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    AES Aspen Asphyxiation 2013 - May 11

    The day before Mom's day, we'll all suffer like dogs in the thin air racing against our friends for nothing but bragging rights. It won't cost you $110 entry fee nor will you have to ride only dirt roads...You won't get any fancy buckle or beer glass. If you want, I'm sure someone will give you a hug if you're into that kind of thing. You will need to bring a lawn chair and some beer so we can share stories afterwards.
    Sign up here...5 Aspen Asphyxiation | Arizona Endurance Series
    Course is 68 miles, 7800ft. Get it here, it is called "AAV1.gpx": https://drive.google.com/?tab=wo&aut...TdOdzAtMjQ5cTg
    Note that the course is different that last year! But the start time and location will be the same as last year... 7:30am on Saturday, May 11, 2013, Safeway near Buffalo Park – 1490 East Cedar Avenue, Flagstaff, AZ 86004
    Note that gpx file has waypoints for race start and end as well as water (as we cross Hwy 89). If there are questions, feel free to send me a note..
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    68 MTB would be my longest MTB ride ever! after BCT N2S.

    Would love to say I'm IN but previous plans seem to be saying otherwise.

    Have fun everybody, and come on, can't you jokers at least make some AES pint glasses?
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    Hey, we've got jerseys! We don't need no stinking glasses! Bought mine so that it fits euro-tight because JeffZ likes my rippling pectorals.
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    I am having an issue with gpx files for some reason. I am local and very familiar with all the trails in flag.

    Could someone be so kind as to post a very general verbal description of the course while I sort this crap out on my end?
    No need to be precise, just general trail names in succession and I will figure it out. Thanks.

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    SG...basically we are gonna do a neutral roll up through buff park, easy oldham to Mt Elden Rd. Then the race will start....we'll go up Elden, take the sunset connector, through hobbit forest, down upper brookbank west along secret, west secret (not sure what it's called) then it turns south, across the pipeline and then hits rocky moto where we'll go west over till it hits the AZT, then connect up to SB road, climb the road to aspen corner, drop down to the AZT there, down the AZT all the way to Schultz Pass, then AZT EQ bypass all the way east, back through walnut canyon, by fisher pt, and back to flag. Time stops where FUTS hits lone tree.
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    Thanks. Interesting choice of routes to say the least...

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    Looking forward to my second AA meeting. There's a good chance I'll fall right back off of the wagon concluding the race though...

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    now I HAVE to show - just to slap you upside the head.

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    2013 - Aspen Asphyxiation Course Map

    I am curious to see if this works...

    A map of the course has been created using the provided GPX file. If you want to view the map, go to:

    ArcGIS Online

    click "sign in"

    On the sign-in page, enter, "2013 - Aspen Asphyxiation" into the search bar on the top of the page (don't actually attempt to sign-in unless you want to sign-up for a free account).

    A link to the map should appear and be accessible to everyone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by singletracmind View Post
    I am curious to see if this works...

    A map of the course has been created using the provided GPX file. If you want to view the map, go to:

    ArcGIS Online

    click "sign in"

    On the sign-in page, enter, "2013 - Aspen Asphyxiation" into the search bar on the top of the page (don't actually attempt to sign-in unless you want to sign-up for a free account).

    A link to the map should appear and be accessible to everyone...
    It worked really well...cool!
    Ride more; post less...

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    That's an awesome map! Thanks!
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    I was up riding some of the course this morning. It definitely has a little bit of everything. Long climbs that'll favor the climbers, big boulder drops and chunky rock gardens for the tech savy, fast flowy xc stuff, a little HAB for fun, and great views. Bring your endurance...the first half of the ride has all the climbing and if you burn your matches there, the walnut canyon loop will seem like you've gone all the way to New Mexico and back.
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    I can't get that GPX to open in garmin connect. Weird, cuz all other Ray's gpx's worked just fine.

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    How do I sign up? I didn't see a spot on the AES website, and that route looks like an absolute blast.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Bring your endurance...the first half of the ride has all the climbing and if you burn your matches there, the walnut canyon loop will seem like you've gone all the way to New Mexico and back.
    Been there. Done that...ouchie...

    Of course, I only have one match so...
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    BirdSS...go here...sign up is on that page. 5 Aspen Asphyxiation | Arizona Endurance Series
    Bart, I'll send you a file via email and see if that works.
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    Kind of similar to that ArcGIS, I've been happily using GPSies.com for years, here it is on that site.

    Mountainbike-Tour Flagstaff | 2013 - Aspen Asphyxiation | GPSies

    Check it out, good stuff.
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    Very cool Randy! Especially the flyover.

    I noticed that the 2 mistakes I made while riding the southern portion were on that track too (on the AZT).

    1)Making a left after the wooden bridge instead of the hard right
    2)Missin the fence entrance into the singletrack 100 yards down that private road...
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    Hey Noel,
    I've created a map that I'll send out that points out both of those easy to miss areas....
    Thanks man!
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    Man I would love to this, as I still got the high from whiskey.

    But I have an embarrassing confession to make....






    I never rode a bike in Flagstaff.

    I drove there. I hiked a bit. I skid in Snow Bowl. But my bike tires never touch that land.

    You guys throw these trail names around and it sounds like foreign language.


    I have my POS Garmin Edge 500 which I don't trust because it freezes up on me. That's if I get that gpx file to work.

    Is there a PDF map of at least some of those trails? I think Cosmic Ray's book has some of those trails hand drawn.

    Maybe if I can latch on to one of the riders that actually knows the area and see how long I can keep up before I loose the trail... and then hopefully make it back to the car.

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    Bart...no worries...I will be posting a map that will help a lot. And heck, you'll either be on my wheel or waiting for me. Come on up...it'll be a great time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalaficionado View Post
    Man I would love to this, as I still got the high from whiskey.

    But I have an embarrassing confession to make....






    I never rode a bike in Flagstaff.

    I drove there. I hiked a bit. I skid in Snow Bowl. But my bike tires never touch that land.

    You guys throw these trail names around and it sounds like foreign language.


    I have my POS Garmin Edge 500 which I don't trust because it freezes up on me. That's if I get that gpx file to work.

    Is there a PDF map of at least some of those trails? I think Cosmic Ray's book has some of those trails hand drawn.

    Maybe if I can latch on to one of the riders that actually knows the area and see how long I can keep up before I loose the trail... and then hopefully make it back to the car.
    I just finished making a .tcx file from the .gpx file that Ray provided. I was successful getting this file to load to my Garmin Edge 500 by copying it directly into the, "NewFiles" folder on the unit. After disconnecting from the computer, and restarting my GPS, the GARMIN startup screen was, "frozen" for approx. 5-minutes. Turns out it was converting the newly added .tcx file (I think to a .crs file...) and moving it to the "Courses" directory. At first I thought that I had messed-up the unit and was already researching how to do a hard reboot when everything turned around. This course is so large, it takes a while to convert and load.

    If you are having issues with your Edge 500 freezing, try going into the history and deleting all of your activities (doesn't erase the totals). Also, there are periodic updates available through Garmin's website:

    Garmin: Edge 500 Updates & Downloads

    Anyhow, if anyone is using a Garmin edge 500, 800 or something similar -- and they want this file -- PM me and I'll email it to you. I tried uploading it to the .gpx library that Ray created (and referenced above) but I was denied due to a permissions issues. Ray - I can email this file to you if you want to add it to the library.

    I'm going to try it out tomorrow to be sure that it works...

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    Quote Originally Posted by singletracmind View Post
    I just finished making a .tcx file from the .gpx file that Ray provided. I was successful getting this file to load to my Garmin Edge 500 by copying it directly into the, "NewFiles" folder on the unit. After disconnecting from the computer, and restarting my GPS, the GARMIN startup screen was, "frozen" for approx. 5-minutes. Turns out it was converting the newly added .tcx file (I think to a .crs file...) and moving it to the "Courses" directory. At first I thought that I had messed-up the unit and was already researching how to do a hard reboot when everything turned around. This course is so large, it takes a while to convert and load.

    If you are having issues with your Edge 500 freezing, try going into the history and deleting all of your activities (doesn't erase the totals). Also, there are periodic updates available through Garmin's website:

    Garmin: Edge 500 Updates & Downloads

    Anyhow, if anyone is using a Garmin edge 500, 800 or something similar -- and they want this file -- PM me and I'll email it to you. I tried uploading it to the .gpx library that Ray created (and referenced above) but I was denied due to a permissions issues. Ray - I can email this file to you if you want to add it to the library.

    I'm going to try it out tomorrow to be sure that it works...
    I got it ! Thanks that was helpful stuff. I usde Bike Route Toaster website to upload the gpx and convert it to tcx. Manually placed the tcx file in the NewFolder on my garmin. Turned it on and waited few minutes as it is automatically converted in to course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Bart...no worries...I will be posting a map that will help a lot. And heck, you'll either be on my wheel or waiting for me. Come on up...it'll be a great time.
    just leave me some breadcrumbs or leaky Stan's to follow

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    I had a chance to ride the course yesterday. I approached it as a casual ride, until about 3 PM, when I realized that it was time to push or it was going to get dark before I could get back to Buffalo Park (and my car).

    Total time: 11:14:27

    What an awesome course! The section from Aspen Corner down to Snowbowl Road is a scream. Watch out for fallen trees along this section...

    The section from 89 out towards Cosnino is really dry and the cinders are pretty deep and loose, especially between 89 and Rain Valley. Today's rains may have helped (hopefully there is more on the way)

    Navigating the course with my Garmin EDGE 500 worked fine. Every now and then I would get an "off course" alarm and have to back track a couple hundred feet to a missed turn/ trail. The right at the bottom of Twisted Sister (West Secret?) -- just past the pipeline -- is easy to miss, probably because most people go left at this point and the trail is more obvious in that direction.

    I'm going to be out of town this weekend and I won't be able to make the actual, "race." I can't wait to hear how you all did!

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    AES Aspen Asphyxiation 2013 - May 11

    Maybe I should start another thread but...
    I used to race XC years ago and drifted away from competitive biking to race motorcycles, start and close a business and start a family. Now I am working a steady career that keeps me in AZ mostly. I have been lusting after stories of bike camping and ultra endurance races/rides lately and wonder- what training/riding do I do to prepare myself? I am able to suffer with the best, love the mental challenge, but am not looking forward to a regimented training schedule akin to my XC racing days. Is it just long rides all the time or a couple shorties a week with a multi hour ride on weekends or what?


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    Thanks for giving the course a run! Yeah, I know the turn you're speaking of at the end of twisted sister and I've created a map (and cues) that point it out.
    How much of your total time was moving do you figure?
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    Map and Cues here (https://drive.google.com/?tab=mo&aut...TdOdzAtMjQ5cTg) contained in file called "AspenAshpyx2013Map&Cues"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybum View Post
    Thanks for giving the course a run! Yeah, I know the turn you're speaking of at the end of twisted sister and I've created a map (and cues) that point it out.
    How much of your total time was moving do you figure?
    I recorded the ride using Strava:

    Mountain Bike Ride Profile | Aspen Asphyxiation near Flagstaff | Times and Records | Strava

    My total moving time was: 8:15:31. Looking at the "performance analysis" and plotting time while looking at the map, it took me 18-minutes to ride from Lone Tree back to Buffalo Park. So, my moving time on the course (Buffalo Park to Lone Tree) was 7:57:31

    There was an hour (between 6.75 and 7.75) where strava shows me not moving. I was waiting for my buddy at the top of the AZ trail climb (between FS6275 and the Weathford Trail) and after waiting for approximately 20-minutes decided to ride down and look for him. I popped my GPS off and hid it behind a tree (I was trying to lay-down a clean track log of the course and didn't want to include this section) before riding down to NF6276 to look for him. Turns out that he had decided to bail down Shultz Creek... That added about 5-miles onto my ride that is not accounted for in the mileage but the timer was never stopped...

    The other breaks were spent munching food and BSing with my buds. This down-time early on definitely helped me to keep moving later in the day. I had lost my riding partners by mile 32 (my friends are a lot smarter than me) and I rode the last 1/2 with only a few short breaks.

    There is a way to upload other people's activities from Strava onto the Garmin Edge 500 to create course routes. I made a few wrong turns and got (slightly) off the route a few times. I was off-route a little bit at the beginning while trying to navigate "Easy Oldham" (there are a few paralleling trails in this section). I got off the AZT to go over to shultz tank (looking for my buddy), then got back onto the AZT EQ bypass (Little Elden Trail) via a slightly different route than what the course shows. I had stashed water just up from the Sandy Seep trailhead and took a little detour to resupply. So, this route is not exact and shouldn't be used for navigating the course.

    The ride was super fun though! What an awesome course. There is definitely a little bit of everything and a whole lot of single track.

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    Help! I lost my ride to Flag and I'm in the market for a driver. I'll buy your gas, wash your bike, pay for dinner, whatever you need...I'm your man if you can shuttle me there and back.

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    If this prognosis stays true, it's going to be a heavenly ride

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    This sounds like a great time in the making, have fun to those who can make it (unlike Randy & I). Enjoy!!

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    Second Annual Aspen Asphyxiation Race today was a big success... roughly 30 started, and about 10 fininshed. Lot's of DNF's due to navigational challenges. Time to create a page "Using a gps to follow a track"... Congrats to the finishers! Prelim results (finishers only) (time of day)(start time was 8:03AM)
    Aaron McCombs 2:01
    Ray Hemmele 3:13
    Mark Allen 3:48
    Carlos Resto 4:26
    Will Cobb 4:44:10
    Caroline Soong 4:44:20
    Bart Leyko 4:45
    Nick Skaggs 5:20
    Tim Claus 5:29
    Rich Dietzman 5:51
    Mike Kunneck 6:02
    Derek Baranczuk 6:10
    Tyler Williams 6:22
    Steve Boyle 6:36

    An about 20 DNF's....
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    Nice job, Ray! Not just riding it, but putting it together too.

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    It was a great day on a bike. Few pics from the adventure, featurning several of the finishers.

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    AES Aspen Asphyxiation 2013 - May 11

    You gotta be nuts to do a ride like that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by boomvader View Post
    You gotta be nuts to do a ride like that!
    Welcome to the insanity!! Bummed I missed it.
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    9 hours of riding and all I was thinking about was that Beer and Watermelon chilling in the cooler... that and Five Guys Burger.

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