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    Any New and Exciting System Trails Under Construction?

    There hasn’t been much talk lately of new Arizona mountain biking trails that might interest some of us MTBR viewers? Just curious if there are any new trails being constructed that some of us might enjoy riding in the near or not too distant future? It sure would be nice have a new flow trail with lots of natural features to up the enjoyment factor or maybe a well thought out downhill trail with lots of drops and jumps to give Cosmic Ray something new for his next Fat Tire trail guide.
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    join Gravity Riders Organization Of Arizona to get in on the fun! They have some stuff in the works that sounds like it's up your alley

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    With the exception of the city loop trail everything appears to be on hold in Flagstaff as the forest initiative gets underway.
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    There's DH and some new XC trails in the White Mtns.

    Been here.....?

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    There is a pretty active group in the west valley, adding on to FINS in Goodyear. A whole new series of trails (more XCish) has been made.
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    How about the new ones out here? Trails - City of Prescott, Arizona

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    Anyone got some videos of the new stuff.

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    Pine, AZ is actively building new trails up on the Mogollon Rim

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    More rerouting of the Pima & Dynamite trails wil be occuring this fall.

    Future expansion of the Black Canyon trail system after the NEPA is completed. More loops!

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    Are any of the new trails being mentioned system flow type trails with lots of natural features to up the cool factor? Something with a 1,500' plus decent over a three plus mile distance would be cool. How about a well thought out system DH trail that has drops, jumps, berms and gaps to make a somewhat normal day of riding to a higher level?

    At the recent Sedona Trails Planning meetings we have been sharing trail concepts between the attendees. We have over 100 concepts on the drawing board and I don't think any of them are flow or DH, so it will be nice if other AZ locations can come up with something more exciting.

    Please share your videos of the new system trails built this year.

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    I've been building trail here in AK with a trail crew. It's awesome, huge doubles and table tops, huge berms, ride-arounds, and it's all just a couple min from most locations in the city. It's refreshing to see people putting in trails with some actual vision and passion, rather than just a new mediocre multi-use trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I've been building trail here in AK with a trail crew. It's awesome, huge doubles and table tops, huge berms, ride-arounds, and it's all just a couple min from most locations in the city. It's refreshing to see people putting in trails with some actual vision and passion, rather than just a new mediocre multi-use trail.
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    It's good to here you are enjoying your new trail building environment, but we are somewhat off subject because I believe you are in Alaska not Arizona.

    The posting of this thread is to try and find out what new Arizona system Flow or DH trails have been built in the last year or are on the drawing board to be built in the near future.

    If you were to show us a video of the trail that you are working on maybe those features you mentioned could be incorporated into the trails some of the MTBR trail builders envision on their new trail dream.

    How long does it take to get a new trail approved in the great state of Alaska?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    Are any of the new trails being mentioned system flow type trails with lots of natural features to up the cool factor? Something with a 1,500' plus decent over a three plus mile distance would be cool. How about a well thought out system DH trail that has drops, jumps, berms and gaps to make a somewhat normal day of riding to a higher level?
    Sure got some specific specs, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhxChem View Post
    Sure got some specific specs, huh?
    Not sure what your question is, but my specs were meant to give viewers an idea of the type of trail, I think would provide an exciting riding experience.

    Epicrider mentioned some new trail additions going on at Black Canyon. I am sure those trails meet the needs of a large percentage of the mountain bike community and the terrain is very scenic, but for some people like myself, I would like something new with a higher fun factor.

    Arizona is a big state and I was just hoping that a new system flow or DH type trail had been built, so I don't have to drive to another state to get that kind of riding experience. Maybe there aren't enough riders interested in those types of trails, so the chances of them ever getting built is much less than a huge Black Canyon trail network.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    Not sure what your question is, but my specs were meant to give viewers an idea of the type of trail, I think would provide an exciting riding experience.

    Epicrider mentioned some new trail additions going on at Black Canyon. I am sure those trails meet the needs of a large percentage of the mountain bike community and the terrain is very scenic, but for some people like myself, I would like something new with a higher fun factor.

    Arizona is a big state and I was just hoping that a new system flow or DH type trail had been built, so I don't have to drive to another state to get that kind of riding experience. Maybe there aren't enough riders interested in those types of trails, so the chances of them ever getting built is much less than a huge Black Canyon trail network.
    For what its worth, I have heard that they are planning on building a "Bike Park" area out at the McDowell Mountains. But, you seem like someone with a hidden agenda of some sort, and I get the feeling that nothing would make you happy. You may just want to go to another state as you suggested. For me, this state has TONS of GREAT trails anywhere from 0-150 miles from my front door. I really could not imagine EXPECTING any more. I just try to respect other trail users, and the trails, volunteer for trail days as much as possible and most importantly enjoy riding my bike.

    Not really interested in Sedrama. I have never ridden there, had wanted to, but the tone of messages about that place has really turned me off to even wanting to try it. I have replaced my interest in riding in Sedona with checking out the trails in Prescott, the pictures/video's I have seen of them look amazing.

    Good luck in your search to find the perfect trail system for you.

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    Flagstaff is sorely lacking in the type of trails that Renegademtnbiker is referring too. At least none that were sanctioned by the land manager to build.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider View Post
    More rerouting of the Pima & Dynamite trails wil be occuring this fall.

    Future expansion of the Black Canyon trail system after the NEPA is completed. More loops!
    Dale, is the Copper Mountain Loop still awaiting completion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Flagstaff is sorely lacking in the type of trails that Renegademtnbiker is referring too. At least none that were sanctioned by the land manager to build.
    Rockman:

    Thanks for you input on the situation going on in Flag. As you stated previously the Flagstaff landmanagers have a lot going on in that area. So more than likely the possible new system flow and DH trails are going to be low priorities for at least several years or until all the land preservation issues get taken care of. So that leaves the trail builders in the rest of the state to possibly come up with a fresh new exciting system trail idea.

    Those types of trails do not traditionally come from land managers who are busy working on so many other important projects. Those trails typically come from patient creative passionate mountain bikers who have learned the long term goal is worth waiting for.

    In Moab the leaders of the recent new system mountain biking trails are actually hikers not mountain bikers. Since they are passionate folks who's obsession is well marked trails, they were able to hook up with the mountain biking crowd to get the heavy lifting done to produce not of new trails. Who knows maybe the same thing could happen in Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    Rockman:

    Thanks for you input on the situation going on in Flag. As you stated previously the Flagstaff landmanagers have a lot going on in that area. So more than likely the possible new system flow and DH trails are going to be low priorities for at least several years or until all the land preservation issues get taken care of. So that leaves the trail builders in the rest of the state to possibly come up with a fresh new exciting system trail idea.

    Those types of trails do not traditionally come from land managers who are busy working on so many other important projects. Those trails typically come from patient creative passionate mountain bikers who have learned the long term goal is worth waiting for.

    In Moab the leaders of the recent new system mountain biking trails are actually hikers not mountain bikers. Since they are passionate folks who's obsession is well marked trails, they were able to hook up with the mountain biking crowd to get the heavy lifting done to produce not of new trails. Who knows maybe the same thing could happen in Arizona.
    Moab's Captain Ahab is the perfect example of what I would like to see more of in the state. It's a one-way flow trail that utilizes natural features instead of something you might find at Keystone or resort parks with bermed corners, built stunts, and jumps and trannies. Alas, tomahawk was a good example of this new type of trail flavor but it now lives only in memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    Rockman:

    Thanks for you input on the situation going on in Flag. As you stated previously the Flagstaff landmanagers have a lot going on in that area. So more than likely the possible new system flow and DH trails are going to be low priorities for at least several years or until all the land preservation issues get taken care of. So that leaves the trail builders in the rest of the state to possibly come up with a fresh new exciting system trail idea.

    Those types of trails do not traditionally come from land managers who are busy working on so many other important projects. Those trails typically come from patient creative passionate mountain bikers who have learned the long term goal is worth waiting for.

    In Moab the leaders of the recent new system mountain biking trails are actually hikers not mountain bikers. Since they are passionate folks who's obsession is well marked trails, they were able to hook up with the mountain biking crowd to get the heavy lifting done to produce not of new trails. Who knows maybe the same thing could happen in Arizona.
    It's actually all in the works, stay tuned for updates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    It's actually all in the works, stay tuned for updates.
    Good, I was starting to lose hope. Could just be unfounded rumor but the word on the streets is the trail runners are tool'n their own trails on Dry Lakes. Meanwhile the patient mtn bike community continues to wait.

    And I heard it directly from the Snowbowl general manager's mouth last week that the main reason they are not building trails within the ski area boundary is because the FS put the kibosh on it. He's not against the idea and insisted that it was part of the expansion plan and EIS but the FS took it out. Perhaps he speaketh with forked tongue but it's hard to know what to believe sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockman View Post
    Good, I was starting to lose hope. Could just be unfounded rumor but the word on the streets is the trail runners are tool'n their own trails on Dry Lakes. Meanwhile the patient mtn bike community continues to wait.

    And I heard it directly from the Snowbowl general manager's mouth last week that the main reason they are not building trails within the ski area boundary is because the FS put the kibosh on it. He's not against the idea and insisted that it was part of the expansion plan and EIS but the FS took it out. Perhaps he speaketh with forked tongue but it's hard to know what to believe sometimes.
    I think the gm is giving us the run around on that one. The FS as I have understood it is all about trails at the Bowl it's actually the gm that is uninterested, or at least that is the impression I have gotten. MEDL? It's taking longer than I had hoped but it's for good reasons I have been told, details are being worked out and they are good ones that will benefit us in the long run. I guess we shall see......

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    I think the gm is giving us the run around on that one. The FS as I have understood it is all about trails at the Bowl it's actually the gm that is uninterested, or at least that is the impression I have gotten. MEDL? It's taking longer than I had hoped but it's for good reasons I have been told, details are being worked out and they are good ones that will benefit us in the long run. I guess we shall see......
    For those passionate FLOW types this is how a new four mile trail is being born ( Soquel Demo Forest | Mountain Bikers of Santa Cruz (MBOSC) ). Seems like a group of dedicated trail builders could follow this example and make it happen in their area.

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    Pine, USA....... Help!!! we need some strong backs to reinforce our numbers. Currently have approx. 3.5-4.0 miles built. The ACE crew begins next week full time. Hoping to have the whole part of phase one complete by spring...... 16ish miles of sweet singletrack..... not dumbed down but still sustainable.... check out the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website for upcoming work days... Also ...... needed ..... experienced gravity trail builder to spearhead to development of Trail 608... the forest service has given us the green light on developing a downhill... shuttle ready ... trail . This trail is currently used by quads ..... we will be placing barriers on each end to prevent them from using this trail (currently no motorized vehicles can use it but they keep removing our signs). The vision is for a downhill (gravity) specific trail with multiple lines.. the trail can be built with any natural materials found in forest .... This trail will connect to the Bearfoot Trail of which I spoke earlier. Trail 608 is approx. 2 miles long and drops about 1500' off of the Mogollon Rim. The southern terminus is just south of Strawberry, AZ. Please contact Mike or Janet Brandt if you are interested in leading this event. You may contact them through the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website. Trail 608 can be ridden now if anyone would like to check it out..... with a little work this could be a one of a kind trail for AZ. Please quit your job today and come up and help make Pine, AZ a mountain bike destination.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90minIPA View Post
    Pine, USA....... Help!!! we need some strong backs to reinforce our numbers. Currently have approx. 3.5-4.0 miles built. The ACE crew begins next week full time. Hoping to have the whole part of phase one complete by spring...... 16ish miles of sweet singletrack..... not dumbed down but still sustainable.... check out the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website for upcoming work days... Also ...... needed ..... experienced gravity trail builder to spearhead to development of Trail 608... the forest service has given us the green light on developing a downhill... shuttle ready ... trail . This trail is currently used by quads ..... we will be placing barriers on each end to prevent them from using this trail (currently no motorized vehicles can use it but they keep removing our signs). The vision is for a downhill (gravity) specific trail with multiple lines.. the trail can be built with any natural materials found in forest .... This trail will connect to the Bearfoot Trail of which I spoke earlier. Trail 608 is approx. 2 miles long and drops about 1500' off of the Mogollon Rim. The southern terminus is just south of Strawberry, AZ. Please contact Mike or Janet Brandt if you are interested in leading this event. You may contact them through the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website. Trail 608 can be ridden now if anyone would like to check it out..... with a little work this could be a one of a kind trail for AZ. Please quit your job today and come up and help make Pine, AZ a mountain bike destination.............
    That's awesome. Just curious but where did the funding come from for the ACE crew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chalkpaw View Post
    That's awesome! Where is extreme Josh?
    I hear he is very busy parenting, working like a dog, and trying to sneak a ride in here and there when he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90minIPA View Post
    Pine, USA....... Help!!! we need some strong backs to reinforce our numbers. Currently have approx. 3.5-4.0 miles built. The ACE crew begins next week full time. Hoping to have the whole part of phase one complete by spring...... 16ish miles of sweet singletrack..... not dumbed down but still sustainable.... check out the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website for upcoming work days... Also ...... needed ..... experienced gravity trail builder to spearhead to development of Trail 608... the forest service has given us the green light on developing a downhill... shuttle ready ... trail . This trail is currently used by quads ..... we will be placing barriers on each end to prevent them from using this trail (currently no motorized vehicles can use it but they keep removing our signs). The vision is for a downhill (gravity) specific trail with multiple lines.. the trail can be built with any natural materials found in forest .... This trail will connect to the Bearfoot Trail of which I spoke earlier. Trail 608 is approx. 2 miles long and drops about 1500' off of the Mogollon Rim. The southern terminus is just south of Strawberry, AZ. Please contact Mike or Janet Brandt if you are interested in leading this event. You may contact them through the Pine-Strawberry Fuel Reduction website. Trail 608 can be ridden now if anyone would like to check it out..... with a little work this could be a one of a kind trail for AZ. Please quit your job today and come up and help make Pine, AZ a mountain bike destination.............
    Quit my job? I'm in if there is any pay involved. I can't walk away from my obligations but I could make it happen if I was compensated a little for my efforts.

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    A few questions 90minIPA, What is the forest like around the trail, lots of large rocks to use and if using wood can you take down live green trees using chainsaws? Can you use spikes and nails/screws for any woodwork? Creating stable long lasting features can be difficult especially in our ponderosa forests.

    Also, does the trail have natural grade dips that allow water to escape the tread? Any features built into steep trails that do not shed water will quickly become eroded and unusable.

    I'm interested but it needs to be something that would actually work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raisingarizona View Post
    A few questions 90minIPA, What is the forest like around the trail, lots of large rocks to use and if using wood can you take down live green trees using chainsaws? Can you use spikes and nails/screws for any woodwork? Creating stable long lasting features can be difficult especially in our ponderosa forests.

    Also, does the trail have natural grade dips that allow water to escape the tread? Any features built into steep trails that do not shed water will quickly become eroded and unusable.

    I'm interested but it needs to be something that would actually work.
    I think this is what the terrain ( Pine Trail June 2013 #2 - YouTube ) looks like in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RenegadeMtnBiker View Post
    I think this is what the terrain ( Pine Trail June 2013 #2 - YouTube ) looks like in that area.
    Looks cool!

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    Raising Az --- The best thing to do would be to come up and we could ride the existing trail to see if it is something you'd be interested in doing .... step two would be to develop a concept then meet with the forest service rep. to see if it would meet their criteria. Sustainability, I'm sure, would be one of the factors involved in development. I really think this could be a game changer ..... I haven't heard of any forest service group interested in building downhill trails .... email me at
    90minuteipa4@gmail.com if you are ever interested in checking this out.... you can also check out the new trail we are building which connects to the proposed downhill run.............

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    Yes, we plan to get back out there this season to work on completing the Copper Mountain Loop. BLM does not have nay funds this year to hire crews, so completing the Copper Mtn loop will depend on how many volunteers we get to work on it. Stay tuned for announcements.

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    Dale, is the Copper Mountain Loop still awaiting completion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epicrider View Post
    Yes, we plan to get back out there this season to work on completing the Copper Mountain Loop. BLM does not have nay funds this year to hire crews, so completing the Copper Mtn loop will depend on how many volunteers we get to work on it. Stay tuned for announcements.
    Does anyone have a gpx or kmz file of all the current and proposed trails in the Pine area being discussed? It would be nice to use Google Earth to view the proposed downhill site.

    It's nice that the Forest Service can move on this project so quickly, if the trail is routed sustainably and the work is done by passionate hard working volunteers.

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    watch the video ... visit Pine-strawberry fuel reduction website for trail work days... or come up and I'll show you around

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    Quote Originally Posted by 90minIPA View Post
    Raising Az --- The best thing to do would be to come up and we could ride the existing trail to see if it is something you'd be interested in doing .... step two would be to develop a concept then meet with the forest service rep. to see if it would meet their criteria. Sustainability, I'm sure, would be one of the factors involved in development. I really think this could be a game changer ..... I haven't heard of any forest service group interested in building downhill trails .... email me at
    90minuteipa4@gmail.com if you are ever interested in checking this out.... you can also check out the new trail we are building which connects to the proposed downhill run.............
    Ok, Will do. Thanks!

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    What direction are the DH, Pine and Bearfoot trails in relation to the Fire Mountain Loop? I Googled on Pine, AZ mountain bike trails and basically came up with zip. I want to come for a visit with my girl friend, but I would like to get a feel of the terrain before investing the time to drive to the area.

    The video of the race course trail showed a lot of fall line sections that hopefully weren't built by the mountain bike community.
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    Re: Any New and Exciting System Trails Under Construction?

    Don't think you'll find the new barefoot trail in any maps yet. You can access the trail about two tenths north of strawberry hollow on the east side of highway 87 Email
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