....

    dix....

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    rhanks for making a big joke out of my honest questions.....

    dix....

    :-)
    Riggse, read the whole thing again. Here is my first respomse.

    "Years back, when I was racing raod with the U of A, I was a vegetarian for about 2 years and close to, but not quite, a vegan. Small amounts of fish and fowl now and then, no cheese, dairy, ect. It sucked, was hard and I never liked it, but I felt great.

    I am looking to drop 20 pounds of lard from my body these days. Planning to get back to my modified Zone regime..."

    Adjust your mirror before cleaning my glasshouse, or whatever the saying is. Vegan man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    Riggse, read the whole thing again. Here is my first respomse.

    "Years back, when I was racing raod with the U of A, I was a vegetarian for about 2 years and close to, but not quite, a vegan. Small amounts of fish and fowl now and then, no cheese, dairy, ect. It sucked, was hard and I never liked it, but I felt great.

    I am looking to drop 20 pounds of lard from my body these days. Planning to get back to my modified Zone regime..."

    Adjust your mirror before cleaning my glasshouse, or whatever the saying is. Vegan man.
    I've read it lots....I was only kidding about making a joke of it....

    You guys just can't get a handle on my sense of humor...

    Thank you to all that responded...this was fun and enlightening....

    Except for Scanjok's idiocy...and those who jumped on his bandwagon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by riggse
    I've read it lots....I was only kidding about making a joke of it....

    You guys just can't get a handle on my sense of humor...

    Thank you to all that responded...this was fun and enlightening....

    Except for Scanjok's idiocy...and those who jumped on his bandwagon....
    I am only kidding too, except the part about you being way too series. No wait, what did I just say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirdir
    I am only kidding too, except the part about you being way too series. No wait, what did I just say?
    well, aren't we all just a bunch of comedians....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Srexy
    Enough
    no...

    start a new thread if you want something else to talk about

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    Common Sense?

    I equate common sense with basic survival instincts, as well as the ability to care for one's self, and basic life skills. Therefore, common sense is on the endangered species list! Trust me I work to help people that Darwanism would screen out. "I have had this cold for five days and its really keeping me up at night. Can't you guys just give me something to make it better?" (Exact quote at 3 in the morning)
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